Dorothy Rabinowitz on Our “Alien” President
[Guest post by Jack Dunphy]
In today’s Wall Street Journal, Dorothy Rabinowitz captures in words what many have been inchoately sensing for some time. A sample:
A great part of America now understands that this president’s sense of identification lies elsewhere, and is in profound ways unlike theirs. He is hard put to sound convincingly like the leader of the nation, because he is, at heart and by instinct, the voice mainly of his ideological class. He is the alien in the White House, a matter having nothing to do with delusions about his birthplace cherished by the demented fringe.
Read the whole thing.
–Jack Dunphy
There is much truth in that article but boy howdy will irritate the Faithful Progressives!
Countdown to accusations of racism begin….
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:17 pmShe is so reliable a columnist that I read everything of hers I can find.
Mike K (82f374) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:17 pm20 years in that wacky church pretty much confirmed my view of him as an America hater.
That losers thought something other even then (a good man was the phrase) is testament to their poor judgment in spite of the facts.
… and if were just his bigoted, racist disgusting pastor and church — the voting record and his anti-Bush nonsense further proof to this feckless man who has no idea what right or wrong really are.
HeavenSent (a9126d) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:37 pmThe major hint that he is as Rabinowitz describes him, was furnished when he had his academic records sealed away from public discovery by court order. He knew very well that his identity and ideology and feelings were at odds with the general run of Americans, and bet that if his past could be concealed, his ultra-PC persona combined with the media-enhanced Bush-hatred of political activists would win him the office.
Sure enough, he got it. He may not get it again, regardless of Chicago politics with its thumb on the scales in his favor.
Insufficiently Sensitive (8906ed) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:44 pmBe careful, Dorothy… criticism of Him is not allowed and you will be called a racist by many.
50 plus days after the leak and Obama admits – with anger when sheepishness was more appropriate – that he’s looking for the right asses to kick. He isn’t a leader and he doesn’t have a clue that he has no clue about what true leadership requires.
Surrounded by academics who know nothing more about how to act to gain desired results than he does, I must again point out that it’s a recipe for disaster, and this isn’t the last one we’ll be afflicted with.
GeneralMalaise (a82382) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:47 pmHe’s never struck me as an American in any way, shape or form. You could say the same thing about his identity as someone from Chicago – not even close, he’s about as firmly from Chicago as I’m from Bangalore.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:53 pm“20 years in that wacky church pretty much confirmed my view of him as an America hater.
That losers thought something other even then (a good man was the phrase) is testament to their poor judgment in spite of the facts.”
I agree totally. Anyone that could excuse him sitting in that racist church for 20 years and one week say he couldn’t disown the guy more than his own grandmother, and the next week say “that is not the Rev. Wright I knew”; and excuse that, is mentally retarded or was willfully lying to themselves in order to “hope”.
Mr. Pink (bb8267) — 6/9/2010 @ 5:58 pmHe strikes me as being Wilsonian, contrasting with Bush’s Jacksonian persona.
htom (412a17) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:06 pmI saw this yesterday. She is always right on in my book. Don’t think she is too worried about being called Racist either.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:09 pm“He’s never struck me as an American in any way, shape or form.”
What does this mean, Dustin? What exactly?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:23 pmSorry, that question was for Dmac.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:23 pm11
It means he is a birther to you obviously Myron. Why ask him the question when you already have the answer firmly in your head?
Mr. Pink (bb8267) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:29 pmMr. Pink: You are not Dmac. He can speak for himself.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:30 pmStashiu – I thought the new site had a better filter.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:31 pmAnyone that sat in that church for more time than it took to hear “God damn America” is not American as this country has known it for over 200 years. I really do not think that is up for debate.
Mr. Pink (bb8267) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:38 pmRacists. Denounced and condemned. Proceed.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:40 pmJD: You share with Mr. Pink the condition of not being Dmac, who can speak for himself.
I’ll check in later to see if will elaborate on why the president never struck him as American.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:43 pmI never spoke to you Myron, so you can nicely go shove it. I need not your f*cking permission to comment.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:45 pmJD: Classy.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:47 pmOh I am sorry obviously Myron thinks that by saying “not American” you are referring to Obama not being one because all previous Presidents were white…or something…obviously we are all racists so why bother.
