Dave Weigel Destroys Salon Hit Piece on O’Keefe’s Alleged Racism
When that Max Blumenthal Salon hit piece came out about James O’Keefe’s attendance at a debate, Dave Weigel was quick to pen a post that said he had been at the same event and “can confirm all the details about it.” This led some, such as D. Aristophanes at Sadly, No, to suggest that Weigel was backing up Blumenthal on the allegation that O’Keefe was manning a table of racist literature:
Breitbart is now tweeting that ‘Weigel DENIES’ that O’Keefe manned a table selling Neo-Nazi claptrap during a White-Man-Negro-Haters Club meet-and-greet held at Georgetown University in 2006.
Odd, because here’s what Weigel says about this:
I was at the 2006 event that leads Blumenthal’s story and can confirm all the details about it.
Weigel later wrote another post that made it clear that he was not backing up Blumenthal on the “manning the table” allegation — yet D. Aristophanes did not correct his post to note this fact.
Odd.
It’s almost as if D. Aristophanes cites Dave Weigel only when Dave Weigel seems to support Blumenthal’s story — but ignores Weigel when Weigel says things that attack the Blumenthal fantasy.
Well, let’s make things even more uncomfortable for D. Aristophanes and his kind. Because Weigel just gave them a lot more that they need to ignore. Weigel today publishes a post titled Clarification — and Mea Culpa — on James O’Keefe and ‘Race and Conservatism’ and says:
[L]ater that day, as Breitbart started pushing back against the story, I wrote: “I’m curious to see what Breitbart goes after — I was at the 2006 event that leads Blumenthal’s story and can confirm all the details about it.” That was sloppy phrasing — I meant that I could confirm all the stuff I’d already written. I had no idea that One People’s Project had told Breitbart’s reporter that I could confirm the facts as presented by them. They should stand by their own story — and they really, really need to produce a full photo of O’Keefe at the event.
(Emphasis in original.)
Weigel is far from conservative — but he does appear to me to be an honest writer. Now, according to the logic of the left, the fact that Weigel was at the event means he is a racist and you can’t believe anything he says. Right? But assuming you don’t subscribe to that loony “logic,” you might pay some attention to what Weigel has to say:
While I’d been at the event, it was Isis, a photographer/investigator for the One People’s Project, who told me that her photo was actually a picture of O’Keefe at a table of controversial literature. But several e-mailers and commenters have pointed out that my first post appeared to endorse Blumenthal’s whole story. I want to quickly walk through that story and point out the parts that, based on my experience at the event and interviews with Isis and event organizer Marcus Epstein, were not true.
(My emphasis.)
Weigel then goes on to list five separate things in the Salon story that Weigel says “were not true,” including:
- Salon’s description of the event as a “conference on ‘Race and Conservatism’” — Weigel says it “was a two-hour debate, not a conference.” That makes a big difference, as one’s attendance at a debate does not by itself indicate an allegiance with one side or another.
- Salon’s claim that “The leading speaker was Jared Taylor” whom Salon labels a white supremacist — Weigel says that Taylor is controversial, but “was only one of three speakers.”
- Salon’s claim that O’Keefe helped “plan” the event — Weigel notes that his other sources agree with O’Keefe that O’Keefe had no planning role. Weigel concludes that O’Keefe “absolutely wasn’t” a planner of the event.
- Salon’s claim that black conservative Kevin Martin “was added at the last minute” to provide cover for conservatives — Weigel provides an e-mail proving that Martin was invited 29 days before the event.
- Salon’s claim that “O’Keefe was manning the literature table” — Larry O’Connor tracked down Blumenthal’s source, who claimed that Weigel had witnessed O’Keefe manning the table. Weigel makes it clear that he didn’t: “I never told anyone that O’Keefe had ‘planned’ the event or ‘manned’ the table, because I could not confirm those things.”
Max Blumenthal’s story has completely fallen apart. It is time for Salon to issue a lengthy and detailed retraction.
Oh, and D. Aristophanes also owes O’Keefe a retraction.
I’ll be over in the corner, declining to hold my breath.
But, the fact that it could possibly be true (or truthy) that O’Keefe is secretly a racist is enough to excuse ACORN, right? I mean, if a possibly secret racist points out government funded support for human sex trafficking, then all’s forgiven. Them’s the rules.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 7:44 ampwned.
Good Lt. (51111a) — 2/5/2010 @ 7:46 amLet’s have Lizzie come on here and now explain why she was righteously correct in her smears and outright fabrications she stated yesterday.
Dmac (539341) — 2/5/2010 @ 7:46 amAs I found in my own experience with the Sadly Pathetics, they aren’t interested in the truth, but just in having somebody to turn into their kickball for the day. In fact, they ignore anything that runs contrary to what they present as true. Not surprisingly, for people who can’t stand behind what they post, they all post anonymously. They’re just the grownup (and I use that term loosely) version of a bunch of mean junior high girls.
Amy Alkon (6146c8) — 2/5/2010 @ 7:49 amYes, this really proves once and for all that there is absolutely no such thing as racism in the conservative movement, since those tables with racist literature was, like, several feet from O’Keefe.
tord (4a4527) — 2/5/2010 @ 7:59 amYes, this really proves once and for all that there is absolutely no such thing as racism in the conservative movement, since those tables with racist literature was, like, several feet from O’Keefe.
This was just entered into the Oxford English Dictionary under “strawman.” Congratulations!
We appreciate your impressive concern over inaccuracies in a story that supports your narrative. It takes a real man like you to stand up and acknowledge them, even though they damage your framing of the controversy.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:02 amThe story wasn’t just about the “debate” that had 3 bigots and no non-bigots. Taylor, a white supremacist, says the LI members came to him after and agreed with him.
Jay (b9b5e0) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:02 amYeah, tord. That’s some ironclad geometric logic you got yourself there.
Somesay the Strawmarian's cousin, Logic L. Fallacy (931dde) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:03 amAlso, Epstein, O’Keefe’s friend, is the racist who attacked a black woman. O’Keefe is the racist who got tossed out of a dorm for being a racist. Etc…
Non-racists simply don’t have this many racist things going on in their background.
Jay (b9b5e0) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:08 amAlso, Epstein, O’Keefe’s friend, is the racist who attacked a black woman. O’Keefe is the racist who got tossed out of a dorm for being a racist. Etc…
Non-racists simply don’t have this many racist things going on in their background.
Jay (b9b5e0) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:09 amLet’s have Lizzie come on here and now explain why she was righteously correct in her smears and outright fabrications she stated yesterday.
