Plane Crashes Into Austin Building (Updated x4)
[Guest post by DRJ]
A small airplane crashed today into a Northwest Austin, Texas, office building — home to offices of the Internal Revenue Service and other federal agencies — in what appears to be a deliberate act:
“A Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said the crash, at the Echelon 1 building in the 9400 block of Research Boulevard, was “apparently a criminal act” and that in such a case the FBI would be the lead investigating agency rather than the National Transportation Safety Administration.
“The NTSB investigates accidents,” said Paul Turk, assistant director of public affairs for the FAA.”
An IRS worker is missing and at least two persons were injured. Reports indicate the pilot was 53-year-old software engineer Joseph Andrew Stack:
“A federal official confirmed for the Statesman that the tail number of the Piper Cherokee plane is registered to a plane owned by Joseph Andrew Stack, the private plane pilot whose nearby home was on fire at roughly the same time.”
Fox News reports the Austin fire department responded to a fire at Stack’s home today:
“MyFoxAustin.com reported earlier Thursday that Austin firefighters responded to a house fire at a home believed to be Stack’s. Firefighters reported that the entire house was engulfed in flames, including the fence, when they arrived on the scene.
Neighbors said they heard a loud explosion in the house Thursday morning and allegedly pulled two females, believed to be Stack’s wife and daughter, out of the house, according to MyFoxAustin.”
The Austin American-Statesman reports Stack, who listed addresses in San Marcos and Austin, may have left a lengthy internet note (reprinted in part at the link). The note rails against corruption, financial schemes, government, and IRS Tax Code Section 1706 and concludes:
“I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010”
President Obama was briefed on the incident as he flew from Washington, D.C., to Colorado to attend a fundraising event. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs has assured Americans “the crash does not appear to be terrorism.”
— DRJ
UPDATE: The Austin Fire Department recoveredand identified two bodies in the building. One of them was the pilot and presumably the other was the missing federal employee.
UPDATE 2 — A later report indicates Stack’s wife and daughter [EDIT: Apparently she is his step-daughter; See Update 3] were not home when their home burned:
“Neighbors said they heard a loud noise that sounded like a car crash at about 9:15 a.m. and soon saw flames coming from house.
Neighbor Elbert Hutchins said he ran to the house while calling 911 and saw flames coming out of an upstairs window. Soon he saw a woman and a girl drive up in a car.
Neighbors believe that was Stack’s wife and daughter, who is about 12 years old.
The two are now believed to be in a neighbor’s house being assisted by the Red Cross. When reporters went to the door, an FBI agent answered.
A Red Cross spokewoman would only say they are assisting two people who are “remarkably calm, clearly distraught.” She said they are “physically fine.”
If the early facts are as reported, what a sad and cruel heritage to bequeath to your own child.
UPDATE 3: An Austin American-Statesman reporter knew and played in a band with Stack and knew his wife and step-daughter.
UPDATE 4: The missing IRS worker is Vernon Hunter. Stack’s wife expresses her sorrow and sympathy.
The Houston Chronicle adds more on Stack’s tax problems.
When initial reports stated that the plane took off from Waco, I was ready to blame Baylor.
AD - RtR/OS! (2215b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 11:59 amThen, when it was clear that Federal offices were the probable target, it must have been Bush’s fault.
But now, reports say that in his screed, Stack railed against Bush (among others); so,
Who can I blame now?
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs has assured Americans “the crash does not appear to be terrorism.”
So is this not domestic terrorism, or not international terrorism or is just another everyday person caused disaster?
tyree (b24e28) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:01 pmJust asking…
AD - RtR/OS! (2215b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:05 pmHow far down the Presidential Succession List do you have to go to find someone who is able to generate confidence in their leadership?
Robert Glib is correct: it doesn’t “appear” to terrorism, it IS terrorism.
he’s a moron w*rking for an idiot.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:06 pm#4: add “be” where its missing…. DOH!
#3: you’d have to pencil my name in somewhere. “A chicken in every BBQ and a beer refrigerator in every garage!”
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:09 pmComment by redc1c4 — 2/18/2010 @ 12:09 pm
Thanks, Herb. But you’re still not on the list.
AD - RtR/OS! (2215b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:20 pmAnyone taking bets on when the Tea Partiers will get blamed for this?
roy (a1e331) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:22 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100218/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_crash_texas
I guess my note in the “Taxing until no is left” thread was more right on than I thought.
Maybe cogitate on the plane hitting the building where an IRS office is in Austin, TX. May the peasants be revolting and willing to take out their government tormentors with them?
Anyone want to draw the parallel with the scene in The Godfather Part 2 where Michael Corleone comments upon a rebel using a grenade to kill himself and a Cuban Major at a check point?
I wonder how many government tormentors or Liberal Cultists have to be taken out before they realize this Socialist Government agenda has gone too far?
Comment by PCD — 2/18/2010 @ 11:39 am
PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:26 pmI wonder how many government tormentors or Liberal Cultists have to be taken out before they realize this Socialist Government agenda has gone too far?
All of them, they have no learning curve, just look at Cuba & NoKorea the only “cure” for leftist fascism is death.
Smitty (4d8a5b) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:32 pmi expect the left to start blaming the right for this in 3… 2… 1…
But in fact he is kind of mismash of attitudes on the left and the right. I guess its that kind of moronic convergence you get where David Duke and Cindy Sheehan agree, or something.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:35 pmI don’t like the IRS either. But this person really a lot didn’t like the IRS.
I hope people don’t get their planes taken away.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 12:38 pmIt was just a lost soul. Should I ever want to commit the sin of suicide I pray to God to help me from adding murder.
nk (db4a41) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:00 pmalso your title is a little passive voicey, no?… cause of the on purposeness… Man Slams Plane Into IRS Office is more better I think.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:01 pmAnyone taking bets on when the Tea Partiers will get blamed for this?
Less than one hour, by most indications. I’m not going to link to those a–holes, but Kos of course is their ever – loyal Johnny on the Spot.
Dmac (799abd) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:06 pmBecause it was a liberal “this is not terrorism”. I would bet my life that if a Tea partier, or even one of the Ron Paul psychos who pretend to be Tea party protesters, merely threatened to do this kind of thing, it would instantly be identified (accurately) as terrorism.
I am tired of this years long trend of pretending terrorism isn’t what it is. They can present the message truthfully. I realize I am more at risk of a car accident and that we shouldn’t panic, even though terror from Ayers-like losers and anti-Bush anti-Iraq war commies will always be a problem.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:08 pmbtw, i could throw something to hear “there is no evidence of terrorism.” but to be fair, i heard that idiocy repeated during the bush years. bush himself, to his credit, tamped down that silliness during the DC sniper thing saying, more or less, well maybe its not related to al qaeda, but it is still terrorism.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:11 pmYeah, the “this is not terrorism” was a constant annoyance going long back before Obama’s crew.
It’s just dishonest and disrespectful of the people. The Austin Chief droned on about it, and he’s basically saying that we can’t handle the obvious. like if he admits this was an act of domestic terror, or even simply ignores that aspect, we’ll all riot.
When they exclaim, dramatically, “this clearly isn’t terrorism. There’s no evidence from a police perspective bla bla bla” they are hyping this thing when they probably mean to do the opposite. It would be better to just state the bare facts “plane hit here, X people are hurt, X dead, motive appears to be X or is unknown, fire will be out in X hours”.
Instead, they act afraid of reality. Terrorized.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:21 pmI think it’s creepy how his plane was named after one of Sarah Palin’s kids.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:29 pm#18 Yeah your weak-ass reply was exactly right except for one small detail about the Piper Aircraft Co. being founded in the 1920’s and more or less created civil aviation in this country.
But hey, you got a nice cheat shot in at Gov. Palin and her family so good for you. Now please stfu and go back the the Daily Kos or Dem Underground sewer where your “edgy satire” is welcomed.
mike d (6c5cd9) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:41 pmIt’s kind of a woman thing to want “a place for everything and everything in its place”. It’s kind of a man thing that nothing is certain, and we’ll deal with uncertainties as they come up, and we’ll deal with the result of dealing with them too, and we don’t mind any other number of uncertainties hanging around the corner.
And we don’t sweat the small stuff.
nk (db4a41) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:42 pmhow DARE you!!!!!!
Just kidding. But that was a groaner.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:44 pmmy 21 was obviously directed at Happyfeet’s attempted joke, which frankly is beneath happyfeet standards I am accustomed to.
KOS is still rolling 100 mph down the “this proves everything about those teabaggers” theme. LOL, as if this isn’t much, much more like Bill Ayers than Sarah Palin. Barack Obama is friends with people like Joe Stack, and a lot of KOS kiddies don’t really have a problem with that.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:47 pmMike, hf is one of the good guys, so chill.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:51 pmmaybe i’m missing somethings, but the recurring refrain in his screed was how he was always losing his “retirement”, yet here he is, crashing his personal aircraft into a building….
not to many broke people own a house, let alone a house and a plane. what a whiny little POS he must have been, and what a self-centered POS he was to go out this way. i hope they bury him in the city landfill.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:53 pmComment by mike d — 2/18/2010 @ 1:41 pm
I think that you have to give a great deal of credit to Curtis, Boeing, Lockheed, and Douglas for America’s civil aviation legacy.