Mr. Pink (bb8267) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:48 pmWell, to me it means Dmac has an idea of what being American is that goes beyond citizenship. Someone who loves this country, grew up enjoying the idea of it and experiencing it, honors the Constitution, etc.
I admit, the concept is obsolete. We have very little of a nationalism. Some even condemn the idea of American nationalism.
Obama found a church that thought the CIA invented AIDS, gleefully remarked that 9/11 was what we deserved, hates Jews, and is generally quite racist. He named his book after its message and brainwashed his kids by being a member their entire lives and then some. Obama has a great relationship with a guy who wanted death camps for conservatives and was part of that terror group that blew up part of the US Capitol.
I think this is not possible for someone meeting the classical sense of what it means to really be American. I interpreted the ‘any shape or form’ to be puffery. I know all too well that there are many citizens of this country who are deeply unAmerican.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:50 pmI really do not care if a little salty language offends your oh-so-delicate sensibilities when you are being a typical arse. You leftist JournoList types have very little room to point fingers at others.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:52 pmI think, JD, that Myron is just looking for an ass to kick.
Ahem.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:53 pm“Obama found a church that thought the CIA invented AIDS”
“The white government of the US invented AIDS to kill minorities.” To paraphrase what the “good” Rev. Wright said in front of his entire congregation on video tapes which he sold because he was so proud of.
Mr. Pink (bb8267) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:54 pmReal classy, aren’t they, Eric?
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:55 pmAh, but see, JD, it’s different when Their Guy says it.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:56 pmThe Reverend Wright was a 9-11 style Truther before Trutherism was cool.
Mr. Pink (bb8267) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:57 pmDustin: Since I accidentally drew you into this, I’ll respond.
Just to clarify: You’re basing your entire opinion on whether Obama is an American, not on anything Obama has said or done, but on what his pastor said out of his presence?
Do you know much about the church or what it does in the community?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 6:59 pmAlso, Dustin, could you clarify this:
“I know all too well that there are many citizens of this country who are deeply unAmerican.”
Are you referring to anyone with liberal or leftist views?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:02 pmHe wasn’t there. Is that the best you have got, or did you just quit trying?
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:02 pmJD: I thought you weren’t talking to me? Am I going to have to order you off this thread?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:05 pmI am talking to you now, because you chose to run your mouth at me. I had said nothing to you until you sauntered in and did your normal routine of getting the vapors when someone uses language that does not meet with your approval. You apparently have no problem with dishonesty though. Interesting that salty language bothers you, but you appear to have no issue with basic dishonesty. You can order me to do whatever you wish, I can assure you that on the list of people that I take orders from, your name does not, and will not ever appear.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:13 pmJD: It’s not the language. I’m not a prude. It’s the lack of civility you show, for no good reason, just b/c someone disagrees with you.
I kind of haven’t done that since my teens. The rare times I’ve done it on this blog, I usually apologize after I’ve cooled off.
You don’t see me coming in here and doing a bunch of name-calling, because I don’t want to dialog that way.
I find it unsurprising that you don’t get any of this, based on your posts, but it’s nevertheless disappointing.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:19 pmOh, the lack of civility. See, that is a common meme tossed around by you and your ilk. Problem is that it does not hold water, as I have had many disagreements with our leftist friends on this very site and not once even considered speaking to them in the manner in which I speak towards those that act like you. I could care less if you agree with me, or vice versa. That is not my beef with you, and it is dishonest to assert that being my motivation. I find it unsurprising that you don’t understand any of this, based on your posts, and your ongoing disdain for basic honesty, but it’s nevertheless disappointing. Spare me your sanctimonious bullshit.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:23 pm“… [Obama] is, at heart and by instinct, the voice mainly of his ideological class.”
jim2 (fc7836) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:29 pmOn the contrary, your general boorishness and dishonesty regularly provide reason to treat you as the inane git that you are. Not only are you a dishonest idiot, you are just a plain old jackass as well.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:57 pmObama strikes many citizens as being quite alien because of the following:
– there has never been a POTUS that has continually bowed down to tin – pot dictators and every other head of state. The POTUS bows down to no one – that’s one of the founding tenets of this country’s origination.