Oh, I’m perfectly prepared to apologize. Right after Patterico writes a post entitled Salon and Kos Engage in Outrageous Fake College Blog Conspiracy to Smear O’Keefe which addresses the following points:
(1) Whether, in 2006, James O’Keefe while at Rutgers ran a blog called “Feathers of Steel” at http://www.libertas.blogspot.com;
(2) whether O’Keefe derived the url of the blog from the phrase “veritas vos libertas,” the motto of the conservative publication he later founded, and the phrase (translated into English) that he used in his first tweet following his arrest;
(3) Whether in his 2006 blog, he recounted being led out of his dorm room crying and screaming after being accused of call the residents of his “all-black” dorm the “N” word and then having to defended himself to a “black dean”;
(4) whether in that blog, he mocked an “idiot midget” roommate who “smelled like shit”;
(5) Whether a Daily Kos diarist discovered the blog in September 2009 and quoted large sections of it verbatim;
(6) Whether the Daily Kos diarists readers also saw O’Keefe’s alleged blog;
(7) whether O’Keefe scrubbed the blog out of embarrassment upon realizing the Kos Diarist had linked to it
(8) whether O’Keefe used the screenname “FeatherofSteel” at a dating site;
(9) whether last week he scrubbed his dating profile after a blogger discovered it and he realized people would make the connection to his already scrubbed Rutgers blog.
Seriously, Patterico could really do major damage to Salon and Kos by demonstrating they faked an “N” word incident put the “indian midget” and “black dean” words in O’Keefe’s mouth — through an elaborate created-and-scrubbed blog scheme. Go for it!
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:20 amStep 1. Assume racism, cuz logic is hard
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:21 amStep 2. …
Step 3. Profit
Not exactly on point but the other thread is ovet 250 comments now.
If the allegation about the Rutgers incident are true, then a school Dean ordered O’Keefe to be moved out of a residence hall. That would require an official, recordable act. And yet the only evidence of this entire episode is some comments made at a defunct (and now inaccessable) blog? Something smells.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:21 amWasn’t his rallying cry Veritas, “Truth”
ian cormac (79614d) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:35 amI see Dizzy Lizzy is tripling down on stupid. If it is ever outed IRL, it should be branded with “LIAR” on its forehead.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:36 amHey, let’s be generous and stipulate that O’Keefe is an outrageously outrageous racist, and that he did the ACORN sting for outrageously outrageous reasons.
Does that let ACORN off the hook? Since we all know that is what this sudden onslaught of RACIST! accusations is all about.
Does that let ACORN off the hook?
Somesay the Strawmarian's cousin, Logic L. Fallacy (931dde) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:39 amThey want it to be true, so it is true for them. The thing about Patterico is, when he is wrong, he says so.
Not so these little alphabetists.
Eric Blair (2708f4) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:41 amIf the allegation about the Rutgers incident are true, then a school Dean ordered O’Keefe to be moved out of a residence hall. That would require an official, recordable act. And yet the only evidence of this entire episode is some comments made at a defunct (and now inaccessable) blog? Something smells.
If the allegations are completely made up, it would more than “smell,” and a separate post is warranted to expose the fake-and-scrubbed blog conspiracy.
If the blog was authentic, it’s not quite clear what happened. O’Keefe (allegedly) blogged he “was lead crying and screaming” out of his room, and then had to explain himself to a black dean named Tolbert (and there is a black residence director named Michael Tolbert at Rutgers). However, although the Kos diarist says that O’Keefe was then “kicked out of the dorm,” he doesn’t quote from the (alleged) blog on that.
It may be that (if any of this happened), O’Keefe agreed to voluntarily leave the dorm without any official finding. In an earlier (alleged) post, O’keefe (allegedly) said that the reason he was in the all-black dorm (with the indian midget) in the first place is that he voluntarily left another dorm room where one of his roommmates was gay and the other was crazy.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:42 amHey, let’s be generous and stipulate that O’Keefe is an outrageously outrageous racist, and that he did the ACORN sting for outrageously outrageous reasons.
Does that let ACORN off the hook? Since we all know that is what this sudden onslaught of RACIST! accusations is all about.
No, of course it does not, and I have vigorously defended O’Keefe against ACORN’s lies at this blog, Politico, Media Matters and other blogs in the past. But the race stuff is a distraction.
I suspect that since Blumenthal & Co. have been caught in so many race-related lies about O’Keefe, whatever the truth is about the college blog isn’t going to matter. When I first looked into the blog issue, I expected it to be a bunch of Kos nonsense but I had lingering concerns. And again, if so many of you are certain the blog was a fake, you really should try to destroy Salon & Kos with it so they never pull this garbage again.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:51 amThe entire thing boils down to who do you believe. The left has been caught outright lying multiple times throughout this manufactured drama, yet they still claim the right to have O’Keefe respond line by line to their allegations. At what point does the credibility of the attackers drop below the point of contempt?
And it’s not as if this is an isolated event of partisan leftists making baseless accusations of racism or manufacturing data to score artificial PR wins against republicans. The Truther movement, Tailhook, Rathergate, The Winner ads against Palin, and pretty much everything Andrew Sullivan has said for the past four years.
Basically, we have a bunch of non-credible folks making a series of allegations, most of which are demonstrably false, and a spare few of which are not demonstrably true, all in the hopes of bloodying the nose of someone who dealt a body blow to a favorite leftist pet. It is petty vengeance, character assassination, and beneath contempt. Furthermore, it does nothing to reduce the damage already done to ACORN, and reemphasizes the moral bankruptcy of progressivism in general; that they are willing and eager to lie at the barest pretext for what they perceive to be political advantage, no matter how slight.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:52 amElizabeth, even assuming the gist of that story is true, of what relevance is it? I’m as concerned (more concerned, usually) as the next guy with ostracizing racists from the party. I’m uncomfortable even with people who seem to obsess about race, even if they don’t appear to be “racist” (whatever that means these days).
But even if true, those were the blog postings of a kid in college. So what? I know for sure I wrote some stupid stuff when I was in college.
Lord knows there’s plenty of liberals out there who wore Che t-shirts and were full-on communists back in their college days. Does that disqualify them? Does anybody at all obsess over whether having once supported communism as a young stupid college kid brands you forever a communist? No.
So the attempted Kos hit-piece on the old blog just doesn’t mean much of anything, even assuming that the post on it is not lying or fabricating quotes, and that O’Keefe himself actually did post on it. At most, it would show a young man obsessing more than he should over racial identifications. He’s hardly alone in that, and it is the left, not the right, who demands that people be identified and treated differently based on their racial identity group.
PatHMV (c0c73a) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:53 amIf Blumenthal and co, have been caught in so many lies, why cite them, or even trust what they link. Now Weigel pointed out there was one truth in the story, that O’Keefe was at the conference, and Jared Taylor was there. However everything else is as Mary McCarthy said about Lillian Hellman; ” everything is a lie, including and & the”
ian cormac (79614d) — 2/5/2010 @ 8:59 amNoreaster picked an apt name. She’s a wind-bag. And her 8:42 comment was crafted specifically to give her “legal” cover as she goes on her infernal attack of nonsense. She is an (alleged) insane brain-dead twoofer and gaia worshipper and if she doesn’t meticulously prove the negative on each and every point, she only proves heer (alleged) insane brain-dead twoofer and gaia worshipper status. (See how easy that is?)
John Hitchcock (a56ca4) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:00 amIts amusing that Northeast Elizabeth doubles down on her act here.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:06 amHahahahahahahahahahaha.
