CNN Poll: Arizona Immigration Law
[Guest post by DRJ]
A recent CNN poll shows less than 20% of Americans support a boycott of Arizona:
“According to the poll, 57 percent support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law, in line with other recent national polls. Only 17 percent say they would participate in a boycott of Arizona as a result of that legislation.”
There are more results at the link, including that almost 9 in 10 respondents believe American needs stronger border enforcement and “41% say all illegal immigrants currently in the country should be removed, up 15 points from 2008.”
— DRJ
To be honest I am surprised that CNN even did a survey on this topic knowing how Americans feel and then publish it. Once in a great while CNN does something right (but rarely).
MorningStar (f19658) — 5/27/2010 @ 5:08 pm“41% say all illegal immigrants currently in the country should be removed, up 15 points from 2008.”
Ouch! That is really going to leave a mark.
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 5:50 pm41% say all illegal immigrants currently in the country should be removed
Imagine what it would be if the media were not endlessly cheerleading for illegal immigrants.
Subotai (b86117) — 5/27/2010 @ 5:54 pmIf they keep taking polls they might get one that shows only 51% support the AZ law and then the media can trumpet the falling support, more people supporting Obama, blah blah blah.
MU789 (454be6) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:01 pmI’m disturbed this is so low. Perhaps we need to change the idea of giving citizenship to people who are born here, because that’s driving a lot of the sympathy against sending parents of citizens away. I also think it’s causing great hardship and cost.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:05 pmOver the years there have been, and there is currently, bills introduced into Congress to specifically extend the phrase in the 14th-Amendment “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” to how it is handled re American-born children of foreign diplomats posted to the U.S. as regards illegal immigrants; as, these people, being here illegally, have not subjected themselves “to the jurisdiction thereof”, as they would have if they immigrated here legally.
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:12 pmif 57% support it then I don’t think it’s necessarily all that controversial really… but the more interesting number would be how many hispanics support it I think.
But what jumped out is only 30% oppose a national i.d.
This country is the land of the free kind of like Greece is the land of the thrifty I think.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:47 pm84% of American support incarceration of bank robbers;
Willie Sutton and friends mostly opposed.
And, your point is?
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:50 pmI think it would be nice to get a measure of how many hispanics Team R is alienating by nationalizing Arizona’s whiny white people politics.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:56 pmthis poll also says that 80% favor amnesty… who knew?
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 6:58 pmMy wife’s side of our family are Americans of Mexican heritage – some live in SoCal and the rest live in Tucson, AZ. and I’ve quite frankly been surprised at how vehemently they not only support the Arizona law, but also believe that ALL illegal immigrants ought to be immediately deported, families included.
GeneralMalaise (4e741b) — 5/27/2010 @ 7:15 pmSo… do you see a tidal wave of hispanic support for Team R building?
That would be wonderful.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 7:22 pmThat 57% has a few points to go before it catches up with the 63% who support the repeal of ObamaCare. Maybe Obama’s risible move to put 1,200 UNARMED National Guard troops on the border as a distraction will move it up by a few points. Forceful leadership move we’ve come to expect from that feckless empty-suit dirty-ass socialist.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/27/2010 @ 8:02 pmit was either gonna be empty suit or empty coot
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 8:07 pmfeets – Watch out, looks like hyper-blue Massachusetts is getting all racisty too over illegal immigrants. I didn’t know they had 84% Team R up there.
Mass. Senate passes crackdown on illegal immigrants
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/27/2010 @ 8:33 pmHi Daley mostly I’m apathetic about illegal immigrants and also anti-illegal immigrants.
I just hope it doesn’t distract from a campaign focus on whether maybe we can rescue our little country from its fiscal malfeasances.
Personally I think Team R could cast a wider net if it weren’t so hung up on the immigrants.
Hey your link sucks for some reason I get some dns error thing so I found a nudder one.
It seems like this policy in Massachusetts is still a lot identified with just one party though.
