Mexican Killed by El Paso Border Patrol on “Most Wanted” List
[Guest post by DRJ]
“A 15-year-old Mexican boy shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent was among El Paso’s most wanted juvenile immigrant smugglers, according to federal arrest records reviewed by The Associated Press.
The records show Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereca had been arrested at least four times since 2008 and twice in the same week in February 2009 on suspicion of smuggling illegal immigrants across the U.S.-Mexico border. Hernandez was repeatedly arrested along the U.S. side of the border near downtown El Paso, not far from where he was killed, but was never charged with a crime by federal prosecutors.
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The records show that in at least one case Hernandez was to be paid $50 a person for smuggling four people into the U.S.The records also show that in one case, federal prosecutors declined to charge Hernandez because there were no “extenuating circumstances or endangerment.”
No danger? I guess he was good at his profession.
Presumably those are the same prosecutors that charged Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.
H/T Dana.
— DRJ
How does getting arrested four times get you on the “most wanted list”. Being arrested should get you on the “most locked up list”.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/26/2010 @ 7:22 pmDon’t judge him. Don’t you dare judge him!
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/26/2010 @ 7:41 pmOur kinder and gentler border policy: Do It For The Children!
MU789 (959170) — 6/26/2010 @ 8:12 pmHave Blue,
I don’t understand it either. Apparently juvenile immigration crime is treated more like violating a Hall Pass.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 6/26/2010 @ 8:39 pmDRJ
Ramos and Compean were convicted in court by Americans and a mostly anglo jury after they testified that they had shot an unarmed man and left him for dead, and all the appellate courts apparently agreed with that Ramos and Compean were and still are convicted felons.
Whether this agent gets charged with murder or not has tet to be determined. Whatever the crimes of the 15 year old allegedly did – he’s dead – we could find out he was an Al Qaeda mastermind plotting to destroy Kansas – doesnt change what little facts we actually know about the case or the circumstances.
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/26/2010 @ 10:59 pminstead of “prosecutors” for illegal immigration, maybe we should try “Claymores” and see if that cuts the traffic.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 6/26/2010 @ 10:59 pmEric:
Here are the last names of the Ramos-Compean jurors (including alternates) according to the Trial Transcript (pp. 175-176): Smith, Flores, Paz, Torres, Valtierra, Acevedo, Rivera, Woods, Soliz, Flores, Chavira, Ghourley, Chavez, Armendariz-Reynolds. Are you sure this is a “mostly Anglo jury”?
Eric, I don’t think the jurors’ ethnicities had anything to do with their verdict but I’d like us to be accurate.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 6/26/2010 @ 11:15 pmNice one, DRJ! Let the wriggling begin! Teh Narrative is more important than pesky facts.
Eric Blair (02a138) — 6/26/2010 @ 11:33 pmDRJ – apparently you had not realised that all the folk that EPWJ knows who have those surnames are Anglos … Whodathunkit ?
Alasdair (54b49a) — 6/26/2010 @ 11:35 pmHe was just trying to feed his family.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 1:27 amDRJ
Given the fact that Hispanics and whites have intermarried for centuries in Texas and the rest of America – I can introduce you to Lopezes,Flores that have Blonde children – the Jury was described as mostly white – otherwise WDN and every other blog would have been all over it.
The main problem is that we are for the sake of a policy – allowing the police to use deadly force whenever they now feel like it without question.
I guess this might just might be a slightly bigger issue
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 2:56 amYou said “anglo jury”, Eric, not “guero”. Considering that neither Ramos nor Compean were Anglos, you had no point to begin with.
I wish you would just let me say all the stupid things in DRJ’s threads. 😉
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 3:10 amLove it, love it, lo-ove IT when nk is sarcastic like that!
“feed his family” . . . Stop it, you’re killing me! *hee hee*
Icy Texan (4c62c0) — 6/27/2010 @ 3:13 amEnter DRJ to apply the clue-by-four to the forehead.
Strangely, this does nothing to impede or change the thought processes of some commenters.
Tain’t nothin dense enough to do damage there.
NavyspyII (df615d) — 6/27/2010 @ 5:06 amDRJ @7 – Nice group of Anglo-Saxon names.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/27/2010 @ 5:37 am“Clue by 4” is brilliant!
Eric Blair (02a138) — 6/27/2010 @ 6:24 amI wished they would shoot every smuggler they come across no matter what the age. Those people are true scums.
As it is these people take major risk coming across with out some thug taking their money and in a lot of cases leaving them to die in the middle of nowhere.
bradnsa (4c9195) — 6/27/2010 @ 6:51 amVisual Explanation..
