It Wasn’t a “Tragedy”
[Guest post by Jack Dunphy]
If a bus had hit a patch of ice and skidded off a highway, resulting in the death of 13 people and injuries to dozens more, that would have been a “tragedy” as the term was once commonly understood.
But when a member of the enemy, even after revealing unmistakably his sympathies with those forces with which our nation is now at war, is allowed to infiltrate the Army and then use his position of trust as a means to murder unarmed soldiers, that is most emphatically not a tragedy.
That is malevolence on the part of the murderer and incompetence on the part of those who allowed it to occur.
There are so many disturbing aspects to the Fort Hood massacre, but perhaps the most disturbing is that it may well be repeated elsewhere because those whose duty it is to prevent it seem so puzzlingly unwilling to do so.
–Jack Dunphy
The “tragedy” here is the downfall of our military due to idiotic notions of diversity, combined with craven fear.
That is, tragedy in the original Greek sense.
cassandra in MT (5a5d33) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:16 pmWell stated. The military chiefs have bought into this diversity crap for the past 40-years. Forced down their throats by our panty waist politicians. We will long regret this apathy towards our enemies, foreign and domestic!
tomshup (2f8142) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:26 pmActually, I thought tragedies were everything that wasn’t a comedy… and there isn’t anything funny about this.
Nor, as I just wrote, was it ‘incomprehensible’ as Obama seems to think. A nut goes off and kills a bunch of people… how is that so hard to understand?
steve sturm (369bc6) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:33 pmMeanwhile, the sockpuppet in chief thinks that if you did not oppose the Iraq and Afghanistan operations, you can’t object to the Ft Hood murders.
Which basically means that Gleen and Hassan are in complete agreement.
The mind boggles that anyone so stupid can feed themselves unassisted.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:35 pmArabs and Muslims that aren’t fundamentalists are 100% capable of being loyal Americans who would happily kick out traitors like Hasan. They do not need or want the PC bullshit to insulate them from the standards of loyalty and brotherhood in the military.
I’ve seen the threat of EO Complaints damage morale, frustrate unit cohesion, and foster bad soldiers. It’s hard enough to be a soldier without this hanging over their heads. Hasan did not slip through the cracks… the feds opened the door for him to leave scrutiny. This is their fault.
Too many Islamofascists have killed out people. Islamofascism must be treated like KKK or Nazi activity, both of which probably have some pseudo religious nonsense at their hearts too.
The tragedy is that it didn’t take long for 9/10/2001 to come back. Those gunshots announced that we were back in the stupid times, less free anyway.
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:49 pmSPQR – He should not be allowed in public without supervision.
JD (c40e14) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:50 pmthought’s on the subject by a guy who’s unit was @ the SRP: http://dekarch.livejournal.com/287896.html
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:56 pmIt’s not infuriating to read Greenwald… he just doesn’t have morality. He doesn’t understand why it would be wrong to lie about who he is, or about what he says, or about others. He doesn’t understand what’s so right about freeing Iraq and Afghanistan, and so wrong with terrorism. He doesn’t understand the fundamental difference between ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’.
He is too clouded with his insecurity to even consider the notion of free people having the right to fight dictators, or the USA having the right to be safe from them.
So to him, if you don’t have a problem with our heroism in Iraq, then you can’t have a problem with shooting unarmed people in Ft Hood. He is not even fully human.
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/10/2009 @ 1:59 pmTo the best of everyone’s knowledge, have the FBI & the military – particularly those individuals within each organization doing their best to cover this disaster with a coat of p.c. paint – if they are currently aware of any other individuals similar to Mr. Hasan’s profile: Muslim, military, commenting in favor of suicide bombers etc?
…If they say yes, then what are they doing about such people?
…If they say no, then the next such disaster, and it’s coming, will end their careers on the basis of either dishonesty or incompetence.
