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Reports: Hasan Is Devout Muslim

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:29 pm

All links come from Allahpundit’s excellent reporting.

The Washington Post is reporting that Hasan is a “very devout” Muslim:

He had been a “very devout” worshiper at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, attending prayers at least once a day, often in his Army fatigues, said Faizul Khan, a former imam there.

The WaPo and other outlets are confirming the earlier reports that Hasan was strongly opposed to the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts and was agitated about his upcoming deployment to one of those wars. The Post also says:

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Fox News:

A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md., told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word “Allah” on the door.

He was reportedly handing out copies of the Koran this morning:

News Channel 25’s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.

CNN has surveillance video of Hasan in traditional garb:

This is all an important part of who this shooter is.

And L.A. Times readers still don’t even know he is a Muslim.

When we decide you need to know, that’s when you’ll know.

88 Responses to “Reports: Hasan Is Devout Muslim”

  1. If Hasan was a born-again Christian it would be in the headline.

    Kevin Murphy (3c3db0)

  2. I’m sure he did this for the obligatory 72-Virgins!

    BTW, will they offer him a choice of firing squad or hanging;
    or has the DoD gone all PC and moved to lethal injection?

    He deserves to hang!

    AD - RtR/OS! (0a796c)

  3. Talk about an inconvenient truth!

    They only report that he, like any bleeding-heart lib, was opposed to the war. The question of divided loyalties, or of the possibility that he followed the “smite thine enemies” language contained in the Qu’ran, is left off the table.

    Icy Texan (a040d4)

  4. used to be the media was more better about being on top of the muslimness or otherwise of folks…

    “Bacon! Bacon!” cheered Joy Behar.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  5. “Tod durch den strang.”

    The Germans wanted a firing-squad because that was a more appropriate military execution, but the Allies chose hanging because the Germans did not deserve a military death.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  6. Right. Firing squad would have been appeasement. The lessons of appeasement were still very, very fresh I bet.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  7. There were a lot of SS men who were never given the choice…Particularly after Malmedy, if they had SS insignia, they were just shot where they stood.

    AD - RtR/OS! (0a796c)

  8. LAT coverage or not, his name is Malik Nadal Hasan. You’d have to will yourself to not consider the possibility he was Muslim.

    Then again, we are talking about people who read the LA Times…

    Sean P (50f5d9)

  9. His being alive posses some interesting questions. Will Obama now demand that Hasan not be tried in the military but be tried in a regular criminal court with a jury? Isn’t what his AG wants to do with the Gitmo detainees?

    Alta Bob (e8af2b)

  10. I assume Obama would distinguish soldiers from detainees by saying soldiers signed up for the military, so they agreed to be tried pursuant to military rules.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  11. DRJ, of all people, I figured you would not be one to fall into that ASSuME trap. BHO has zero respect for the military, and my daughter has said so, based on her interactions with the military.

    Shame on you for falling into that trap. I hope I don’t fall into the Godwin trap for calling you a closet McCainite. (/oblique humor)

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  12. Someone ring up the SPLC! We have another case of “lone wolf terrorism” by a religious extremist!

    Brad (9d40d9)

  13. CNN is pretty sterile too, except for a passing reference to “traditional Arab garb”. The word “Muslim” is not used once.

    Steve B (5eacf6)

  14. 1. Crucify the bastard until death.
    2. Behead after death and stuff with pork.
    3. Ship body to Iraq.

    krusher (2c1c1d)

  15. krusher, that sentiment (which I have no problem with) is probably the reason the Army didn’t tell anyone that this Hasan was alive.

    I wonder where he is. Imagine being tasked with protecting his ass. This guy was murdering troops coming back from Iraq to see their families. Ft Hood’s got the discipline to keep this guy safe, but I still hope they have moved him off post.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  16. “very devout” – kind of like very unique? LAT is definitely missing the boat, but that “very” seems a little heavy handed.

    em (11cf60)

  17. This is where “tolerance” and “acceptance” and special protections get you. You merely open the door wide open for any fanatic to carry out what we all know they want to carry out… kill the infidel (anyone NOT Muslim). How many times does this have to happen (innocent Americans dieing for the sake of PC) before we realize we have to exercise some form of discretion (liberals call it prejudice).