Yay Team R! Push em back push em back waaaaay back! Hah take that you stupid illegals betcha wish you were an American but you’re not cause of you don’t got no citizenship cause you are a loser.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 8:45 pmIt is mainly associated with one party because the other party sees them as a source of many illegal votes to replace the citizen votes it is losing.
My wife and her family all came from Mexico. They are citizens now, many of the male children served in the Army, they respect our country and it’s laws, they proudly fly the American flag on the 4th of July, they support Arizona’s law, and they LEGALLY vote Republican in each election. They obeyed the law, they work hard, and they don’t approve of criminals and parasites.
Machinist (497786) — 5/27/2010 @ 9:04 pm“It seems like this policy in Massachusetts is still a lot identified with just one party though.”
feets – As I said, I was surprised to see the 84% pro-crackdown polling sentiment in Massachusetts since I did not think there were many Team R members there or that they controlled the State Senate. Your mileage seems to vary.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/27/2010 @ 9:13 pmComment by Machinist — 5/27/2010 @ 9:04 pm
You have obviously married into a family of RW degenerates (Heh).
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 9:13 pmhmmph
one day you’ll be wishing illegal immigrants were a problem
mark my words
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 9:37 pmhere Mr. daley our friend Mr. jackson says what he thinks about it and I… I agree with him, I do, cause of I think he’s bang on
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 9:44 pmoh. I could have also just quoted it, no?
I will do so here as follows:
Let’s all take a moment and admire his smartness. How quickly and efficiently he dispatches with any belabored discussion of this silly law.
It’s really… incisive is the word, how he does it.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 9:47 pmWe could legalize all behavior and crime would go way down.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:02 pmComment by DRJ — 5/27/2010 @ 10:02 pm
Yes, but would you wish to live in such a “crime free” world?
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:04 pmLegalizing drugs would take a lot of the money out of the trade, and the violence that goes along with such illicit traffic. However, we also must secure the border, to protect our national sovereignty and as a security matter. It’s not an either/or choice.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:10 pmI definitely see room for improvement, to say the least, in our drug war. And not just the Balko concerns with civil liberties and ridiculous raids.
But I disagree with Jackson. I think Arizona will see a drop in kidnappings and murders. I think the notion that those problems are unrelated to illegal immigration is preposterous, and I think the notion that illegal immigration is not related to the lack of enforcement of illegal immigration is downright baffling.
I wish this wasn’t a state’s rights issue. The Feds ought to be doing their job. But the State doesn’t just have a right to protect the innocent; it has a duty. I was going to wish Texas had gone Arizona’s route, just so we could also get some troops on the border, but now that I know they won’t be used to enforce the border I guess there’s no point.
I’m sick of this. It is not racism and this shouldn’t be a partisan game, but some have decided to engineer a more dependent, poorer electorate. We’re running out of time to become a sustainable country again.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:11 pmIf somebody enters the White House grounds illegally, don’t they get arrested and removed? Or do they get to stay and take up residence after an amnesty?
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:12 pmTime to call out the Unorganized Militia – there are quite a few of us just sitting around pounding on a keyboard, among other pursuits.
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:17 pmhappyfeet –
Disagree. Securing the border will make the border more secure. At least it’s worth a try, as it hasn’t been tried yet.
I agree with jackson regarding legalization, but the various problems and benefits of a shared land border with the country of Mexico cannot be distilled to the term ‘immigration’.
Either the US is a ‘melting pot’, or it isn’t. If it is, then using geographic proximity to one specific nation (not race) as the main determinant of the make-up of that pot is deleterious to the very concept that makes this country great.
Why should the residents of one nation, Mexico, simply because they can cross the border on foot, take greater priority of citizenship over the residents of almost every other nation, who must utilize different transportation methods?
The confusion regarding the porous nature of the land border with the country of Mexico versus the problems in the legal immigration system, IMO, is specifically designed to prevent solutions.
Apogee (49749b) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:19 pmH/T- Powerline Blog….
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:24 pmArizona on the Aegean:
“…Illegal immigration didn’t cause Greece’s financial collapse, of course. But Ray argues persuasively that illegal immigration is making the economic situation worse.”