Ask them, put them on the spot.
ras (caaeea) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:00 pmThe mistake we are making is assuming that islam is a religion. It is not. It is a political ideology intent on control of everyone’s life. When the founding fathers wrote the establishment clause, they aimed it at state religions in Europe that did just that.
arch (4cd44a) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:04 pmThe real tragedy here is that American voters elected Barack Hussein Obama President of the USA.
ropelight (51c226) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:07 pmOne other q to ask the military might be this: to what extent did the presence of psychiatrists such as Hasan contribute to the suicide rate at Ft. Hood?
ras (caaeea) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:10 pmSPQR – You were just making up an asspull, weren’t you? I mean nobody, but nobody, could make that argument, at least not in good faith. Well, timmah might try, so he can show off for Caric and the gleens, but like I said, no honest person would do so.
JD (c40e14) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:10 pmJD, I refuse to link it but you can find Gleen’s fatuous crap on Salon today. He tries to weasel out of his own words of course.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:15 pmIt certainly seems like the brass and the FBI and the president are trying to cover their asses. This guy was a lone whacko, even though it’s obvious he was practically the 21st hijacker.
By covering this so softly, and making clear they are more concerned about all the bitter clingers attacking Muslims, how can anyone say Obama is not responsible for a degradation in our nation’s security?
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:26 pmSPQR – The old “I didn’t say what I clealry said” that the gleeeeeens are so fond of? I will find it and post a link tonite when I get on my computer, because stoopid that pervasive should be recognized far and wide.
JD (221357) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:28 pmI keep hearing the this is not a tragedy thing and I think it kind of is a tragedy actually. It’s a tragedy how all them ones got killed and hurt. It’s very, very ohnoes what happened. And also it sucks.
But this other thing about how people let this happen is really wack I think. That’s just a really fucked up thing to accuse another American person of doing in this case. Nobody let this happen.
Our little country just happens to be one where goof-ass fundie muslims just happen to have not made a big thing about hauling off and killing people. We’ve been very fortunate, and there’s reasons for that. Mostly it’s cause we’re very nice people what don’t inspire murderous rampages. This is why this hardly ever happens, especially in the military.
It’s not like we need to find scapegoats and say hey you should have known the goof-ass fundie muslim was a very very dangerous goof-ass fundie muslim, you big stupidhead what got people killed. Nope. People just gave the guy the benefit of the doubt. Good people did that.
There’s really not much that could have prevented goof-ass from killing a bunch of people. He hadn’t broken any laws really and he wasn’t known to be violent. He was free to roam about. You might could have changed which people he killed and where, but where there’s a goof-ass fundie muslim will there’s a goof-ass fundie muslim way.
The questions to be asked are about the future not about getting to the bottom of what happened at Fort Hood. Whatever you find at the bottom the point is gonna remain that goof-ass fundie muslims are a bit sketch and they might could want to kill you. What to do about that is a very perplexing question and there’s no autopsy of this tragedy/nontragedy what’s gonna provide a roadmap for the way ahead because our society is fundamentally incapable of preventing this sort of thing I think. If that changes we will become a very different society.
My takeaway from all this is that Mr. Bush’s democracy agenda in the middle east is even more visionary after Fort Hood than it was before, cause that’s the way forward. Recriminations, not so much.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:44 pm“But when a member of the enemy, even after revealing unmistakably his sympathies with those forces with which our nation is now at war, is allowed to infiltrate the Army and then use his position of trust as a means to murder unarmed soldiers, that is most emphatically not a tragedy.”
It’s still a tragedy, it’s just one we created ourselves when we started looking the other way at overt acts of treason and sedition, and acting like it was no big deal.
If you’re going to let traitors get away with it, which we’ve been doing for deacdes in this country…it’s just a matter of time until someone actually goes all the way and pulls the trigger (instead of engaging in propaganda work for the enemy or sending them money or whatever).
And, man, that’s about as tragic as it gets.
Dave Surls (68aa16) — 11/10/2009 @ 2:52 pmTragedy my arse – atrocity is more like it. The continuing descent of denying to call what’s as plain as the nose in front of your face continues apace.
Dmac (a964d5) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:08 pmHere is a smart person.
