Enjoy the following parody of the classic Schoolhouse Rock short. It’s critical of Barack Obama. In other words, racist:
“I’m just a BILL, yo I’m only a BILL, and my price just rose in a backroom deal.”
Thanks to Allahpundit.
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It would be better with a more credible-sounding MC. The rapper sounds 12.
Otherwise, however you guys wish to console yourselves short of getting violent, I’m for. “Baby-killer” and the like. Knock yourselves out.
At some point, I would think the pity party would end. But who knows? The victimization card can be very high on the right — I’ve learned that to the Nth degree during this whole health care debate.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:26 amYou have not shown the capacity to learn, Myron. You have demonstrated the ability to be a sophist.
JD (7642d2) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:31 amJD: Which is to say I haven’t dropped my firm beliefs and adopted your firm beliefs. OK.
I think you picked up “sophist” in some word-of-the-day calendar and now feel you must use it.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:33 amI don’t want you to change your beliefs, though I disagree with them. The dishonest narrative that you and yours pushed is what I object to. Congrats on your win. You seem content to not be a gracious winner, while whining about pity parties and sore losers. Forgive me for not thinking you anything other than a disingenuous sophist. You just happen to be nicer than the others that drop by, but does not change the nature of what you do.
JD (7642d2) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:37 amSo, when you say “which is to say” we should know that what follows is not based in reality. Is that one of your tells, like Teh One when he says “let me be clear”, or “it has always been my position that …”?
JD (7642d2) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:39 amJD: You won, too. You just don’t know it.
I predict years down the road folks on your side will be fiercely defending universal care the way they are currently defending Medicare. That’s what I call a foundational shift.
I’d be interested in what you think is an example of one of my “dishonest” narratives? I’m working from the assumption you know the difference between facts and opinions.
And you have to admit, there has been a high amount of whining since Sunday.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:41 amSo we should not voice our displeasure? Just shut up, huh?
Dishonest? All of your prattle about how the CBO numbers showed this to be deficit neutral, that it will contain costs, reduce the deficit, etc … for starters.
JD (1e32d0) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:48 amSo we should not voice our displeasure? Just shut up, huh?
JD: I’m not saying that at all. Go right ahead. You can whine to your heart’s content. I can also call it whining. It’s still America, despite the whining we’ve heard this week to the contrary.
As for the CBO, I’ll repeat my statements from earlier: Isn’t your problem with them? I am only repeating their estimates.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:52 amDid Democratic Cheerleader Myron actually claim that the Right is playing a victim card?
Really? No one reading that will require an iron supplement for a few years. Irony abounds.
As for whining, we’ll see how the person feels in a few months.
Winning and losing with grace is a skill that not many people have. It’s an important one, since what goes around…comes around.
As Myron has learned in the past, and will learn in the future.
But don’t worry, JD. Myron has his Twister set all smoothed out on the floor. He is very engaged in “Defend the D,” at all costs. Which is why it is funny when he claims to be above all that kind of thing. Puh-leeze. His own posts speak (or bark) for themselves.
Let him sprain his shoulder high fiving himself. Bob Dylan put it best.
Eric Blair (21af67) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:55 amJD: I guess the issue for me is that I’m a pragmatist and see little value in whining and complaining. It’s cathartic for a day or so, but at what point do you move on?
Reagan wouldn’t have signed on to a pity party. He’s your hero, I assume. His “Hood Robin” legacy (word-reverse intentional) is under direct attack, as the NYT notes. And your side counters with a rap video and silly slogans built on fantastical hopes (“Repeal and replace”)?
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:57 amAs for whining, we’ll see how the person feels in a few months.
Eric: I’ll feel fine, no matter what happens. There has been a fundamental shift: Americans will expect health care, regardless of income. They will see it as a right. That will not ever go away.
You’re looking at one interception. I’m looking at the whole ballgame.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:01 amI did not win, in any possible scenario. My health insurance will cost more, less access, and my taxes will go up. That you are willing to parrot the numbers from the CBO based on the flawed assumptions provided them, and your unwillingness to even consider them, is a perfect example of your sophistry. Congrats.
JD (1e32d0) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:05 amJD: You won’t admit it, but you’re only dissing the ref (the CBO) b/c you don’t like the call. What’s more partisan than that?
Both sides accept the CBO as the ref.
Now, there IS a principled, reasonable objection to the CBO numbers, but you haven’t found it, and I’m not going to help you.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:07 amMyron – when you feel the need to assume something about me, it is also safe to assume that you are going to be wrong wrong wrong.