AD - RtR/OS! (2215b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:54 pmBut Piper, and Beech, certainly were instrumental in the creation of General Aviation.
Oh, and if this kind of news has you down, I recommend a teaspoon of Rock Sugar to get you through the day.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:56 pmsorry mike I was just kidding I’m sorry
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 1:59 pmObviously a very whiny person. His incoherent screed is just absolutely selfish and self important.
You have to be pretty freaking selfish to make your daughter or wife homeless just to make some statement. Or to kill some random IRS temp worker because Congress or the Administration made decisions you didn’t like.
Selfish whiny liberal. Granted, most selfish whiny liberals have far more moral character and don’t deserve to be lumped in with Bill Ayers or Joe Stack or their friends Rev Wright and Barack Obama. But we should point out that liberal terrorism is on the rise. They are “getting in our faces” and “punching back twice as hard”.
ACORN, SEIU, Stack, Ayers, Rev Wright… they are all much bolder since Nov 2008. While Obama should have been laughed off the stage for endorsing Ayers’s book or taking kids to Wright’s hatecamp, instead people said they were cool with all that.
all because they are whiny little POSs.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:05 pmanother observation: the target was the “Echelon 1 building”.
maybe this really was a terrorist attack on the secret NSA HQ for the “Echelon” intercept program?
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:07 pmI don’t always agree with happyfeet, but jeez! does everything need that *sarc* tag applied to it? Come on, it’s FUNNIER when you do it deadpan.
Having said that, in this particular case it wasn’t really funny. Sorry, ‘feet.
Icy Texan (e323e4) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:08 pmThe punchline maybe could have used a reference to guacamole, methinks.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:10 pmI feel like I let you all down.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:10 pmWhat, now you’re making fun of people with down’s?
WHEN DOES IT END?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:11 pmGuys, its domestic terrorism.
there is no humor about this. not yet at least.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:30 pmWell, there isn’t, until you bring Gibbs into it.
Or is that more of just head-shakenly sad?
Anyone know what Baghdad Bob is doing?
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AD - RtR/OS! (2215b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:33 pmAW, while you’re right, this is sad, I think it’s also pathetic. I’m not afraid of these assholes. My wife will go by this building in about 30 minutes on her way home and I am more worried about the traffic.
I feel really sorry for this guy’s family, and that one missing person and the few injured, but ultimately, live is good and we might as well laugh it up a bit. I’m angry and wish this kind of liberal was not encouraged by today’s political theater, but there will always, always be these kinds of people.
And I believe the best way to prevent copycats is to make this kind of thing a point of humor.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:36 pmAside from his Palin snark, Feets is teh awesome.
Dmac (799abd) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:39 pmBishop, now Stack? I look forward to the next few years with Obozo in office.
Moonbats are going nuts!
Teetop (1f1551) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:55 pm“The Austin American-Statesman reports Stack, who listed addresses in San Marcos and Austin, may have left a lengthy internet note (reprinted in full at the link). The note rails against corruption, financial schemes, government, and IRS Tax Code Section 1706 . . . .”
The “IRS Tax Code”, a.k.a., title 26 of the U.S. Code, does not contain a section 1706.
Kneave Riggall (06ce17) — 2/18/2010 @ 2:57 pmIt seems like Teh Narrative on this is to associate this guy with the TeaBaggers.
JD (3399c0) — 2/18/2010 @ 3:01 pmThank you Mr. Dmac. And Hadlowe.
OT: Did dirty socialist Associated Press hoochie Jeannine Aversa actually write a whole article today about Fed tightening without mentioning the word inflation?
I think she did.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 3:17 pmdirty socialist Associated Press propaganda hoochie I meant
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/18/2010 @ 3:18 pmThe local NBC media lady reporting from the scene is easy on the eyes.
I just noticed that if you watch the nightly news with the sound off, it is far more tolerable.
JD (2228b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 3:44 pmI don’t feel terrorized in the least.
nk (db4a41) — 2/18/2010 @ 4:05 pmAt 12:26 pm, PCD left a comment calling government employees “tormentors” and said they and liberals should be killed.
At 12:32 pm, Smitty agreed that liberals should be killed, comparing American liberals and government office workers to fascists, the Cuban regime, and the North Korean regime.
What was it that SEK was saying about the relationship between some ideologies, rhetoric of violence, and incidents of violence? I can’t quite remember…
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 5:21 pmIf rhetoric caused violence Mr. Smily then MSNBC alone would have slaughtered millions by now to say nothing of NPR hate radio.
happyfeet (713679) — 2/18/2010 @ 5:30 pmHe didn’t use a bomb and he didn’t kill anyone, so I guess foxnews won’t call him a “homicide bomber”
imdw (b75942) — 2/18/2010 @ 5:31 pmFox News is not the topic, imdw. What the $%^& is the matter with you, &*%^head?
nk (db4a41) — 2/18/2010 @ 5:38 pmAsked and Answered, Counselor – asked and answered, by you.
AD - RtR/OS! (2215b9) — 2/18/2010 @ 5:41 pmWhat the $%^& is the matter with you, &*%^head?
It’s not his head in question – he took an ice cream enema yesterday, in order to clear out his 24/7 constipated thinking. It’s still working its way through his colon, all the way up to his cranial cavity.
Dmac (799abd) — 2/18/2010 @ 6:31 pmI think the Georgetown airport is still shut down. They found a bomb in his car.
Dude had half a million dollars worth of property, that I know of, and he tried to blow it all up over a $10,000 tax bill?
Occam says he’s just an idiot self centered kook communist, but this is a very strange motivation to kill yourself (going from .5 mill wealth to .49).
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 6:50 pmAnd reading his little note, it’s clear he favored a higher level of taxation and a communist economic system and was angry about a particular aspect of taxes that he felt targeted him unfairly.
In no way do I see how he’s a right winger or a TEA partier. He doesn’t argue for lower government spending or lower taxes generally; just one provision pisses him off.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 6:52 pmNPR this afternoon was reporting that Stack’s manifesto eneded with the “pound of flesh” statement.
It did not. It ended with the “Communist” (his word) catchphrase “From each according to his abilities…” contrasted to a supposed “Capitalist” (his word) version, one that was clearly derogatory to capitalism.
NPR lies. Google it.
sherlock (e1e91e) — 2/18/2010 @ 6:53 pmOne thing is, I know there are some TEA party kooks out there. Goes without saying, since there’s really no filter. It’s pure grassroots, including a few weeds. If we invest a lot of time in proving this guy isn’t TEA party, we’re not only being defensive about the wrong thing (not discussing the principle of sustainable spending and less intrusion), but we could easily lose the argument next week.
So this guy was a liberal, probably an Obama voter. Doesn’t really matter that much when deciding what policies are right or wrong.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 7:18 pmComment by imdw — 2/18/2010 @ 5:31 pm
Correction: It appears he killed two people. And people on this thread were suporting this (as imdw mentioned). Scary.
I didn’t realize that those people who are trying to earn a living by working for the IRS were your mortal enemies.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:08 pmI updated the post with confirmation that the bodies of the pilot and another person were recovered in the building, and also to link a report about Stack’s wife and daughter.
DRJ (6a8003) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:09 pmI love how the liberals in this thread point to people saying that these terrorists deserve to die, and say that’s support for the terrorists.
Idiots.
Few are saying the left has to own this guy’s deeds, even though he’s a leftist, because we think the principle of sustainable spending policy wins without hate tactics. but the left wants the TEA party to own this communist.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:18 pmThe updated link doesn’t appear to say they actually identified the missing person, but I guess it’s pretty obvious who it is.
This is only a couple miles from a nuclear reactor and a railgun research facility. Thank God this psycho only killed one person, but I bet that’s not a whole lot of comfort for his family.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:21 pmDustin.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:21 pmThis guy is not a communist. He is a right wing extremist. That you don’t recognize this is not surprising; you should spend more time looking at what your cohorts actually believe.
LOL, like I give a shit about some pathetic troll like that.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:24 pmCorrection: It appears he killed two people. And people on this thread were suporting this (as imdw mentioned). Scary.
I didn’t realize that those people who are trying to earn a living by working for the IRS were your mortal enemies.
Comment by Intelliology — 2/18/2010 @ 8:08 pm
Just which people on this thread were supporting this, you filthy little queer?
nk (db4a41) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:25 pmUpdate 3 has a link to a story by an Austin American-Statesman reporter who knew Joe Stack.
DRJ (6a8003) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:29 pm“ACORN, SEIU, Stack, Ayers, Rev Wright”
Classic.
imdw (89ba95) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:33 pmLet me repeat something I said on another thread about an insane Obama supporter.
Insane people do insane things for insane reasons.
Trying to win political points on insane actions is somewhat self-limiting. Unless, of course, you’re insane. Scary.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:40 pmnk, why bother? He knows he’s saying the opposite of the truth to piss people off. It’s stupid.