– there has never been a POTUS that has actually sided with terrorist actions against the state of Israel.
– there has never been a POTUS that has used every occasion while traveling across the world to continually apologize for his country’s many (imagined and perceived) sins.
– there has never been a POTUS that claimed to be able to stop the seas from rising and also managing the world’s temparatures.
– there has never been a POTUS that has rammed through a bill that’s going to allow the government to directly control 1/6 of our total GNP, and has done so on a straight party – line vote.
– there has never been a POTUS that has attempted to ram through a bill of that magnitude using the process of budget reconciliation.
– there has never been a POTUS that claimed to be a devout church – goer to a house of worship that regularly ranted against his own country, then claimed to have never actually having heard the sermons themselves.
– there has never been a POTUS that didn’t release his college records and accompanying transcripts.
I could give at least ten more reasons why our POTUS strikes so many as being someone from another country (and another planet), but who wants to belabor the obvious?
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:59 pmEW1 was far more succinct than I.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 7:59 pmI was watching the Hawks allow the Flyers to tie up the series – winner at the last minute (damn it), hence the reason for my absence. I’m going back to watching overtime.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:01 pmEW: You’re just like JD. Silly name-calling. We don’t need two of you.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:06 pmUm. So much that could be said. But only yet more Clintonian parsing would result.
Eric Blair (e2121c) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:10 pmDMac: Thanks for responding. I will respond to your points individually in a sec. I’m right in the middle of a good chapter on a book about Jesse James.
Now, you’re aware that 5 of your 8 points would have been after Obama assumed office?
But recall you said:
“He’s NEVER (emphasis mine) struck me as an American in any way …”
So, clearly you knew about him before he took office, and thus you formed your opinion of him before the majority of the actions you now site as evidence that he’s not American.
So, I’m still wondering what did it for you? What was the main reason you concluded that he’s “not like the rest of us” Americans, and in fact is un-American?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:12 pmMyron, you didn’t ask me either. I think Obama has had a different upbringing that reduces his understanding of the Americans he purports to govern. He is a product of a combination of leftist and anti-American nurturing and a lack of real world experience. He has never had a real job. His way through college and law school was greased by mysterious people we don’t know. He does not ring true as an American.
John Kerry is a bit that way, too. He was raised in France by wealthy people but he had no family wealth so he married it. Kerry does not understand Americans either but he is not as strange as Obama. We have seen rich wastrels and gigolos before.
Mike K (82f374) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:18 pmHell, moron…we don’t need you at all.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:24 pmIt is no mystery that Dmac is from Chicago. Lots of us knew of Barcky before he became President. Hell, he acted like a Senator for at least 142 days.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:26 pmWho is this “we” he speaks of, EW1?
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:27 pmMyron and Obama’s “love” goes something like this ….
I Love You, You’re Perfect, Now Change
HeavenSent (a9126d) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:31 pmDorothy Rabinowitz captures in words
I’d have to disagree on the part of her essay where she writes…
All Americans? Some Americans? Most Americans? There are enough “goddamn America” liberals (or certainly ultra-liberals) in this nation to have necessitated a qualifier be added to the start of that sentence.
Nothing that the current occupant of the White House does can shock the left, unless he had an overnight epiphany and somehow latched onto more than a tiny ounce of common sense in his otherwise nonsensical brain.
Mark (411533) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:32 pmPlus, an American would have been able to answer who his favorite baseball player on his favorite baseball team.
He probably thinks Shoeless Joe Jackson is a distant cousin wronged by the man who needs a welfare check for footwear.
This Propeller Head has no clue.
HeavenSent (a9126d) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:34 pmMyron:
Heck, since everyone is responding, I will too.
President Obama is an American.
All Presidents make gaffes.
But a lot of Americans find him a bit odd in specific actions, vis-a-vis the Joe the Plumber incident, the events leading to the “beer summit,” the date night in New York, the unusual passage of the health-care legislation, the bowing bits, command of the oceans, interesting church choices, being a Chicago pol, being a community organizer, unwillingness to release college transcripts and the search for the proper ass to kick, among others.
