Salon Retracted — How Did I Miss This?
Because they did it on Friday, when I was completely off the Internet:
The Feb. 3 “James O’Keefe’s Race Problem” reported that O’Keefe, the conservative activist arrested on charges he plotted to tamper with Sen. Mary Landrieu’s phone lines, helped plan a conference on “Race and Conservatism” that featured white nationalist Jared Taylor. The freelance photographer who attended the event, and snapped O’Keefe’s photo there, now says the right-wing provocateur helped out at the conference, but cannot confirm that he helped plan it. The story has been corrected.
The article also said that O’Keefe was terminated by the right-wing Leadership Institute in 2008, after videos were released of O’Keefe calling Planned Parenthood and offering to donate money to abort black babies. He was let go in 2007. Leadership Institute co-founder Morton Blackwell told the New York Times O’Keefe “wanted to do sting operations that would affect legislation; he made some calls which have been covered in the news media to Planned Parenthood. That was beyond the scope of what we had hired him to do. We are an educational organization. We are not an activist organization.” Blackwell says he told O’Keefe to choose between his job and his activism, “and he said he was committed to the activism,” according to the Times. The date of O’Keefe’s termination has been corrected, and Blackwell’s explanation has been added to the story.
Also, David Almasi is the director of Project 21, not the founder, as originally stated.
Salon regrets the errors.
[Correction made 2/5/10]
There remain only a handful of uncorrected errors and distortions in the article. Here’s one:
Right-wing online publicist Andrew Breitbart, hearing of the merry prankster’s exploits, hired [O’Keefe] to carry out the ACORN operation that would make him famous.
Matthew Vadum knocks that one down:
[Author Max Blumenthal] presents no evidence that Breitbart hired O’Keefe “to carry out the ACORN operation” because none exists. None exists because the claim is absolutely false.
While Breitbart may have served as promoter of the ACORN hidden camera videos, he wasn’t involved in shooting the videos. To the best of my knowledge, Breitbart didn’t even meet O’Keefe until after the ACORN videos were shot.
Also, Blumenthal portrayed Hannah Giles as distancing herself from O’Keefe — even though, the day before his piece was published, she supported O’Keefe and explained that she had been taken in by dishonest and sloppy coverage from Big Media . . . ironically, coverage very much like Blumenthal’s own.
Vadum’s post, which I found via Instapundit, also has several entertaining knocks on the author, Sid Vicious’s son Max, who turns out to be an irresponsible and dishonest lout in general — not just in this piece alone. The apple doesn’t fall far from the old block that it’s, uh, chipped off of. I had forgotten that Max was the guy featured in this video:
Salon knew what they were getting into when they chose to pay this chucklehead to write about O’Keefe. Enjoy your embarrassment, iceholes.
Patterico, you have children. You know when you make them apologize for doing something dreadful? Do they really mean it, or do they resent you for embarrassing them?
My guess is that the Salonfolk will be about seven years old on this kind of thing.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/8/2010 @ 5:17 pmthe rending in the fundamental firmament of creation should have been a clue. %-)
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/8/2010 @ 5:23 pmThe apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree eh?
Amused Observer (5ceb02) — 2/8/2010 @ 5:27 pmAs with most “scandals” the left-stream media conjures up, it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.
Not the nature of the evidence.
Good Lt. (e6fa48) — 2/8/2010 @ 5:27 pmWonder if all of our honorable visitors shall come back by and note that they were wrong wrong wrong?
JD (671391) — 2/8/2010 @ 5:46 pmOh, yeah, that’s gonna happen, JD.
JD, I hereby denounce you for believing in unicorn farts and pixie dust!
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/8/2010 @ 5:48 pmThe article was fake but accurate!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:02 pmFunny you should mention Palin’s palm writing.
Larry Reilly (fadcab) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:02 pmI wasn’t wrong about anything.
Northeast Elizabeth (543124) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:04 pmFortunately, you covered it extensively in your own blog post and it’s really appreciated. What’s the link to that again?
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:06 pmyou may have a point, but to paraphrase Ronnie, its just because you know so many things that simply aren’t true.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:12 pmOne thing I do know to be true is that Breitbart’s response attempted to misleadingly imply that O’Keefe did not author the “Feathers of Steel” blog at Rutgers.
Northeast Elizabeth (543124) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:17 pmI see the Mawy Reilly and imdw are related.
JD (cd49be) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:22 pmOh good Allah, not this again.
JD (cd49be) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:23 pmBTW, isn’t your reference to Max’ Dad an insult to the real Sid Vicious?
AD - RtR/OS! (3884b0) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:25 pmNOT DEFENDING SALON HERE AT ALL
Okay so he was just helping out at a KKK rally (great rebuttal)
He was fired for being a racist total ass in 2007 not 2008 (we regret the error)
So this doesnt seem like there is much truth in the debunking of this story – and a freelance photog would have no freaking idea who or why or how an event was planned.