I see a guy calling for the end of capitalism and praising communism and hating Bush while demonizing capitalism But you don’t see the right trying to make hay out of this bloodshed like some lowlife perverted terrorist.
Obama was a marxist and praised a communist domestic terrorist, and the fact that this didn’t end his political prospects has emboldened the psychos a bit.
But really, the TEA party is just tired of how he’s getting in the way of capitalism. We are tired of liberals demonizing capitalism as evil and getting in the way of our life and prosperity. We don’t need to pretend all liberals are akin to this psycho.
“ACORN, SEIU, Stack, Ayers, Rev Wright”
All liberals. All psychos. All demonize Capitalism. It is actually classic by now. Even the trolls here obviously recognize the truth, and that’s reflected in their over-the-top attack (such as claiming wanting liberal terrorists to die is support for terrorists).
But it simply isn’t necessary to have this argument. It’s a cheap trick to change the subject, generally, from whether Obama/democrats are spending too much and deserves to lose elections, to whether the ‘teabaggers’ are killers.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:44 pm#64 put it better.
Trying to score points by substituting terrorists for policies is pathetic.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:45 pm“I see a guy calling for the end of capitalism and praising communism and hating Bush while demonizing capitalism But you don’t see the right trying to make hay out of this bloodshed like some lowlife perverted terrorist.”
Not just a guy. A small business owning tax-crank. Also he was a bass player.
imdw (017d51) — 2/18/2010 @ 8:52 pmTo be expected, the LAT suggests this rhetoric and anger resembles none other than tea party members who are similarly angry and malcontents:
Yet it’s also striking how much his rhetoric resembles that of a very powerful political movement in the United States: the “tea party” crew.
He portrays himself as a hardworking engineer beaten down by an overreaching government “full of hypocrites from top to bottom.” He’s mad at the government’s failure to follow the “principles” of the Founding Fathers, at the federal stimulus that bailed out rich bankers but not the likes of him, and at the failure of politicians to represent his views. The one discordant note from what otherwise sounds like a symphony of Palinism is his complaint about the healthcare system; unlike movement conservatives, he appears to be angry about the failure of reform.
Tea Party nutjob written all over him. Right.
Dana (1e5ad4) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:00 pmWhat I see, be it Mao or Ayers or Hitler or any other extreme psycho, is that they tend to really, really hate capitalism. And a lot of these people are called right wingers. Of course, a lot of liberals think Dan Rather is a right winger, too. It’s one of those vague things. I believe in John Locke style individual freedom to pursue property (happiness). A lot of so-called liberals are simply not familiar enough with this kind of thing to realize that Stack or Mao or whoever is not a “right winger”. They are probably nodding their heads when CNN complains that the TEA party isn’t about anything… they honestly don’t get it.
I know I can’t win an argument with someone like imdw, who wants to use the blood of terror victims to score some kind of point. How could someone win an argument with someone who would argue the opposite of what he already knows until he’s blue in the face?
It’s stupid. Any day now some terrorist might wind up supporting capitalism. Insane people killing innocents do not provide insight into policy arguments. imdw thinks he’s being hilarious, but what a soul.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:10 pm“I know I can’t win an argument with someone like imdw, who wants to use the blood of terror victims to score some kind of point. How could someone win an argument with someone who would argue the opposite of what he already knows until he’s blue in the face?”
You’re not alone in your pitch. Scott brown is trying to ride that commie wave too:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/02/not_ready_for_prime_time.php?ref=fpblg
imdw (017d51) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:15 pm“Just which people on this thread were supporting this, you filthy little queer [sic]?”
“May the peasants be revolting and willing to take out their government tormentors with them?…
I wonder how many government tormentors or Liberal Cultists have to be taken out before they realize this Socialist Government agenda has gone too far?”
“All of them, they have no learning curve, just look at Cuba & NoKorea the only “cure” for leftist fascism is death.”
I found two pretty quickly, you pathetic homophobe.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:16 pm“Insane people killing innocents do not provide insight into policy arguments.”
This is why I thought this:
“ACORN, SEIU, Stack, Ayers, Rev Wright”
was such a classic.
imdw (017d51) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:18 pmI think Happyfeet’s comment was perfect – he chronicled the absurd circus that is going to take place with the misplaced facts
sometimes I think he is miles ahead of us
most of the times I think he is batsh*t crazy
then sometimes I ponder if its both 🙂
EricPWJohnson (a8ea04) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:19 pmI even pointed them out earlier, and no one here felt any need to say anything about them, except to pass off some vague blame onto NPR and MSNBC for some imagined hate speech rather than address actual hate speech directly in front of them.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:20 pmDana’s right that the real story is how the media wants to play some kind of propaganda game while the building is still smoldering.
Conveniently, they don’t want you to actually read his screed, where he goes on forever about the IRS without actually complaining that taxation is generally too high, but rather mad only about how a policy affects him personally. Of course, since he calls for a system with higher taxation, it’s obvious a game is being played.
imdw, you already know that my point is that the right can point to SEIU thugs or this particular liberal psycho and prove that this little game of ‘look at which side is the ugliest’ favors the right in this instance, but it’s just not relevant to policy points.
You built a straw man and even got the initial point precisely backwards, but you did that because you want a lot of attention. That’s how you see tragedies like this: as opportunities for attention.
Yeah, this guy was a flaming liberal. You know it. It’s not relevant to whether liberalism is good or bad, though, so I don’t care. SEIU, ACORN, etc are full of people who belong in prison, but that’s a separate issue from whether our deficit is too high.
Smily, you quote examples of people opposing terrorism and pointing out that that kind of insanity can’t be reasoned with and deserves death, and impliedly say that’s support of terrorism. It isn’t.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:24 pmI’m not familiar with Scott Brown’s wave-riding, but I would say, in a general sense, that Communism is not a good thing.
If Brown is against it, that is a good thing. Unless I missed the memo. Is Communism good now?
So, I click on the TPM link expecting paper-waving hyperbole about Communists in the Army and lo, and behold, Brown never mentions Communists.
He does mention people frustrated with the IRS, but I don’t think that’s Red-baiting. Let’s review. Brown said:
And I don’t know if it’s related, but I can just sense not only in my election, but since being here in Washington, people are frustrated. They want transparency, they want their elected officials to be accountable and open and talk about the things that are affecting their daily lives.
Whoa, wait a minute. Now I see. Asking for elected officials to be accountable to their voters is riding the commie wave. Or something.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:32 pmNo, Dustin, I quote two examples of people expressing sympathy with murdering innocent people because they happen to be government workers or liberals.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:33 pm“He does mention people frustrated with the IRS, but I don’t think that’s Red-baiting.”
I know. You’re going to have to ask Dustin whats up with the commie stuff.
imdw (8f8ead) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:38 pmI guess I should be pleased with the propaganda effort. This dude is so provably a liberal that it’s just going to blow up in their faces and discredit further attempts to call Teapartiers psycho time-bomb racists.
ag80, it’s no surprise imdw posted a link and was lying about it. He’s clever enough a troll not to make strong arguments. He wants to change the subject away from this tragedy and onto how evil conservatives are, and it’s easier to do that if debunking him = low hanging fruit.
Dana’s right, this is all about how the media is spinning this into a whirlwind of TEA party hate. We’ll see how that goes for them.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:39 pm“So, I click on the TPM link expecting paper-waving hyperbole about Communists in the Army and lo, and behold, Brown never mentions Communists.”
Are you being deliberately obtuse here, or do you really not see any problem with Scott Brown, in the wake of the attempted mass murder of innocent government workers for political reasons, emphasizing that people have grievances against the government?
The only effect this can have–because most people have grievances against the government, though thankfully few resort to murder to redress them–is to justify violence against the government.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:43 pmSmily, Scott Brown is proof enough that if you really want to fight the problem in government, you can do so without violence.
And he’s very clear on that.
I don’t think AG80 is being obtuse. He wasn’t “riding the anti communist wave” whatever that means. I’m amused that liberals think this liberal killing people is a reason for everyone liberals don’t agree with to shut up about politics. Of course people have grievances about their government. This pissant terrorist is just not relevant to that discussion, pro or con GOP or Dem. In this case, he’s a commie, but who cares? He’s really just a psycho whose opinions aren’t worth paying attention to.
don’t play into his game and tell people we have to respect the occasion.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:50 pmNo, Smily, I wasn’t being obtuse.
It seems to me that Scott Brown was saying that people have problems with the government and are frustrated.
I didn’t see him saying anything about justifying the actions of an insane person.
Here, let me repeat at what I said at 68:
Let me repeat something I said on another thread about an insane Obama supporter.
Insane people do insane things for insane reasons.
Trying to win political points on insane actions is somewhat self-limiting. Unless, of course, you’re insane. Scary.
Please explain to me precisely where I said anyone should resort to violence against the government.
If people have grievances against the government, they should vote.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/18/2010 @ 9:57 pmI see that dimwit and idiotology have a new mendoucheous friend in “smily”, yet another lying dishonest crapweasel.