None of these things make him not American. I’m sure he’s fulfilling your notions of the right kind of President for the nation.
But, please forgive us — after the unrelenting abuse heaped upon Presidents Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 — for our opinion that the man may not be the best for advancing the causes, policy and opinion a lot of people believe in.
Also:
Thanks for responding. I will respond to your points individually in a sec. I’m right in the middle of a good chapter on a book about Jesse James.
Have you read the part where he explains why he cheated on Sandra?
I haven’t had the chance to read it. I’m all caught up in The Globe right now.
Ag80 (1b8eea) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:43 pmOn the contrary. I think classic liberalism is essential to American-ness, which as I already said is sadly an obsolete concept. I shouldn’t put words in dmac’s mouth, of course, that was mostly humor, but there is this quaint idea that someone who could be part of an antisemitic racist hate group like the KKK or Rev Wright’s church, or befriend a domestic terrorist like Tim McVeigh or Bill Ayers, or marry someone who isn’t proud of anything American at all, … is unamerican.
I don’t think this means if you are a liberal democrat you’re unamerican. I think people who don’t love America are unamerican.
As best as I can tell, you’re having a hard time distinguishing the kind of person I’m describing from liberals. The reason I don’t bother pointing out they are different groups is because I found it obvious.
I think there are ‘conservatives’ who are unamerican too. People who hate our country. They aren’t as welcome in the GOP as haters are with democrats, I realize.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:45 pmmyron a moron
ColonelHaiku (a82382) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:46 pmit just trips right off the tongue
wonder why that is
Myron,
Here’s one reason why I think Obama is different: Traditional Americans don’t agree that “when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everyone.” As shown in that link, Obama’s discussion with Joe the Plumber illustrates a fundamental disagreement between people who believe the American dream is the opportunity to work and earn money, and those who believe American government owes everyone a basic living.
I know there are Americans who, like Obama, believe we should “spread” instead of “earn” wealth. But that isn’t what I consider the traditional view of America or the American dream.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:49 pm#44 JD:
I’m gonna go with “voices in ‘is haid,” for 200!
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/9/2010 @ 8:52 pmOne interesting thing: People who are called extreme right wingers are actually pretty dang liberal.
America is a classically liberal country. We have a view that all men are created with equal rights before the law (or some atheist rephrase of that same concept, of course). Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and Clarence Thomas think we have the freedom to worship however we want, freedom from unlawful searches, a right to a fair trial with a lawyer, etc. They are liberals. They are just more settled on what that means. A ‘status quo’ conservative in a country with great classical liberal values is going to be liberal too. That’s only a contradiction within the confines of poor political science theories.
These people have been called extreme right wingers for decades but we are all pretty liberal. At this point, we have a watered down fascism / socialism (yeah, I really feel that way) being pushed as though it’s from ‘liberalism’, and all who oppose it are called right wingers. It’s very Orwellian. Like the marketing term ‘progressive’. Just as the idea that republicans = status quo.
I think Obama recognizes many people share Dmac’s reaction. There’s a reason this master of politics is staying away from the open mike and the press conference as much as he can.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:00 pmOK, Dmac, as to your other points.
– there has never been a POTUS that has continually bowed down to tin – pot dictators and every other head of state. The POTUS bows down to no one – that’s one of the founding tenets of this country’s origination.
He’s bowed down to every other head of state? Of course that’s not true. You have a penchant for hyperbole.
But I do think on at least two occasions he bowed, or it could be interpreted that way, and yes, you’re correct that the U.S. president shouldn’t bow to anyone. I’m not thrilled that a U.S. president would walk around a garden holding hands with a head of state either, as Bush did. But does either action make the president in question un-American? Aren’t we really talking about, in Obama’s case, rookie errors? Can a man make a mistake? Or not?
– there has never been a POTUS that has actually sided with terrorist actions against the state of Israel.
This is clearly your (overheated) interpretation. If you’re referencing the flotilla incident, you do realize that the Israeli press has been harder on Israel than the White House has been? Is the Israeli press also siding with terrorists?
– there has never been a POTUS that has used every occasion while traveling across the world to continually apologize for his country’s many (imagined and perceived) sins.
