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1/16/2010

Coakley Flier: Scott Brown Opposes Medical Treatment for Rape Victims

Filed under: Politics — DRJ @ 8:03 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Via Hot Air, it looks like the Coakley campaign is getting desperate:

“Scott Brown, the Republican candidate for the Massachusetts Senate seat up for election on Tuesday, is filing a criminal complaint against the Massachusetts Democratic Party over a flier claiming he’s against giving emergency contraception to rape victims.

The flier reportedly says “1,736 women were raped in Massachusetts in 2008. Scott Brown wants hospitals to turn them all away,” according to Greg Sargent’s blog.”

— DRJ

78 Responses to “Coakley Flier: Scott Brown Opposes Medical Treatment for Rape Victims”

  1. That’s the second lowest I’ve ever seen a political campaign go.

    Techie (43d092)

  2. that seems like a really low rape number

    happyfeet (e9e587)

  3. guess not

    happyfeet (e9e587)

  4. it’s just when I think of Massachusetts rape comes to mind a lot… I guess it’s a Kennedy legacy thing

    happyfeet (e9e587)

  5. Greg Sargent is worse than Eric Boehlert if anyone can believe that. I cannot recall reading a single factually true piece he has written.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  6. The rape victim flier is backfiring big time with Sargent’s readers:

    I can barely bring myself to type, I am so upset and angry about this. I AM A RAPE SURVIVOR. I was date-raped. A man used my body for his own purposes in a vile, disgusting, humiliating way. It has taken me YEARS to come to terms with this. Now I find out that the most horrible thing that ever happened to me is being USED AS A CAMPAIGN PLOY. Some disgusting CAMPAIGN OPERATIVE thinks it’s OKAY TO USE RAPE VICTIMS’ PHOTOS as a CAMPAIGN TACTIC. A whole series of people–the one who had the idea, the ones who approved it, the graphic designer, the copy editor, and whoever wrote the checks to pay for it all USED ME JUST LIKE THE RAPIST DID. This is VILE AND INEXCUSABLE. And they think all of YOU are so stupid, that you can’t READ well enough to discover the truth about Scott Brown and the religious objection amendment he PROPOSED that was NOT ENACTED. I just don’t even have words to describe this feeling. Like I have been punched in the stomach. YOU PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE DEFENDING RAPE VICTIMS?!?! YOU JUST RAPED US ALL OVER AGAIN. May you all ROT IN HELL.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641)

  7. That’s the second lowest I’ve ever seen a political campaign go.

    OK Techie, I’ll bite: what’s the number one lowest?

    JVW (48cbba)

  8. I don’t know rocks, Boehlert is an Islamist apologist as well as a died in the wool lefty, of which Sargent is the latter. but that is truly a ludicrous argument, did Cthluthu come out of the water at Dunwich and scoop out their brains,

    ian cormac (dfb136)

  9. Supporters of the split quickly seized on the radio spot, which supported Mr. Eaves, a black Democrat, over Lee Morris, a white Republican, for chairman of the County Commission.

    “On Nov. 7 we face the most dangerous situation we ever have,” Mr. Lewis said in the advertisement. “If you think fighting off dogs and water hoses in the ’60s was bad, imagine if we sit idly by and let the right-wing Republicans take control of the Fulton County Commission.”

    In the advertisement, Ms. Franklin referred to popular black leaders of the city’s past. “The efforts of Martin and Coretta King, Hosea Williams, Maynard Jackson and many others will be lost,” Ms. Franklin said. “That’s why we must stand up and we must turn out the vote for the Democrats on Election Day.”

    Then Andrew Young said: “And especially for John Eaves for Fulton County Commission chairman. Unless you want them to turn back the clock on equal rights and human rights and economic opportunity for all of us, vote for John Eaves as Fulton County chairman.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/us/22atlanta.html

    Techie (43d092)

  10. It isn’t just a flier. Coakley has TV ads running that are saying the same thing. I watched it today during the NFL games.

    I know the old adage that signs don’t vote but I’m seeing a lot of Brown signs and very few for Coakley.