    Come on people. Wake up, the world is not ideal. Hate exists and will always exist. A wise person knows this, and lives accordingly. It’s not prejudice, it’s wisdom.

    comsense08 (7d14fd)

  18. If I were a person in authority there, I would do everything I could to play down the fact that this guy is Muslim and that his religious beliefs (obviously) affected his actions.

    The military is proud that there are loyal Muslims who serve with them. They don’t want these people to be targeted, they don’t want a witch hunt.

    We work with allies overseas who are Muslim. Our people are exposed to this kind of attack every day. We don’t want our people to lose their nerve, or for those we work with to follow the power of suggestion.

    The objective is to live peacefully with Muslims, which will require turning them away from radicalism. Toning down these incidents and potential over reactions to them helps.

    It is wise for them to hold back and emphasize this guy’s mental issues. There are truths that ought not be shouted from the rooftops.

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  19. This is a sad day for America. Now we have soldiers shooting each other here at home. The fact that the shooter is a Muslim makes it even worse. How can a soldier trust a fellow soldier when he knows he is a Muslim? Where is this going from here?

    The Emperor (82e13a)

  20. The LA Times finally caved and informed its readers that Hasan is Muslim.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  21. The Army ejects qualified and patriotic soldiers who are found to be gay; and retains people who adhere to the terrorists’ religion, and even gives them access to guns and firearms training. This is sick, evil, insane.

    Jack (2ff693)

  22. Btw, again, the media could learn alot by tuning into fox news. they had his brother on who said he was a devout muslim. not a convert. And he specifically denounced US foreign policy and said muslims should not be killing muslims. he signed up before 9-11, and avoided deployment up until recently.

    Btw, exit question. given all those liberals who jumped to the conclusion that when Tiller was killed it was bill o’reilly’s fault, and when that census worker died it was all glenn beck’s fault, will they now point to the screeching monkeys on the left who constantly whipped up sentiment against the war for this massacre.

    nah, of course not.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  23. How could they know he did not want to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and that he had made anti-war remarks in the past and still send him to the war?

    The Emperor (82e13a)

  24. Early reports are notoriously inaccurate. The report that the shooter is dead has already been retracted.

    We need to be patient and wait for better information. Then we need to parse it to try to figure out what really happened and why.

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  25. the empty roar

    i am sure they knew, and they said, “we delayed you as long as we could. now go.”

    the better question is what is up with him that he stayed in the military all these years when he was opposed to the two major wars. if you hate what we are doing so much, quit.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  26. Watched the first 5 minutes of the CNN Video.

    He wore MEDICAL scrubs (descriptive adjective)
    He wore ARMY Fatigues (descriptive adjective)
    He wore TRADITIONAL clothing. (vague adjective)

    Which tradition? He wore Lederhosen? They don’t say WHOSE tradition. Could it be … MUSLIM?!?!?!?

    Tom R. (2b2ee8)

  27. Let me fix …..

    “How could they know he did not want to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and that he had made anti-war remarks in the past and still send him to the war have a job in the Army?”

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  28. Two interesting–and different–stories in the New York Times this morning. The first one made the point that the shooter had stated “no religious preference” on his Army enlistment form. Who knew? etc.

    Second story went into more detail and laid out the facts; born in Virginia to Palestinian immigrants, religously observant etc. Guess the second reporter didn’t get the memo?

    Mike Myers (710e8b)

  29. If the Army paid for his undergraduate (ROTC scolarship) and then for his medical degree, he owed time. I think about 1 year of service for every year of schooling.

    kaf (16e0b5)

  30. if you hate what we are doing so much, quit.

    Comment by A.W. — 11/6/2009 @ 6:48 am
    Which leads me to my fear. Why didn’t he just quit? Or did he feel that quitting wouldn’t have given him the chance to carry out this heinous executions? How long has he been planning this? Is he the only person in on it? How many more Hasans do we presently have in the army?

    The Emperor (82e13a)

  31. Yup. Or reimbursement of the money spent on him. I know a doctor who had to buy out his obligation.

    And that could have been part of his package of resentments. Where other phychiatrists are making several hundred thousands of dollars and building up practices and clinics, he’s stuck on a captain’s/major’s salary with every year that goes by making him more unmarketable in the civilian market.