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:00 pm“And he’s very clear on that.”
This was Scott Brown’s “yes but” moment.
As I noted, many people have grievances, legitimate and otherwise, with the government.
The appropriate time to discuss those grievances is not immediately after, and during a discussion of, the murder and attempted mass murder of innocent government workers.
Put another way: many Arabs have legitimate grievances against their governments, which are invariably dictatorial, incredibly repressive, inept at meeting the socioeconomic needs of their people, and, in many cases, close security partners with the U.S. The appropriate time to discuss those grievances was not immediately after a fanatical band of Arabs murdered thousands of innocent people for reasons that were, at best, tangentially related to the grievances of Arabs.
Appropriate points of discussion for Brown might have included things like condolences for those killed and hurt and condemnation of violence against government workers for political reasons. Brown chose instead to give his “yes but” answer. Yes, he said, this is tragic, but, we should remember, plenty of people have legitimate grievances against the government…” so, what, government workers had better watch out? Stack was crazy but the next guy’s violence will be legitimate? Etc.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:01 pm“I’m amused that liberals think this liberal killing people is a reason for everyone liberals don’t agree with to shut up about politics.”
Maybe I missed the meeting in which the Liberal Synod decreed that hating on the IRS was now part of the Liberal Orthodoxy?
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:02 pmThe IRS is gay.
happyfeet (713679) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:06 pmI shall resume my efforts at ignoring dishonest lying little f*cks like smiley who hate hate hate and lie lie lie. Good Allah, they are tiresome.
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:07 pmwhich one of them said “The reality is, Bush let 9/11 happen.”?
While I think it was imdw, it may have been intell. but in reality, it doesn’t matter. 9/11 is an example of right wing terrorism. Global Warming snowfall is an example of right wing terrorism. Protesting against terrorists is an example of right wing terrorism. Scott Brown saying something banal is right wing terrorism. Sarah Palin not having an abortion is obviously right wing terrorism, but surprisingly, Andrew Sullivan whining about it is also right wing terrorism.
None of that riff raff insanity matters, except that it’s very reminiscent of the paranoid ‘they’re all out there to get me” mindset that is motivating a lot of ugliness and tragedy.
Y’all nuts who think every tragedy proves how evil the right is… you guys need to get help. Maybe from family? Maybe Jesus? A bottle of scotch?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:07 pmUnfortunately, Facebook seems to have removed it, but very shortly after Stack murdered, and attempted to mass murder, innocent government workers, fans of his put together a Facebook fan page for Stack. It had attracted hundreds of fans before being pulled. The photo picked for the page was the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag so popular among the liberals leftists communists ye olde tyme American revolutionaries Tea Partiers.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:07 pmMy last comment is significantly less effective with the strikethrough effect removed…
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:09 pmSmily, if you think that isn’t a false flag act, you’re an idiot.
the idea that TEA partiers are happy about this kind of activity is simply ridiculous. We won’t even suffer birthers or truthers without telling them to get out of our movement.
There’s something really sad about what you’re trying to do. Do you realize that?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:10 pm“I wonder how many government tormentors or Liberal Cultists have to be taken out before they realize this Socialist Government agenda has gone too far?”
And I’m the hater?
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:11 pm“We won’t even suffer birthers or truthers without telling them to get out of our movement.”
I’m confused–are YOU a false flag operation? Because that’s such a laughable statement I literally don’t know how to take it as anything but a joke.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:12 pm“Maybe I missed the meeting in which the Liberal Synod decreed that hating on the IRS was now part of the Liberal Orthodoxy?”
Smily – How many tax cheats did Obama try to get through the Senate confirmation process. Q.E.D.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:12 pmhere’s some screenshots of the facebook page… I hadn’t heard this yet
happyfeet (713679) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:13 pmSmily:
Just checking, but you don’t have a pilot’s license do you?
By the way, just for the record, does the Liberal Synod have a decree for loving the IRS?
Because, that could be a real vote-getter.
I like to remember when the left hated the government. All that Weathermen and SLA and SDS blowing up stuff and everything. You do know that Abbie Hoffman and the Chicago 7 protested at the Democratic Convention, right?
Good times.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:13 pmYes, you are a lying disingenuous hater, smily. You are such a vile and pathetic person that you are out trying to pin the actions of a crazy person on people you believe to be your political opponents. You are a vile disgusting cretin, on your best days. Mendacity is your friend.
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:14 pmhere’s a blogger person discussing false flags and such
happyfeet (713679) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:15 pmIf by “the left,” you mean “the extreme fringe of the left-hand side of the uni-dimensional political axis,” then I suppose the truth-value of your statement is greater than zero.
If, however, you mean in any way that the Weathermen, et al, represent anything close to the beliefs of the vast majority of American liberals–who, after the last election, appear to be a majority of American voters, if not a majority of Americans–then, well, you’re delusional.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:17 pm“You are such a vile and pathetic person that you are out trying to pin the actions of a crazy person on people you believe to be your political opponents.”
“Yeah, this guy was a flaming liberal.”
I think you have mistaken me for another person with a different name. Honest mistake, no worries.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:19 pmIt’s obvious SOMEONE wants to associate the TEA party with Stack while also distancing Stack from communism. Smily is sarcastic about it, but that’s what he wants while smearing the Gadsden flag, and that’s what whoever had that facebook page wanted.
It’s obvious the TEA partiers don’t want to do that. It’s obvious Bush didn’t let 9/11 happen and that Scott Brown doesn’t advocate murdering IRS workers.
I don’t feel any need to defend the TEA party from smears from trolls. Anyone who falls for it was a die hard liberal truther-2 anyway. This will probably have on opposite effect on moderates.
Everyone’s going to read that manifesto for themselves.
smily is really really really really mad. But just at people speaking their minds and voting how they want. He can’t win an argument, so he will just pretend they are all terrorist racists.
But there’s problem: you will need their support to win elections and you’re no longer credible with them. either that, or the TEA party is just a few extremists. Smily’s tactics show a desperation, so I think he realizes they aren’t.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:20 pmNope. No mistake. You are a lying mendoucheous dishonest pathetic f@cking asshat. And that is on your good days. /spit
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:22 pmAlright, I should not have even read the drivel from Smily the Clown. I am going to try to resume my efforts to ignore lying f@cking trollish people, as frowny most certainly is.
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:25 pmWow! That Scott Brown won the election is just eating you libs to bits, how sweetly amusing.
So much that you feel obliged to hijack a thread just to demonize him. Choke on it.
Joe Stack was a contemptuous, self-centered worm who has impoverished his wife, likely destroyed his pre-adolescent daughter and destroyed both their lives. Any estate will likely be sued away, leaving them with nothing. They will have to change names and leave town….all over a 10K tax tag. Dollars to donuts he was an abusive controlling impotent Democrat
Angelo (5df281) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:25 pm“I like to remember when the left hated the government.”
Like the time Liberals committed the single deadliest terrorist attack every committed by domestic terrorists on U.S. soil…wait, sorry, scratch all that, that was “the right.”
Just kidding, it was one guy who belonged to the political fringe of the right side of the American political spectrum.
Not all lunatics need to be claimed by those tangentially related to them politically.
But, and let me express this honestly, to those of you who might listen and understand: when the Tea Partiers pick as their keynote speaker at their convention a woman who has herself indulged in Birther conspiracy theories, when eliminationist rhetoric is commonplace among prominent right wing figures, when people carry assault rifles to political rallies and when Tea Party leaders talk about the need for another revolution, when people talk about Obama qua socialist/communist/fascist, when people talk about hugely popular, center-left policies as the destruction of the constitutional order and its replacement by a totalitarian New World Order (and this is all my perception of the Tea Party movement based on reading and listening to the words spoken by people who organize and attend Tea Party events), there is genuine fear that at least some of you will act on that and commit horrific acts of violence.
Oh, wait, that already happened! It’s not about pinning blame, it’s about worried that what has already happened will happen again, and again, and again.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:27 pmF@ck you, liar. Those are lies, and you are a f*cking liar.
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:30 pm“It’s obvious SOMEONE wants to associate the TEA party with Stack while also distancing Stack from communism.”
“Yeah, this guy was a flaming liberal.”
You protest too much.
(PS–It’s cute how you conflate me wanting to distance–rightfully–Stack from American liberalism with me–fictionally–caring about distancing Stack from communism–which is only, at best, as tangentially associated with American liberalism as Fransisco Franco is associated with American conservatism (except for that thing where the flagship American conservative weekly magazine wrote paeans to him))
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:31 pm“F@ck you, liar. Those are lies, and you are a f*cking liar.”
I think your keyboard is broken. You could probably order a replacement pretty cheaply through Amazon.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:31 pmIdiotology is doing a little happy dance as there is a new leftist that is exponentially more dishonest that it is.
JD (b655f9) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:32 pmsmily, MSNBC? Who cares what they pretend happened?
You think Palin’s a birther? She isn’t. You’re paying way too much attention to MSNBC.