Wait a second. Gotta catch my breath.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Oh, man. That’s wild. You mean Kos, the guy who is still looking for Lucy Ramirez, right? Funny funny stuff.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:07 amElizabeth, even assuming the gist of that story is true, of what relevance is it?
I agree, not all the much, given O’Keefe’s age at the time. But any time you have “N” word allegations in the mix, the overall context is going to be ignored. Also, it depends on how it’s handled. If he denies authorship of the blog and of scrubbing it, it could cause a problem.
The only reason I’ve pursued this so long is that I was met with rather vehement denials for suggesting that such a blog could have been authored by him. I was rather surprised, because in pursuing the Ellie Light story this blog was content to let the cards fall where they may. We all wanted to discover that Ellie Light was David Axelrod, but if fell somewhat short of that (despite internet evidence linking that couple to some PR firms).
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:11 amA suggestion that is easily mistaken as an apologia for the known liars making the accusation.
I do believe you were accused unfairly of being a leftist by commenters when you were playing devil’s advocate. Internet anonymitiy being what it is, it’s tough to discern who’s playing devil’s advocate, and who is simply the devil. Can we agree that Blumenthal and those pushing the unfounded racist accusations are bottom-feeders without credibility, and leave it at that?
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:22 amSounds like a convoluted appeal to authority and an attempt at inappropriate inclusiveness while prevaricating. Like she ate so many Jell-O shooters, she became one.
John Hitchcock (a56ca4) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:23 amNE,
Why do you keep insisting that posters here prove a negative? You have the burden of proof backwards. Give us a link to the site on which these alleged racist remarks are posted, or give up.
Your hole is already most of the way to China.
Dan S (665bb6) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:29 amAnd her 8:42 comment was crafted specifically to give her “legal” cover as she goes on her infernal attack of nonsense.
No, I’ve been saying the same thing pretty much all along. I’m not sure what you think is “nonsense,” but if it’s my defense of the circumstantial evidence that O’Keefe maintained the Feathers of Steel” blog, you should elaborate your reasons for adopting the “fake-a-blog-and-scrub-it” conspiracy angle.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:29 amWhy do you keep insisting that posters here prove a negative? You have the burden of proof backwards. Give us a link to the site on which these alleged racist remarks are posted, or give up.
Oh, stop it. I’ve explained repeatedly that I was relying on the Daily Kos post linked in the Salon piece, and the excerpts reproduced in the link. My proof is simply that the fake-and-scrub-a-blog theory don’t make a lot of sense.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:34 amAs an aside, why is racism considered a greater sin than lying by so many?
Dan S (665bb6) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:35 am“Oh, stop it. I’ve explained repeatedly that I was relying on the Daily Kos post linked in the Salon piece, and the excerpts reproduced in the link. My proof is simply that the fake-and-scrub-a-blog theory don’t make a lot of sense.
Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/5/2010 @ 9:34 am”
You expect sense from KOS kiddies. Sad. The evidence is strongly against that. You know “excerpts” are nothing but text that anyone can type into their message, right? You think those on the left don’t manufacture evidence? Were you born when Dan Rather was brought to his knees?
You have no proof. You are making unsupported assertions. Why would you do that except to smear O’Keefe?
Your pretended concern is just that. You’re here to attempt to erode opinion in O’Keefe’s favor, probably so that future exposees from his efforts are discounted.
If that isn’t your aim. Stop playing by the opposition’s game plan. If that is your aim, by all means continue.
It’s amusing watching you try to justify a position that is entirely unsupported by any verifiable evidence.
Dan S (665bb6) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:41 amWill Charlie Johnson over at Little…balls issue a retraction for his smear (which cites this Weigel guy as confirmation of his claim), or will he just continue to delete the comments and accounts of those commenters calling him to task?
Dave (in MA) (037445) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:43 amCan someone think up some catchy “truther” like moniker to describe these liberals who make up crap out their you know what and then stick to it in order slime an ideological opponent because they are unable to do so with facts, truth and intelligence?
Topsecretk9 (3cfaa7) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:47 amSo D. Aristophanes is a Max Blumenthal wannabe? I suppose everyone has to have a goal in life, but if I were Aristophanes I’d think of setting my sights slightly higher than “pond scum”.
Subotai (b36b3e) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:49 amDave Weigel:
“As for my original point that there’s a conservative subculture that indulges in extremist politics with the expectation that no one will find out and care — well, I stand by that, and I think this episode has gone some way toward changing that”
Hanging out with racists. I suppose you could call that guilt by association, but then we’re not talking about moral responsibility not legality,
The defense represented by comrade Pat is losing on points.
Max Schreck (40f738) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:49 amAnd losing badly.
Who cares? Johnson is off into nutter territory. Whatever potency he once had is spent in his obvious lunacy. The less attention paid to his sad misadventures, the better.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:50 amYou know “excerpts” are nothing but text that anyone can type into their message, right?
Yes, and so is Patterico’s blog, and every blog, and every comment.
But I’m relying on the specific facts recited in the blog about Rutgers, the dorms, the deans, O’Keefe’s roommates and friend, the url coincidences. Not everyone has the knowledge to type THAT stuff into their messages. I suppose the Kos guy could have done a lot of research and concocted the blog (why DOESN’T Patterico run with THAT??), but I’d think he’s try to make a more conclusive case of racism if that were the case.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:50 amI love how lizzie still only wants to talk about some he said / she said allegation from years ago as opposed to the demonstrated dishonesty of the Kos Kiddiez, Dsophistry, and Blumenthal.
JD (5b6053) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:56 amI love how lizzie still only wants to talk about some he said / she said allegation from years ago as opposed to the demonstrated dishonesty of the Kos Kiddiez, Dsophistry, and Blumenthal.
JD (5b6053) — 2/5/2010 @ 9:58 amHey, how about “Northeast Elizabethers”?
Topsecretk9 (3cfaa7) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:00 amNortheast Elizabeth – According to this story O’Keefe was judged by a Dean by the name of Talbot. According to what Elizabeth has written on this blog only one of these two men belonged to a racist organization.
Elizabeth – You say (and I paraphrase), Whenever allegations of the “N” word are in play that is a big deal. According to what you have written here O’Keefe was accused by ONE person of using that word. That person then denounced him to the African-American residents of his dorm. He was then dragged before a school official (who belongs to a group you reffered to as “The Black Men’s Collective”) and found guilty and removed from his residence based on the unsupported word of one accuser and what sounds (from your description) remarkably like a mob action. And your only reasoning on why there would be no official record of this is, “Maybe he pled guilty to the trumped up charges, and voluntarily allowed the mob to make him homeless.”
As to your laughable notion, Whenever allegations of the “N” word are in play that is a big deal. How did that work out for Senator Byrd. Of course he is a Klan member and a Democrat (but I repeat myself) so he gets a pass from NE and all of her ilk.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:05 am[…] the indispensable Patterico (Patrick Frey) has joined the fray. In a post this morning, Patterico dissects Weigel’s mea culpa and adds: Weigel is far from […]
» The Wheels Come Off for Salon and Blumenthal as Weigel Issues ‘Clarification’ of O’Keefe Event - Big Journalism (4556c3) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:06 amTSK9,
I think we do need some kind of moniker like birther or truther to label those who peddle unjustified allegations of racism to destroy the general O’Keefe circle (or more).