Again, your overheated interpretation. Acknowledging the obvious fact that America is imperfect — like every other nation, or any institution made by man and not God — is not inherently un-American. One also has to consider that he followed an administration that left a lot of sore feelings worldwide. A diplomatic tone is not the devil.
– there has never been a POTUS that claimed to be able to stop the seas from rising and also managing the world’s temperatures.
I don’t know if this is true that no president has said he could stop the seas from rising. But let’s assume for the sake of argument it’s probably right! But to you, this inartful shorthand makes Obama un-American? If ego made a president un-American, we’ve had 43 of them who don’t love the country (except for Washington, who truly seemed to have no big ego).
– there has never been a POTUS that has rammed through a bill that’s going to allow the government to directly control 1/6 of our total GNP, and has done so on a straight party – line vote.
There have certainly been presidents who have tried to pass a health care bill. So, Obama is un-American because he succeeded? We should also bear in mind that of the previous efforts at a health care bill — FDR’s, Nixon’s, Clinton’s — Obama’s actually calls for the least government involvement. Most past efforts call for flat-out government takeover. Obama’s bill leaves private insurance intact, with no competing public option. It’s easily the most conservative bill compared to past efforts. Look it up. But maybe you also believe FDR, Nixon and Clinton are un-American. If so, at least you’d be consistent.
– there has never been a POTUS that has attempted to ram through a bill of that magnitude using the process of budget reconciliation.
Not only is this not true, but it’s disproved by the previous president. The Bush tax cuts were passed through reconciliation. Last I heard, the tab for them are topping $2 trillion and rising.
– there has never been a POTUS that claimed to be a devout church – goer to a house of worship that regularly ranted against his own country, then claimed to have never actually having heard the sermons themselves.
Is President Obama the first president to ever be elected who had questionable connections?
– there has never been a POTUS that didn’t release his college records and accompanying transcripts.
I don’t know if this is true. Do you have a cite? But I’m curious as to what you may think be hidden in Obama’s college years that the Clinton Machine and the GOP attack dogs would not have uncovered?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:04 pmObama:America as Philadelphia fans:Stanley Cup
Congratulations, Blackhawk fans!
Ed from SFV (f0e1cb) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:05 pmOh Dmac, I forgot to add another non-American (by your standards) Truman, who also tried to ram through a health care bill.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:06 pm“when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everyone.”
Do, DRJ: “Traditional” Americans have been howling for the end of Social Security and Medicare?
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:08 pmThat should have been “SO, DRJ …”
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:08 pmSo, clearly you knew about him before he took office, and thus you formed your opinion of him before the majority of the actions you now site as evidence that he’s not American.
Obama is a product of the previous political hack/head of the IL senate, Emil Jones, who loudly proclaimed that he was “going to make me a Senator!” Everyone in the IL chambers knew exactly what he meant, and he used the corrupt and nefarious IL Combine (Daley, House Speaker Mike Madigan and assorted others) to find his own little puppet to make his creators proud. Obama is a bought and paid – for political Zelig, who has stood for nothing during his entire career and has the empty core to prove it. The only reason he won his local senate race for the house in IL is because he used his political cronies to force his main challenger off the ballot (it’s still under investigation, after all of these years).
When he ran for the Senate, he used his political cronies at the Chicago Tribune to go to court in order to unseal the divorce records of his GOP challenger. The result? The challenger had to withdraw, allowing Obama to once again run for a high public office without any effective opponent. His main fundraiser in IL is Tony Rezko, currently convicted of corruption and now singing to Fitzgerald’s minions in advance of the Blago trial. The details that are coming out even as we speak during this trial are going to really blow his few remaining supporters off the map – watch and learn.
So no, he doesn’t strike anyone as a US citizen, because he’s got no sense of what this country means to the rest of the world, no sense of what this country means to the citizens who continue to pay their taxes, no sense of what our military’s going through trying to fight two wars simultaneously, he’s got no sense of what it means to actually love your country, and your own place within it.
He has no honor because he doesn’t even understand the word. There’s no there, there. Period.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:10 pmBTW, claiming “hyperbole” effectively means that you have no counter proof. Try again, I’m going out for a celebratory drink.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:12 pm“Obama’s bill leaves private insurance intact, with no competing public option.”