Oh and the guys a DIRECTOR of a project not the founder well thats like saying Henry Ford Jr is the CEO of Ford but not the founder….
oh well…
Given the totality of the ACORN tapes – so we have a racist klantype organizer routing out (posing as a child sex slave traffic merchant BTW) corruption in an equally if not slightly more depraved group on the left – to prove a point?
This is where the cutting edge of conservatism is at now? Asking for retractions? Before the investigation is finished and indictments are sought?
Curisor and curisor.
I weep, weeping, sobbing,
So Salon was sloppy, errant, vicious, vindictive but were right on most of the facts just not some, oh well
EricPWJohnson (6cb382) — 2/8/2010 @ 6:32 pm[…] this article: Salon Retracted — How Did I Miss This? […]
Salon Retracted — How Did I Miss This? | Liberal Whoppers (d16888) — 2/8/2010 @ 7:10 pmEricPW – Read the stories before going off the deep end this time. It’ll save everybody some headaches.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/8/2010 @ 7:19 pmMaybe Eric and lizzie are related.
JD (7cdb18) — 2/8/2010 @ 7:27 pmDaley
I dont need to, I dont want to, I know what Okeefe did long before he did the Acorn thingy.
Acorn also was no surprize to anyone, we called them R&R in New Orleans – stood for Rejects and Rehabs – those are always who works these things – you and I could have walked into Acorn with a bag of cash and asked how to spread it around to democrats and they would have done the same stupid corrput degenerate things
These Acorn people are not ethical, moral or bright and neither were the two idiots pretending to be child sex slave traffic merchants of death on the otherside. (Oh yeah thats right they were just pretending that makes it soo much better)
First Salon should have researched the piece – then they should have researched the morons who ran these racist events and hired these racist morons when they came forward and said thats not true, getting a retraction from a guy who hired a guy to make racist phone calls to an abortion clinic – gives me the warm fuzzies as a conservative rising above the fray to talk the issues of today
We have scumbag liars on the left and dumbshit liars on the right
Its like the fools who decided that Nifong was more corrupt than a lying prostitute and a bunch of degenerate jocks who were serving alcohol to minors and attempting to make a web porn video for distribution again to minors and tried to make patrick henry’s out of these guys because well, liberal professors made an ass out of themselves (as if liberal college professors didnt do that enough in their classrooms)
yeah – I’m so happy that the guy was fired in 2007 for being a total racist moron than in 2008
EricPWJohnson (6cb382) — 2/8/2010 @ 7:54 pm“BTW, isn’t your reference to Max’ Dad an insult to the real Sid Vicious?”
One was a strung out junkie who committed suicide before his trial for murdering his girlfriend. The other, a clear menace to society with no redeeming qualities.
Amused Observer (68a6e9) — 2/8/2010 @ 9:53 pm“I dont need to, I dont want to, I know what Okeefe did long before he did the Acorn thingy.”
I work here is done!
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/8/2010 @ 9:59 pmRacists !!!!
JD (a6eddf) — 2/8/2010 @ 10:01 pm22
🙂
EricPWJohnson (6cb382) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:21 amSo, Blumenthal gives his name in his video and makes fun of his political opponents after announcing who is, but he’s a bastard.
O’Keefe appears in an ACORN office under a false identity, secretly tapes people, wears a dress shirt and tie while claiming to be Giles’s boyfriend, and then splices shots of himself in the “pimp” outfit AND uses the video to enrich himself and ruin the lives of the people he duped….
and O’Keefe is the hero????
O’Keefe’s mentor planned the Taft event and even moved it across the street when the original organizers balked. O’Keefe attended the event where the alleged genetic superiority of white people was discussed on stage and you think the change of “planned” to “attended” and was fired to quit and 2008 to 2007 is a material change which helps your client?
Just wow. I’ll say this, Pat, you are dogged in your beliefs.
timb (449046) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:37 am“O’Keefe attended the event where the alleged genetic superiority of white people was discussed on stage and you think the change of “planned” to “attended” and was fired to quit and 2008 to 2007 is a material change which helps your client? ”
Is that the same as attending a certain church for many years?
(yes, I am playing the imdw game).
Corwin (ea9428) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:28 amtimb – Where did that “mentor” bit come from? Is it from that ridiculous observation from the photographer, Isis, that O’Keefe was helping planner set up the event, like laying out cups, so that they obviously believe the same things? Keen analytical mins on the photographer! What did the reporter that group sent to cover the event have to say?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:55 amThe content of the call was obviously an allusion to the eugenicist(and racialist) roots of Planned Parenthood.