Think for yourself Smily. Read the manifesto if it matters that much what this idiot thought. Listen to TEA party protesters.
Just one example: health care. both bring it up. Can you articulate their positions? I bet you can’t.
You’re too busy blaming everything on “the right” and watching MSNBC lie to you every day. You’re totally pathetic, and you’re going to get a lot worse in November if you don’t get help.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:33 pm“I am going to try to resume my efforts to ignore lying f@cking trollish people, as frowny most certainly is.”
Try harder. And watch your mouth. You kiss your mother with that?
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:33 pmWell, I have the truth-value going for me.
And, since I’m delusional, which I won’t argue, what exactly is your argument?
Is it a great, big government with the implicit cooperation of corporations that is a good thing?
Or is it a great, big government with the implicit cooperation of labor that is a good thing?
Or is it a great, big government with people that you agree with that is a good thing?
Or is it a simply a great, big government?
My choice is a government that listens to the people.
You said that the majority of American voters have decided.
I can’t argue with that.
I hope you can’t argue in the happenstance that they may vote against your wishes sometime in the future.
You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:35 pm“smily, MSNBC? Who cares what they pretend happened?”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392081,00.html
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/10/church-shooter-pleads-guilty-letter-released/
http://cbs5.com/national/knoxville.tennessee.shooting.2.781332.html
And etc. This a matter of public record; you can’t wave away the murder of innocent people by a deranged lunatic motivated, as he explicitly admitted, eliminationist rhetoric against liberals.
“You think Palin’s a birther? She isn’t. You’re paying way too much attention to MSNBC.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Palin_Obama_birth_certificate_a_fair_question.html
Even Joe Scarborough had to tell her to lay off the conspiracy theories.
The rest…I’ll google citations for you tomorrow. For now, to bed, perchance, to dream!
Cheers, ladies and gentlemen.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:41 pmSmily, you are losing the argument. That’s why you resort to personal attacks and sarcasm.
I see that your right wing terrorist hated Bush, hated Capitalism, and endorsed a government takeover of healthcare.
you say he’s not liberal. OK. Who cares? Do you really think it matters? You’re wrong, but it doesn’t matter.
that’s why your argument is a failure. You want to say people should be afraid of the TEA party, that Scott Brown should shut up about grievances against the government, etc etc etc, because you believe or pretend that these insane people happened to be conservatives.
That’s a non sequitur. The premises are also incorrect, but we don’t even have to argue that because your reasoning is just stupid.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:42 pmSo, what this psycho happy that health care reform failed?
A: It doesn’t really matter one way or the other because he’s insane.
Well, the other answer is that he totally wanted health care reform like any other TEA partier. Just as all TEA partiers hate capitalism. Tim Mcveigh was totally a Mainstream Republican too.
Smily either just gets off on smearing the blood on innocent people around to score retarded political points, or he actually thinks this is the way to convince people to support his POV. But the millions of TEA partiers, democrats, independents, republicans, are just more and more motivated to send a message that capitalism and freedom are things the government should keep her hands on.
they don’t really care what Joe Stack thought.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/18/2010 @ 10:48 pm“hated Bush” — by the end of his presidency, that wasn’t a liberal thing to do; the majority of Americans were happy to see him go. Hatred of Bush doesn’t define liberalism, and non-liberals are fully capable of hating Bush too (ie, I don’t really think the perpetrator of the worst domestic terrorist attack on U.S. soil, a right-winger, would have loved Bush.)
“hated Capitalism” — this isn’t part of American liberalism any more than Hitler’s twisted racial theories have anything to with modern American conservative opposition to affirmative action. If anything, this demonstrates that he falls outside of the mainstream of American politics such that he couldn’t really be called a member of either liberalism or conservatism.
“endorsed a government takeover of healthcare” — strawman! No one is advocating a government takeover of healthcare. Regulation does not equal takeover. Try harder.
“Scott Brown should shut up about grievances against the government” when in the middle of a conversation about government workers just murdered by someone who thought he had perfectly legitimate grievances against the government, unless Brown thinks that grievances against the government can justify violence against the government, in which case he should have the courage to say so.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:26 amTruthers at the Tea Party:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/233331/page/1
Oh! Sorry, I forgot, it was written in a liberal magazine by evil liberals who only write lies. I’ll see if I can find an ideologically pure, politically correct source you can believe.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:27 am“You want to say people should be afraid of the TEA party,”
False. I’m saying I’m afraid of the Tea Party, and so are plenty of others. What I’m suggesting to you is that, if you really think there’s nothing to be afraid of, you need to try harder to convince a skeptical audience. Don’t get mad at me because I told you I have legitimate fears of the Tea Party movement.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:29 am“Smily, Scott Brown is proof enough that if you really want to fight the problem in government, you can do so without violence.”
Maybe our death-pilot should have moved to MA where he could have romneycare, thanks to good people like scott brown.
imdw (22078e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:54 amrepresent anything close to the beliefs of the vast majority of American liberals–who, after the last election, appear to be a majority of American voters, if not a majority of Americans–then, well, you’re delusional.
The same folks who elected Brown. Excellent statement there – can we subscribe to your newsletter?
Dmac (799abd) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:43 amand so are plenty of others.
Nice strawman – got any actual, you know – examples of this mass hysteria of fear about middle – aged citizens demonstrating against what they perceive to be out of control governmental spending? Yeah, didn’t think so – hence the unending snarkfest.
Hey Stashiu3, can you check the IP of this one? Smells of sock lint.
Dmac (799abd) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:45 amMaybe our death-pilot should have moved to MA where he could have romneycare, thanks to good people like scott brown.
How’s that Chunky Monkey enema working out for you so far? Has it gone all the way through yet? Please keep us informed of it’s progress, won’t you?
Dmac (799abd) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:47 amThis new hatey Smily makes Idiotology look honest.
JD (b655f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:07 amI’m saying I’m afraid of the Tea Party, and so are plenty of others.
Funny thing, polls. Rasmussen (that evil Rethuglican hack polling outfit) just came out with a little nugget that suggests the direct opposite of your conclusion:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/only_21_say_u_s_government_has_consent_of_the_governed
The majority of the citizens in this country are afraid that their elected representatives aren’t actually representing them. But don’t let a little thing like a national poll lead you into any cognitive dissonance – that would only upset you and leave you vewy, vewy afraid of those awful middle – aged people. Eeeek, they’re protesting! And they have handwritten signs! Run for your lives, I’m so scared! Hold me!
Dmac (799abd) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:24 amHow does someone who claims to be suffering such hard times also own a small aircraft?
Werner Heisenberg (aa3cbd) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:44 am[…] to Paint Him as Tea Party Protester Patterico’s Pontifications: Joe Stack Was a Terrorist and Plane Crashes Into Austin Building (Updated x3) Ace of Spades HQ: Another Story from Today (A Really Good […]
Rush Limbaugh: Deranged Man’s Website’s Anti-Bush, Anti-IRS, Communist Rants & Fiery Texas Plane Crash… Looks Like Crash Was Caused by a Democrat! « Frugal Café Blog Zone (a66042) — 2/19/2010 @ 2:18 pmHey folks, here’s a news clip at a woman at a Tea Party rally telling the audience she’d like to hang to death a U.S. Senator and being met with laughter.
Long story short: if you really believe that the Tea Party should not make normal folks nervous, try explaining why this event, captured on film, didn’t happen or, failing that, isn’t all that important, rather than just telling me I’m stupid, a liar, etc etc etc & etc.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 3:36 pmWoops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzuMlt-SZwY
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 3:37 pmI think our loser political class sleeps entirely too soundly personally. Especially given what they done on our little country.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 3:39 pm“I think our loser political class sleeps entirely too soundly personally.”
I can’t hear dog whistles, so I’d like you to spell out for me what you really mean here.
Are you saying you think it’s a good thing for politicians to be threatened by murder, as a means of keeping them accountable?
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 3:44 pmPatrick Henry seemed to think so….
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/19/2010 @ 3:55 pmI’m saying it’s really not my problem Mr. Smily person.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 3:56 pmthe real humor is that the newest moonbat looks in the mirror to develop it’s metric of “normal”….
its parent’s really need to get it out of the basement and back in school.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:09 pmLet’s recap:
Commenters here justify terrorism.
I point this out.
Commenters deny they’re justifying terrorism and say that the Tea Party is a peaceful movement.
I point out birthers, truthers, and people who advocate still more political murders.
Commenters, in essence, call me a doo-doo head.
Folks, it’s been fun, but if you’re not willing to say “advocating the murder innocent people for political reasons isn’t cool” if the people doing the advocating are on your side, politically, then, well, what do I have left to prove to anyone?
Not much.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:17 pmHow has it been fun?
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:25 pmcan you prove that they are actually innocent?
what if they are not?
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:31 pmfeets and red – trolly has found the exit. Lock the door before it gets back in.
Matador (176445) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:35 pm“what if they are not?”