JD nails the real point here: we have a proven story and this is an attempt to change the topic. NE Liz thinks Salon still has a great reputation, or she wouldn’t demand Patterico disprove yet another story to somehow prove yet again what we already should realize about them. And I am pretty sure another anonymous person would come forward with yet another claim. And another. Sorry Liz, but the case on Salon is already closed. Nothing left to prove.
I say we call them Little Tawanas.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:06 amBECAUSE THERE WAS A BLOG !!!!!!!!!!! AND HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A MIDGET !!!!!!! AND SOMETHING ABOUT DENYING WHAT SOMEONE SAID ABOUT HIM !!!!!!!!
The Sadly, No people, predictably, have chosen to run with the fake but accurate idea.
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:06 amI love how lizzie still only wants to talk about some he said / she said allegation from years ago as opposed to the demonstrated dishonesty of the Kos Kiddiez, Dsophistry, and Blumenthal
Ah, but under your theory the “he said / she said allegations” are PART of the demonstrated dishonesty of the Kos Kiddiez!!! Why not ram this exquisitely-constructed faked-and-scrubbed-blog hoax up their collective asses as well?
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:08 amJust looking around for other bits of info about the contestants.
Along with racism, Jared Taylor, and racism and assault charges, Epstein, we have this:
“DERBYSHIRE: Among the hopes that I do not realistically nurse is the hope that female suffrage will be repealed. But I’ll say this – if it were to be, I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep.
COLMES: We’d be a better country if women didn’t vote?
DERBYSHIRE: Probably. Don’t you think so?
COLMES: No, I do not think so whatsoever.
DERBYSHIRE: Come on Alan. Come clean here [laughing].
COLMES: We would be a better country? John Derbyshire making the statement, we would be a better country if women did not vote.
DERBYSHIRE: Yeah, probably.”
What a bunch of wackjobs.
Max Schreck (40f738) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:09 amlizzie – Did you forget that I was one that said it was likely his blog? What, from those excerpts, is giving you the obsessive vapors?
Anyone who ever read anything by Derbyshire is a sexist racist, Max. That is all.
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:11 amCan you prove that cop didn’t rape Tawana? Can you really? The N word was used, and any time the N word is used, we should drop everything and give the allegations priority. Because that’s not a recipe for cons or anything.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:16 amHave Blue,
(1) Tolbert, not Talbot. Michael Tolbert, a residence director.
(2) I agree O’Keefe may have been lynched and ejected by a racist mob, which is precisely what his (alleged) blog suggests. If so, he should counter with his story, rather than scrubbing the blog.
(3) Tolbert belonged to a group called the “Black Men’s Collective” — it’s that not because I referred to it as such, but because that’s its name.
(4) I never said he pled guilty to trumped up charges. I pointed out that, according to his own (alleged) admission, he voluntarily left his previous dorm because he apparently couldn’t get along withe his gay and crazy roommates. He may have decided he didn’t want to stay in the “all-black” dorm after his second crazy roommate made the (allegedly) false accusation regarding the “N” word use.
(5) In an earlier thread I did expressly assert that Sen. Byrd does not belong in polite society.
(3)
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:18 amtord and Jay and Max and lizzie are idiots. That is all.
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:19 amHE SCRUBBED A BLOG !!!!!!!! HE MUST BE A RACIST !!!!!!!!!!!!
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:20 amNE Liz, I asked you a question. Can you prove Tawana wasn’t raped? The N word was used.
This is really serious. You could do a lot of good.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:26 amWho took that picture of James O’Keefe at the rally? It was obviously someone else attending that rally. By Blumenthal’s logic, that person, too, must be a racist. Why is Blumenthal supporting racist photographers? A slight extension to Blumenthal’s logic would, in fact, make Blumenthal a racist.
George (d57b1d) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:26 amFor one, Patterico would be accusing someone of perfidy with scant evidence and a lot of maybes. As has been demonstrated in this kerfuffle, that’s a lefty trick.
More conclusive case of racism how? Photoshopped pics of O’Keefe at a lynching? A secret swastika tattooed on his butt? Would a post claiming that O’Keefe had personally built and burned a cross have lent more or less credibility to this bull?
The fact that the Kossack who originally posted this stuff did NOT do so during the ACORN takedown makes the whole story suspect? Horses, barn door.
And as to the circumstantial evidence. You are taking the word of a provable liar because that liar provides some details that ring true? Really? Really? Getting minor details right is a key element of a good lie. Paraphrasing a line from “Shattered Glass,” there is one true thing in this story, there does seem to be a University named Rutgers.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:30 amIn an earlier thread I did expressly assert that Sen. Byrd does not belong in polite society
What exactly is “polite society”? What are its entrance requirements? Who sets them?
You seem disturbingly anxious to comply with PC dogma.
Subotai (a1e8f9) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:31 amLOL, NE Liz,
It is you who doesn’t belong in polite society. That’s why you won’t associate your accusations with your reputation.
Slanderous and anonymous attacks via the internet are the first refuge of weasels.
If you were to put your name to your ‘work’, you would quickly realize that bigots and people who slime others unfairly are similar in their exclusion from polite society. And why shouldn’t they be? It’s the same thing.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:34 amWe’re getting pretty deep into the woods with this college dorm business. I doubt anybody suggesting O’Keefe tell his side of the story would give it much creedence anyway.
That’s all just deflection, away from a very poor hit piece the Left is way too anxious to embrace. Honestly, I wouldn’t spend a moment of my time watching a conservative deflecting from the same sort of hackery were it authored by Fox or Coulter.
spongeworthy (c2e8fe) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:35 amHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A MIDGET !!!!!!!
I’m just relieved that we’re still allowed to spell out the word “miget” rather than refer to “the ‘M’ word”.
Subotai (a1e8f9) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:37 amDizzy Lizzy is taking lies and opinion and treating them as hard facts. Dizzy Lizzy ought to be pilloried and its picture after being pelted with rotten vegetables and fruits posted on the web.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:37 amRemember this Lizzie, the best lie is one with some truth mixed in.
If I read on Kos or Salon that the sky is blue, I would be damn sure to look out the window and confirm it for myself. They have been shown in so many lies, that any thing that they say should be cross checked, double checked, and have any available DNA evidence submitted FOR positive verification.
Really if you keep reading their tripe and give it any credence whatsoever, you will destroy your last 3 living brain cells.
Here is their motto, Which I suspect is yours also.
TROOFERS UNITE
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:38 amHe allegedly scrubbed a blog that allegedly existed and allegedly contained statements that were allegedly racist slurs. Have I got that right?
I find myself in agreement with Rahm on one thing…
what FRs!