I am very pro-securing the border. Team R should have given that a shot when they had a chance I think but loser codgers like for example their 2008 presidential nominee screwed the pooch on that.
It’s hard not to suspect Team R would really rather the illegal immigrant problem lingered lingered lingered a good while. Illegal immigrants and gay marriage and Life are kind of their reliable fundraisey stand-bys these days I think.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:26 pmfeets…After the defeat of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform back in 2005(?), and the agreement to build the fence, it looked like there was a possibility to get a handle on the problem. But, in Jan-07, a certain Democrat from San Francisco took over as Speaker of the House, and any thought of continued funding for the building of that fence went up in bong-smoke.
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:30 pm–Why should the residents of one nation, Mexico, simply because they can cross the border on foot, take greater priority of citizenship over the residents of almost every other nation, who must utilize different transportation methods–.
Apogee, you nailed it! The American melting pot recipe works when you have fresh, new little dabs and bits going into it all the time that subtly add flavor and complexity–not a huge slosh of a single ingredient that suddenly overpowers and changes the overall soup until it is nearly unrecognizable.
elissa (7fa716) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:31 pmthat is true AD but I prefer to blame everything on Meghan’s daddy
Everything.
It just feels… right.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:34 pmAgree on that, as well as an actual fundraisy link via the ‘hispanic’ caucus, MALDEF, MECHA, etc.
There’s money to be made, as evidenced in the fear in the eyes of Calderon during his last visit. Mexico’s economy is closely linked with the US, and while that’s to be expected somewhat, it should give pause to Americans who are fed up with our elected reps not doing their job, as well as explain the ‘reluctance’ of either party of sold-out scumbags to actually do their job.
As it stands now, Mexico, simply by proximity, has far more dependence, and thus necessitates far more influence, on the US – to the point where many are now growing increasingly uncomfortable with the status quo.
That status quo screws over every other nation, and Mexico would like to cloud that reality with talk of ‘civil rights’.
We all know the truth of that scam.
Apogee (49749b) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:37 pmfeets – If we lower the poverty level, poverty in this country will go down. Did our friend peter jackson write about that?
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:37 pmYou must fight the temptation to reduce everything to personal satisfaction.
AD - RtR/OS! (fce032) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:38 pmBe strong, Grasshopper!
Indeed. We need to clean that house very, very badly, and it’s just not happening yet. Nikki Haley is being crucified, for basically nothing, because she isn’t part of the old boys club. I know you’ve had many problems with Palin (And I’m not trying to inflame that debate), but I think we have to compromise on finesse to get people who are willing (even from a pragmatic career POV) to actually throw out the crooks on both sides of the aisle.
there’s a long running debate about how counterproductive it is to throw the bums out of a party you’re trying to increase in size, but I think a lot of people just don’t take the Republican’s reform mentality seriously because we haven’t done this yet.
It’s not like border control is just about keeping Mexicans away from our backyards, either. I would be very happy with a tall wall and wide gate policy.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:39 pmfeets – I’m with bipartisan Team 84% on this issue and the rule of law. I’ve got no clue where you are.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:41 pmMexico is our friend though Apogee. People forget that I think. As far as neighbors go we could do far far worse on this stupid planet.
I love them.
Mr. daley I think you are mocking the sentiments what our friend Mr. jackson shared and I think… I think it is an ignoble impulse. I really do.
Not just cause of he’s right but cause of the simple fact that no one has really answered the question of why nationalize the Arizona conversation? How is this a good idea?
I do not see how it is a good idea at all.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:43 pmDustin I think elected Team R ones should be very intimately acquainted with fear of imminent job loss. Every one of them. All the time.
Except Paul Ryan.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:45 pm“As far as neighbors go we could do far far worse on this stupid planet.”
feets – Good fences make good neighbors. If you want to hang with the dirty socialist fringe lefty open borders amnesty nuts, go for it. You are with the 21% of Team Amnesty what supported the last comprehensive solution. Me, I support legal immigration.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:49 pmHear, hear!
