Terror Attack in Moscow
[Guest post by DRJ]
Two female homicide bombers carried out separate attacks in the Moscow subway, killing dozens:
“Two female suicide bombers blew themselves up aboard packed underground trains at the height of the rush hour in Moscow this morning, killing 38 people and leaving an estimated 62 injured, according to the Russian security service.
The first blast came at the Lubyanka station in central Moscow at 07.56 (03.56 GMT), killing at least 22 people and wounding 12. The station is deep below the headquarters of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the Soviet-era KGB, and just yards away from the Kremlin.
Irina Andrianova, a Russian Emergencies Ministry spokeswoman, said:”The blast hit the second carriage of a Metro train that stopped at Lubyanka.”
Commuters were killed both on the platform, which was packed, and in the carriage, she said.
Around 45 minutes later at 08.38 (04.38 GMT) the second explosion happened at Park Kultury station, close to Gorky Park, killing at least 12 and leaving at least seven wounded. The second blast also took place in a train carriage while it was stationary at the platform, Ms Adrianova added.”
There are unconfirmed reports of a third attack, and officials say they have not yet been able to extricate all the dead and wounded.
— DRJ
When did you start using the term “homicide bomber.”?
imdw (ae4236) — 3/29/2010 @ 4:45 amAny objections to the use of that term? I mean, God forbid that we might focus on the victims rather than the perpetrators.
Icy Texan (192cb4) — 3/29/2010 @ 4:55 amI blame Bush. And violent racist teabaggers.
JD (0f49a9) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:09 amnitwit, has a soft spot for Chechen terrorists, who would have suspected.
ian cormac (349188) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:10 amCan we call them “freedom fighter murderers”?
Icy Texan (192cb4) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:13 amSuicide bomber is more descriptive than just “bomber.”
Homicide bomber, mentioned in the same sentence as “killings” is just redundant. Would anyone say “homicide gunmen”?
Bob (67425c) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:17 am“Any objections to the use of that term? ”
Objections? No by all means. I mean, the Times doesn’t use it. I’m just wondering when it started.
I’ve always thought it was an odd one. Just about anyone that drops bombs that kill or kills people with bombs is a “homicide bomber.” The term “suicide bomber” on the other hand, connotes the terror tactic specifically involved here. Thus the fanaticism and intensity we object to are captured.
imdw (0172f3) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:19 amThe point, is their focus is killing civilians, unlike the kamikazis, that targeted military
ian cormac (349188) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:23 ampersonnel
“The point, is their focus is killing civilians, unlike the kamikazis, that targeted military
personnel”
But a homicide is the killing of anyone, civilian or not, by another person, terrorist or not. Legal or not. It includes murder and it includes self-defense.
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imdw (019d51) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:29 amI was going to blame George Bush, but JD beat me to it.
The snarky Dana (3e4784) — 3/29/2010 @ 5:54 amYou kill a woman’s father, brothers and sons, it’s a bad idea to let her live.
nk (db4a41) — 3/29/2010 @ 6:05 amWhat is your solution, nk, let the fathers, brothers, and sons kill you? Stop being an idiot.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 3/29/2010 @ 6:13 amI don’t blame Boosh, I blame the evil Israeli Joooos. Imadouchebag told me, hence it must be so.
Dmac (21311c) — 3/29/2010 @ 6:30 amBite me, PCD. Russia waged “total war” in Chechnya fully equal to what the Arabs are doing in Darfur. Reagan knew what barbarians the Russians are, but no subsequent president, including Bush 43, did.
nk (db4a41) — 3/29/2010 @ 6:30 amSo, have we figured out yet how the people from the Tea Party protests were responsible for all this, or has Soros not gotten that out to his minions at this time?
TheGonz (4e6328) — 3/29/2010 @ 7:09 amConsidering how the Russians treated the Chechens, my take on Chechen attacks on Russians is a quote from Ayn Rand:
“Brothers, you asked for it!”
Seriously, the Russians did unto a lot of nationalities in the ex-USSR stuff that would make the Holocaust look like a walk in the park, but they don’t get a thousandth of the oppobrium the Germans get. Seeing them get some payback is not something that makes me unhappy.
Technomad (e2c0f2) — 3/29/2010 @ 7:27 amThe Chechens have a grudge with the Russians thats about two hundred years old, Grozny, literally the “Fortress” that they set up during their first campaign
ian cormac (349188) — 3/29/2010 @ 7:38 amThere are unwarranted attacks on innocents in the name of wanton murder, then there are the Chechens who have suffered more than most ethnic minorities at the hands of the Russians. First you had Stalin’s forced pogroms after WWII, where millions of Chechens were sent to the Gulag in Siberia, never to be seen again. Starting over a decade ago it was a common occurrence for the KGB or Russian military to drive into a town in Chechna, go into random houses and drag adult males out, to be summarily executed and/or be tortured to death.