JD (1e32d0) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:08 amAnd I meant to say “both sides in Congress.”
Partisans on both sides criticize the CBO on a case-by-case basis, based on which way it goes.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:08 amNo. 14. Accepted, without objection. I agree I shouldn’t be making assumptions about you.
As for No.6, I was speaking of “you” in the sense that I think the country will benefit as a whole, but I of course don’t know your personal situation.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:11 amThe CBO numbers are a brazen fraud, Myron, and everyone knows it. The CBO generates reports based on the assumptions forced upon them. That you want to deny it only reinforces your reputation.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:12 amMyron mocking someone for sounding “12” …
Does anybody else find that somewhat ironic?
BTW, Myron, may we assume that – in a sincere effort to “do the right thing” and lead by example – you will no longer be claiming any deductions on your tax returns, thus maximizing your contributions to the support of your fellow Americans?
Bubba Maximus (456175) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:13 amand everyone knows it.
SPQR: Really? A fraud? Then you should be sounding the alarm in Washington and not wasting time on this blog.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:14 amBubba: Who are you? You can do whatever you want with your taxes. Don’t worry about mine.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:15 amJUST SHUT UP BEND OVER AND TAKE IT YOU WHINY BEEYOTCHES !!!!!!!!!!
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:22 amYes, Myron, a fraud. The Democrats are brazenly putting over a fraud on the American people.
And the American people realize it.
The dishonesty and corruption of the Democrat party has been on display for months. And the American people won’t forget it.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:23 amOh, I can think of something. Someone, actually.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:24 amThat you are uninterested in the grossly flawed assumptions that Harry and Nancy provided the CBO, the very foundation of the report they generated, is of no surprise to me, Myron. It fits quite nicely with your sophistry.
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:25 am1
America has a proud tradition of consoling itself with violence. That is how we consoled ourselves in response to British oppression and it resulted in a huge increase of liberty.
j curtis (5126e4) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:27 amSPQR: You’re in an echo chamber. There’s a big, wide America out there, and I would wager Americans main concerns right now are getting or keeping their jobs. They’re not going to obsess over the sausage-making in the health care bill from here until the election.
They will wait to see how the bill affects them and watch the tweaks. If it doesn’t prove to be the apocalypse that talk radio and the blogosphere have been pushing — and it won’t be — then your quiver on the issue is out of arrows.
I think Republicans in particular have not figured that maybe Americans are just tired of talking about health care period and won’t want to hear another several months of a GOp plan to replace one bill with another, and kick people off of care?
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:28 amJD: It’s not that I’m uninterested. It’s just that I never saw this bill as the last bill ever to address health care. We, as a country, are actually capable of mid-course correction.
If the numbers aren’t working, we come back and address the numbers. Clearly, no one has an interest in seeing the system, or the country, go bankrupt. “Vote for me, I bankrupted the country” is hard to sell come election time.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:32 amMore fraud on your part, Myron. None of these great benefits of the bill take place for years. So a bill that repealed the Democrats fraud could not “kick people off of care” because they won’t have gotten any of the Democrat “free shit” yet.
The people do care about the Democrats fraud and corruption, its why there is a real grassroots political movement in this country. The first in decades.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:33 amj curtis: I’m not clear on where you’re coming from.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:34 amSo it really didn’t matter what number they claimed this time around, so long as they passed something?!
Now we are tired of talking about healthcare, after the Dem’s orgy of talking about it for the last 9 months? Now we should just shut up and move on?
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:36 amJD: By all means, keep talking about it. I’m just saying it won’t get you anywhere, after the bill passed. It’s post-game analysis. Only sports fanatics are interested in that.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:38 amClearly, no one has an interest in seeing the system, or the country, go bankrupt.
A claim shown to be ridiculous by the very actions Myron lauds. The federal budget is already on course for collapse and this bill will only worsen it. And Myron implicitly admits that the numbers were meaningless and looks forward to “fixing” the bill when the heat for cooking the CBO numbers is off.
That’s just another example of the fraud that Democrats are perpetuating.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:39 amAnd Myron implicitly admits that the numbers were meaningless
SPQR: I admitted no such thing. Let’s not resort to lying, now, especially when the lie is so easily disprovable. The normal juvenile insults will do just fine.
I said that we can make corrections if the numbers aren’t going the way the CBO predicted. You know as well as I do what is meant by “projected” numbers. They are only predictions.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:43 amGee … I wonder how they will “fix” the problems, SPQR.
