The House is in Session (Updated x2)
[Guest post by DRJ]
You can watch it live on CSPAN, and NBC says this is today’s schedule:
– 1:00 pm ET: House comes in for 10 “ONE MINUTE” speeches.
– 1:20-ish: Debate on two “points of order” (i.e., objections) against the rule (having to do with budgetary impact). Each point gets 20 minutes debate.
– 2:15-ish: Vote on the POO’s
– 2:45-ish: Debate begin on the rule
– 4:00-ish: Vote on the rule
– 4:30-ish: Two-hour general health care debate begins
– 7:00-ish: Debate ends. Vote on the SENATE bill begins (This is where John Boehner has asked for a manual vote, which would take much longer than a normal electronic vote. He isn’t likely to get it, however.)
– 730-ish: Debate on a Republican “motion to recommit.” This is the Republicans’ best shot all day, a motion that would scuttle the whole thing. Substance is always a secret until last minute, but we can expect it to involve abortion in an effort to put the Stupak group on the spot.)
– 745-ish: Vote on motion to recommit
– 800-ish: If motion to recommit fails, then the final vote on reconciliation “fixes.”
– 830-ish: Gavel comes down on final vote. If it’s close, Dem leaders will extend the usual 15 minutes to twist arms.
The New York Times reports the vote on the Senate bill will be considered first, and the Reconciliation bill after that.
EDIT — Classic quote from Paul Ryan:
“This bill is the Mother of all unfunded mandates.”
Ryan also said a CBO reports that, by the time his preschool age children are 40, this unfunded entitlement will result in tax rates of 25% for lower income Americans, 63% for the middle class, and 88% on small businesses.
Louise Slaughter is managing the floor debate for the Democrats. Paul Ryan is managing it for the Republicans. It’s no contest.
— DRJ
UPDATE: The Hill believes the Democrats don’t have the votes:
“Hours before a scheduled vote on healthcare reform, Democratic leaders don’t have the votes.
The decisions of two Tennessee Democrats, Reps. John Tanner and Lincoln Davis, to vote no has put President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her lieutenants in a major bind.
If every member votes, Democratic leaders can only afford 37 defections. According to The Hill’s whip list, there are 39 Democrats planning to vote no.”
UPDATE 2: The Hill reports House Democrats must have some Stupak supporters to pass the Senate bill, and now Politico reports Stupak and the White House have reached a deal to pass health care. It will be announced in a few minutes.
they are ending up that late because they want to escape under the cover of darkness……
like that will do them any good.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:12 am“they are ending up that late because they want to escape under the cover of darkness……”
That and paul ryan just has to have his time to talk.
imdw (e66d8d) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:20 amnice of the moron to admit he’d silence those he disagrees with…. how liberal of him.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:29 amThis is Paul Ryan’s defining moment, much like Barack Obama’s moment at the 2004 Democratic Convention.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:30 amLouise Slaughter is managing the floor debate for the Democrats. Paul Ryan is managing it for the Republicans. It’s no contest.
When you say “no contest: is the no contest on substance or no contest on defeating the bill?
Joe (dd01fd) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:35 amJust remember: imdw has a one letter understanding of all issues. It’s all about the “D.” He’ll carry on that that isn’t so (and no doubt he was a concerned Christian Republican blah blah blah).
Fact is, he is the offspring of a reflexive partisan mated with an ADD troll.
But some folks like him or her.
Eric Blair (21af67) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:38 amWhy is that the left believes *their* anecdotal stories as hard evidence to pass the bill, but the Olga stories are nothing more than just that, anecdotal? The inconsistency is so disingenuous. (Two of Slaughter’s latest speakers each trotted out their personal anecdotal proofs).
Dana (1e5ad4) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:39 amJoe,
I meant on substance. I don’t think today’s debate will have any impact on the vote because members of Congress have already made up their minds. This is for the public’s benefit.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:40 amPaul Ryan, just now: This bill is a fiscal Frankenstein.
Dana (1e5ad4) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:42 amThe Republicans are requesting recorded votes rather than oral votes on procedural motions, which delays the proceedings while the votes are recorded. The NBC link opined the GOP would not engage in delaying tactics. It appears NBC was wrong.
It reminds me of football games where the opposing team calls repeated time-outs before a field goal attempt, to try to make the kicker nervous. I bet there are several Democratic members of Congress with nervous bladders today.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:44 amNothing But Cr@p is always wrong…..
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:46 amname one…..