Yeah, just let prosecutors do whatever they want-just like in NS Germany and the Soviet Union. Who cares about stuff like evidence.
icr (304f90) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:04 amicr – Why was the web porn video for minors not put up on the net? Was it seized for evidence or is another figment of EricPW’s vivid imagination? Which is worse, prosecutorial misconduct convicting the wrong parties and ruining their lives or drunken fratboy behavior?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:36 amEricPW and O’Keefe both appear to have issues with ACORN, does that make them both racists?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:38 amWell, I found a blog that Lizzie scrubbed in order to avoid being accused of the following;
1. Racist–you called blacks a bunch of niggardly naggers.
2. You were kicked out of kindygarten for stealing fairy dust.
3. You refer to little people as midgies and dwurfs.
4. You actually admit to having a foot fetish.
5. You admitted to buggerring ostriches on alternate Wednesdays.
Now, I don’t have a screenshot of these claims, but you’ll just have to trust that I really, really, really saw it. Troof to power uknow.
Here’s the link and proof that it is true;
http://northeastelizabethbuggersostrich.blogspot.com/.html
peedoffamerican (cadcec) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:42 amtimb – You realize that following your logic we can definitively label Obama a committed terrorist supporting marxist based on his own admitted past associations. Is that the path you want to follow?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 11:58 amIts always hilarious how timb’s comments rebound against him and he ignores it. Consistency, coherency? Not anything timb ever bothers with.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/9/2010 @ 12:02 pmComment by SPQR — 2/9/2010 @ 12:02 pm
My Momma always says: Stupid is, as stupid does!
AD - RtR/OS! (ca88dc) — 2/9/2010 @ 12:46 pmSorry, peedoff, neither Breitbart nor Patterico dispute that O’Keefe maintained the “Feathers of Steel” blog at http://www.liberabit.blogspot.com at Rutgers in 2006 and then scrubbed it. And the quotes attributed to it were all from O’Keefe. You can Google around — you’ll see there’s plenty of evidence from other bloggers in September 2009 who also read the posts before they were deleted.
But — I do find your routine of making up a phony blog url, claiming it was scrubbed, and attributing quotes to me just HILARIOUS! No, seriously, it’s comedy gold. Do you write for Stephen Colbert? You should, because you’re THAT GOOD. Genius-level stuff. Do it again, it gets funnier each time.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/9/2010 @ 2:37 pmZOMFG! He had a blog in college! Crucify him!
JD (e9e883) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:11 pmZOMFG! He had a blog in college! Crucify him!
A blog which he immediately scrubbed after excerpts from it were published, scrubbing which was performed well after he left college.
JD, a good deal of the criticism and mockery here has been directed at my assertion that O’Keefe maintained the blog and made the statements attributed to him in it. As you’ve acknowledged, he likely did author the blog (a fact which I am now 100% of). So to the extent that peedoff continues to deny it, or imply that it was a Daily Kos frame up, I’m justified in noting how misdirected his line of attack is.
I agree that “indian midget who smelled like shit,” the racial observations about the Swiss, and the account of the “N” word accusations are not grounds for “crucifxion.” But they are grounds for consideration. Not everyone gets led out of a dorm room crying and screaming and has to defend himself before a dean. If the blog were one of a young liberal blogger, I’d believe you’d express more concern than you are about O’Keefe.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:28 pmJust using the same type of evidence against you, that you think is so incriminating of O’Keefe. C’mon Lizzie prove that you didn’t have a blog and then scrub it, JUST LIKE YOU ARE WANTING O’KEEFE TO DO.
peedoffamerican (cadcec) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:29 pmIn comment #216 in the “Salon Writer Max Blumenthal: James O’Keefe is a racist” thread on February 4, Northeast Elizabeth said:
“I’m glad you’ve satisfied yourself that there was never a James O’Keefe blog at http://www.libetas.blogspot.com. It shows how very little you know about the Internet archive and blog-scrubbing.”
Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/4/2010 @ 5:46 pm
But, today in comment #35 above she gives the non-existent blog’s address as: http://www.liberabit.blogspot.com
Do you see what I see? I know what you’re thinking: Hey, wait a minute! That’s a different URL! Northeast Elizabeth can’t even get the right URL of this scandalous non-existent blog.
In comment #35 she also says:
“But — I do find your routine of making up a phony blog url, claiming it was scrubbed, and attributing quotes to me just HILARIOUS!
What is there to say, but that this is–comedy platinum!
Finally, she suggests we “Google around.” That isn’t evidence, of course. That’s what passes for reasearch among liars.
Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:39 pmSorry, peedoff, neither Breitbart nor Patterico explicitly acknowledge or dispute that O’Keefe maintained the “Feathers of Steel” blog at http://www.liberabit.blogspot.com at Rutgers in 2006 and then scrubbed it.
FTFY Northeast Elizabeth
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:45 pmA blog which was allegedy[he immediately] scrubbed after alleged excerpts from it were published, scrubbing which was performed well after he left college.
FTFY too Northeast Elizabeth
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:48 pmZOMFG!!!! He scrubbed a blog from college!!!!! You neglected to mention, lizzie, that he explicitly denied having said what he was accused of. The others are hardly objectionable. I do not care for midgets or clowns. Crucify me! Racists!
JD (e9e883) — 2/9/2010 @ 3:59 pmSo, that’s what he was doing on the grassy knoll!