Dan S (665bb6) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:41 amDamn, she says that he should defend himself against a charge of racism, and if he doesn’t it’s proof of his racism. Then will say that since he defended himself against a baseless asspull charge of racism, then he is guilty of racism.
Racists, all of you are.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:42 amDenounce you, I do.
Did you forget that I was one that said it was likely his blog?
Yes, sorry, it’s a bit hard to keep track off all the screennames and everything they’ve said (you just have to keep track of my name) But I do wonder why no one is calling you delusional and a liar for suggesting the Kossacks may have been honest in reproducing excerpts from the blog.
What, from those excerpts, is giving you the obsessive vapors?
Been there, done that, including your “vapors” routine (which is SEXIST!!!!111ELEVENTY!!!).
HE SCRUBBED A BLOG !!!!!!!! HE MUST BE A RACIST !!!!!!!!!!!!
Scrubbed a blog in 2009 immediately after it was posted by Kos, as opposed to as a matter of routine when he left the school. Patterico constantly (and rightly) uses evidence of scrubbing as consciousness of guilt.
NE Liz, I asked you a question. Can you prove Tawana wasn’t raped? The N word was used.
This is really serious. You could do a lot of good.
Hmmm . . . Did officer Pagones blog (or release a diary) about going into “all-black” neighborhood, getting accused of using the “N” word and raping someone, and then attempt to destroy the diary? If he did, and they read the diary, would it have merited an investigation?
It’s rather easy, in retrospect, to come to a conclusion regarding the Brawley case because a forensic investigation was made, the officers directly answered all the allegations, and even obtained a civil verdict against Sharpton. In this case, however, the facts aren’t clear, we have two sides diametrically opposed on whether the O’Keefe blog even existed, and O’Keefe hasn’t said anything about it other than he never “gave an account” about something.
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:47 amI personally just love to hear Jesse Peterson slam Obummer and the demoncraps. I would vote for him. But since he is not light-skinned, and speaks with a “negro dialect” he can never be elected president according to Dingy Harry. I guess that makes me a racist too!
I denounce myself.
RACIST
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:53 amPatterico is in the habit of capturing screenshots of cases where things disappear, or researching and finding wayback or other evidence of the changes. He has also never been caught manufacturing faked evidence… unlike some of those he has exposed.
Here we have nothing but assertions, alleged quotes and links to nowhere.
Any reasonable person would doubt.
“Doubt underpins science.” –Richard Smalley
Dan S (665bb6) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:53 amSo, random thought in all this.
What if it’s all a set-up. Suppose O’Keefe orchestrated the whole thing to show that the media was eager and willing to attack someone who made them look the fool, even on the barest evidence. That he fed the story to Salon anonymously, knowing they would fail to check it and believing other media outlets would report breathlessly about O’Keefe’s racism before bothering to do any factfinding. And knowing that he could take their eagerness to take him down as more evidence of media bias.
My evidence for this? Nada. Exactly the same as Blumenthal’s piece. I could claim it was on the word of someone close to O’Keefe, even throw in hints that Breitbart was in on it. Moreover, that’s kind of O’Keefe’s schtick, so my theory automatically gains credibility due to a larger pattern verifiable in the real world. But, in the end, I have only one basis for my story, a wild hypothesis emerging from my buttocks that fits my preconceptions of O’Keefe. Pretty much exactly the same basis and place of origin for Blumenthal’s story.
Hadlowe (061332) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:54 amHey do y’all remember that blog “confirmthem”? How did that turn out?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/report-shelby-blocks-all-obama-nominations-in-the-senate-over-al-earmarks.php
imdw (c5488f) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:58 amElizabeth snarls stomps foot and personally demands O’Keefe to defend himself against an asspull charge of racism. Defend yourself, you cur. She then drops to all fours, bristles, throws back her head, and howls screechingly at the moon.
Just another freakin’ moonbat.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:59 ameddling Tawana style accusations is just as bad as basic nasty racism, NE Liz. All you’ve shown is that you don’t even approach your standards for others.
You give and account of yourself. You’re accusing a real person based on rubbish that you can’t even convey accurately. Do it with your reputation attached. Got a blog? An email address? A name?
Since you don’t care when one smear is destroyed (and think Salon still has a reputation), what’s to stop you from anonymously making a new accusation if this one is bothered with?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 10:59 amNow the other moonbat shows up with, nothing to see here folks, look over there instead.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:01 amMy 71 is to 68
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:05 amYep, wondered when imdw would show up and fart.
Old Coot (ddf8be) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:11 amyep.
This whole thread reminds me of how I used to loathe defense attorneys. I thought they went into their field because they wanted a profitable slice of crime. I was immature.
I was called to jury duty and actually selected and did my best to be fair with the burden of doubt (which is really hard work). It wasn’t a crime of the century, but it was serious enough.
On that jury was a mockingbird killer like NE Liz. This person refused to actually make complete arguments. She insisted others make the opposite case. Every suspicion had to be disproven. Assumptions were grandiose.
I think it was handled well by the rest of us, but ever since then I have always thought that defense attorneys have an incredibly tough job. If I were charged with a crime, I would probably let the judge be the fact finder.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:12 amDid officer Pagones blog (or release a diary) about going into “all-black” neighborhood, getting accused of using the “N” word and raping someone, and then attempt to destroy the diary? If he did, and they read the diary, would it have merited an investigation?
Last I checked, raping someone was a crime. So I’d expect some level of investigation.
Talking about an “all-black” neighborhood? Not deserving of investigation. Talking about being accused of saying “nigger”? Not deserving an investigation.
Assuming for the sake of argment that Liz is not a raging moonbat, I’d guess that she’s the sort of Republican who’s spent her life in acadamia and has been throughly marinated in PC dogma. To such people the mere possiblity that a person has been accused of using “the ‘N’ word” (or has even said the word “black”) is akin to an accusation of murder and calls for a complete FBI investigation.
Subotai (a1e8f9) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:12 amAnd again, if so many of you are certain the blog was a fake, you really should try to destroy Salon & Kos with it so they never pull this garbage again.
Uh, no, sweetheart. You are the only one who’s come on here and repeatedly thrown your bloviating expectorate in our faces, forever gnashing your fangs in the hopes that linking those vile idiots as somehow credible sources who would give substance to your rantings. They’re not credible, and by association neither are you – this much we know without a shadow of a doubt. But since you insist on shrieking about this ad nauseum, it’s your solemn and sworn duty to take those bastards down! Do it, Lizzy! If not for your own sake, think of the country!
Please check back with us when you effectively “destroy Salon & Kos with it so they never pull this garbage again.” In the meantime, get a prescript for Vicodin and ingest repeatedly until your fevered rantings eventually subside – or put your head in a bag and breath deeply, whatever works.
Dmac (539341) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:13 amWhile this is very charitable, this isn’t unrealistic.