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:47 amMoron…
AD - RtR/OS! (4c0b43) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:50 amIf the Stupak folks have really caved, then we need to turn all the dials to 11 until the elections. Full court press.
Included:
Kevin Murphy (3c3db0) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:51 amA Republican blood oath regarding repeal.Individual, state and organizational suits against any and all aspects of this turkey.Red States calling for a Constitutional Convention. Need 34, although they’ll repeal before that happens.A simultaneous demo in DC and in all major cities on April 15th. Tens of millions if possible. And/or a general strike.Organizing at the precinct level and swarming through every neighborhood before the election.No quarter to anyone who has ever supported this crap. They all go.Make 1968 look like a small disagreement.
so much for list html
Kevin Murphy (3c3db0) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:52 amI’ve updated the post with a report from The Hill that questions whether the Democrats currently have the votes to pass health care. Apparently the Tennessee delegation is resisting.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 10:57 am“This is Paul Ryan’s defining moment, much like Barack Obama’s moment at the 2004 Democratic Convention”
See I thought his defining moment was his vote on Medicare Part D.
imdw (8c921e) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:05 amIt might be for some, imdw, but I doubt it. How many Democrats avoided Obama because he voted Present in Illinois or began his Presidential campaign almost immediately after becoming a Senator?
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:09 amSlaughter just told Issa that there wouldn’t be any state-specific pork in the final bill, like the Cornhusker Kickback. Instead, she implied they would be changed by a manager’s amendment that would expand perks to multiple States. Issa responded that Americans aren’t that stupid.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:12 amred: “they are ending up that late because they want to escape under the cover of darkness……”
vs.
DRJ: “The Republicans are requesting recorded votes rather than oral votes on procedural motions, which delays the proceedings while the votes are recorded. The NBC link opined the GOP would not engage in delaying tactics. It appears NBC was wrong.”
imdw (e66d8d) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:12 am“How many Democrats avoided Obama because he voted Present in Illinois or began his Presidential campaign almost immediately after becoming a Senator?”
I wasn’t talking about Obama’s defining moment.
imdw (b6a6d9) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:14 amSince Medicare Part D was enacted in 2003 and Obama didn’t become a Senator until 2005, I hardly think that was his defining moment.
Some chump (36dbd5) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:15 am“…Instead, she implied they would be changed by a manager’s amendment that would expand perks to multiple States. Issa responded that Americans aren’t that stupid…”
But, that would send the bill back to the Senate for concurrance on the manager’s amendment, which would be subject to “extended debate”.
AD - RtR/OS! (4c0b43) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:20 amimdw:
Okay, but I was by making an analogy to compare the two.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:20 amnot having done something has never stopped Ear Leader from claiming to have.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:20 am…but, if The Hill is correct, and the Dems are two votes short, all of this is academic.
AD - RtR/OS! (4c0b43) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:21 am” Okay, but I was by making an analogy to compare the two.”
I was talking about Paul Ryan voting to create an entitlement program without a single cent of revenue to pay for it.
imdw (3ddf03) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:23 amMy comment from above:
The Republicans initiated a series of Parliamentary inquiries regarding why the Senate bill won’t have to be returned to the Senate for a further vote if it’s going to be amended by the House. The presiding House Speaker appeared to be at a loss to answer that. If the bill passes and the House tries to alter the pork outside of the Reconciliation Bill, this would be the basis for another legal challenge.
What this tells me is the Democratic leaders don’t think the Reconciliation Bill will pass both the House and the Senate.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:28 amBy the way, California’s Darrell Issa is the GOP floor manager for this portion of the debate.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:29 amEvil succeeds when good people do nothing. Perhaps enough good people have done something for Providence to step in and convict the hearts and minds of enough people who had intended to vote for this great evil. But I remain very trepidacious about the possible outcome.
John Hitchcock (f974b7) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:41 amSee what I mean about Posting Only To Troll? POTTs like imdw are responsible for global warming!
Eric Blair (21af67) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:42 amJesse Jackson, Jr., the presiding House Speaker, is unable to answer the GOP’s Parliamentary inquiries and is attempting to cut off debate because time has expired. The House is now voting on a Point of Order (POO) that will lead to debate on the health care bill itself.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:44 am“The House is now voting on a Point of Order (POO) that will lead to debate on the health care bill itself.”
And one republican has broken ranks to vote yes.
imdw (e66d8d) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:48 am“And one republican has broken ranks to vote yes.”