    Mattsky on Cape Cod (819896)

  11. With all due respect, it’s not Ted Kennedy’s seat.
    If it were Ted Kennedy’s seat it would be upside-down and underwater.

    Dave (in MA) (6e1206)

  12. Yeah Techie, that is probably worse. I think Andrew Young, for being a Civil Rights leader, is one of the most awful people ever in politics.

    JVW (48cbba)

  13. I smell raw desperation, like blood in the water…*cue Jaws theme*

    Technomad (677f63)

  14. That ad is sufficiently horrifying that it would cause me to vote for Brown if I lived in Mass..

    The Democrats in that state did a terrible job of picking their candidate.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  15. Snow is expected in “Massachusettes” for Sunday. Let’s hope it lasts through Tuesday. As the saying goes, no one ever ventured out in bad weather to cast a vote for the status quo.

    JVW (48cbba)

  16. The Greg Sargent blog link didn’t work but I’ve fixed it now. Sorry about that.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  17. Mattsky on Cape Cod,

    That’s very interesting. I can’t find the ad on YouTube — yet. Let me know if you find a link because I’d like to update the post.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  18. This is especially ridiculous coming from Coakley who let a man that raped a 23 month old child with a curling iron walk without so much as having to post bail.

    …..this idiocy cannot be blamed just on Coakley…big players from the democratic machine are assisting in UMass., along with heavy weights like Clinton and Obama.

    Baxter Greene (af5030)

  19. “With all due respect, it’s not Ted Kennedy’s seat. If it were Ted Kennedy’s seat it would be upside-down and underwater.”

    this is *so* stolen….. %-)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  20. Dear voters of Massachusetts,

    I promise to vacation in your state to help your economy
    every year for the rest of my life, if you elect Scott Brown.

    Krusher (ceb4ea)

  21. Man! It’s a good thing that Brown isn’t accusing Coakley of supporting the killing of babies in the womb!!!

    What’s that? Coakley does support it? Hmmm . . . so, if he ran an ad that says “Coakley Supports Killing Babies” he would be — as ugly as it sounds — telling the truth; whereas, this ad is just an outright lie. Interesting.

    Ah, perspective.

    Icy Texan (fb1d52)

  22. How bad are you when you can’t win in a state that makes Kerry a winner o.O

    Lord Nazh (0d312a)

  23. These photos have got to have the Dems shaking in their boots.

    Blowout ?

    Mike K (2cf494)

  24. The dems put Coakley up because they thought she could win. Shows you what they think of the MA electorate. Now, dems aren’t entirely stupid, so there’s at least some reason for them to think of the electorate as they do.
    If it isn’t a Brown blowout, we’ll know something about the MA electorate

    Richard Aubrey (62e5bd)

  25. Coakley has TV ads running that are saying the same thing.

    The TV ad doesn’t say “turn them all away.”

    It says, “Brown even favors letting hospitals deny emergency contraception to rape victims.” Been running for ten days.

    steve (2aba44)

  26. Emergency contraception”? Is that heathen/progressive/libtard/Democrat speak for “abortion”?

    PatriotRider (1729de)

  27. The Brown campaign held a press conference announcing that it had filed a complaint against the Massachussets Democratic Party for this very ad. It has also filed a complaint with the State Election board for the use of state computers being used by SEIU members to send out emails to encourage voters to vote for Coakley.

    Considering the multiple gaffes made by Coakley (Kurt Shilling is a Yankee’s fan; Catholics should not work in the ER’s, no terrorists in Afghanistan, etc.), along with her prosecutorial track record, you have to wonder, is this the best the Democrats could do or was she picked because she would be a willing puppet to the Harry Reid fraction and work in D.C. in the best interest of the DNC and not the citizens of Massachussets?

    In a state where a (D) behind your name during a campaign is almost a guarantee of winning, something notable is going on here just by the sheer closeness of this race.

    One blogger reported that he attended the rally held by Bill Clinton and it only pulled about 200 people (including reporters) and when Clinton left the speaking hall, the streets were lined with people holding Brown signs.