I get it, Myron. When you want to talk about it, we should devote a year and 50+ presidential speeches and multiple prime time events to it. Once you have bribed and coerced enough people, everyone else should just shut up and deal.
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:44 amMyron, I think one thing to admit, that all of us must come to grips with, is that the findings of the CBO are only as valid as the underlying values they must work with. It is not a this party against that one thing. The CBO numbers are quite valid, but they are based on having to subtract 6 years of spending from 10 years of revenue (for instance).
The part I am wondering about (and I ask this out of ignorance) is how the President can sign an Executive order that, in essence, is supposed to line-item veto text from the Senate’s Bill (I’m referring to the Abortion language). Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have line-item veto power given so long as 2/3rds majority (or some large majority) could over-ride it. But how can an Executive Order override a Law created by the Legislature?
Corwin (ea9428) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:47 am28
You appeared to have expressed some personal principle that those who are denied liberty shouldn’t console themselves to the extent of violence.
j curtis (5126e4) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:48 amj curtis: I don’t remember phrasing it that way, but OK. So you’re putting down the keyboard for the musket, is that it?
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:52 amIs there a transcript of this anywhere so I don’t have to sit thru that “hip-hop” crap?
Jack Sheldon would be spinning in his grave except he’s not dead.
Dave (in MA) (fdc1e8) — 3/24/2010 @ 8:58 amMyron, I think one thing to admit, that all of us must come to grips with, is that the findings of the CBO are only as valid as the underlying values they must work with.
Corwin: Yes, this is correct. And just as importantly, the numbers are based on what future Congress’ will do and some hard choices that future Congress’ must make. That adds for a potentially high degree of variability. To me, that’s saying a different thing than saying the numbers are bunk so we should throw out the CBO. We simply MUST an impartial referee/estimate for legislation.
As for the E.O., I don’t know. I’ll have to look it up. My overall impression is, though it has the force of law, it doesn’t mean much since any president, or this president, can overturn it at will. But that doesn’t get to your question.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:00 amAnd that should be “we simply must HAVE” an impartial referee.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:01 amI don’t think we need to throw out the CBO numbers; nor the CBO. But to use your referee analogy – what good is a referee when he is required to be blindfolded? Or if he is handed a new rule book at the beginning of each game? Or if he is asked to not make calls covering a certain part of the playing field?
The CBO (idea) is a good one. And will work if given the authority to perform it’s duties without regard to the pressures now on it.
As it stands today, the CBO is nothing more than a calculating board that can only use the numbers given to it – and we know the nubmers are suspect. I think this leads many to feel like it has no value.
Corwin (ea9428) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:08 amJack Sheldon would be spinning in his grave except he’s not dead.
Dave (in MA): That’s funny.
It samples Sheldon?
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:08 amNot in the first few seconds before I shut it off. He sang the original. SANG, as in singing. You know, music.
Dave (in MA) (fdc1e8) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:11 amJD: BTW, Corwin made the principled, reasoned argument against the CBO numbers in No. 34. Just for your future reference.
SPQR made a similar argument, but wasn’t reasonable.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:11 amRe: No. 33,
JD: Of all the people who twist and corrupt my points, you do it the best. There ought to be an award.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:13 amAnd will work if given the authority to perform it’s duties without regard to the pressures now on it.
Corwin: It’s hard to imagine how you take away those pressures. Maybe move them physically out of Washington?
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:14 am36
Oh, I thought you did phrase it that way. Are you now claiming that you would go as far as violence against those who take away your liberty?
It’s an interesting subject because in the US, liberty and equality are usually diametrically opposed; a victory for one is usually regarded as a defeat for the other. Equality has achieved plenty of victories without violence but liberty rarely, if ever, achieves victory without violence, no matter if its counterweight is equality or tyranny.
j curtis (5126e4) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:15 amThat was unreasonable of me? You have called is sore losers and whining about 15 times in this thread alone, and how we should quit talking about it, as the public is not interested. Maybe I missed the nuance in your position?
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:16 amDave: Oh, OK. I didn’t know. The original was my favorite of the series — edging out Conjunction Junction.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:17 amHow about they be allowed to calculate the fiscal impact based on reality, and not BS pie-in-the-sky numbers provided by a political party with a desire to see a particular answer, assumptions designed to arrive at the needed outcome. How damn hard would that be?