NE Liz could very well think she’s doing the right a favor by purging some creep. that’s certainly what the aim of these accusations are. The left knows the right won’t tolerate racist bastards. either way, though, NE Liz is making damn serious allegations anonymously and unfairly.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:15 amWell, I found a blog that Lizzie scrubbed in order to avoid being accused of the following;
1. Racist–you called blacks a bunch of niggardly naggers.
2. You were kicked out of kindygarten for stealing fairy dust.
3. You refer to little people as midgies and dwurfs.
4. You actually admit to having a foot fetish.
5. You admitted to buggerring ostriches on alternate Wednesdays.
Now, I don’t have a screenshot of these claims, but you’ll just have to trust that I really, really, really saw it. Troof to power uknow.
Here’s the link and proof that it is true;
http://northeastelizabethbuggersostrich.blogspot.com/.html
Defend yourself cur.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:17 amWhy would anyone write that in this thread? If the case already made didn’t destroy Salon, proving this blog didn’t exist or was lied about wouldn’t destroy Salon. nothing would.
this is what I mean by unfairness.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:18 amNarrative Shmarrative…everyone’s fightin’ for the gosh darn narrative….here’s one:
FACT: O’Keefe & CO. enter a sitting U.S. Senators office under false pretenses, tamper with her phone system (Even O’Keefe admitted this on Hannity, as does Witness1 on the affadavit), attempt to access federal telecommunications equipment in a phone closet (Witness2, cf: Affadavit), with lines used by various federal agencies, including Senator Landrieu, Homeland security, the FBI, the secret service and other federal entities. And make videos of the entire event.
FACT: Breitbart issues almost instantaneous disclaimer (before the general story hits the wires perhaps?) claiming no knowledge or connection to the events and practically no relationship with O’Keefe or Company.
FACT: News agencies, including the WSJ, and FOX and extreme right blogger, Michelle Malkin, report it to be an attempt to BUG or wiretap the Senator, in the very early stages of the story.
FACT: Breitbart begins campaign of smearing the press to hi-jack narrative and make it about the “MSM” and their prejudice against O’Keefe due to the ACORN tapes. Conveniently ignoring that even right wing media outlets originally thought the FEDERAL CRIME to be that of “wiretapping.”
FACT: Retractions demanded from all news agencies and concerns, who reported the initial “wiretapping” story.
FACT: FBI investigation into O’Keefe & Co.s crimes continues, as well as involvement by Breitbart who pays O’Keefe a salary and owns exclusive rights to all O’Keefe produced media.
FACT: More charges imminent. Accomplices identified. Jail time.
FACT: Everything else is irrelevant and non admissible.
Assclown doodyheads (f0d390) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:20 amFACTASSPULLThere fixed that for you.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:24 amI like that it’s a fact that news agencies reported the wiretapping claim, and a fact that retractions were demanded. Meanwhile, it’s not a fact that the Federal government and news agencies actually DID retract those claims. Apparently that’s in the irrelevant and inadmissible category.
And this is relevant to this thread because of what, assclown? This thread proves that liberals exaggerate and lie to defame O’Keefe and pals. And you do it too. That’s relevance, I suppose.
The right was horrified at O’Keefe’s situation before we learned more about it. Now we are happy to wait for O’Keefe’s day in court.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:30 amWell, something is irrelevant here. And it is mostly a person who claims to be all puckish and ironic and cool…and keeps revealing himself to be a humorless grim jawed ideologue.
Who is about twenty years old, apparently. I’m talking about you, Mr. Doody. It’s amusing to watch you pretend that you aren’t all wrapped up in this.
Nasty little thing, aren’t you?
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:31 am“Oh, I’m perfectly prepared to apologize.”
We don’t want you to apologize, Liz. It’s too late for apologies. We want you to grovel.
“If he denies authorship of the blog and of scrubbing it, it could cause a problem.”
Yes, O’Keefe will then be taken to the Ministry of Love and forced to confess.
“whether in that blog, he mocked an “idiot midget” . . . .put the “indian midget” . . words in O’Keefe’s mouth”
Get your little story straight, Liz. Is the allegation “idiot” midget or “indian” midget? (both versions found in your post #11, above).
The first insults the developmently disabled and vertically challenged, while the second insults Native Americans and the vertically challenged.
“an elaborate created-and-scrubbed blog scheme”
Remember, folks: It’s not the nature of the evidence that matters, but the seriousness of the troll.
Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:31 amHey, Mr. Doody. I have an idea for you, since you are so flipping certain about things from the vast pinnacle of your mature experience:
If O’Keefe receives no jail time whatsoever, do you promise to go away and never post here again, not even as one of your several sock puppets?
What do you say?
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:37 am80, Yeah, assclown, I foresee outing, exposure, lawsuit that you lose, criminal charges, and jail time for YOU!
PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:37 amNE Liz could very well think she’s doing the right a favor by purging some creep. that’s certainly what the aim of these accusations are
I’m not trying to “purge” anyone, I’m just trying to assess the available information. As I said in my first post, the claim regarding the dorm incident concerned me, as did the blog’s later scrubbing. I haven’t tried to defend the other allegations of the Salon piece, which I said in my first comment were lies. Obviously, Patterico and others thought those lies were worthy of investigation and disproof and response, and provided it.
The left knows the right won’t tolerate racist bastards. either way, though, NE Liz is making damn serious allegations anonymously and unfairly.
The only allegations I’m making is that O’Keefe very likely wrote (and scrubbed) the Feathers of Steel blog and that the excerpted quotes are probably accurate. Why do you find these allegations so “serious”?
Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:43 amThese people sure are energized over this. I would refer everyone back to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls, and the 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls.
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:45 amThese people sure are energized over this. I would refer everyone back to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls, and the 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls.
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:45 amCome on Lizzie, defend yourself just as you demand O’Keefe defend himself.
Tizzy fit, stomp feet.
Defend yourself, you,you,you, you racy, racisty, fairy dust stealing, foot fetishy, dwurf calling, ostrich buggerer.
Cause if you don’t, I, POA will stomp my foot petulantly and demand this every time you post something.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:46 amDizzy Lizzy, I accuse you of being an unpaid (and a fool for it) internet tool of the Democrat party. You have one job, to smear James O’Keefe in a doomed attempt to clear ACORN of its correct and factual perception of being a Corrupt Democrat support organization.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:53 amHere’s the evidence that you consider so damning to O’Keefe.
http://northeastelizabethbuggersostrich.blogspot.com/.html
Lizzy, why did you scrub your blog? Is it because you are guilty? I mean these charges are serious and you do need to defend these allegations.
78.Well, I found a blog that Lizzie scrubbed in order to avoid being accused of the following;
1. Racist–you called blacks a bunch of niggardly naggers.
2. You were kicked out of kindygarten for stealing fairy dust.
3. You refer to little people as midgies and dwurfs.
4. You actually admit to having a foot fetish.
5. You admitted to buggerring ostriches on alternate Wednesdays.
Now, I don’t have a screenshot of these claims, but you’ll just have to trust that I really, really, really saw it. Troof to power uknow.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:53 amLizie – You have made literally around 100 comments about something that you do not think is serious, and then have the temerity to push your obsession onto others, as though it is their obsession? What do you find so troubling about the alleged excerpts? You always manage to not answer this. All I see if that he called someone a midget, and denies saying something that someone else claims he said. QUELLE HORROR !!!! RACIST !!!!!!!!