    Today, The One will appear. If the good people of Massachussets decide that Coakley will be nothing more than a “go along to git along” Senator, Obama’s visit will not help her. His two minute ad made for Coakley was, in typical Obama style, all about him and his agenda, not the agenda of the voters of Massachussets.

    My guess is that even if Brown loses, at least by a narrow margin, this will still be the shot heard across the nation. Congressmen/Senators who are not in states that are so blue they are almost black, like Massachussets, but are in swing states, are going to look at this race and be truely worried about the safety of their own seats come November. Blanche Lincoln, take note.

    The American voter sent a message to Republicans in 2006 and again in 2008 that they were tired of “business as ususal”, a term Obama seems to have a fondness for, but they didn’t get the “hopeychange” they voted for. What they got was business as ususal, on steroids.

    Never before have Americans witnessed such back door deals, middle of the night horse trading, special interest groups (unions) being cut cushy deals in return for their support of this president. Someone should have advised the DNC that Al Gore invented the internet.

    When you have SEIU Local 509 members standing in the cold night to hold signs for Brown, you know there is a problem for the Dems in Massachussets.

    retire05 (67c0f2)

  28. What’s the next Coakley ad gonna be? Video of Brown growing a Chaplin mustache with scenes from Triumph of the Will behind him? Maybe she will be a little more subtle and show puppy dogs getting shot by guys wearing Scott Brown t-shirts.

    What price victory Martha?

    MU789 (514c52)

  29. Apparently, the devastating blow that Brown will receive is his comment that Obama’s mother was Bristol Palin’s age when she had him. And he said something about “We don’t know” if they were married at the time. Pretty devastating.

    If you follow the link to TPM, you get this:

    Now the factual record on this is clear. Obama’s parents were married February, 1961, and Obama was born in early August of the same year. So his mother was certainly married when he was born.

    But not when he was conceived, I guess. I’m no birther but this seems pretty weak for the lefties to be betting the whole farm that this will take Brown down a notch.

    We’ll see Tuesday.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  30. The latest “attack” from the Democrat camp is arguing that, somehow, Scott Brown is a “birther”.

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/01/coakley-supporters-fabricate-birther.html

    Techie (43d092)

  31. By this standard, Michelle Obama is a “Birther”.

    Obama used the roundtable audience, as she did yesterday, to describe her husband’s understanding of women’s issues through the prism of the strong — but sometimes struggling — women in his life.

    His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and very single when she had him.” And, Obama added, he has observed his wife’s attempts to reconcile motherhood with her career aspirations.

    Michelle Obama talks “Fatherhood” – MSNBC

    Techie (43d092)

  32. It has also filed a complaint with the State Election board for the use of state computers being used by SEIU members to send out emails to encourage voters to vote for Coakley.

    I understand the complaint, based on a Fox25 report, was filed with the AG’s office (Coakley’s). It was a solicit for volunteer workers. The station may or may not respond with source material if/when asked. The story came out around Nov. 20.

    steve (2aba44)

  33. This is especially ridiculous coming from Coakley who let a man that raped a 23 month old child with a curling iron walk without so much as having to post bail. — Comment by Baxter Greene

    Your comment made me do some research. At first I thought you were incorrectly referring to the Amirault case. But when it comes to someone like Coakley, I should have known better.

    The more I read about the woman, the more I realize how totally irresponsible, incompetent and perhaps even a bit deranged she is.

    I now realize that the election of someone like her would be a reflection that the voters were as irresponsible and incompetent — if not also a bit deranged — as Coakley is.

    This election now goes far beyond just left or right or Democrat or Republican. It’s really about either the basic wisdom or insanely poor judgment of the electorate and the hubris and arrogance of the political machine in Massachusetts that loves to manipulate them.

    Powerlineblog.com:

    [H]ow do we explain Coakley’s deplorable and inconsistent conduct as a prosecutor in two high profile child-abuse allegation cases? In the first, Gerald “Tookie” Amirault was convicted of child abuse based on wild allegations…that had been discredited by the time Coakley became involved in the case. Yet Coakley did everything she could to keep Amirault behind bars.

    For example, before agreeing to revise his sister’s sentence to time served, Coakley asked the Amiraults’ attorney to pledge, in exchange, that he would stop representing Gerald and undertake no further legal action on his behalf. The attorney of course refused to engage in this unethical course of action.