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:19 amJD: Bad news. The CBO will always get its numbers from one of the political parties. I hope you haven’t fallen into the fallacy that one party is pure and the other is not?
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:21 amMyron just does not want to talk about the details of how this tainted bill was put together. In the months leading up to it on this board he dodged debate on the obvious deficit implications of it, the same is true now, deflecting peoples’ attention to the CBO. What he is not doing is accepting that the leaders of his party told enormous, provable lies to the American public to get this bill passed.
Myron – You need to acknowledge that.
Where is the support for – If you are covered by insurance you can keep your doctor.
This will bend the cost curve down and similar statements.
daleyrocks (718861) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:22 amWhere did I mention a specific party, you disingenuous … Sorry. Note that I did not at all reference a specific party.
JD (3937c2) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:22 amMaybe I missed the nuance in your position?
JD: Maybe. That in fact, might be the problem. It’s been known to happen.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:22 amNuance sucks. Say what you mean.
JD (cdf423) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:26 amdaleyrocks: If you mean that I do not want to continually debate how a bill was put together when the bill is a done deal — you are correct.
To pretend that making a massive piece of legislation is tiddlywinks and sweetness and light, however, is silly to me. It’s an UGLY process making a bill. It’s UGLY. Deal with it. It did NOT just get UGLY for this bill. I guarantee you. Go back and read the history of how some of the great pieces of legislation came about. It’s deal-making, it’s salesmanship, it’s compromise. Feelings are going to get hurt. Geez Louise.
Some of you guys took that Schoolhouse Rock cartoon a little TOO seriously. It’s time to grow up.
“Politics ain’t bean bag.”
You think it was a tea party (of the Alice in Wonderland variety) when Bush II and his buddies rammed through the trillion-dollar tax cuts on reconciliation?
If there was some illegality going on, people can file charges. The constitutional issues can be addressed in court. Otherwise, well, keep whining I guess.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:31 amJD: I’m asking where do you expect the CBO to get numbers on a Congressional bill except from Congress? Even if you had an outside source hand over the numbers to the CBO, the source of those numbers will still come from the authors of the bill.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:34 amReally? A fraud? Then you should be sounding the alarm in Washington and not wasting time on this blog.
The point has been made that the CBO estimate uses double counting of alleged Medicare savings, (which may never materialize but in any case can’t be counted twice), for one egregious example. Congressman Ryan pointed it out in the “summit” with Obama. Did your hero Obama correct him?
Are you aware that Republicans have been pointing this and other problems with the CBO score for weeks now? If not then you’re in some liberal cocoon. If you are then you’re just another liberal congenital liar. Actually the answer is all of the above, as anyone who has read your posts can see.
By the way, why are you wasting time on this blog?
Gerald A (e55578) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:35 amAre you aware that Republicans have been pointing this and other problems with the CBO score for weeks now?
Gerald: I am aware. I am also aware that they have a partisan reason for questioning the numbers.
Give it time. One day you will see the GOP praising the CB0, and the Democrats criticizing the numbers.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:37 amIt’s deal-making, it’s salesmanship, it’s compromise.
What’s that got to do with anything? We’re talking about lying. You know lying. It’s what you do a lot of. Oh I see why you don’t want to talk about that.
Gerald A (e55578) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:38 amSo you just dismiss dishonest accounting because your side is doing it, in service of your goals?
JD (ce930c) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:40 amComment by Myron — 3/24/2010 @ 9:37 am
WHOA!! An evasive response from MYRON!! Combined with making things up. Whoda thunk it?
Gerald A (e55578) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:41 amMyron,
I don’t think the CBO can be fixed; not within today’s political climate. Unfortunately, I think the same goes for the Federal Government as a whole. I think the Congressional rating of 11% is a good indicator as to how the country feels about our leaders.
We (citizens) can try to effect change via the vote. But that only moves some players from the front seat to the sidelines (where much of the law is actually written). (This is also why I don’t think many of them really care about whether they are re-elected or not – they have their lifetime pension and can wield plenty of power from behind the curtain.)
I understand it sounds like whining from some quarters. I think you may not understand why there is such aggression and intolerance (on this site and across the country). For me, I see this ship is sinking (and I really, really hope that it is not the case). This started long before our current Administration; decades at least. So the current blame is really just a continuation of what our leaders have been doing (Bush shares the fault, as does Clinton, Bush Sr., etc. and Congresses present and past).
What is touted as progress is moving in a direction, yes; but not the right direction.
You wrote:
“There has been a fundamental shift: Americans will expect health care, regardless of income. They will see it as a right. That will not ever go away.”