Again, I can hear dog whistles, so please–just make plain what you mean here.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:36 pmPS – Tax Protesters, of which Stack was one, are part of the right wing fringe of this country:
http://www.tax-freedom.com/origins.txt
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:38 pmAt #130 you said you couldn’t hear dog whistles. Jeez.
Sorry Mr. Matador I will go have tacos now.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:39 pmTax protestors are mainstream and wonderful people, Mr. Smily. Taxes are gay and dirty socialist taxes are the gayest of them all.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:40 pmThe complete lack of self-awareness in these types is breath-taking.
JD (ebd716) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:40 pm*protesters* I mean and this is what happens when you don’t get up and go get your tacos like you said
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:42 pm“At #130 you said you couldn’t hear dog whistles.”
Apologies for the typo.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:42 pmoh I get it so you for reals can’t hear dog whistles… which, that’s wholly appropriate I think.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:46 pmSmily:
OK.
Advocating the murder (of) innocent people for political reasons isn’t cool.
There, I said it and I believe it.
Not only that, it’s wrong and probably illegal.
Anything else?
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:47 pmI bet you can’t hear this ringtone neither. Cause of you are too old and stuff.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:48 pmNot wanting to pay taxes was one of the defining characteristics of the Barcky cabinet. Well, that, and incompetence.
JD (ebd716) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:54 pmC’mon guys!
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 4:54 pmA new turd shows up and you engage it?
You know this is insane, right?
Just pass the Charmin’ and move-on.
AD,
you’re right.
But I wanted to point out that Osama Bin Laden supports almost all of Obama’s agenda. It’s true, and it’s totally irrelevant.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 5:07 pmSmily – Do you have any of those giant papier mache heads and Kill Bush signs left over from the left’s peace rally’s over the Iraq war? Just askin’.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 5:13 pmAnybody who was uncertain about JD’s ability to control himself or actually offer something useful will look at JD’s comments at 103 and 106. Just take a look at all of his posts on this particular thread and ask yourself: why do we put up with this moron?
You may feel the same about me, and I understand that. After all, I disagree with most of you. But JD… well, there is no reason for you to put up with him clogging up your ‘coherent’ (heh) commentary with his pooh.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 5:37 pmLOL, Intelliology, Mr “Bush Let 9/11 Happen”.
We are really concerned with your advice to not “put up with” people you think are “morons”.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 5:52 pmYou go ahead and show me where I said those exact words, Dustin. Link to it so we are all clear. Otherwise, you’d better get exactly what I said right before you use quotes.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 5:55 pmThat sounds like a terrorist threat to me?
Isn’t there a USC provision covering “threats of terrorism”, and isn’t a threat in the eye of the beholder?
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:13 pmIts always hilarious when the trolls expect others to have higher standards of accuracy than they can manage themselves.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:14 pmIn the trolls world, cussing is somehow worse than lying, dishonesty, mendacity, and all of the various tools of their ilk. Sorry I cussed, you lying little f*ck.
JD (40d7f4) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:15 pmIntelliology, are you denying you said it?
That’s a yes or no question, and I bet you don’t answer with a yes or a no.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:17 pmWell, it depends on what the meaning of “said” is.
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:18 pmIt is an outright LIHOP-er, Dustin.
JD (40d7f4) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:19 pmYeah yeah, we get it JD. You are the sherriff around here. But, you really just chase around people who offer the liberal side of any argument to call them names and/or liars. You rarely, if ever, offer anything original.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:20 pmCorrection: The reality is that Bush let 9/11 happen.
Comment by Intelliology — 2/3/2010 @ 7:09 pm
Oh who cares, you’ll try to lie your way out of it, but I don’t really care if you think you win an argument. You hate republicans and blame them for everything, be it this murder or that murder or a icy sidewalk or your unemployement.
I don’t plan to prove 9/11 isn’t Bush’s fault. I simply wanted to prove that you’re not credible because you are blinded by insane hatred.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:20 pmWhy does it speak of “we” ?
JD (40d7f4) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:23 pm162. By ignoring warnings. FYI-Clinton was not president on September 11, 2001. There are a lot of commentators on here who seem to ‘forget’ that factoid.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:25 pmI thought imdw had said that. I get them confused. imdw is the one who made up the anti-semite rumors and the child rape rumors and randomly assigned them to various conservatives because he thinks raping kids is funny.
Intell is the truther (well, to be sure, a huge proportion of liberals are truthers, so they both probably are).
And smily is the tea-truther.
As I’ve said all along, the debate over which policies work best is completely separate from this hate-fest. Osama bin Laden thinks we need universal health care and to fight global warming (sincerely, he does think this). Does that matter? Not really.
But the kind of people who can’t understand the brilliance of conservative government are the kind of people who want to find a boogeyman to rail against. Bush has to be blamed for 9/11 or the Tea party and Palin for this IRS bomber. etc etc etc. It’s a mechanism for avoiding admitting they don’t understand science or politics or economics.
Just google Intelliology’s discussion of global warming. I bet he’s never been in a science course above the sophomore level. Look at the way Smily analyzes (by refusing to analyze anything) the thoughts of this IRS bomber. Look at imdw’s consistent problem with staying on any topic.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:27 pmThe “liberal” side?
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:27 pmIt would be wonderful to have someone advance the “liberal” side of an arguement,
instead of the Full-Moon Looney-Tunes that has been brought forward for the amusement of so many.
As gay as that pansy 9/11 commission was even those poofters didn’t say Bush let 9/11 happen.
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:28 pm“…they don’t understand
science or politics or economicslife…”FTFY!
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:30 pmOsama bin Laden has discussed our health care system?
If Osama bin Laden told you that 2 plus 2 was 4 would you disagree? Eh, don’t answer that. Math is not really the conservatives’ strong suit.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:30 pmHappyfeet – this one likes to lie about the contents of the PDB. It is a LIHOP twoofer.
JD (40d7f4) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:32 pmQue music from “Outer Limits”.
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:32 pmSorry, meant “Twilight Zone”.
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:34 pmJD, of course, is referring to the time that SPQR linked to a source that confirmed my argument against his. Brilliant, JD.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:39 pmfrom the people who think debt in excess of our GDP is a *good* thing….
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:39 pmThey are the “Barbie Generation”…
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:41 pmGee, math is tough!
Idiot – you claimed that an attack was imminent, and that Bush ignored a clear warning, allowing 9/11 to happen. Not only is that a lie, as the PDB itself shows, but it makes you a LIHOP twoofer.
JD (40d7f4) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:49 pmActually the PDB proves what I said. I am glad you are calling me a liar based on this disagreement, though. It just proves my points about you.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:53 pm“If Osama bin Laden told you that 2 plus 2 was 4 would you disagree?
The entire thesis of most of my comments has been that it doesn’t matter what some insane terrorist thinks. You are too much a coward to even expose your fragile little mind to a conservative’s argument, so you rail against something you agree with (at least when it benefits democrats).
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 6:59 pm“If Osama bin Laden told you that 2 plus 2 was 4 would you disagree?”
If OBL told me 2 plus 2 was 4, I would shoot him.
If I didn’t have a gun, I would try to strangle him. But, he’s wiry and I would probably end up with my head wondering how it got separated from my neck. But I would try.
That’s just me, though.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:09 pmYou and me both, AG.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:15 pmOsama is dead already I think.
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:16 pmPity he didn’t meet
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:19 pmIntelliologyNumbNuts first.Well, we don’t have to call JD NumbNuts. That is a little too far, even for a liar.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:26 pmcalling JD a liar isn’t a good way to build your credibilitah I don’t think
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:27 pmUpdate 4 lists the name of the missing IRS employee and the link shows he was a fine man. It also includes a link to a statement by Stack’s wife.
DRJ (6a8003) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:29 pmThanks for keeping us up to date, DRJ.
That guy sounds like a really nice man, and thinking about his wife and Stack’s wife really brings home the message that Joseph Stack was one of the most selfish beings imaginable.
Scoring points with this is pretty selfish too. It’s not about our politics.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:36 pm“Actually the PDB proves what I said.”
Intelliology – A blatant lie. There are witnesses to your claims and the debunking of your lies.
Why don’t you get your mom to comment here, maybe she’ll back up your claims?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:37 pmWell, happy, if he is dead and he told me 2+2=4, I would hit him on the head with a shovel.
You can’t be too careful with zombies. I saw it in a movie.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/19/2010 @ 7:44 pmI’d have your back on the zombie smashing, definitely.
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:02 pmI don’t think the played in a band link is right…
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:06 pmfeets – You have to careful around zombies. They’re making them fast these days. I saw fast zombies in a movie.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:23 pm“The IRS is gay.”
“Taxes are gay and dirty socialist taxes are the gayest of them all.”
“As gay as that pansy 9/11 commission was even those poofters didn’t say Bush let 9/11 happen.”
Happyfeet thinks about the gay more than a twink at a bear convention does…hey, wait a minute…
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:24 pm“I wanted to point out that Osama Bin Laden supports almost all of Obama’s agenda.”