And I’m with daleyrocks. Legal immigration for Mexicans who want to come here and abide by our laws, assimilate with our people, and live a better life. I acknowledge the current process is a mess, but illegal immigration only makes it much harder to fix.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:51 pmhappyfeet –
I wasn’t talking about a military incursion against Mexico.
Mexico has good and bad people, but the fact is that it is a corrupt and poor country, and has, AFAIC, been allowed, to the detriment of other immigrants, to over dominate the makeup of our immigrant population.
This has been achieved by illegal means, simply due to the fact that the border has not been enforced, no matter who has been in power.
The only reason the issue has traction right now is that economic factors have changed the citizens outlook, and subsequently alerted the politicians that it may actually cost them power to continue on the current course.
Apogee (49749b) — 5/27/2010 @ 10:57 pmMexico is our friend….
A friend who is so dysfunctional, incompetent and self-destructive, that the quote of the day should be: “With friends like that, who needs enemies?!”
If Mexico weren’t such a perennial mess, always full of crime, corruption and poverty, I do admit I’d see things somewhat differently.
I also would be affected if I didn’t continue to see reports — year after year — of uncomfortably high percentages of immigrants from Mexico doing poorly in American schools, whether at grade-level or college. And more disturbing of all, if I didn’t continue to see such trends pertaining not just to the first generation, but also to the children of immigrants, and the children of the children of immigrants, etc.
Mark (411533) — 5/27/2010 @ 11:33 pmwho said I was pro-amnesty Mr. daley I didn’t say that I am pro-cupcakes and pro-freedom… I just don’t get all worked up about illegal ones is all especially while my little country is floundering floundering floundering for reasons quite apart from the menace what our illegal friends represent.
And Mr. apogee we are a corrupt and poor little country as well. It’s just a matter of degree, and not that much of one at that when you ponder things like that bill where we’ll all be raped heartily to pay pensions for illiterate union poofters. That’s as corrupt as anything you’ll find in Mexico. Every bit as corrupt.
The humanity.
happyfeet (c8caab) — 5/27/2010 @ 11:34 pmPersonally I think Team R could cast a wider net if it weren’t so hung up on the immigrants.
Happy: Shhhh. (Not that Team R is listening anyway. They didn’t listen to Rove.)
Myron (a79d53) — 5/28/2010 @ 12:37 amone day you’ll be wishing illegal immigrants were a problem
Happy: Ah. Someone who understands immigrants beats no immigrants. Ask countries like say, Russia, about the “benefits” of population decline.
Either you birth ’em or bring ’em, to keep a young, healthy work force. I’ll take either. I’m just glad people still want to come here.
What the CNN poll shows (secure the border; path to citizenship) is that there is enough agreement that the parties can pursue reform. They just don’t want to.
Myron (a79d53) — 5/28/2010 @ 12:45 amannex Mexico, give it Territorial status and allow them the opportunity to petition for statehood.
we should have kept the whole thing when we kicked their asses in 1846, instead of the half with the roads and the plumbing.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/28/2010 @ 12:46 amAs far as neighbors go we could do far far worse on this stupid planet.
God knows. Preach it, happy. There are countries and regions — the Middle East, the Koreas, India/Pakistan — where nations border hostile enemies who would flat-out destroy them given half the chance. I’ll take my Mexicans and Canadians any day.
Mexicans are mainly Catholic with a protestant work ethic. Easy assimilation if we quit being so lunk-headed about it.
Myron (a79d53) — 5/28/2010 @ 12:49 amred, of course, if we did that, we still would have a southern border that is invaded by criminals, etc etc etc.
I think Myron does have a good point, but we need to rethink our immigration policy. That doesn’t mean amnesty at all. We need people who obey the law, want to assimilate into the United States, not be Mexicans (or other nationalities) residing here for a while, and speak a common language (already a requirement of legal immigrants). I think we could add a few more requirements. Adults should have a real skill. Dishwasher is not one, but we could use more skilled laborers and well educated people from all over the world.