Myron – This week we saw the first insurance company casualty of ObamaCare as a company elected to close its doors due to healthcare deform. It’s name escapes me at the moment, but it sold high deductible policies, which will be prohibited under the new rules, because consumer choice will be limited to only traditional full spectrum policies. There will be many many more exits.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:14 pmDmac: In summation, here is what I think is going on.
You hate Obama, and it’s not an entirely reasonable hatred, from what I’ve read so far.
Why you hate him is clearly not something I’ll be able to discern from this blog. But you haven’t done a sufficient job in my view distinguishing him from past presidents.
You do seem to base your opinion of him on a mix of:
1. Benign but not fully formed birther-ism;
2. Dislike for his pastor;
3. A misunderstanding of where his policies fit in history;
4. Right-wing talking points; and
5. A “certain something,” which only you can know about.
That’s my diagnosis: ODS. You owe me a chicken for my services.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:14 pmI started to read myron’s response, but his answer to the first one was typical sophistry from him. As to the next one, the White House is opposing the blockade now, and is giving an additional $400,000,000 in “aid” to the Pali’s. With friends like us, why would Israel need enemies? A diplomatic tone? Good Allah. How many new friends has this diplomatic tone garnered us? How many of our allies are now better allies? How many of our adversaries are now our friends? His capitulation and apology tours have garnered nothing, except for a pre-emptive Nobel peace prize. Inartful shorthand? He said that his election would stop the oceans from rising. He said that we are the ones we have been waiting for. Inartful? Every last one of those words was scripted. Planned. Penned. The idea that a tax cut costs government money is laughable, as it resulted in the highest government receipts ever in the history of our country. But a little redistribution is right up your alley. Notice that in your response to Barcky’s church and long-time advisor Rev Hatey Wright, you did not address what Dmac said, but instead deflected. Whether or not there is anything in those records is beside the point, but you know that. The fact is that he not only refused to release them, but had them sealed. Why?
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:17 pmDmac: Even if we accept most of what you say is true, aren’t you just saying Obama is a machine politician? If we designate every machine politician as un-American, isn’t that 70 to 80 percent of them? Do you really think 70 to 80 percent of American politicians hate America?
You’re in McCarthy territory, man.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:17 pmWhere did Dmac say anything about his place of birth? Your diagnosis is that of a quack, or someone who cannot, or will not, read for comprehension.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:20 pmJD: I think we’re slightly above your pay-grade, here. You should leave the responding to Dmac.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:21 pmJD: rock solid support, to coin a phrase. You know this guy is just a self-important prat.
Eric Blair (e2121c) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:23 pmMyron:
With all due respect, your whole argument is about the past with a little “Well, the guy you like did this” and a nod to Truman, as if Truman’s ideas on health care were a good idea.
Which is all fine and good. But he was elected on a specific platitude, “Hope and Change.”
He’s fulfilled one of the promises, but the other is still lost for a lot of people.
Ag80 (1b8eea) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:26 pmMyron:
What good would it do? Half of America will never agree to end their entitlements. But entitlements are going broke so unless Obama convinces Americans to pay exorbitant taxes, those programs will end whether Americans like it or not.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:27 pmDmac: Congrats on the win tonight, at least in the realm of hockey. I’m interested to see what your drunken responses might look like …
Nite all, it’s after midnite where I am.
Myron (9b2abe) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:29 pmWho is this “we” that he keeps speaking of? I understand that you are not comfortable with me responding to your words, myron. It must be terribly uncomfortable for you to have someone question your worldview. All I did was point out the glaring errors in your logic, and the various overstatments and understatements that were employed in your wall o’sophistry. At one point, you were interesting, but now just predictable, and boring.
Goodnight, all. Even you, sophist.
JD (de02cc) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:30 pmMyron is above everyone’s pay grade so it is useless to try to debate him.
One also has to consider that he followed an administration that left a lot of sore feelings worldwide. A diplomatic tone is not the devil.
Those sore feelings, which were based on silly prejudices like disliking southern accents, have been quickly ameliorated by the experience of dealing with Obama.
He has alienated our friends and impressed our enemies as easy to roll. The next two years will be as dangerous as any since 1945.