Any Questions?
TC (814db1) — 6/27/2010 @ 7:52 amRamos and Compean fired at a fleeing felon who they had every reason to believe was armed. Niether man thought they had hit him at all nevermind mortally wounding him, so no one was “left for dead.”
This plus the falsity of the “mostly anglo” jury means this comment has about as much truthful, thoughtful information as any EPWJ comment.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/27/2010 @ 9:12 ami.e., none to speak of.
Didn’t the troll EPWJ say he’d be off-air until some time in July?
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 6/27/2010 @ 9:51 amEric is not a troll. He has his own opinions on some things, that’s all. And if I had a nickel for every stupid thing I’ve said, I would not have to ask my wife’s permission to buy that 1200 hardtail Sportster.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 9:59 amA man may have his own opinions but not his own facts.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:10 amnot worry nk
ColonelHaiku (181d1a) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:17 amwife keep running tab you will
pay dearly in end
Heh! For Eric to challenge DRJ on the Ramos-Compean story …. That was simply … simply …. Nobody knows the Ramos-Compean case better than DRJ. Nobody.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:19 amknow all wives like that
ColonelHaiku (181d1a) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:19 amwhen wife orders you to jump
only ask “how high?”
not bill o’reilly?
ColonelHaiku (181d1a) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:22 amhe not know this case better?
nk bloviate
I don’t know how long you’ve been around here, Colonel, but DRJ made her bones on this site by going through every transcript of the Ramos-Compean trial. And then summarizing them for us. And then following the case in the Fifth Circuit appeal. And the commutation of sentence by Johnnie Sutton’s appointer.
(I don’t know what Mr. O’Reilly did, exactly, but I believe that at about the same time he was looking to experiment with “falafel” (sic) as an aid to the seduction of one of his employees.)
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:35 amType Ramos Compean in Patterico’s search engine on the sidebar.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:38 am“Eric is not a troll. He has his own opinions on some things, that’s all.”
nk – Having his own opinions is fine, but he has been proven to be a serial fabricator of facts. What does that make him?
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:40 amI could have sworn EPWJ told us he’d be gone for months.
Sadly not.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:42 amEric is not a troll. He has his own opinions on some things, that’s all.
I don’t know about the Troll part – after his assinine comments about “frog marching” O’Keefe to the Federal pen and having no stones whatsoever to admit he was wrong and then welching on his earlier bet says something quite Trollish about his actions.
Dmac (ab1849) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:44 amWell, yeah, it pissed me off, too, for him to be challenging DRJ on Ramos/Compean. He should have bothered to read a little.
But there are times when you guys don’t like me, either. 😉
You know what happened to the only perfect human being, right? I posted the Devil’s “transcript” of His Trial on another thread.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:44 amthe Jury was described as mostly white
So what? More importantly, if all the jurors instead happened to be Latino, but Latinos of a rightwing tilt — and therefore more likely to favor common sense instead of “I think with my heart” emotions — you’d probably shout “RACIST!! Reverse xenophobia!! I demand diversity!!”
Mark (411533) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:49 amThis is not an attack against ColonelHaiku.
But you guys, who were around when DRJ was slaving over thousands of pages of transcript, won’t you speak up along with me?
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 10:55 amCertainly, “DRJ made her bones” on the Ramos Compean trial is no exaggeration. EPWJ has a habit of making a false statement, and then doubling down when caught making stuff up.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:02 amDRJ
You are correct the ethnicities of the jury dont matter, even those of the defendent, and yes my comment was to see if people thought it was important or germain to the verdict in the case.
My point was
Ramos and Compean tried to murder an unarmed man, they were convicted of most of the counts – spared the attempted murder charge by the prosecution who never as far as I read, really pursued that charge during the trial.
Also the problem we have was at the instant that this R&C shooting occurred, there was no knowledge by the officers that QAD was
1. Not an American
2. Was doing anything illegal
3. Had a prior arrest
4. Was a drug smuggler
We have the same scenario in this latest shooting
the officer who shot the boy – (some reports say twice)
1. Did not know if the victim was an American
2. Was actually breaking the law
3. Was even in the group of boys he was chasing
4. Had any prior arrests
This officer fired upon nationals after approaching them – the video seemed to me to show him going toward and perhaps into mexican territory crouching partially and taking deliberate aim and firing several shots
Now this instance has nothing to do with border policy, politics, the issue of immigration nor the massive wave of illegals in America
To me this only has to do with this instance of this one officer, on camera and on the record – killing a boy and lying clearly about the circumstances
this has nothing also to do with the reputations and service of the 23018 BP agents who didnt manage to shoot a child that week in the service of their duties.