Ultimately, the real problem is that Mexico has severe corruption. That we have to compare them to North Korea to find a favorable situation says a lot. No, they don’t want to invade us with gunships, but they are corrupt and self destructive and we have to fix that somehow.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:05 amI would be OK with legalizing the immigrants that could read either English or even Spanish. The vast majority of illegals can read neither.
Mike K (67e8ce) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:14 amhence my solution: they are never going to change with the current set up, so take them over, as in a bankruptcy, and start over. junk all their laws, etc, and build from the ground up: ESL immersion for everyone to start with, and go from there.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:15 amred, most Mexicans I know have very strong nationalist sentiment. I actually think it’s a shame many Americans I know do not have that pride in their hearts.
Would Mexicans want to be Americans? I suspect the incredibly rich rulers of Mexico do not want any change. I do think you provide at least some kind of solution to a very tough problem, but remember, Mexico has a southern border problem, too. If we never control our border, we’re going to be have problems.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:18 amwell, just set the southern border at Tierra del Fuego and voila! no more problems.
then we’d *really* be the US of A.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:25 amLOL
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:32 amEasy assimilation if we quit being so lunk-headed about it.
And if you’re a typical liberal — better-educated, more-affluent ones of white, Latino, black, Asian, Jewish, Gentile, etc, background included — you speak idealistically and romantically while standing on a comfortable perch far removed from the harsh realities of Mexican society. Or far removed from the various communities throughout America that have become, or are becoming predominantly Latino (with a high percentage of immigrants from Mexico). Communities in which just a few too many of the idiosyncrases that make, say, Mexico Mexico — ie, where downward mobility is more the rule than the exception — are becoming all too evident.
In that regard, you’re like the fairly large number of public school teachers who speak with fondness of the wonderful populist trappings of public schools, but who send their own precious young sons and daughters to a private school, or a parochial school, or a public school miles away from the ones that are predominantly Latino.
Mark (411533) — 5/28/2010 @ 1:53 am“What the CNN poll shows (secure the border; path to citizenship) is that there is enough agreement that the parties can pursue reform. They just don’t want to.”
Secure the border; path to the end of the queue waiting to enter the country by the rules, myroon.
GeneralMalaise (4e741b) — 5/28/2010 @ 5:43 amThis comes down for most people on the issue of fairness, regardless of nationality or country of origin. I’ve worked at a number of silicon valley org’s, and the one constant was how difficult it was for many of the engineers from Eastern Europe and other countries (besides Mexico) to get their Green Card, much less become citizens. They look across the street and see many who’ve come here illegally, and thumb their noses at those who did it the old – fashioned way. We need immigrants, but we must make the process the same for all.
Dmac (3d61d9) — 5/28/2010 @ 7:27 amMyron does not have a good point. Pretending that legal immigration and illegal immigration are the same thing is a brazen falsehood. It is the bedrock of the pro-amnesty propaganda. Foreclosing illegal immigration would not mean that we would end legal immigration, rather it would provide more opportunities for legal immigrants by reducing the burden of illegal immigrants upon our society.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/28/2010 @ 2:11 pmFrankly, I don’t want illegals to be at the end of the line. They are criminals. Criminals who I can empathize with, but respecting our law is critical. We can’t expect people to suddenly live up to any agreement or laws if they are allowed amnesty for illegally cutting in front of law abiding immigrants.
I do want a fundamental simplification and opening of our immigration policy, but on my short list of requirements is that immigrants obey our laws. Even traffic laws (I’ve traveled the world and think traffic law compliance is a special thing that is actually central to assimilation). But that’s not a specific issue. I think immigrants should simply follow all the laws, speak our language (of course, the law abiding ones do), and agree to assimilate in our way of life, respect for individual liberty, etc.
Those countries that require immigrants to have some kind of skill are on to something.
But that’s besides the point. Controlling the border is not optional. It’s not an issue we can forget by amnesty or immigration laws or fixing Mexico. This lawlessness is causing great problems and great risk, and some politicians love the effects. Red herrings, even well meaning ones, shouldn’t distract from the basic point about our borders.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/28/2010 @ 2:25 pm