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:54 amI’m glad we all agree that your allegations aren’t worth much attention, but you are contradicting yourself.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 11:54 amLizzie huffs up, neck hair bristles and goes to Kos, Salon, and Huffpo for more talking points.
She’ll be back shortly.
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:03 pm95.Lizzie huffs up, neck hair bristles and goes to Kos, Salon, and Huffpo for more
talking points.She’ll be back shortly.
Comment by peedoffamerican — 2/5/2010 @ 12:03 pm
There fixed that for me. 🙂
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:09 pm95.Lizzie huffs up, neck hair bristles and goes to Kos, Salon, and Huffpo for more
talking pointsasspulls.She’ll be back shortly.
Comment by peedoffamerican — 2/5/2010 @ 12:03 pm
There fixed that for me. 🙂
peedoffamerican (7783d2) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:10 pmThe only allegations I’m making is that O’Keefe very likely wrote (and scrubbed) the Feathers of Steel blog and that the excerpted quotes are probably accurate. Why do you find these allegations so “serious”?
You seem to find your allegations “serious” enough to merit your making over one hundred comments in two days arguing for them. And in many of those comments you make claims that go well beyond even the ones made in the (completely unsupported) Kos diary. So perhaps it is you who should explain why you find your allegations so important.
This seems to be a variant of your “It’s up to O’Keefe to disprove the accusations against him if he can” style of argument.
Subotai (94cd4e) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:17 pmDesperation mode. Wait till you read Max Blumenthal’s meltdown…Blumenthal is now trying to say he was right because O’Keefe was there – no one disputes “- moves goalposts to say that O’keed was “involved” in “EXECUTION of event based on a nitwit with a cropped photo that uses an alias “Isis” – O’Keefe was like friend who helps friend stock cups at friends party
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/02/isis-okeefe-was-there-involved-in-execution/
Topsecretk9 (3cfaa7) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:18 pmWell, this post from Vdare sure says a lot about wonderfully diverse this “debate” was. Personally, I would avoid any debate between Derbyshire and Jared taylor, but, then again, I don’t traipse around Federal property and then invent barely plausible stories which my friends trumpet as TRUTH.
That Robert Taft group and the LI folks sounds completely separate from each other and not at all friendly. Would a picture of O’Keefe with Stacy McCain help seal the deal, Patrick?
I didn’t think so.
timb (449046) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:20 pmDj, if you read it, and I’m doubting you did, since you are too busy to read, you’d see he called his Indian roommate a “midget…who smelled like shit.”
I like how you deign to ignore the homophobia inherent in demanding to moved from a room with a gay guy. Was little Jimmy afraid he’d be talked into something? Or, is he just grossed out by teh gay?
He’s your hero’s employee, so let’s allow Breitbart to answer why he hires an admitted homophobe…..and, he’s anti-Indian? That’s just wrong. Chana Masala and curry chicken are among the best two foods in the entire world. Jimmy probably like his food and roommates a little “traditional.”
Fine Party you guys got there.
Oh, and I know this Bretibart/O’Keefe thing is so exciting, but did anyone else note that Richard Shelby has decided to hold the Senate hostage so he can get better pork? Party of No, unless there’s cash in it for me, indeed.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
timb (449046) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:29 pmWell, this post from Vdare sure says a lot about wonderfully diverse this “debate” was.
I don’t follow you. Was the debate advertised as “wonderfully diverse”? In any case your link shows a range of opinions on display. None of those opinons, based on the few cites at the link, were racist.
Subotai (94cd4e) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:30 pmI wonder what people will think of me, participating on this website? I probably won’t get any public sector job (especially if it looks like I am debating with imdw, timb, etc.) With company like that, I must be a nut job.
Corwin (ea9428) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:30 pmThere really is no point in challenging a Max Blumenthal, because he doesn’t care for the truth, if he did he wouldn’t write for the Huff Po, and more often then not for Salon. Increasingly there is no point in talking with St. Elizabeth’s hospital
ian cormac (79614d) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:32 pmhere, because it doesn’t go anywhere either. Now much like with Halperin and Heileman, somethings
may be true, but some are so ridiculous as to challenge the integrity of the one who decided to
include it.
For the record Stephen Pagones was asst DA in the Tawana Brwley fraud. (and won his civil suit against a fat black racist, but I digress). The “officer” killed himself.
Godd job leftist assholes.
Lonetown (a3c6a2) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:34 pmCan you imagine if O’Keefe had employed the kind of vague and dumb insinuation style of reporting that Max Blumenthal and the other trolls are using?
“hey, I heard ACORN was in the room with some communists and Bertha Lewis once denied being a racist. Case closed.”
Instead, his video proof is ignored by those who think their much lower standards are acceptable.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:39 pmI’m afraid a lot of people still think some elements of Tawana’s accusations were truth. Or peddle ‘fake by accurate’ about cops.
Duke Lacrosse is another great example of this. You cannot possibly disprove thoughtcrime to the satisfaction of everyone. There will always be a few Assclown Doodies and NE Lizes who have some nagging suspicious that, while lacking good evidence, just demands yet another exoneration, yet another vindication.
It’s this system of perpetual assumption of racism that makes NE Liz and her peer, Tawana, bad people.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 12:46 pmLizzie’s nothing more than a badly – cloaked Concern Troll. Screams and yells about how important her screeches are, yet backs down less than 24 hours later when she realizes her “case” is falling apart faster than Martha Coakley’s campaign. Only thing missing from her arrowless quiver is the “Christian Conservative” part.
Dmac (539341) — 2/5/2010 @ 1:07 pmMax Blumenthal is a liar.
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 1:11 pmNot that that was really in doubt. Just sayin’
JD (0f9c01) — 2/5/2010 @ 1:15 pmThis is Max Blumenthal TODAY.
http://is.gd/7MnTC
I don’t Max really knows anything about reporting. He should stick to papparazzi photography.
WTFCI (26fd10) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:09 pmI followed up with Isis. She told me in no uncertain terms that she had witnessed O’Keefe engaged in the “execution” of the white nationalist event of the Robert Taft Club.
If an Egyptian goddess says so, I believe it!
Really, Isis?
Subotai (0366a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:30 pm“Icarus” is standing by his smear over at Little…balls by citing a claim by the photographer “Isis”. No uncropped photo appears to be forthcoming.
Dave (in MA) (037445) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:35 pmDave Weigel claims that Isis (a photographer, I assume) merely showed him a picture of O’Keefe in attendance which jogged his memory of seeing him there. Max B. says “Isis” actually confirms Okeefe executing white supremacist literature.
Am I missing something?
lee (cae7a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:36 pmAm I missing something?
It’s the word of an anonymous source of unknown quality against several people who are willing to go on the record.
If “Isis” is telling the truth there’s no reason for her to stay hiding in the shadows.
Subotai (0366a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:40 pmYou must have not been around when they passed out the Kool-aid.