AD - RtR/OS! (ca88dc) — 2/9/2010 @ 4:01 pmThat’s right daley. They neither acknowledge or dispute that he supposedly had a blog. But since they haven’t denied he had a blog, warped little Lizzie thinks that it is proof that he had one. She still thinks that conjecture is evidence.
Get this Lizzie, conjecture is not evidence. Whether or not he had a blog is not evidence that he made racist statements. ONLY a screenshot of the blog he supposedly had that shows the racist statements is evidence.
Now either produce the screenshot with the racist statements shown, or just STFU.
peedoffamerican (cadcec) — 2/9/2010 @ 4:02 pmThey do not deny it, therefore, RACISTS !!! Good Allah.
JD (fdd4e9) — 2/9/2010 @ 4:02 pmBut, but, but, all those liberal bloggies just had to have seen it to write about it. Why they would never, never, never, just make shit up would they?
Keep dreaming wonderless woman. A libturd blogger makes up something, posts it, and then all the other libturd bloggers jump on it and flood the internet with their asspull accusations.
JUST LIKE THEY DID WHEN THEY ACCUSED O’KEEFE OF WIRETAPPING LANDREU’S PHONE SYSTEM. without one shred of evidence whatsoever.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
peedoffamerican (cadcec) — 2/9/2010 @ 4:25 pmpeedoff,
It’s unfortunate that you lack the analytic and critical skills that JD and I possess. The proper argument here is that O’Keefe was young, immature, and may be telling the truth in denying, as he did to the “black dean” after being led “crying and screaming” from his dorm room, that he used the “N”. But you look quite foolish denying his authorship and scrubbing of the blog. JD can tell you why.
Yes, liberals made up the wiretapping allegations, which were refuted by the criminal complaint — which was posted on the Internet even before the wiretapping claims were made. Liberals are often incredibly stupid and sloppy like that. But so are you — because you sloppily and stupidly believed wiretapping allegations until some blog explained what the allegations were. I didn’t, because I immediately reviewed the complaint. Because I possees the anaytic and critical skills that you lack.
Northeast Elizabeth (6d3164) — 2/9/2010 @ 5:41 pmLizzie – Let’s be quite clear. Our agreement begins and ends with the fact that he likely authored said blog. Period. Full stop. I do not think anything you have quoted from there gives rise to the obsessive insinuations and breathless claims to need to know more that have emanated from your fingers.
JD (e19c2d) — 2/9/2010 @ 5:53 pmJD,
I was quite clear. The only thing I stated you could explain is why it’s foolish to deny that O’Keefe authored and scrubbed the blog. And, I’ll propose now, you can also explain why it would be foolish to deny that O’Keefe wrote every word attributed to him by the Daily Kos. You might say you can’t, but, if you did, the both of us would know you were lying.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:05 pmWTF are you gibbering about now?
JD (b1f7fc) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:23 pmI’m still trying to unpack EricPw’s seeming irrational animus toward O’Keefe.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:34 pm“WTF are you gibbering about now?”
JD – You hash it out with her. As long as she’s not trying to attribute positions not taken by Breitbart or Patterico by virtue of their silence on the point, I’m happy to let her go on. That was blatant overreach on her part.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:38 pm[…] already pointed out some uncorrected errors here. In addition, Frank Ross notes that Salon is still running the Photoshopped picture of […]
Patterico's Pontifications » CJR Whacks Blumenthal, Postures (e4ab32) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:48 pmI’ve pretty much ignored the hysterical screeching from this idjit, but to be challenged to explain why attributions by the Daily Kos might just be discounted as being from less than a credible source?
Good grief. Stop wasting electrons.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/9/2010 @ 6:56 pmPaterrico and Breitbart have both considered the evidence that O’Keefe authored the “Feathers of Steel” and know that he wrote it.
JD — if you believe it, affirmatively state that “The Daily Kos fabricated, in whole or in part, the quotes it attributed to James O’Keefe in a blog called Feathers of Steel.”
You won’t, because you don’t.
But feel free to weasel out of stating your position by claiming you “don’t play games” or respond to “gibberish.”
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:26 pmNortheast Elizabeth do you deny that you previously beat your three wives and then lied about it later? Do you deny that you blogged about it and then shut down your blog?
John Hitchcock (9859e6) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:40 pm“Paterrico and Breitbart have both considered the evidence that O’Keefe authored the “Feathers of Steel” and know that he wrote it.”
Northeast Elizabeth – Are you a psychic?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:41 pmIt is my opinion that Paterrico and Breitbart have both considered the evidence that O’Keefe authored the “Feathers of Steel” and know that he wrote it.
FTFY Northeast Elizabeth
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:43 pmYou really don’t get this “assertions must be proven” thing, do you? Just because you’ve decided something is true doesn’t make it a fact. It is your opinion, which may or may not be correct. That’s the point most people have been trying to make with you and you fail to understand it every time. You don’t know that Patterico and Breitbart have considered or what they know. You might be right, but stating it as fact does not make it so. Same with your statement. JD will probably not make it, but not for the reason you gave. If he made it, he would be obligated to prove it if challenged. That’s why you shouldn’t make statements you can’t prove. Call them your opinion, fine. Stop calling them facts or you will continue to see it challenged.