That is the part that scares me the most. Health Care as a Right? No. Health Care is not now, nor ever can be a Right.
So I’m left with what to do? I feel like my vote won’t matter. Equally bad people will get in office and those leaving will work the sidelines.
I guess I can just accept that the government will take more from me and my family, and I will get less in return. And those that don’t work hard will get more from the government.
Call it whining; or call it defeatism.
Corwin (ea9428) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:44 amNuance sucks. Say what you mean.
JD: I was joking. As you said, there was nothing nuanced about my position. We just don’t agree. You think there is value in the continuing and humiliating pity party. I don’t.
I think your icon Reagan would be shaking his head at the prone position of his party right now, drifting without a rudder, with no policy ideas and rife with repeat violations of the 11th commandment.
Whether it all continues, I’m indifferent to that. I just hope that the GOP actually runs on repealing the bill. That’s something we all want for them to do.
On that note, I’m out.
Peace.
Myron (6a93dd) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:44 amMyron: Disagreeing is not whining. You seem to be the whining one, trying to get everyone to see and agree with your point of view. And your point of view is a vicious circle. Grow up!
And if that makes no sense, it’s as clear as what you are spouting.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:45 amI just hope that the GOP actually runs on repealing the bill.
Finally something Myron and I agree on!
Gerald A (e55578) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:46 am“daleyrocks: If you mean that I do not want to continually debate how a bill was put together when the bill is a done deal — you are correct.”
Myron – No, I meant what I said. You want to dodge the dishonesty of the leaders of your party in putting together and attempting to sell this bill to the American public. Luckily, a majority of them did not fall for it.
daleyrocks (718861) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:52 amThat’s not a good thing. In terms of rights, health care is just like any other service: if you can find someone willing to provide you that service at a price you want to pay, then you are free to do so. But you don’t have the right to force someone else to provide a service at a price he’s not willing to accept.
I have a right to eat food. No one would deny me that right. But no one is required to provide me with food.
The fact that many Americans now believe they have a right to be provided health care is a very ominous sign.
Some chump (c2555f) — 3/24/2010 @ 9:58 am..There’s a big, wide America out there, and I would wager Americans main concerns right now are getting or keeping their jobs…
They will wait to see how the bill affects them and watch the tweaks… Myron
Correct, they will see taxes go up, the price of insurance and everything else in healthcare go up over the next 4 -5 years with no visible benefits. They will get laid off because their employer can no longer afford to keep them on the payroll. They will anticipate going onto medicaid or some other govt. plan that will give them no choices.
I think Republicans in particular have not figured that maybe Americans are just tired of talking about health care period and won’t want to hear another several months of a GOp plan to replace one bill with another, and kick people off of care? – Myron
Maybe many politicians and MSM folks have not figured out that the American people are just tired of being lied to, like your straw man that the conservatives just “want to kick people off of care“.
Our local paper yesterday had a front page story on the anticipated changes to health care, the main source was the CEO of the local hospital/health system who basically said it was going to increase their costs and overhead on everything, and they would be in trouble if the general economy in the area did not pick up. And this is a health system that already supports (with financial and logistical help) a community non-profit that provides care for the uninsured. I doubt that is what the reporter expected to hear.
As far as the CBO score, as said before, just like a computer, garbage in, garbage out.
Myron you apparently didn’t see this on a previous thread, so I’m giving you another chance to respond:
61.We just have a fundamentally different view of what government’s role in health care should be, and it won’t be bridged.Comment by Myron
And just what is that role, if I may ask for clarification?
Do you think health care should be rationed by the federal government, de facto because of an overall limit of supply at least, if not by direct limitation of specific services?
Do you think the healthcare disparity in America should increase between those truly wealthy (or connected) and the rest of us?
Do you think pharmaceutical companies that bring new drugs to market should be financially penalized for it?
Do you think the further erosion of medicine as a profession will improve healthcare for anyone?
Do you trust a government clerk or administrator with no medical training to tell your doctor what to do?
Do you want doctors to worry about ordering too many tests, so that you don’t get the head CT since you’re the third person this month complaining of severe headaches?
Do you want many of the brightest students to decide to do something other than go into medicine?
I’m not sure if that is really your view of the government’s role in health care, but that’s what you are getting.
If you were thinking of ensuring that everyone would have access to the kind of health care you want for yourself and your family, I’m afraid you will be sadly mistaken (or you have very low expectations).