    In 2001, the Massachusetts Governor’s Board of Pardons and Paroles voted 5-0, with one abstention, to commute Amirault’s sentence. A majority added a statement noting the lack of evidence against the Amiraults and the “extraordinary if not bizarre allegations” on which they had been convicted. According to [columnist Dorothy] Rabinowitz, editorials in every major and minor paper in the state applauded the Board’s findings.

    However, Coakley organized a campaign to persuade the Governor, Jane Swift, to reject the board’s ruling. Swift ultimately did so, causing Amirault to serve two more years.

    Now consider Coakley’s conduct in a 2005 case in which a Somerville police officer was charged with raping his 23-month-old niece with a hot object, most likely a curling iron. A Middlesex County grand jury, which Coakley oversaw, investigated the matter without taking action.

    Only after the toddler’s mother filed applications for criminal complaints did Coakley secure indictments charging rape and assault and battery. Coakley’s office then recommended that Winfield be released on personal recognizance, with no cash bail.

    He remained free until December 2007, when Coakley’s successor as district attorney won a conviction and two life terms based in part on the officer’s own statements upon his arrest.

    Why did the rapist receive such favorable treatment from Coakley?

    The lawyer (now deceased) who was hired by the family of the victim believed that Coakley acted as she did because the father of the defendant, a union representative, was raising money and obtaining endorsements for her campaign for Massachusetts Attorney General.

    Mark (411533)

  34. The lawyer (now deceased) who was hired by the family of the victim believed that Coakley acted as she did because the father of the defendant, a union representative, was raising money and obtaining endorsements for her campaign for Massachusetts Attorney General.

    Not saying that Coakley’s actions were right, but the lawyer, Larry Frisoli, happened to be Coakley’s Republican opponent in the AG race.

    steve (51ad42)

  35. Always remember this: Republicans = Rapists.

    Everybody knows this.

    [sarc/]

    KingShamus (fb8597)

  36. Is this similar to the push poll that GWB perfected in his (Rove’s) smear campaign against McCain in 2000?

    Intelliology (00d844)

  37. If Republicans cheated and lied as much as Democrats, Brown’s campaign theme would be ( based on her actions in the Amirault case ) that Coakley did not believe in the right to counsel for criminal defendants.

    And the attack would have far more truth in it than Coakley’s ads.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  38. So your official stance is: …but they are doing it now and its just not fair! Plus, they do it more often!

    I would be much more concerned if there was one party playing by the rules while the other was dirty and using it to win elections. Since that is certainly not the case I would just shut up about it.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  39. I am amazed that after a year of leading this country, Obama has really changed the political climate, just like he promised.

    The only problem is that it is far more vile than it was. Thanks Mr. Transformation.

    Alta Bob (e8af2b)

  40. Comment by Intelliology — 1/17/2010 @ 10:29 am

    It is unfortunate that in your comprehensive study of intelligence, you haven’t demonstrated any.

    Now, crawl back under your cow-pie, and stop bothering the grown-ups.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b27208)

  41. “… If it were Ted Kennedy’s seat it would be upside-down and underwater.”

    More like teats up and underground…

    GeneralMalaise (9927ac)

  42. Please tell me this despicable tactic of Coakley’s is going to backfire…

    Alan (07ccb5)

  43. Way off topic, but this: http://tinyurl.com/ye3y8m5 sure made my weekend!

    Wonder which way Coakley would’ve run with this one?

    GeneralMalaise (9927ac)

  44. If I’d been involved in keeping the Amiraults behind bars, knowing what I now know, I don’t think I could live with the guilt. I am not a compassionate man, but that load of guilt would break me. The fact that Coakley apparently still thinks she did nothing wrong is enough to make me believe that she belongs, not in the Senate, but in the defendant’s box at Nuremburg…with the Nazi war criminals scrambling over themselves to make it clear that they want nothing to do with her.

    Technomad (677f63)

  45. The Amirault case is the most egregious of all the day care center cases since the prosecution managed to keep people in prison for decades and never did admit error. Even the Mass Bay Colony eventually apologized to the Salem witch victims.