    The irony I like is that he was gunned down by a policewoman. A woman. Satan is not kind even to his servants.

    nk (df76d4)

  32. My comment #31 was in response to kaf’s comment #29.

    nk (df76d4)

  33. That makes sense, but if this guy was screaming from the rooftops about how terrible our actions were in Iraq and Afghanistan, then why would the army have deployed him there in the first place? His official job was as a counselor, correct? Was he supposed to have counseled soldiers while on deployment, or am I missing something (I surely hope so)?

    Dmac (a964d5)

  34. Well, “there’s the right way, the wrong way, and the Army way”.

    nk (df76d4)

  35. BTW, and totally off-topic, did you know that JROTC is “military service” according to the Census Bureau? A very nice lady who helped me fill out the long form told me so.

    nk (df76d4)

  36. nk – you are right. I had a classmate that got caught cheating on an Art paper senior year and faced the choice of paying back 4 years of ROTC money or going in as a Spec-4. He choose to have Daddy pay off the debt. Not an insignificant amount (Davidson College in the early ’80’s).

    This POS probably figured he could string the Army along, avoiding deployments, and avoiding paying back all that money. He needs to be executed soonest.

    kaf (16e0b5)

  37. Amphipolis:

    That’s a fair point. God knows we need as many people as possible in our military who understand Islamic customs, practices, speak Arabic, etc., so long as they are working for US and not Al Queda.

    That said, its one thing for the military to downplay his religion and another for the media to do so. And the media would love to do so, not only because it allows them to assauge their liberal guilt, but also because it allows them to spin their counter-narrative — he went AWOL because of stress from multiple deployments (I heard a report on that pushed that exact view, also without mentioning his faith). If the military, for their own reasons, don’t want to push the issue of his faith, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean that we civilians shouldn’t.

    Sean P (50f5d9)

  38. BY the way, I should pre-emptively mention AWOL was probably a bad choice of words to describe murdering spree, especially on a military base. My bad.

    Sean P (50f5d9)

  39. Sean – I agree.

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  40. You know what I am waiting for? I am waiting for CAIR or any number of imam’s to straight up condemn this man’s actions as antithetical to the Muslim faith. That his actions were that a evil man, not a Muslim.

    I’m waiting. And I hope that I hear that. Don’t you?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  41. Don’t hold your breath.

    JD (6dce29)

  42. He has a long history of radical statements.

    Also, he seems to be a sexual or social loner–what is up with a man who claims to be seeking a wife but can never find one?

    Patricia (b05e7f)

  43. It’s important to remember that terrorism is mostly committed by the devoutly religious. And in this country most of them are devoutly christian.

    Another picture for you.

    bored again (d80b5a)

  44. bored again once again shows how far he’ll go in making up stuff. Bigotry like bored again’s is considered acceptable among his ilk.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  45. bored again also thinks his amateur act is somehow edgy and thought provoking yet it has all the sophistication of a snotty suburban wannabe dissident teenager on livejournal thinking that he’s radical because he listens to Blink 182.

    SPC Jack Klompus (c1922b)

  46. bored likes spewing his hate. It makes him feel better.

    JD (6dce29)

  47. There is also another angle to this.

    Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of “friendly fire,” that in the confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.
    Cone acknowledged that it was “counterintuitive” that a single shooter could hit so many people, but he said the massacre occurred in “close quarters.

    Could he have been able to kill all 13 by himself? It’s possible.

    The Emperor (82e13a)

  48. bored

    Yeah devout christians are so awful. i mean what have they ever done that is positive? i mean besides building this country and ending slavery. Oh, and marching for civil rights. but i mean besides all that, clearly christians have been nothing but an unmitigated evil in this country. *rolls eyes*

    A.W. (b1db52)

  49. bored

    Oh, and here is a dangerous, devout christian urging his followers to disobey any law that is inconsistent with his faith.

    Run for your lives!

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  50. in response to #47

    A person armed with two high capacity handguns can kill a lot of un-armed people in a short amount of time.

    joe (9f8495)

  51. joe

    the ludicrous thing is that they apparently disarmed the good soldiers there as normal practice on a civilian base. sheesh. imagine if even half the soldiers there actually did carry a gun. The dick in this story would have maybe gotten 3 shots off, max.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  52. Happyfeet–thanks for pointout that Behar thing. We’ve all been wondering how Michelle gets and maintains those toned arms–who would have thought it was due to bacon?

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  53. Listen, I think bored has a point. After all, we know Tiller was devout. he was in church. And he certainly was a prolific killer.