I say this as a doctor who saw patients whether they had insurance or not, whether they could pay or not, like a lot of doctors in decades past before medicare and medicaid came into being.
Remember, Medicare rejects services about twice as often as private insurers and is about to collapse under it’s own weight. Just how is giving that kind of system the reponsibility for even more people going to cost less and provide better care?
The liberal view is to have the government run it, whether it actually helps people or not. Apparently you are of the mindset that everybody (except the few) having a worse but equal outcome run by the government is better than a free system that provides better for everybody, but not necessarily equal, run by private citizens with the minimum government oversight as necessary.
I prefer systems that actually provide better services for the individuals involved, and other than a standing military, I don’t see where government does that.
MD in Philly (59a3ad) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:06 amOh, my bad, there is another place where the govt. does it better, enforcing the taking of personal earnings from the populace through the IRS, the one place that will be hiring over the next few years.
Taxing employment more, that’s the brilliant Obama plan to make up for the fact that a trillion dollars in pork made the economy worse off.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:23 amoh, this gets better and better. guess who is also exempt. muslim fundamentalists.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html
sorry, but how the f— is that constitutional?
A.W. (e7d72e) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:27 amAnd let’s not forget the genuinely RACIST tax on the use of tanning beds.
Just imagine if Bush passed a tax on hair straighteners.
Anonymous NYer (1dd84c) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:32 amYep, could not agree with you more, and that is what is so disgraceful — we have betrayed ourselves and our children. With over two centuries of change toward greatness, he have selfishly abandoned this hard and difficult course and chosen the security of less liberty; a sacrifice that will be mostly borne on our children.
Pons Asinorum (35b979) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:35 amGuess it is time to “come back and address the numbers”. The CBO explicitly states that its report is not based on a thorough examination of all pertinent language and legislation. This was largely ignored by the Democratic leadership:
From CBO (pdf)
From Bloomberg
From Atlantic
Pons Asinorum (35b979) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:46 amWe’ve been had.
Pons Asinorum (35b979) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:48 amPons-
They’ve been had… again.
We’ve known it all along, and it wasn’t hard to know it, either.
MD in Philly (59a3ad) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:56 amThanks for the correction MD, you are absolutely right.
Pons Asinorum (35b979) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:57 amMD, great question @69. Would love to see them answered in an honest fashion from an Obama supporter.
Pons Asinorum (35b979) — 3/24/2010 @ 10:59 amThe bond market shows reduced demand for bonds and higher rates paid.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/24/2010 @ 11:32 amPons-
MD in Philly (59a3ad) — 3/24/2010 @ 11:45 amMaybe I will post the same thing any time I see Myron post until he answers.
Knowing of our hosts affinity for Tom Lehrer, perhaps a little ‘National Brotherhood Week’ might be more appropriate in these times as those on the Right found themselves on the wrong side of history this week.
“Step up and shake the hand;
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 3/24/2010 @ 12:50 pmOf someone you can’t stand;
You can tolerate him if you try.” – Tom Lehrer
I’d be interested in what you think is an example of one of my “dishonest” narratives?
You claimed that the pollster commissioned by Kos was completely objective and non – partisan, respected by all of the other pollsters. You were proven conclusively wrong, yet failed to answer the many sources provided, preferring instead your usual MO of running away and hiding. You’re not only an intellectual coward, but a liar as well.
Dmac (ca1d8c) — 3/24/2010 @ 3:51 pmBecause signatures are at the end of posts, it is a challenging zig-zag experience to skip over the posts of the boring troll monopolizing the thread.
jodetoad (7720fb) — 3/24/2010 @ 7:05 pmWell, thank God that Myopic abandoned his threadjack long enough for Disco Stu to come along and bleat, “those on the Right found themselves on the wrong side of history this week.” If it wasn’t for him I would never have known that those who lose a vote in Congress wind up on the wrong side of history.
But then again, I should’ve known: what the nanny-state does on our behalf is ALWAYS right & just & good. Messers Pelosi & Reid are the good shepherds protecting their flock. How . . . DARE we decry their efforts to shield us from the insurance company wolves with their evil intent!
Icy Texan (6b0c6c) — 3/25/2010 @ 2:39 amAs for the video: proof-positive that, however annoying it might be to the ears and musical tastes of some listeners, it DOES take talent to rap successfully. Unfortunately, there is precious little talent displayed in the above parody; or, if you will, there is more talent shown in the writing (and even that is just o.k.) than in the performance.
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