    Hershberger became president of Common cause and is probably keeping the seat warm for Coakley.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  46. Obama’s parents were married February, 1961, and Obama was born in early August of the same year. So his mother was certainly married when he was born.

    Wasn’t Obama’s father already married to someone else? And isn’t it the case that (depending on state law) a marrige to a person who is already married is invalid?

    Subotai (e4a5c6)

  47. 40.Comment by Intelliology — 1/17/2010 @ 10:29 am

    It is unfortunate that in your comprehensive study of intelligence, you haven’t demonstrated any.

    Now, crawl back under your cow-pie, and stop bothering the grown-ups.

    Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 1/17/2010 @ 11:14 am

    The so-called “grown ups” who are playing an adult version of “but but but he did it too”. Classic. I say thanks but no thanks to that “grown up” behavior.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  48. Wow! I guess I’ve (we’ve) been schooled!
    Except, I don’t participate in the “but he did it too” game; that’s one for Dems.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b27208)

  49. Ha! You know that you’ve totally contradicted yourself with comment 48. That had to be on purpose… right?

    Intelliology (00d844)

  50. Odd, I did not know that “Intelliology” was a synonym for “projection”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. Is this similar to the push poll that GWB perfected in his (Rove’s) smear campaign against McCain in 2000?

    This is the problem with the left. They start to believe their own lies. There’s no evidence that this mythical GWB “smear campaign” against McCain ever occured.

    Subotai (e4a5c6)

  52. Oh, Subotai, it must have occurred since so many of the Left have it seared, seared I say, into their brains.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b27208)

  53. According to you this never occurred? Based on Karl Rove’s answer to this question, he well aware of the situation. Would he be so angry if it were ‘mythical’.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXSDGg7GH-g&feature=related

    Intelliology (00d844)

  54. Why re rape victims the Democratic party’s go-to group when things get rough? Sarah Palin and the rape kit stories sprouted overnight in blogs, with the facts tossed aside.

    KateC (7f3e3d)

  55. Intelliology, you really don’t have much command of logic. Nothing in that clip supports your assertion.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  56. Comment by SPQR — 1/17/2010 @ 2:01 pm

    You actually expected a troll to post a link that supported his supposition?
    That would be a first.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b27208)

  57. So to prove that Bush and Rove were involved in dirty tricks against McCain, you link to a youtube clip called – “Karl Rove denies part in 2000 McCain dirty trick”?

    I’ll never understand the liberal mind.

    Subotai (e4a5c6)

  58. Do I look surprised, AD? 😉

    SPQR (26be8b)

  59. Would he be so angry if it were ‘mythical’.

    Yes, you dope, he would be.

    Subotai (e4a5c6)

  60. I’ll never understand the liberal mind.

    Pondering Black-Holes is very difficult.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b27208)

  61. “Pondering Black-Holes is very difficult.”

    Why the segue to Danny Glover?

    GeneralMalaise (9927ac)

  62. Based on Karl Rove’s answer to this question, he well aware of the situation. Would he be so angry if it were ‘mythical’.

    That’s not a very good reference to back up your point. If anything, Karl Rove in that video comes off sounding rather thoughtful and practical about the symbolism of McCain’s adopted daughter. So if Rove were behind a smear tactic involving that young woman, then he must be one shameless, guilt-free, flaky-snaky dude. Sort of a variation of Bill Clinton or Barack “Goddamn America” Obama. Or a personality trait I associate with far more liberals than conservatives.

    Of course, Karl Rove could be as manipulative, cynical and devious as his foes (mainly of the left) accuse him of being. But I find it far more interesting that among the comments in the Youtube forum, some of those who undoubtedly are liberal — and likely believe their ideology springs forth from humaneness and compassion (“because we hated Bush’s/Rove’s cruel, horrible, mean war against Iraq!!!”) — are happily wishing early death upon Rove. Then again, when studies do indicate that liberals actually are less generous than conservatives in donating time and money to charitable causes, I really shouldn’t be surprised by the laughable irony of it all.