    Was that what you meant, bored ?

    Mike K (addb13)

  54. bored again managed to find one of the comparatively few munkar who pretend to be Christian, yet aren’t …

    Phelps is as representative of Christianity as the LA Times is representative of good solid unbiased journalism … (and, yes, my sentence *is* commutative)

    Alasdair (205079)

  55. Stop lying about Tiller, please. The moralizing hysteria and hypocrisy is unbecoming.

    Fundamentalism is a problem. it doesn’t matter what religion we’re talking about. And the reference to King is absurd in the context of a site that thinks Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond deserve respect. Let alone Pat Buchanan “White men built this country” and Senator Jeff Sessions. And don’t respond with Byrd. He apologized decades ago. And his defense of Anita Hill if you heard it was good strong and precise.

    I think its interesting also that Hasan set out to kill soldiers and told civilians to get out of the way.

    It’s a tragedy, and a mess, but details don’t interest you, the same way they don’t interest Republican reps who missed a vote on the Patriot Act to teaparty with the teabaggers. Politics before policy, as always.

    bored again (d80b5a)

  56. A veritable army of strawmen razed there, bored. You must have been taking lessons from timmah.

    JD (dc4402)

  57. bored again:

    Haven’t heard that “teabaggers” one before.

    Funny stuff.

    I think it’s interesting that Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Pat Buchanan didn’t pull out pistols and kill people that disagreed with them.

    But at least we have the comfort that a mass murderer only killed soldiers and not civilians.

    It’s a tragedy, and a mess, but details don’t interest you. Politics before policy, as always.

    But, seriously, watch out for Presbyterians. You never know what they will do.

    Ag80 (3d1543)

  58. “It’s important to remember that terrorism is mostly committed by the devoutly religious. And in this country most of them are devoutly christian.”

    bored again – Do you have anything at all to back up your statement or are you just pulling it out of your ass as usual? I mean, we are a Christian nation and all, so if devoutly religious people are committing acts of terror, if you ignore the incidents of Sudden Jihad Syndrome, this would seem to make sense. How are you defining terrorism for the purposes of your asspull?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  59. “I mean, we are a Christian nation ”
    Tell that to the Jews, schmuck; and every other religious minority.

    Ireland is a Christian nation too, and you’ve heard about that. And the Lords Resistance Army?
    But back to the US. The Klan burns crosses not circles or rectangles. And yes, abortion clinic bombings and assassination are acts of terrorism, as was the bombing of the Olympics by a man who blamed everything on corporations, socialists and the “despicable” ideas of John Lennon.
    Yes. It’s a fact most acts of terror in the US have been performed by fundamentalist christians.

    bored again (d80b5a)

  60. bored again, the very fact that these people you attempt to use as your proof, committed such heinous acts evidences instead that they were anything but Christians. Lip service is one thing, bearing the fruit of Christ is an entirely different matter.

    Dana (e9ba20)

  61. Dana, this cat is just an ignorant troll with nothing better to do. He or she is about stirring the pot, nothing more. “Bored.”. “Pot.”. Hmmmm.

    Eric Blair (cb2ae5)

  62. Bored again – Are you trying to tell me that the United States in not an overwhelmingly Christian nation, REALLY?

    Back to the proof of your statement that terrorism is committed by the devoutly religiously in this country, who also happen to be Christians. Where is your proof and how are you defining terrorism?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  63. Eric – Sometimes it’s fun to swat the trolls if they’ll play. bored again has an advanced degree in stupidity so it’s fun.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  64. Andrew Sullivan must be putting sand in the vaseline he uses on cornholed again.

    nk (df76d4)

  65. bored again:

    You are ding ding, absolutely correct. Let’s kill the Christians. Every thing wrong in the world is because of Christ. Christianity is the sole cause of strife, the sole cause of torment, the sole cause of death.

    Every act by a person who attended a Christian church or was baptized in the Christian faith should be condemned to hell because of his or her misguided faith in a false prophet.

    I agree with you: All hate in this sorry world is because of a messenger that taught love.

    I’ve seen the light, thank Og almighty, I have seen the light.

    I’m beginning to see why you’re perpetually bored. Assigning blame to the world’s problems because of one religion, when there are so many, can be tedious.

    I would be bored, again.