I don’t deny that O’Keefe may have authored a blog under that name, but I don’t accept it as fact either. I really don’t care much either way since the assertion came from Dkos and is completely unrelated to either the ACORN videos or the Louisiana case. It’s a slimy attempt to smear someone who damaged the progressive cause. Personally, I believe that if there was any truth to it, the story would have been shouted from the rooftops and in every MSM outlet soon after the first ACORN video hit. I would not be surprised to learn that Dkos fabricated this completely, but I don’t know, can’t prove it, and don’t much care. I just don’t like dishonest arguments and stating your opinion as fact qualifies in my book.
Now, if you’re going to call O’Keefe a racist, do so and be done with it. This “concern” act you started with has shown its true colors and you may as well just say what you’ve concluded and begone. I accept that you may believe everything you’ve said. I don’t care anymore because you’ve become so annoying in stating opinion as fact repeatedly that I don’t find your conclusions credible. I’m not denying them, just dismissing them… and you. I feel stupid for giving you the benefit of the doubt earlier.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/9/2010 @ 7:46 pmJohn Hitchcock: Yes and yes.
You don’t know that Patterico and Breitbart have considered or what they know.
Stashui3: LOL!! Yet you know what I know about what they know? That rather contradicts your premise that no one can know what anyone else knows.
I know what they know because I’ve read their various statements on the issue. It’s really not so hard. By the way, I also know that you know the words “spoon” and “box” and “voracious” mean even though I’ve never seen you use them. And I’m not psychic. And no, it’s a fact you know those words, not merely my opinion. And no, your knowledge of those words isn’t an “assertion which must be proven.”
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:21 pmHe knows what you have proven, Northeast Elizabeth.
Which is something you evidently have not figured out.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:28 pmyou would have the be fucking retarded to believe any accusation of racism against O’Keefe that didn’t include video evidence with a chain of custody.
it’s obvious that ACORN, a billion dollar criminal enterprise, is motivated to commit this additional crime of slander. Too many high profile attempts to make this case have failed. Any additional accusations would have been investigated and proven if it were possible.
Jerks will attempt to fool the naive be repeating the accusation thousands of times. And if you find that compelling without proof, you’re a jerk too.
I wonder who they will attack next. It could be you NE Liz targets next. It could be Paul Ryan or Patterico or the poor slob next door who asks Obama an inconvenient question on the campaign trail.
If they could prove it, they would. They don’t use this method unless they can’t prove it.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:35 pmObviously.
The word you are searching for, and are, is “psychotic.”
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:36 pmSPQR,
So you’ve looked at all the links I provided in the various threads?
Didn’t think so.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:38 pmSPQR,
So you haven’t looked at hundreds of vague links that assert and don’t prove anything?
Didn’t think so.
Since you aren’t a totaly jackass.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:40 pmEW1(SG),
Are you yet another super-genius from the planet Comedy? I mean, the way you fashioned that whole psychic/psychotic word similarity thing into a humorous jibe at me was truly awesome.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:44 pmDustin — BRILLIANT!
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:46 pm“I know what they know because I’ve read their various statements on the issue. It’s really not so hard.”
Northeast Elizabeth – Prove your assertions please, with links and citations, since it’s not so hard. We’re here all week.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:48 pmNortheast Elizabeth, are you familiar with the Latin phrase Quo Est Demonstratum?
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:51 pmUntil you directly answer the question repeatedly asked of you, lizzie, I am certainly not going to make some blanket statement of fact that you wish me to. One, because you are crazy and obsessive. Two, because I do not tend to respond well when people I do not particularly care for start ordering me around. Three, because you are crazy and obsessive. For the final time, what from those excerpts, specifically, is giving you the vapors? What did he write that you believe gives evidence of his racist racisty heart?
JD (d6df01) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:56 pmIt was, wasn’t. I’ve managed inject more relevant content and humor into less than a dozen words than you have managed to in repetitively moronic posts over a period of days.
But that just won’t stop you from wasting electrons, will it.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:56 pmThat last post of mine was supposed to have another it in it, but somebody had already used up all the electrons for it.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:57 pmne liz, you’re just some psycho. You are actually investing your life in this.
I had a lot of free time last week, but luckily I do not this week.
Keep on keeping on, making hundreds of posts saying the exact same thing, and freaking out when reasonable people note that you lied a lot.
I will continue to cry violently in the corner of my mom’s basement, having been totally pwned by your cunning argumentation. O’Keefe is completely toast! Frogmarched, even!
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/9/2010 @ 8:59 pmDustin – Do you need an emergency Cheetos shipment?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:06 pmYes, I ate the all. I tend to stuff my face with lots of carbs when Assclown doodeyheads / NE Liz pwns me.