Dave (in MA) (037445) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:42 pm@117 Dave
I wasn’t being sarcastic.
lee (cae7a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 2:49 pm“If “Isis” is telling the truth there’s no reason for her to stay hiding in the shadows.”
According to Weigel the FBI raided most of Isis’ photos from that event. But they conveniently left her (or him) a cropped up image of O’keefe that can only prove his attendace of the event.
Apparently neither Isis or Weigel can prove that O’keefe was behind a table distributing a racist magazine. Weigel debunks misconceptions about the event as some “white nationalist conference” and Okeefe as part of its organizing efforts.
lee (cae7a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:12 pmAccording to Weigel the FBI raided most of Isis’ photos from that event.
I don’t see how Weigel would know that. If true, it’s nice to see that the FBI continues to waste its time and our money. The story seems very unlikely though. If the FBI wanted pics they’d have just sent their own photographer.
Subotai (0366a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:22 pm“And she told me that, unfortunately, the cropping had removed the table he was sitting at, which included copies of American Renaissance magazine.”
So was he sitting at a table that featured pamphlets, books and magazines from speakers and organizations invited to the event? And INCLUDED among those various reading materials was the racist magazine?
That doesn’t prove anything. If he “manned” a booth specifically set up by the white supremacist magazine, that’s different.
lee (cae7a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:27 pmwhy in the hell would they crop out the part that makes it racist? Since a lot of people have come forward to prove that the allegations simply aren’t true, even about the basic nature of the event, it really doesn’t matter anymore….
but it’s so juvenile and amateurish to crop a photo to barely contain the dude’s face and claim the version you have but won’t show anyone shows all the KKK stuff. And these chumps have complaints about the ACORN videos?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:32 pm“If true, it’s nice to see that the FBI continues to waste its time and our money.”
Perhaps a wanted criminal was shown in one of the pictures? Or a crime in progress? It sounds far fetched.
My guess is that Okeefe was situated somewhere near a table that carried reading materials related to the event, and since the offensive magazine happened to be among them, that’s evidence enough to expose him as a racist. For some people.
Or something?
lee (cae7a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:36 pmLee, maybe, but since they thought a mere debate on the subject of racism made all viewers racist, it’s probably just a flyer for the debate or an Ayn Rand novel.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:39 pmIs this the same David Weigel who writes at Reason? Because he sounds a lot like a full-blown lefty at the Wasington Independent.
Subotai (0366a3) — 2/5/2010 @ 3:43 pmPlease check the Treacher thread for an update on Northeast Elizabeth. If it is the same person it is beyond the pale.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 2/5/2010 @ 4:08 pmIf the FBI raided Isis’ photos, then when did the raid occur (in 2006 or was it recently)–and why does the photographer still have a copy of it?
Or did the FBI just let Isis have this one O’Keefe photo back and let Isis release it, for certain reasons?
Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1) — 2/5/2010 @ 5:29 pmI can’t find that thread on twitter, Have Blue. Any additional info?
Dmac (539341) — 2/5/2010 @ 5:49 pm[…] bullet-point form, via Patterico (with his emphasis), these untruths […]
Left-wing Websites Don’t Bother With Truth in Smearing James O’Keefe | TheWorldPolitics (197be1) — 2/5/2010 @ 6:00 pmDmac – I was refering to the Treacher accident thread here on Patterico from last night. I had posted a copy of a comment made at Ace of Spades by someone claiming to be Northeast Elizabeth claiming that Treacher had died in surgery.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 2/5/2010 @ 6:27 pmNortheast Elizabeth has replied there and claimed that it was not her.
Hey, I’ll be happy to post on the Weigel update. But why do I owe O’Keefe a retraction? A retraction of what, Patterico? Reporting what Weigel was saying at the time that Breitbart was tweeting? Weigel himself called it ‘sloppy phrasing’ per your excerpt above.
D. Aristophanes (4284cd) — 2/6/2010 @ 12:27 am[…] bullet-point form, via Patterico (with his emphasis), these untruths […]
Left-wing Websites Don’t Bother With Truth in Smearing James O’Keefe : Natural Diabetes Treatment (165860) — 2/6/2010 @ 5:25 amBut why do I owe O’Keefe a retraction?
Gee, I don’t know – can you think of any reason?
Oh, that’s right, how could I forget – I didn’t remember at first where you worked.
Dmac (539341) — 2/6/2010 @ 8:15 amI didn’t remember at first where you worked.
This loser works? Where at? Must be a government job.
Subotai (ae20c6) — 2/6/2010 @ 9:39 amwhy do I owe O’Keefe a retraction?
Did you state that O’Keefe “has a pretty nasty habit of palling around with racists, including American Renaissance founder Jared Taylor and random-black-woman-karate-chopper Marcus Epstein”?
Yes, you did. So lets see the retraction. “Palling around” is what your Dear Leader did with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers. Being seen in the same crowded room as someone does not constitute “palling around”.
Subotai (ae20c6) — 2/6/2010 @ 9:48 amI wonder how D. Aristophanes’s 12 step predictive model is working out for him. Things must be slow over at the SadlyNo Day Care Center for him to keep coming over here trolling for traffic. Their highly self-promoted research lab must be falling down on the job again.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/6/2010 @ 10:19 amI’m a engineer not a lawyer so I do not understand why these people are not being sued. IMHO, until there is a real and hard consequence for slander and libel it will continue on. If there is none then our side has to get down in the mud and go after the real racists that is the modern left with half truths and smears.
jukin (b80229) — 2/7/2010 @ 12:38 pm[…] Max Blumenthal caused a stir when he asserted James O’Keefe was a racist based on debunked allegations. He has yet to respond to a correction request from BigJournalism and Retracto, the Correction […]
Is Max Blumenthal another race-baiter? « Liar's Dice (2b7e85) — 2/10/2010 @ 11:53 am[…] the table with racist lit, also spoke up after Blumenthal’s piece hit to say that he had no reason to believe O’Keefe had helped plan the event and had never claimed that O’Keefe manned a table […]
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Breitbart goes nuclear on Salon writer at CPAC for smearing James O’Keefe as racist (e2f069) — 2/20/2010 @ 1:57 pm[…] problem is that Blumenthal, as conference attendee Dave Weigel has pointed out, appears to have made numerous factual errors in his article. Short version: O’Keefe never […]
Breitbart confronts Max Blumenthal for James O’Keefe smear [video] | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment (3870e4) — 2/21/2010 @ 7:28 am[…] Excellent analysis here… Larry O’Connor wrote this for Big Journalism: James O’Keefe vs. Max Blumenthal: How the Left Distorts, Invents and Lies. Also check out this post at Patterico’s Pontifications: Dave Weigel Destroys Salon Hit Piece on O’Keefe’s Alleged Racism. […]
Alinsky Smear Tactic FAIL: Andrew Breitbart KO’s Leftist Max Blumenthal at CPAC (video) « Frugal Café Blog Zone (a66042) — 2/21/2010 @ 7:57 am