    Mark (411533)

  63. I’ll never understand the liberal mind.

    Comment by Subotai — 1/17/2010 @ 2:07 pm

    Much like Forrest Gump would not have been a very good research assistant for Einstein. I guess the libs have thoughts that can’t be expressed in the 200 or so words in your vocabulary.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  64. Your claim was that this little trick never happened.

    Think about it. It would make no sense for Karl Rove to own up to organizing this dirty trick. However, if he were a psychopath (which I am all but convinced is so) then he would have no problem lying about it to protect his career.

    That clip is more than enough evidence to prove that the push poll you claim was a ‘myth’ was actually reality.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  65. I guess the libs have thoughts that can’t be expressed in the 200 or so words in your vocabulary.

    Comment by Intelliology

    I’m sure you have thoughts that can’t be expressed in any language, let alone vocabulary. I love the lefties’ assertion of superior intelligence. When questioned about them, they generally shift to obscenity rather quickly; another sign of high intelligence, I guess.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  66. Intelliology, no the clip is not. You didn’t even bother to listen to it obviously. You took the word of whatever clown you copied the URL from, probably. Rove did not refer to any push polling by him.

    But that matches the quality of work we expected from you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  67. However, if he were a psychopath (which I am all but convinced is so)

    And since flaky, crummy, dishonest behavior tends to be tolerated, if not outright embraced, time and time again by so many of those on the left, compared with folks on the right, it comes down to his ideology you don’t care for. After all, look at how you happily and easily rationalize the absurdly huge feet of clay worn by the heroes of the left, of the Democrat Party, including the current occupant of the White House.

    Mark (411533)

  68. Comment by SPQR — 1/17/2010 @ 5:53 pm

    You didn’t listen to the clip. Hot Karl clearly acknowledges that the polling occurred, he just denies all involvement.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  69. You are making it up, Intelliology. Karl Rove only refers in that clip to “rumors spread by a professor at Bob Jones University”. Never to “polling” or “push polling”.

    The video does not say what you claim it said. Period.

    You really are not very competent at this trolling.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. Intelliology – So your position is that the use of blatantly and knowingly false campaign literature by the Democrat party to smear Brown is perfectly fine.

    daleyrocks (df89ea)

  71. You should listen to the clip again, SPQR. To borrow a phrase, then paraphrase: The clip does not say what you think it says.

    Period.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  72. International Man of Parody has an apprentice.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  73. It’s not comparable to the Obama campaign for Senate in 2004 unsealing the divorce records of his opponent or unleashing his operatives to pursue a private citizen like Joe the Plumber. In this case, the Coakley Campaign is flat out making shit up to smear an opponent.

    Again, you are fine with, right?

    daleyrocks (df89ea)

  74. 73 was directed at Intelliology.

    daleyrocks (df89ea)

  75. All is fair in love and politics, right Karl Rove?

    Intelliology (00d844)

  76. Hey, Intelli-gent-see-ya! Is this thread about the 2000 POTUS election? or is it about the 2010 special Senate election in MA? Furthermore, if you detest (I said “if”) the alleged dirty tactics by the R’s in 2000, do you also condemn the dirty tricks by the D’s in this election?
    Just thought I’d throw that out there; ya know, in case you wanted to actually comment on the subject at-hand.

    [Gold Five: Stay on target.
    Gold Leader: *We’re too close!*
    Gold Five: Stay on target!]

    Icy Texan (7c76f5)

  77. #63

    I guess the libs have thoughts that can’t be expressed in

    public, for fear of the backlash which would likely include pitchforks and other farm implements being used to school them.

    Hmm, lessee now if I can fit a lib thought into a two hundred word vocabulary…here’s one, “social justice.” Social justice, the irrational justification of tossing out all advances made in human rights by Western Civilization and reinstituting mob rule.

    Gotta love that.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  78. Emergency contraception”? Is that heathen/progressive/libtard/Democrat speak for “abortion”?

    No, it’s not. Emergency contraception works by preventing ovulation, so the egg and sperm (which remains viable for days) never meet. This is why the effectiveness drops off so rapidly — if the woman has already ovulated, it won’t work.

    Aaron (b4ec19)


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