That’s as helpful a framing of the problem as I think you’re likely to find. If we aren’t willing to implement this sort of heuristic, and there are probably good reasons why we have been unwilling to, I don’t think we can assign culpability to any particular person and I imagine if we do that I will feel very badly for that person.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:10 pm…assign culpability to any particular person other than the goof-ass fundie muslim what actually is responsible I mean
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:11 pmthe little president man thinks the “tragedy” is “incomprehensible.”
Damn he dumb.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:12 pmThere are so many disturbing aspects to the Fort Hood massacre, but perhaps the most disturbing is that it may well be repeated elsewhere because those whose duty it is to prevent it seem so puzzlingly unwilling to do so.
The Emperor (82e13a) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:21 pmShhhh…! Don’t let OBL hear that.
Incomprehensible? Really? That is not the least bit comforting that our CiC cannot get his superginormous brain around the fact that this is the 2nd case of jihadi action against the US military, on our own soil, this f*cking year.
JD (3f1cb1) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:23 pm“It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy,” the little president man says. “But this much we do know — no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world, and the next.”
He doesn’t sound angry at all about what happened. Just kind of isn’t-that-sad. Like 95% of this speech you could use as a template for the next space shuttle crash or the next submarine disaster or the next ebola outbreak or whatever.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:23 pmJust words. If I’m a soldier person and I’m going through my day and bam a jihadi shoots me in the face to where I’m dead please don’t say that the sunset is my legacy. That’s just silly.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:31 pmI wonder why it took TOTUS so long to find the “right” words for POTUS to read? It must have been observing union rules about not working weekends.
tmac (5559f7) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:33 pmINCOMPREHENSIBLE:
The Emperor (82e13a) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:43 pma. Difficult or impossible to understand or comprehend; unintelligible: incomprehensible jargon.
b. Impossible to know or fathom: incomprehensible mysteries.
TRAGEDY:
3. A disastrous event, especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life: an expedition that ended in tragedy, with all hands lost at sea.
4. A tragic aspect or element.
Tragic it was. Incomprehensible? Not so much. It’s no rocket science. This is a case of terrorism. That is not incomprehensible.
He kind of walked right into that one.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:45 pm“Well yes, Al Qaeda did vent a little against the US at times, but up till the nukes went off no one could have expected them to act on it, and we are certainly on our guard against an anti-muslim backlash from extremist elements on the right.”
–FBI & Military Joint Press Release, 2011.
ras (caaeea) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:45 pmall men and women are created equal. We live that truth within our military
goof-assed fundie muslims: don’t ask, don’t tell
happyfeet (71f55e) — 11/10/2009 @ 3:50 pmNo Jack,
Curtis (653a53) — 11/10/2009 @ 5:56 pmWe have our eye on them. We may only have overwatch over a dozen or two since we are not all group commanders or battalion commanders or company commanders but yeah, we’re looking out for our soldiers. Its when our people get the God Damned IA orders and are pushed off to the NIAC or some infantry training at Benning..We cant watch out for them anymore. We have given them up to the God Damned Army. Fortunately, your average muslim is a dodger and does not serve in the Armed Forces of the United States. Guys like Hassan are literally hen’s teeth.
We have to get rid of this diversity crap.
Diversity is not our strength. Our strength produces diversity.
My ancestors in Europe didn’t throw down their forks one day and say, “I’m sick of bratwurst! Everyday, bratwurst! I wanna go somewhere where we can get decent sushi. I know, let’s go to America, it’s diverse!”
I know my Japanese business partner didn’t throw down his chopsticks one day and spout off about the lack of decent BBQ ribs.
Our strength is our respect for individual liberty. Political and economic freedom. Something the dhimmicrats are actively destroying.
That strength produces diversity. And diversity does have certain advantages. It also produces challenges.
This is mostly a problem for dhimmicrats, who can’t grasp the difference between cause and effect.
Steve (5d3d62) — 11/11/2009 @ 12:06 pmIt was criminal
Neo (7830e6) — 11/11/2009 @ 4:05 pm