This comment reveals either a willingness to lie in pursuit of your political agenda, a profound ignorance of Osama bin Laden’s stated agenda, a profound ignorance of Barack Obama’s agenda, or some combination thereof.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:26 pmhappyfeet #190: I’m sorry for the link problem. Either I flubbed it or the Statesman updated the link without redirecting it, but it’s fixed now.
DRJ (6a8003) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:33 pmSmily, you’re just a nut and I don’t mind that you call my a liar or ignorant. Like I said, it isn’t relevant that Osama bin Laden is a global warming hysteric etc etc.
You think it matters a lot and probably think Osama’s a republican, but I don’t think it matters at all.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:35 pm“Osama bin Laden thinks we need universal health care and to fight global warming”
While I know of no epistemology so effective that one can know qua knowing the personal thoughts of another, I would, with the imperfect epistemologies left to me, suggest that bin Laden’s references to global warming (I’m unfamiliar with any references by him to U.S. health care reform) were opportunistic rather than heartfelt.
This is not meant as a political statement, or to score points in a thread debate, but instead as one person to another interested in the same topic.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:37 pmOh, Smily, it would really kill you to be consistent, wouldn’t it. Now you are a knowledge skeptic. A while ago you thought the IRS bomber was a far right extremists despite his own words.
You’re a bigot and your arguments are incoherent.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:42 pmDustin:
Imagine we have started fresh. Imagine I am a random stranger who has heard of your interest in Tea Partying and wants to know more. Imagine I have come to you and said: I have heard that Palin has flirted with birtherism (documented above), that truthers and other conspiracy theorists are heavily represented at Tea Party conventions (documented above), and that members of Tea Parties have called for the murder of politicians (documented above). I tell you I’m worried about this, and hope for your reassurances that none of this is true. After all, you genuinely seem to believe that none of this is true, but there seems to be so much evidence that it is true.
How do you answer, not the anonymous person you hate virulently, but the curious stranger with whom you have no baggage who expresses concerned curiosity to you?
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:46 pm“Now you are a knowledge skeptic.”
FINALLY the conversation gets really interesting!
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:47 pmHey, introlliology called me a liar about whether he link-surfed. When I pulled up the evidence he did not link-surf as he said he did, he was noticeably silent. Gotta join in while the joining’s good in proving introlliology is a serial liar.
John Hitchcock (879d99) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:48 pm“A while ago you thought the IRS bomber was a far right extremists despite his own words.”
Actually, I thought he was a right-wing extremist because of his words; in particular, his participation in “tax protesting” and his hatred of the IRS both seem to place him squarely on the right-hand side of the American political spectrum.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:49 pmI see that the nightly infestation is back, peddling its dishonesty in pusuit of its agenda again.
JD (192c60) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:50 pm“You’re a bigot and your arguments are incoherent.”
I think it’s interesting that you direct such virulent hatred towards me when, as I’ve identified repeatedly above, right-wing commenters on this thread expressed sympathy with Stack and attempted to justify his actions. Talk about misdirection.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:50 pmSmily, imagine you graduated high school. Imagine you have at least one bone in your body that is not disingenuous. Imagine rational people take you seriously. Once your done imagining, get back to work mopping the McDonalds bathroom like you were told to do.
John Hitchcock (879d99) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:51 pmshe’s kinda busy right now, but when she goes on break, i’ll let her use the computer, if she’s good.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:53 pmthanks DRJ…
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 8:57 pmSmily’s views on this kind of tragedy and how it applies to the world is nothing short of obscene. It’s no real help to me that Osama Bin Laden or Joseph psycho have views. I don’t attempt to demonize ideas by associating them with boogeymen. Because I’m not obscene.
I’m not even that nice a person, to be honest, but I know that you just. don’t. go. there.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:05 pmDustin,
I’m starting to think (and am being generous here) that you really can’t address any of my points (Palin is a birther, many Tea Partiers are truthers, prominent Tea Partiers advocate political violence) as, ever since I provided a handful of links, you have avoided defending any of your assertions (the Tea Party expels truthers, birthers, and advocates of violence), instead preferring to call me names.
Rather than reassuring me–after I asked you, in good faith, to demonstrate that my perception of the Tea Party was inaccurate–you have worked strenuously to assure me that my perception is accurate.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:14 pm“I think it’s interesting that you direct such virulent hatred towards me”
Smily – I thought Dustin stating facts. It’s your problem if you see hatred in the words.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:15 pm“after I asked you, in good faith”
Smily – Your hands are unclean. You have lost the ability to ask questions in good faith here with your dishonest tactics. Just sayin’.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:17 pm“I thought Dustin stating facts. ”
What facts? I demonstrated that all his assertions were false and, rather than defend them, he resorted to calling me mean names.
“Your hands are unclean.”
I wash regularly, thanks.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:19 pmSmily – it is some people’s perception that leftist ideals such as the type you and your ilk espouse have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions throughout history, and as a system, have proiven to be abject failures at every turn. Your lies and distortions are transparent in your pursuit of your ideological agenda and in creating a narrative. Dustin correctly notes that your actions in doing so are obscene, trying to tie your ideological opponents to the actions of a lunatic. How do you live with yourself?
JD (192c60) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:26 pmI knew there was a reason I didn’t follow any smily thread-jacks. Smily is pathological, as far as I’m concerned. Back to ignoring smily thread-jacks.
(Patterico, you could add “thumbs up, thumbs down” on comments so the trolls could be collapsed. That would help keep the threads on-topic and poof the trolls.)
John Hitchcock (879d99) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:27 pmDaley pegged your perfectly, asshat. You have revealed your abject dishonesty, in all its glory. Yet, like your fellow travelers, you feign offense at salty language, but are quite comfortable trafficking in lies. It says much about your character, or rather, your lack thereof.
JD (192c60) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:30 pm“leftist ideals such as the type you and your ilk espouse have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions throughout history”
I had no idea that a top marginal income tax rate of 38% caused so much trouble!
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:31 pm“asshat”
Seriously, though, do you have Tourettes? I’m not so much offended as amazed at your seeming inability to write without including at least one profanity.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:34 pm“I demonstrated that all his assertions were false”
Smily – I missed the part where you demonstrated you were not a bigot and that your commentary was not incoherent. Will you prove it again please?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:36 pm“Your lies and distortions are transparent in your pursuit of your ideological agenda”
Which lies? You mean the claims I backed up by providing video evidence? Those lies? Because those weren’t lies but instead statements of truth. I think you have your words mixed up. Assertions backed up by evidence are generally not considered lies; assertions backed up by profanity are, well, just jackassery.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:36 pm“I missed the part where you demonstrated you were not a bigot”
I’m not sure how I’d go about demonstrating that I’m not something, other than asserting that I’m not (I’m not!), but I have to wonder what, if anything, I’ve said (since that’s all you have to judge me by) that indicates I’m a bigot?
Smily (dc088c) — 2/19/2010 @ 9:37 pmSmily said:
Imagine we have started fresh. Imagine I am a random stranger who has heard of your interest in Tea Partying and wants to know more. Imagine I have come to you and said: I have heard that Palin has flirted with birtherism (documented above), that truthers and other conspiracy theorists are heavily represented at Tea Party conventions (documented above), and that members of Tea Parties have called for the murder of politicians (documented above). I tell you I’m worried about this, and hope for your reassurances that none of this is true. After all, you genuinely seem to believe that none of this is true, but there seems to be so much evidence that it is true.
I would say that Palin would be foolish to associate with “birthers.” I would say “truthers” are the same kind of nuts that obsess over pristine bullets. I would say that people that advocate violence for political purposes are deranged.
I would also say it’s pretty easy to find the same kind of obsessions across any political persuasion. If you want evidence, just google “Bush,” or “Clinton,” or “Reagan,” or “Obama,” or any other politician or political movement.
I also would say, you seem to have a particular focus on Tea Partiers. And to be honest, I don’t know any. They’re not part of the crowd I hang around with.
But I have no problem with their right to congregate and advocate in the same sense that I have no problem with anarchists having the right to congregate and advocate as long as they don’t break the law.
If you’re really afraid of the Tea Partiers, just kick their walkers and run away.
Seriously, though, you are not a serious person. Every post you make is to try to bait someone into justifying your preconceived notion of those who disagree with you.
And that tactic is old and tired and I don’t owe you anything.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/19/2010 @ 10:03 pmI thought LeCarre killed off Smily in the last episode?
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 10:04 pmDaleyrocks – maybe we should post links to every leftist whackjob that protested during the evil dark reichwing reign of Bush. Again, cussing bad, lying okay. Screwed up value system you have there.
JD (3065c0) — 2/19/2010 @ 10:11 pmI just can’t summon the motivation this time. Sometimes I get the ‘someone’s wrong on the INTERNET’ stick up my ass when someone says something I disagree with, but truthers and ‘Scott Brown is inciting murder’ crackpots just aren’t worth it.
When you can deny any obvious fact and assume any unlikely fact, you can declare victory in any argument. And you can convince yourself to hate TEA partiers or any political group you aren’t smart enough to tackle fairly as scary killers.