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:02 amEricpw, I didn’t see where the agent was charged with anything. Surely if the video was as conclusive as you say it was it would be a slam dunk case?
Bradnsa (980254) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:05 amGreat, we get to waste more time showing how many of EPWJ’s statements are false. In both the recent incident, where I already showed that EPWJ was making stuff in a previous thread, and in the Ramos Compean discussion.
Eric, again I ask you, what is your motivation for doing what you’ve been caught doing so often – making up stuff from whole cloth?
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:06 amBradnsa, EPWJ has already been caught making claims about what happened when he had not seen the cell phone video that he now falsely claims supports his inventions.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:07 amEric,
Aldrete had 740 pounds of stuff we did not know what it was in his truck until Ramos and Compean stopped him. Do you know how much a Davy Crockett
nuclear warhead weighs? 64 pounds. Divide 740 by 64.
The people who should have gone to prison are the prosecutors. Maybe the Shrub, too.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:10 amSPQR, that’s OK, I’m waiting for him to say the same people that charged and convicted R and C are now covering it up.
Bradnsa (980254) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:12 am“this has nothing also to do with the reputations and service of the 23018 BP agents who didnt manage to shoot a child that week in the service of their duties.”
EricPW – Are the others behind on their quotas?
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:12 amnk
I reads the transcripts – I actually on this blog was tipped for finding them –
DRJ looked at them with the hope that they would be acquitted – ignoring most of the damning evidence against them
I dont blame her, and anyone else who comes to the aide of law enforcement officers – its a HIGHLY patriotic and unselfish thing to do
Those two scumbags were not worthy of her efforts and hard work – they were criminals and still are
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:13 amDavy Crockett http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:13 amThat’s fine, Eric. You don’t insult DRJ and you won’t see any personal attacks from me.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:16 amEric, is that the part of the transcript that said they couldn’t say the “victim” was being charged for running drugs?
Bradnsa (980254) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:16 amnk
but you see, if you read the transcripts – they didnt know that
no one bothered to look in the van
they were rousting the guy and when Compean went to shotgun butt him in the face he ducked compean flipped over him – Vasquez (another officer laughed) and compean started shooting at least 14 rounds and Ramos fired at least one
again, if this is how we want officers to act then maybe we dont need that constitution after all
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:17 amEric, if that vid is as incriminating as you say it is, why hasn’t the agent been charged?
Bradnsa (980254) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:20 amnk
I didnt insult DRJ, just answered her point which was weak. This is a debate – in the spirit that she has her points and I have mine
Thats all,
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:21 amHe shouldn’t a run.
I really am a criminal defense attorney, liberal and libertarian when, and for the life of me, the only thing I can see Ramos and Compean doing wrong is having the deck staked against them in court. Bad prosecutor, bad judge, worthless defense attorney.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:22 amBradnsa
Whose to say if he’s not? The FBI is investigating last I heard.
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:23 amnk
you are wrong, remember compean confessed in WRITING to attempting to kill the guy
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:26 amEric, You were pretty conclusive saying he was “crouching partially and taking deliberate aim and firing several shots”.
Don’t you think a seasoned investigator could make the case rather quickly if it is as clear cut as you say it is?
Bradnsa (980254) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:26 amBradnsa
That was a statement by the US Border PAtrol Officials
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:35 amAnd here we go again:
You just cannot say you were thoughtless and wrong, can you? That’s why many people think you a troll.
DRJ making a weak point, when she demonstrated you didn’t even look up the names of the jurors? And then you continued to argue.
And you call her arguments weak? Classy, dude. Tres classy. I look at DRJ’s contributions. Then I look at yours.
Dude.
Eric Blair (02a138) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:36 am.
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:38 amAnd we thought you were traveling without computer and Internet access. Well, you said so.
Eric Blair (02a138) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:38 am“I didnt insult DRJ, just answered her point which was weak. This is a debate – in the spirit that she has her points and I have mine
Thats all,
Comment by EricPWJohnson”
OK, this is a debate, and many of the points you’ve made in this thread and others are simply wrong. So wrong that there’s no way you actually knew your points to be true. Maybe you were guessing, but you didn’t know that jury ws anglo. Why did you say things that aren’t true?
You do that often, and that’s why you lose debates. You lack credibility.