I am in no ways justifying the murder of Russian civilians by the Chechens – two wrongs don’t make a right in this instance. But the Russians are reaping what they’ve so richly sown over many past generations, and when Putin made comparisons between 9/11 and these kinds of attacks was both gratuitous and shameful. Putin knows full well why the Chechens act the way they do these days – after all, he was the architect of much of these policies while head of the KGB. I have no idea to this day why Bush thought he was some kind of reformed thug – those kinds of people never change their stripes.
Dmac (21311c) — 3/29/2010 @ 7:44 amI blame Israel (along with Bush and violent, racist teabaggers). If only Palestinians had someone else’s homeland, all would be well in the world.
iconoclast (09be6f) — 3/29/2010 @ 8:48 am“…I mean, the Times doesn’t use it…”
There are a lot of things that don’t appear on the pages of the NYT…
AD - RtR/OS! (b0c533) — 3/29/2010 @ 9:03 amLike, real news, forinstance.
“There are a lot of things that don’t appear on the pages of the NYT…”
“The Times” in this case would be the UK newspaper that is linked by DRJ. Not the NYT.
imdw (d3ef34) — 3/29/2010 @ 9:18 amThe mistake the killers made was to not wait for the tea party to have a rally in Moscow.
The MSM would go into full foaming mouth rage because they would take Putin’s blaming Sarah Palin without question.
Meet The Press would get the usual libs on a panel to call for martial law (except Doris K Goodwin would have to wait for someone to write something so she could steal it) and Olby’s show for the next month would consist of nothing but special comments asking Sarah Palin if she had no shame.
The UN would blame Israel and call for more funds to relieve suffering in occupied Palestine.
Expect Gitmo to be compared to the ruthless war in Checnya so as to excuse muslim killers.
MU789 (bfc2e9) — 3/29/2010 @ 9:26 amWhat in the world makes you think that the rest of the world gives two shits about “the tea party” and its success or failure?
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Leviticus (ed6d31) — 3/29/2010 @ 9:40 am“…’The Times’ in this case would be the UK newspaper that is linked by DRJ. Not the NYT…”
Oh, quite right, Old Chap.
It’s the Murdoch-owned “Times”!
And, we all understand how much you admire Mr.Murdoch’s journalistic integrity.
AD - RtR/OS! (b0c533) — 3/29/2010 @ 9:42 amWe can expect that switch when FNC starts using it.
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Terror Hits Moscow Subway: Two Islamic Female Suicide Bombers Suspected in Killing at Least 38, Injuring More (video) « Frugal Café Blog Zone (a66042) — 3/29/2010 @ 9:47 amNK, the question still stands, WHAT WOULD YOU DO??? What if an American Indian bombed your place of work in retaliation for whatever incident from the past, is that OK with you?
PCD (1d8b6d) — 3/29/2010 @ 10:56 am> And violent racist teabaggers.
Why the adjectives? It’s clear from media reports that there is no other kind, right?
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IgotBupkis (79d71d) — 3/29/2010 @ 11:34 am> I was going to blame George Bush, but JD beat me to it.
Well, don’t let that stop you. Thousands and thousands of lefties blamed Bush for it, even before it happened.
It’s clear from media reports that Bush is still behind all the world’s ills, right?
IgotBupkis (79d71d) — 3/29/2010 @ 11:37 am> NK, the question still stands, WHAT WOULD YOU DO??? What if an American Indian bombed your place of work in retaliation for whatever incident from the past, is that OK with you?
I concur with the idea that two wrongs won’t fix it, but your comparison is inappropriate. What happened to the Amerind a couple centuries ago is not the same as what has happened to the Chechen as recently as the last 10 years.
In the former case, both the living and unliving victims, as well as those perpetrating the actions, are long gone from this earth, so reprisals strike at comparative innocents.
In the case of Chechnya, the Russians have acted since the fall of the USSR to oppress them. I can’t say I have the SAME level of disagreement with their actions as wrong that one might have for Amerind terrorists regarding century-plus old disagreements.
AGAIN: Not excusing what these people did, but I find far more annoyance and problem with who they did it to than with what was done.
It’s oh-so much easier to kill innocent and unsuspecting civilians than it is the reasonable targets of your ire, that is to say, middle-to-high level government officials who might have actually had a hand in the actions of government.