And their yeah vote is gone now.
imdw (e66d8d) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:53 amIf this monstrously evil bill gets voted down, what happens then? Is it still open for conference committee? Do they have to start all over? I don’t know the rigamarole involved. That is, if this evil in our time fails.
John Hitchcock (f974b7) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:53 amI added Update 2. The White House and Stupak have reached a deal to pass health care.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:55 amIf that’s the case, Stupak just torched himself. His integrity will be done for good. And at what cost?
John Hitchcock (f974b7) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:58 amIt is assinine that such a huge policy change depends on back room deals to twist the arms of a few.
But then, it was assinine to elect someone for president who had accomplished so little, except he knew how to deliver a “pie-in the sky” speech with the best of them.
Just imagine what things would be like if the media outlets covered Paul Ryan’s making sense as much as the deception from Obama and company…but that would be responsible and common sense reporting.
MD in Philly (59a3ad) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:58 amI bet the half-life on any abortion Executive Order will be measured in weeks.
DRJ (daa62a) — 3/21/2010 @ 11:58 am“This is Paul Ryan’s defining moment, much like Barack Obama’s moment at the 2004 Democratic Convention.”
Big Zero’s “moment” was more like Mario Cuomo’s “moment” at the ’84 DNC convention.
GeneralMalaise (20e943) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:00 pmmy informed suspicion is that a good portion of these so called “news flashes” are simply psy-ops by the dems and their lackeys in the MFM to build a sense of inevitability and shore up any wavering “yes” votes…..
IOW, they’re the equivalent of a post by im a dim wit or one of the other house morons here.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:02 pmIf they are smart (all right, I know, it is Leftists we are talking about, so it is a bit of a stretch), they will start over with small, concise bills that work on the margins on elements of the problem that both sides can agree on: such as interstate insurance and malpractice tort reform.
“Comprehensive” bills will not be tolerated on this subject, just as it was not tolerated on immigration during the GWB years, and won’t be downstream.
It is time (well past, probably) for the Federal Government to clean up its’ act, and to make the programs they already have on their plate effective and affordable.
AD - RtR/OS! (4c0b43) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:03 pmMake the Indian Health Service something to be proud of.
Make the Veterans Health Care something that is not the punch-line in barracks humor.
Remove the fraud and waste in Medicare/Medicaid.
Stop subsidizing farmers – the Dust Bowl is over, as is the age of the “family farm”.
alleged text of the abortion EO.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:04 pmTruly “Alice in Wonderland” to see people repeatedly look to the “success” of Social Security and Medicare as precedent for this new bill, as both are about to melt down.
As of now, the last legitimate pro-life Democrat, in my opinion, was Casey the Gov., and they would not let him speak.
Making deals with Obama the infanticide president in order to pass an otherwise horrendous bill.
I wish each state had it’s elections on different days, so I could see how many different places I could meet residency requirements to vote (legally).
MD in Philly (59a3ad) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:05 pmWait a minute. Did imdw actually just quote herself or himself? That’s either lazy or surreal.
Eric Blair (21af67) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:05 pmFLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing….
GeneralMalaise (20e943) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:16 pmIs imdw a liberal or a progressive?
nk (87090a) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:19 pmnk, it depends on which day of the week it is.
Dana (1e5ad4) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:20 pmNow the Stupak bloc is calling this bill pro-life. Thank you GOP for not making a deal and being on the wrong side of history.
imdw (8f8ead) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:20 pmIt’s a moronic troll!
AD - RtR/OS! (4c0b43) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:21 pmThe feed on Stupak’s announcement was choppy, but I think he is content with some executive order or the promise thereof.
Trusting the life of “punishing” infants to an executive order by Obama?
Maybe Stupak hasn’t had enough sleep.
If this passes, it will be like watching some horrendous disaster in slow motion. You don’t know why you can’t just reach out and stop it.
MD in Philly (59a3ad) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:30 pmimadouchebag’s rote responses prove beyond a doubt regarding his absence of any coherent or cognizant thought processes.
Dmac (ca1d8c) — 3/21/2010 @ 12:57 pmAgain, Dmac…think about why imdw posts, not what. POTT.
Eric Blair (21af67) — 3/21/2010 @ 1:35 pmInstead, she implied they would be changed by a manager’s amendment that would expand perks to multiple States
Anyone want to bet how many of those states are ones that have Republican Senators?
Kevin Murphy (3c3db0) — 3/21/2010 @ 2:06 pmJust need to bail-out Maine’s upside-down State Health-Care System – there’s two votes.
AD - RtR/OS! (4c0b43) — 3/21/2010 @ 3:12 pm