In fact, you routinely are caught simply lying.
You enter the thread telling us how much it matters that the jurors were anglo, and then when your racism is identified, you say “You are correct the ethnicities of the jury dont matter.” Oh, now they don’t matter when they are hispanic, but they did matter when they were white? You belong in Qatar or the UAW where those attitudes are not considered disgusting.
So you’re admitting that your premises do not matter. You lose the debate because you’re saying things that are logically invalid and untrue.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:41 amNo, Eric did not insult DRJ, otherwise I would not be talking to him. But when it comes to Ramos/Compean I believe her. Over everybody.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:41 amIf you say so, nk. But I have seen this character skirt the line many times.
Eric Blair (02a138) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:46 amI agree, Eric. Honest jury, stacked deck. Vicious prosecutor, bad judge, worthless defense attorney.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:46 amYou know … you just don’t want to go to court. It’s not hard to explain — just hard to understand.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:48 amHmmm. The Erics are melding in my LSD-corrupted mind. Let me step back and take a breath.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:54 am“Ramos and Compean were convicted in court by Americans and a mostly anglo jury after they testified that they had shot an unarmed man and left him for dead”
Wow. That’s an impressive colection of bald-faced lies.
Do you have to get training to do that, or is it an innate talent?
Dave Surls (5c81b6) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:56 amnk
I agree, dont go to court, but these guys and their fellow agents lied to federal investigators about the incident
The bridge shooting probably would also have passed until that video surfaced
makes one wonder
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:58 am“According to the testimony of seven other Border Patrol agents who arrived at the scene of the incident after the shooting, neither Compean nor Ramos mentioned that the driver who absconded had a gun, or that any agent’s life was in danger.”
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Read the transcripts, no one with a pulse in west texas and in that court room had any doubt that OAD was a drug dealer and was probably armed.
Comment by EricPWJohnson — 1/19/2009 @ 2:41 pm
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/27/2010 @ 11:59 amWon’t you please drop it, Eric?
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:00 pmThe bridge shooting probably would also have passed until that video surfaced
makes one wonder
Once again, EPWJ makes up stuff. The investigation started before the video “surfaced” and there is no sign that the video itself actually falsifies any of the BP officer’s version of events.
Typical of EPWJ, he then pretends something external makes him write speculation as fact.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:00 pmdaleyrocks, consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds … and of EPWJ.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:01 pmDave
So for me to be a liar
A Federal Judge would also and her staff be liars
An entire US Attoreys office be liars
An entire staff of the fifth district in Orleans would also be liars
And the supreme court as well
so, given that everyone are liars except the 2 felons who fired tried to beat an unarmed man then clips at the same UNIDENTIFIED and unarmed man and left him for dead, lied about it and covered it up and later confessed – then tried to make a magic gun appear – oh well
All for failing to yield to a vehicle and was not breaking any traffic laws
good point…..
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:03 pmOk, then.
nk (db4a41) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:05 pmEricPWJohnson, you are as Dave points out making up stuff again. Just one example, “… and left him for dead,”
What is it that motivates you to embellish reality to the point of making up stuff ? Does it make you feel more important? Or does it enable you to carry out your fantasies of being “in the know” compared to everyone else … even when you are definitely not?
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:06 pmMaybe you were guessing, but you didn’t know that jury ws anglo. Why did you say things that aren’t true?
Because that’s our boy, his pure MO. Still waiting for his admission of being spectacularly wrong regarding the O’Keefe prosecution (as well as so many others), and his promise to pay the bet if he lost.
Either admit you were wrong, wrong, wrong, or admit that you’re nothing more than a Troll. Quite simple, really.
Dmac (ab1849) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:09 pm71.Dave
“So for me to be a liar
A Federal Judge would also and her staff be liars
An entire US Attoreys office be liars
An entire staff of the fifth district in Orleans would also be liars
And the supreme court as well”
And…your point is?
😉
Dave Surls (5c81b6) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:13 pm“Ramos and Compean were convicted in court by Americans and a mostly anglo jury after they testified that they had shot an unarmed man”
EricPW – How does everyone know OAD was unarmed again, especially R&C at the time they fired shots?
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:20 pmsimmer down nk
ColonelHaiku (181d1a) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:30 pmo’reilly biggest buffoon
history fox news
you can call eric
ColonelHaiku (181d1a) — 6/27/2010 @ 12:32 pmpeewee you can call him e
don’t call him johnson
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Meanwhile, south of the border…
Mark (411533) — 6/27/2010 @ 8:26 pm