I mean, I’m sorry, there ARE degrees of wrongness. If you’re going to, for example, commit a suicide bombing regarding health care, for example, consider the following list:
Children in school
Random Train Passengers
Minor Government Officials at an IRS office
The Federal offices of the Secretary of Health and Human Services
Congress
While a suicide bombing against all of those would be wrong, they certainly are in rank order as to how much responsibility they have with regards to one’s possible grievances. Bombing the first is much, much more wrong than bombing the last would be. Striking out is itself wrong, but striking out at the wrong target entirely is a much, much greater wrong.
Similarly, if you are Chechen and have a grievance with the Russian government, it is far more rational to strike out at the Russian government bodies responsible for your misery than it is to strike out at a bunch of civilians in a subway.
IgotBupkis (79d71d) — 3/29/2010 @ 12:00 pm> NK, the question still stands, WHAT WOULD YOU DO??? What if an American Indian bombed your place of work in retaliation for whatever incident from the past, is that OK with you?
I concur with the idea that two wrongs won’t fix it, but your comparison is inappropriate. What happened to the Amerind a couple centuries ago is not the same as what has happened to the Chechen as recently as the last 10 years.
In the former case, both the living and unliving victims, as well as those perpetrating the actions, are long gone from this earth, so reprisals strike at comparative innocents.
In the case of Chechnya, the Russians have acted since the fall of the USSR to oppress them. I can’t say I have the SAME level of disagreement with their actions as wrong that one might have for Amerind terrorists regarding century-plus old disagreements.
AGAIN: Not excusing what these people did, but I find far more annoyance and problem with who they did it to than with what was done.
It’s oh-so much easier to kill innocent and unsuspecting civilians than it is the reasonable targets of your ire, that is to say, middle-to-high level government officials who might have actually had a hand in the actions of government.
I mean, I’m sorry, there ARE degrees of wrongness. If you’re going to, for example, commit a suicide bombing regarding health care, for example, consider the following list:
Children in school
Random Train Passengers
Minor Government Officials at an IRS office
The Federal offices of the Secretary of Health and Human Services
Congress
While a suicide bombing against all of those would be wrong, they certainly are in rank order as to how much responsibility they have with regards to one’s possible grievances. Bombing the first is much, much more wrong than bombing the last would be. Striking out is itself wrong, but striking out at the wrong target entirely is a much, much greater wrong.
Similarly, if you are Chechen and have a grievance with the Russian government, it is far more rational to strike out at the Russian government bodies responsible for your misery than it is to strike out at a bunch of civilians in a subway. Striking out at civilians is the sign of a total coward.
IgotBupkis (79d71d) — 3/29/2010 @ 12:01 pmWhoever handles the servers for this site, on the other hand, needs to be introduced to some Chechens. The response time on this thing is ridiculous. You can’t tell if something has posted or not.
IgotBupkis (79d71d) — 3/29/2010 @ 12:04 pmGiven how Russians are feeding nuclear technology to the Iranians, I find it really hard to muster much sympathy for the Devil.
… and yes I realise the people killed and maimed are innocents.
… and yes I feel the Russians should do whatever it takes to stop it.
HeavenSent (a9126d) — 3/29/2010 @ 12:07 pmIf the Chechens really wanted to strike out against the Russian(Soviet) system, they would attack the outposts of the Gulag, and free the prisoners. Though, the bombing at the Lubyanka station is of historical interest, since it has been the central point of the police-state since the days of the Cheka and Felix Dzerzhinsky.
AD - RtR/OS! (b0c533) — 3/29/2010 @ 1:02 pm“Given how Russians are feeding nuclear technology to the Iranians, I find it really hard to muster much sympathy for the Devil.”
Those wily russian subway riders.
imdw (603c39) — 3/29/2010 @ 1:25 pm^those cheap and fraudulent Jew poseurs.
Dmac (21311c) — 3/29/2010 @ 1:48 pmWhy are violent progressives bombing subways in Moscow?
daleyrocks (718861) — 3/29/2010 @ 3:33 pm“^those cheap and fraudulent Jew poseurs.”
I think it’s kind of amazing that you came to the conclusion that I was representing myself as jewish. Really. It’s like next time that I speak up against rape, I’ll be branded a female. Good stuff here.
imdw (603c39) — 3/29/2010 @ 4:16 pmBarrack Obama and the DNC caused this terrorist act today in Moscow.
Had he and the DNC supported our efforts against terrorism, and the full unconditonal use of our military, ever chickens s**t cowarldy sucide bomber would be afraid of us instead of laughing at us.
Barrack Obama is responsible for this act of murder.
highpockets (c5de3a) — 3/29/2010 @ 4:24 pmReally. It’s like next time that I speak up against rape, I’ll be branded a female. Good stuff here.
Nah, we’ll just call you a douchebag, as per usual. Regarding your sexuality, let’s just put it that you’re giving off a lot of bi – curious vibes lately.
Dmac (21311c) — 3/29/2010 @ 4:45 pm