Ridiculous. As in ‘I am ridiculing you.’ The reason you aren’t seeing your tea-truther or fantasy points debunked is because I don’t care. You aren’t interested in truth or you wouldn’t have said Scott Brown was inciting murder, or any of the other dozens of obscene bigoted things you said.
This dude’s dad, was killed by a disturbed and horrible person. It has nothing to do with Scott Brown’s politics, or the TEA party, or the IRS. Smily has repeatedly smeared his political opponents in this thread without really discussing their political views and by resorting to the lowest and ugliest kind of lies and smears. Whenever there’s someone dying, there’s something trying to smear their blood into some caricature of a political argument.
That’s why when I point out that Stack was a leftist, I point out I’m only saying this to show Smily is doubly wrong, not to actually pretend all leftists be credited with all leftist criminals.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/19/2010 @ 10:17 pmasshat is a profanity like chips ahoy is a chocolate chip cookie I think
happyfeet (713679) — 2/19/2010 @ 10:22 pm“maybe we should post links to every leftist whackjob that protested during the evil dark reichwing reign of Bush.”
JD – I could use me some giant papier mache heads.
Would be HUGE!
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 10:59 pm““I missed the part where you demonstrated you were not a bigot”
I’m not sure how I’d go about demonstrating that I’m not something,”
Smily – You said “I demonstrated that all his assertions were false.” Since he asserted you were a bigot and that your commentary was incoherent, that means you are admitting your statement in the prior sentence was false when you made it. You claim you want to discuss things in good faith. How can anybody here trust you when you so blatantly lie? Frankly, I don’t think you care one way or another and neither do I.
To me you’re just another piece of dishonest liberal pond scum.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/19/2010 @ 11:05 pmMr. LeCarre, gentleman that he was, would have killed this character off right after he was introduced.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/19/2010 @ 11:42 pmLOL!
AD - RtR/OS! (02a1f9) — 2/19/2010 @ 11:56 pmHappyfeet apology accepted gladly…happy to know you didnt mean any offense to the Palins. 🙂
mike d (6c5cd9) — 2/20/2010 @ 1:01 amspot…on! Smily has this figured out.
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/20/2010 @ 5:39 amTurd fondler.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/20/2010 @ 7:02 amDaley. I guess I can match your maturity level for this particular post and say… I know you are but what am I?
Intelliology (00d844) — 2/20/2010 @ 7:30 am“maybe we should post links to every leftist whackjob that protested during the evil dark reichwing reign of Bush.”
Two differences are stark.
First: the vast majority of people who protest in ridiculous ways are, as you noted, wackjobs–people on the fringes. As a flaming liberal ensconced in the most liberal city in the whole world (well, maybe after Berkley), I can honestly say I don’t know a single person who ever protested with a giant paper mache puppet. Can you believe it? Not a single one. Why? Because a small group of wackjobs gets lots of attention when they engage in ridiculous antics and political theater.
Much like the Tea Party!
Second: very little of the rhetoric of liberal wackjob protesters was violent, and very little politically motivated violence by liberals happens in this country. In contrast, a significant amount of mainstream conservative rhetoric in this country revolves around violence (as when Rush Limbaugh implores his listeners to do whatever it takes to stop the evil of late-term abortion, or when Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, et al, publish endless book after book on the subject of liberal treason and perfidy and the need to “defeat” the evil of liberals). Furthermore, we have a small but growing example of people on the right-wing who commit murder and explicitly justify it based on mainstream right-wing rhetoric.
No liberal, that I know of, walked into a church and murdered innocent people because he thought the church was conservative and thought conservatives were ruining America.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/20/2010 @ 8:19 amPerhaps you missed the many Air America hosts that portrayed sound or visuals of shotguns or Bush being shot, or the many portrayals of Bush being hanged or burned in public demonstrations. In terms of political violence you may not be old enough to remember when banks were transformed to fortress like structures because of liberal bombers, or the actions of the SLA, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Weather Underground, ELF, Earth First, and other liberal revolutionary groups. Did you forget the violence of the public employees unions and ACORN? Jackson and Sharpton’s victims? These were not the work of some insane fanatic but organized criminal and terrorist groups. The leader of one of those named groups is the buddy of our President and one of the others gets millions of taxpayer dollars and protection from our DOJ. I think you may be projecting a bit.
Machinist (9780ec) — 2/20/2010 @ 8:48 amHe is just pushing that same BS narrative that SEK was pushing about mainstream conservatism inciting violence, Machinist. As is always the case, they gloss over their own as isolated incidents not representative of the whole, but do the exact opposite when looking at their ideological opponents. It is fundamentally dishonest.
JD (f5b496) — 2/20/2010 @ 8:54 amIt is such a reversal of reality I am tempted to doubt his good faith.
Machinist (9780ec) — 2/20/2010 @ 8:58 amTempted?! It has demonstrated that it does not even have a passing acquaintance with good faith, Machinist. It is a verbose version of Idiotology.
JD (10904f) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:18 amPeople like smily have no faith, good or otherwise.
AD - RtR/OS! (e05987) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:20 amJD,
Machinist (9780ec) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:22 am*wink*
They have plenty of faith, AD – man-caused global warming, their belief in the eternal leftist conceit, their belief in sec-progg ideals, their belief that they are better people, etc …
JD (10904f) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:38 am“SLA, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Weather Underground”
None of these groups could be construed as “liberal,” though, of course, they fall on the left hand side of a one-dimensional political line. (I don’t really think I’d put Nation of Islam on the left of anything, though.) Furthermore, except for NoI, these groups are all either defunct or effectively defunct and have been for decades.
In contrast, mainstream conservative rhetoric today contains quite a bit of violence.
ELF is, of course, terrorist groups and probably the closest things you could say to a “liberal terrorist group,” though, oddly, their rhetoric and their actions explicitly reject hurting people (though arson is a horrific crime and their use of it undermines their claims).
Smily (dc088c) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:45 amHere’s a selection of mainstream conservative book titles:
– Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism – Sean Hannity
– Secular Sabotage: How Liberals Are Destroying Religion and Culture in America – William A. Donohue
– Guilty: Liberal “Victims” and Their Assault on America – Ann Coulter
– War Crimes : The Left’s Campaign to Destroy Our Military and Lose the War on Terror – – Buzz Patterson
– Treachery : How America’s Friends and Foes Are Secretly Arming Our Enemies – Bill Gertz
– Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism – Ann Culter
– The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 – Dinesh D’Souza
– The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Schools, Faith, and Military – Michael Savage
– The Terrible Truth About Liberals – Neal Boortz
– Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity – David Limbaugh
– Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning – Jonah Goldberg
– The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness – Lyle H. Rossiter
– Shut Up and Sing: How Elites from Hollywood, Politics, and the UN are Subverting America – Laura Ingraham
Based on these titles, it sounds like conservatives view liberals as evil, terrorists, and despots actively destroying culture and religion in America; as assaulting America; as destroying the military and seeking to cause us to lose to terrorists; as traitors, the enemy at home, who caused 9/11; as fascists; and as lunatics. What could one do against such a foe except, wink wink nudge nudge, do whatever it takes, much like Jim Adkisson, Richard Poplawski, Scott Roeder, Eric Rudolph, etc etc etc.
Smily (dc088c) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:56 amBut JD, it’s not faith faith!
AD - RtR/OS! (e05987) — 2/20/2010 @ 9:59 amMachinist – are you still tempted to doubt its good faith?
JD (30371c) — 2/20/2010 @ 10:01 amJD,
You mean because he makes up (see “wink wink nudge nudge”) calls for violence from political writings and equates that to real acts of terrorism and violence by groups still active today on the left?
ACORN and SEIU thugs are very much active today and are integral to Democratic politics. Show my any conservative group with mainstream Republican support committing open violence and intimidation to match these groups or your remarks are discredited.
Machinist (9780ec) — 2/20/2010 @ 11:25 amAt this point I think I need to follow my own advice.
Machinist (9780ec) — 2/20/2010 @ 11:29 ammy advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
(trust me: i’m pre-med. %-)
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/20/2010 @ 12:01 pmSmily said:
Based on these titles, it sounds like conservatives view liberals as evil, terrorists, and despots actively destroying culture and religion in America; as assaulting America; as destroying the military and seeking to cause us to lose to terrorists; as traitors, the enemy at home, who caused 9/11; as fascists; and as lunatics.
Sounds about right, except the 9/11 part. But, then, that’s how you view us, so it all evens out in the end.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/20/2010 @ 12:45 pmSmily:
Conservatives have a long way to go to equal liberal “assassination chic” rhetoric as illustrated by Michelle Malkin’s list and this 2007 comment by a Nobel Peace Prize winner:
Find me a conservative Nobel Peace Prize winner (if you can) who also advocates killing President Obama and then we’ll talk about who has the most violent mainstream rhetoric.
DRJ (6a8003) — 2/20/2010 @ 12:57 pm” 9-11 “
AD - RtR/OS! (e05987) — 2/20/2010 @ 12:57 pmPerhaps not “caused”, but surely did little to nothing to “discourage”.
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