Mike K (82f374) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:31 pmDRJ is right.
Ponzi schemes send most people to jail. But we’re stuck with entitlements that fostered the whole entitlement expectation of our nation. And you think that is a good thing?
Ag80 (1b8eea) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:35 pmWell said, Dmac. And Mike K.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:36 pm“Why you hate him is clearly not something I’ll be able to discern from this blog.”
Myron – Don’t you mean, why you dislike him are things I’ll either ignore or pretend I don’t understand because I think he’s dreamy? I think that’s a much more accurate summary.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:48 pmMyron – If you get a sex change operation are you going to have Obama’s baby?
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/9/2010 @ 9:49 pmDaley, I got a kick out of Myron trying to be clever about a chicken. Who was the troll who had a whole video about chickens?
But what’s funnier is freaking Myron accusing anyone at all of partisanship.
Eric Blair (e2121c) — 6/9/2010 @ 10:08 pmone has to provide Myron some time to reconcile the fact that his New Messiah is, well, human… and not even an impressive one at that. In over his head. When I see Obama, I think the “Peter Principle” – he is its poster child. As for allowing the POTUS “rookie mistakes” – boy is that a scary concept. Look – it’s my take that this guy is finding out that having a real job is difficult. Even for those who have some applicable experience in executive management. But the guy has soft hands. And while it may play into something one can accuse of being a convenient stereotype – it becomes more obvious every day that he was sponsored to his current slot. That is, lots of assistance up the rungs on his behalf. One can’t fault him for thinking himself as a demigod, when (not unlike Amer Idol hopefuls who can’t sing a lick to save their lives) everyone around him has been singing praises of greatness with no CV to back it up. I mean from his perspective (the POTUS) the world is a cushy place. Why others can’t do as well with little or no effort only reinforces the script: “I AM THE ONE. I AM EXCEPTIONAL.”
But, yeah, Myron is an owner. And, well, he’s clinging to his purchase… for now.
enoch_root (174a66) — 6/10/2010 @ 3:56 amCalling him an ‘alien’ is a smart political labeling job.
JEA (9f9fc9) — 6/10/2010 @ 5:03 amAnd another clueless one chimes in. No, worthless, it isn’t a “labeling job.” The O!ne is totally alienated from, and desires an end to the American way of life because he has a Marxist vision of the spontaneous uprising of a socialist utopia occurring when Western Civilization collapses.
To describe that mindset as ‘alien’ isn’t “labeling,” but the ‘Hope and Change’ bullsh1t he was sold to the public under certainly was.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/10/2010 @ 5:38 amThe guy technically is an alien. In the sense that he has really never lived in the US. And, no, I dont mean it from a Birther stdpt. I mean it in the sense that Hawaii and the Chicago Bubble and the Ivy League hardly represent America. It is true, then, that we the People are largely as alien to THE Him as THE Him is to us.
enoch_root (9548cd) — 6/10/2010 @ 5:57 amSeeing as the Bush tax cuts resulted in increased revenue due to a better economy, they didn’t have a ‘price tag’. They were a rising tide that lifted all boats including the governments.
luagha (78d913) — 6/10/2010 @ 6:16 amLuagha – that is above your pay grade. Myron knows things, because he is a leftist media-type person.
JD (6ca166) — 6/10/2010 @ 6:35 ammyroon JEA
ColonelHaiku (57a85b) — 6/10/2010 @ 6:48 amtweedledumb tweedledumber
clueless politics
It was not a surprise to see Muran’s usual MO in response: construct numerous strawmen, obfuscate and misdirect, never directly answer any statements made previously, and ascribe “feelings” to others in the guise of projection. Muran is a person who’s been suckling at the government teet for so long that his teeth are seriously malformed via the practice of continuous clenching.
Blind and obsessive love betrayed always falls the hardest – watching Muran and his fellow bootlickers destroy themselves over their wayward affection will not be an enjoyable thing to witness, since it will hurt all Americans, not just the blindly partisan.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/10/2010 @ 9:03 amCalling him an ‘alien’ is a smart political labeling job.
The truth is not a label – it is what it is, and that’s why it’s going to stick.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 6/10/2010 @ 9:04 am