Moar cheesypoofs.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:12 pmHmmmm….
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:18 pmHmmmmmmm …. Not going to answer?
JD (d6df01) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:25 pmJD
I’m still reading – however every issue and most every article by OKeefe has to do with race
ad naseum.
Its almost impossible to imagine why someone would – in New Jersey – with the financial resources – want to stay at a college like Rutgers
Rutgers is what Rutgers is.
some would read this and think – here is a voice crying out from the wilderness
or as we in Louisiana would say some hound dogs howl and some growl…
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:30 pmRACISTS !!!!! There, isn’t that easier, Eric?
JD (6ed683) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:33 pmdaleyrocks, been there done that.
SPQR: It means, “if it’s in Latin, it must be true (and really really deep, just like the super-smart person who quoted it, cause omigosh it’s LATIN!!!)”
JD, see comment 37.
If I’m crazy and obsessive, I’d like to know your impression of the various commentors who are pushing the theory of a multi-blog conspiracy to simulate O’Keefe through
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:35 pmNortheast Elizabeth tries to Appeal to Authority and misses!
John Hitchcock (9859e6) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:39 pm“daleyrocks, been there done that.”
Northeast Elizabeth – Not on these threads. Even if you believe you have, since it’s not so hard, humor us and do it again, otherwise everyone will remain convinced you’re a fraud. Putting words and thoughts into the mouths of others such as Patterico and Breitbart who have not explicitly expressed them is not cool. Show your work.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:39 pmBut imagining that other people are jumping to conclusions based upon when James had to play nice or be expelled from campus – I can only imagine what he would have written without restrictions….
No wait, never mind he dressed up as a child slave merchant of death and went to Acorn offices and made interesting tapes of degenerates talking the talk with people (thank god) who were just pretending to be degenerates.
Oh yeah has Maselli issued anymore statements about the “security” of our federal
installationsbuildings?As if……
Was this before or after he was fired for being a blantant racist at a foundation or was this right after he arranged a white power meeting at Rutgers? (yeah yeah yeah everyone’s splitting hairs there I know he was just attending, then he was just curious, and now people are saying well before or after the assault on a pissed off black female by his associate blah blah blah now he did plan it but it wasnt all racist yeah yeah yeah I know cupcakes for freedom, no white frosting I understand wink wink nudge nudge)
Oh well, its the intentions that counted not the results.
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:40 pmdaleyrocks, been there done that.
SPQR: It means, “if it’s in Latin, it must be true (and really really deep, just like the super-smart person who quoted it, cause omigosh it’s LATIN!!!)”
Do you know what Veritas Vos Liberabit means? O’ Keefe sure does!
JD, see comment 37.
If I’m crazy and obsessive, I’d like to know your impression of the various commenters who are pushing the theory of a multi-blog conspiracy to impersonate O’Keefe through Latin-based blog urls, fabricated dorms expulsion anecdotes, Swiss-vacation fantasies and 9/11 poetry. IYKWIMAIKYD.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:41 pmLizzie – that is not an answer, as you simply reasserted all of the conjecture, and again stated it needs further consideration. Why does it need further consideration? Because it needs further consideration. Brilliant logic. What race are the Swiss? Stinky Indian midgets?
JD (6ed683) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:42 pmEPWJ, you are full of false assertions. That is all.
John Hitchcock (9859e6) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:44 pmI don’t know what you mean, because I do not speak crazy obsessive, lizzie.
JD (6ed683) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:45 pmJD
I dunno, this is not the Drefus of the conservative movement – James clearly was unhappy about the preponderance of black influence and culture at the University and decided that it would become the focal point of his protest movement. Whether you or I agree on this – you dont have a clue – which in your case is not all that unusual, rather common I would think.
I think that the Acorn thing could have been achieved without the racial toned theatrics by OKeefe. I think the stunt in Landrieus office could have been easily and effectively executed by just having some people try to call and the phone hilariously not ringing
Would have been devastating
But James has another agenda and if I were you guys – I would find out what was in that speech he gave in Louisiana hours before he executed that stunt and I would carefully research who was at that meeting and what was said.
Before I jumped the shark.
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:47 pmEPWJ, you’ve been jumping the shark for a long time. Why stop now?
John Hitchcock (9859e6) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:49 pmJohn
again your saying it simply does not make it true
naturally this is the beginning, middle and end of your debating skills.
Resume your blantant namecalling at your leisure.
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:52 pmEPWJ, you’re the one making sweeping accusations based on conjecture and misrepresentations of the facts and then declaring your sweeping accusations as “settled science.”
John Hitchcock (9859e6) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:57 pmNow Eric is pseudo-psycho-analyzing someone. Miss Cleo style. I am still waiting for that Breitbart indictment.
JD (6ed683) — 2/9/2010 @ 9:57 pmHere’s my points for the blogging impaired.
1. I have read and am still researching James, Andrew, Mary and now Jan in this saga
2. I have uncovered things like the Landrieus and the Federal prosecutor were life long friends, classmates, father probably eulogized the others father at a funeral not to long ago, there are business and deep social ties and arrangments going back decades and documented those as well
3. andrew has finally stopped talking since he was contradicting himself and well incriminating himself – and posted the transcripts
4. I am not anti James and anti Patterico, anti JD or even anti John Hitchcock, I am just pointing out that this guy has loads of ammunition against him that could and will undermine him and his body of work based upon the actions of the past. I am under no illusions that if Okeefe gets indicted – we are going to see pictures cell phone video of James on campus carefully edited pasted and dubbed to make him look like the worst enemy of freedom and democracy ever – I am under no polyanna wishes that the other side even plays remotely fair and is very capable of taking 10% content and stretching into 150%.
5. After all look what happened to Libby and Treacher, in Treachers case I’m beginning to think he’s extremely fortunate that they didnt back over him the way the other side is playing right now. The very fact that the bastard who ran him down isnt under arrest should be a wakeup call – but know we are throwing our weight behind someone who may have other writings out there.
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:02 pmJD
You are still waiting for a clue, but then so are the rest of us…….
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:04 pmAre you related to lizzie?
JD (6ed683) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:08 pmJD
My wife….
[note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:11 pmJD
But of course…
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:18 pmSorry Stashiu 🙂
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:27 pmNo worries, EPWJ… happens all the time. I think it was so short that Akismet thought it was spam. I just put the note there to let people know why the comment appeared out of seemingly nowhere. 🙂
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:38 pmEricPW – The SPLC and One People’s Project can probably help you with your research on O’Keefe and Breitbart.
James Madison (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:42 pm“daleyrocks, been there done that.”
Heh! IOW, I got a big mouf, I know I shouldn’t have ssid it, ’cause I got nothing, but I won’t take it back and you can’t make me, neener, neener, neener.
James Madison (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:47 pmI hate it when I forget to change the name back. Sorry about that.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/9/2010 @ 10:49 pmJames
Yeah those are real credible organizations
I only research things that are
A. Said by the people directly involved
B. Written and usually signed or posted by the people directly involved
C. Filmed and starred in directly by the people involved
D. Noted in Court Documents
E. Pictures and articles by Newspapers is used sparingly because well, the media is not the end all sourcing of truth and justice
What have you guys brought to the table
I think the word is nothing
Other words to use
Zip
Nada
zero
nuttin
Typical, Like I said we am trying to get confirmation (ie video) of the speech or now I’m being told its a plural just before he went and did his little stunt in the Fed Building.
I need to know what he said and to who and the why
Jumping the shark is painful and can require stiches
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 11:30 pmOff topic
Is this accurate?
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 11:33 pm#103: Bing is your friend….. i’d run a search, but the results i pick might not meet your stringent standards, so knock yourself out.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/9/2010 @ 11:40 pmredc1c4
Stringent? You have a problem with stringent research?
This may answer some questions
Yeah in other words – are you saying that quoting people and highlighting their writing and their direct actions is trumped by an uneducated unsourced opinion of a commentator on a story posted on a political blog?
Here I was going the wrong way all this time… 🙂
EricPWJohnson (99fa89) — 2/9/2010 @ 11:49 pmsarcasm is wasted on the dull.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:04 amBut so are you — because you sloppily and stupidly believed wiretapping allegations until some blog explained what the allegations were. I didn’t, because I immediately reviewed the complaint. Because I possees the anaytic and critical skills that you lack.
Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/9/2010 @ 5:41 pm
Because I possees the anaytic and critical skills that you lack. (2 e’s in possess? anaytic?)
Because I lack the critical and analytical reasoning skills that you possess.–FTFY
There you go making assumptions again. All you do is make an ass out of yourself.
I never believed the allegations lodged by the LSM. I never believe a damn thing they say until I have independently verified it. If they state that the sky is blue, I verify it before I ever accept their word for it. You are the one that completely swallows anything that you read, just as you swallow the KOS line (egad,anybody that believes their crap is a total moron) that he had a blog and made some racy, racisty racist comments. You are the one that keeps pushing this, and I am the one that keeps demanding evidence that it happened. I read the complaint as soon as it was released you fookin moron, and my suspicions proved valid once again.
You were making all kinds of statements how he was most likely guilty of anything and everything, just like you still are.
You still have not disproved the charges I made against you with the same type of evidence that you think is so incriminating of O’Keefe.
Sheesh, everyone just ignore this mentally deficient troll. She has been sniffing way too much fairy dust. Calls others sloppy and stupid, but she is the one that swallows the KOS line.
What a total DUMBASS.
peedoffamerican (cadcec) — 2/10/2010 @ 7:35 amIgnore her that is, unless you want to play Whackatroll.
peedoffamerican (cadcec) — 2/10/2010 @ 7:37 amAww, I peedoff peedoff. Poor baby had to resort to typo-mocking.
But I know he reads and analyzes nothing, because if had read the particular Kos post in question and done some follow-up research. He would have come to the same conclusion that I, JD, Patterico and Breitbart regarding the provenance of Feathers of Steel. It’s not enough to say Kos always lies (or Blumenthal always lie). Patterico and Breitbart certainly didn’t — they provided point-by-point rebuttals to the best of their ability.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/10/2010 @ 8:49 amNo, Northeast Elizabeth, that’s not what it means.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/10/2010 @ 9:12 amSPQR,
Your devastating response was well worth the wait. I couldn’t have thought up something more clever in ten lifetimes — much less ten hours.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/10/2010 @ 9:20 amWhackatroll
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 9:29 amWe know.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/10/2010 @ 11:08 amI see lizzie has decided to speak for Breitbart and Patterico again. Not wise.
JD (360352) — 2/10/2010 @ 11:56 amI couldn’t have thought up something more clever in ten lifetimes.
Comment by Northeast Elizabeth
Given how much of … this you are able to produce with the one life, I struggle to fathom just how much baloney you could come up with in ten. Maybe you could be a Chicago alderman.
But I agree, you would still not come up with anything clever. Screaming the same lie 3000 times isn’t exactly clever. We get it, you hate O’Keefe because you’re the pure conservative. How original.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:08 pmYes, I can confidently speak for Breitbart and Patterico on the issue of whether O’Keefe authored the Feathers of Steel blog. I can also speak for them regarding their love for kittens and opposition to genocide. It’s really not so hard determining what people think, although on some issues it takes more research than others.
I don’t hate O’Keefe. I admired his I investigation of Planned Parenthood and vigorously defended his ACORN work. With respect to the latter, I posted a number of carefully analyses of the Philadelphia office’s police report and its office manager’s videotaped defense, supplementing what had been inadequate efforts in that regard by Patterico and Breitbart.
I do have serious concerns about his continuing role as a conservative hero. His arrest doesn’t help, and quite frankly demonstrates an extraordinary cluelessness regarding simple matters of law. The issues raised by his tenure at Rutgers aren’t helpful, and your lemming-like embrace of conspiracy theories on his behalf is rather distressing.
Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:33 pmNo you can’t. Sticks tongue out. neener, neener, neener.
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:39 pm“your lemming-like embrace of conspiracy theories on his behalf is rather distressing.”
LOL
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:39 pmThat’s the problem with schools these days, the development of a high self-esteem based on falsehoods instead of facts.
John Hitchcock (b67c24) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:39 pmNext it’ll be channelling Wolfman Jack.
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:46 pmThinks she’s Kreskin, doesn’t she? Here’s a site for you to put in a job application Lizzie.
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:51 pmJD you’re just a troll feeding a troll. Kos smears O’Keefe with a phony, invisible blog but you say it’s “likely” O’Keefe wrote it. Lizzie blathers on about it for hundreds of comments with NO PROOF of its existence yet you claim the Kossacks are telling the truth. The both of you should just STFU.
[Northeast Elizabeth, you’re in moderation for sockpuppeting until Patterico or DRJ decide to release you or not. –Stashiu]
Wentworth (24fc2b) — 2/10/2010 @ 12:55 pmJD just assumed the KOS story was accurate for the sake of argument, because even if it was, the case against O’Keefe was ridiculously light.
He grants that there is no proof of it, and says it seems true probably because if someone were to make up a myth like that they would have come up with something more harmful to O’Keefe.
I think he’s not thinking game theory on that, but he’s not being a troll.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:02 pmWentworth,
In defense of JD, he said that it’s possible that O’Keefe had a blog at some time, but that it still doesn’t prove any of the asspulls that Lizzie keeps making up.
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:04 pmWentworth,
In defense of JD, he said that it’s possible that O’Keefe had a blog at some time, but that it still doesn’t prove any of the asspulls that Lizzie keeps making up.
And JD is in no way a troll.
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:04 pmThat’s gonna leave a mark.
John Hitchcock (b67c24) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:22 pmIf Wentworth = NE Liz that demonstrates a pretty stunning effort.
I guess that means JD really, really got to it with the ‘Even if that’s true, so what?’ argument.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:35 pmIf Wentworth=NE Liz it means that she admitted to being a dishonest little troll and needs to be banned, period.
peedoffamerican (44a207) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:41 pmIt is easier to evade State Department Chevies and reform healthcare than to get banned from this site.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/10/2010 @ 1:51 pmThat was freakin’ hysterical. Give them time, and enough rope …
JD (8bf6d7) — 2/10/2010 @ 2:11 pm“If Wentworth = NE Liz that demonstrates a pretty stunning effort.”
Agreed.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/10/2010 @ 5:21 pmAndrew Breitbart Never Backs Down and He Really is on Fire and Here is Taking on Max Blumenthal…
Allahpundit at Hot Air has the details and the video:
Via Big Journalism.
Defend America (5815fb) — 2/20/2010 @ 2:06 pmI’m kicking myself for not having covered this at the time because most
of you won’t know the background before watching. Briefly, lefty smear
merchant Max……
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