    Ag80 (3d1543)

  66. ” the very fact that these people you attempt to use as your proof, committed such heinous acts evidences instead that they were anything but Christians.”

    So Christianity is a religion of Peace?
    I think I’ve heard that argument about a religion recently.
    Wait a minute. It’s… coming to me…

    Don’t worry, I’m not big on religion in general. Christianity is just one among many.

    bored again (d80b5a)

  67. “But back to the US. The Klan burns crosses not circles or rectangles. And yes, abortion clinic bombings and assassination are acts of terrorism, as was the bombing of the Olympics by a man who blamed everything on corporations, socialists and the “despicable” ideas of John Lennon.
    Yes. It’s a fact most acts of terror in the US have been performed by fundamentalist christians.”

    bored again – I missed this feeble attempt to defend your asspull. When was the last KKK killing in the U.S.? When was the last abortion clinic bombing? Was the Atlanta Olympics bomber a devout Christian? REALLY?

    You really have to have an advanced degree to believe the stupid shit you do. 9/11 was committed in this country by devout muslims. When you can top that death total you may begin to have a point. Otherwise, you pulling crap out of your ass to fondle as usual.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  68. “Don’t worry, I’m not big on religion in general.”

    SHUT. UP.

    WHO KNEW!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (718861)

  69. bored again:

    I can’t and won’t speak for Christians in general. What they do and how they act is up to them.

    I can quote supposed scripture:

    “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”
    -Matthew 5:9

    “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. ”
    -Matthew 5:11-12

    Old words that mean nothing today.

    There’s no heaven and no hell. It’s all about today and trying to make people look foolish while scoring a couple of political points.

    Besides, Jesus didn’t really exist. Being a big shot intellectual on a blog is what really matters.

    If you’re really bored, “The Last Emperor” is coming up on TCM. Good movie. It might take the edge off.

    Ag80 (3d1543)

  70. Ag80 – Atheism is a religion.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  71. Ag80 – “Atheism is a religion.”
    I don’t “believe” in atheism, I just shrug at the whole debate.
    Militant atheists annoy me because they think they’re got the answer. Self-perpetuating militancy is the biggest problem we have right now.

    From my first link above #43-to CBS news.
    Fundraising for an accused terrorist.

    “An Army of God manual is among the array of anti-abortion items to be offered for sale at auction. The underground publication describes dozens of ways to shut down abortion clinics, including bombing.”

    bored again (d80b5a)

  72. daleyrocks:

    I agree with you that atheism is a religion. As a matter of fact, it is the ultimate religion, because it is unhindered by the mores and social norms of any culture.

    Don’t like Christians? Well, Jesus was a piker. Don’t like Muslims? Mohammad was an also ran. Don’t like Buddha? Zen is OK, but what about those silly robes?

    In the United States, atheism allows – Constitutionally — the free, unfettered right to ridicule any religion. Thank goodness.

    Unfortunately, some religions will kill you for disagreeing.

    That’s why I keep saying to watch out for those shifty Presbyterians. You never know what they will do.

    Ag80 (3d1543)

  73. I should have said:

    “Atheists are allowed — Constitutionally — the free, unfettered right to ridicule any religion. Thank goodness.”

    I apologize for the error.

    Ag80 (3d1543)

  74. ““An Army of God manual is among the array of anti-abortion items to be offered for sale at auction. The underground publication describes dozens of ways to shut down abortion clinics, including bombing.”

    Comment by bored again — 11/6/2009 @ 8:23 pm”

    How does that make you point? Do you have a link showing the Klan were devout Christians? How about those crazy disco Episcopalians?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  75. bored again:

    I’m not following you here. Opposition to abortion is not a strictly Christian notion. As a matter of fact, many Christians support choice.

    Some other religions, not so much.

    And what the heck is the “Army of God?” I really am sorry, but this one is off my radar screen.

    And no, again I’m sorry, I’m not going to look it up myself. Since I’ve never heard of it, it doesn’t fit and I won’t be drawn into a silly argument.

    Ag80 (3d1543)

  76. “That’s why I keep saying to watch out for those shifty Presbyterians.”

    Erin Go Bragh!! Ireland for the Irish! God Bless Our Holy Father.

    You do know of course that the Protestants in Belfast are Presbyterians. Rev. Ian Paisley, now there’s a real moderate peace-loving Christian man.

    This is getting sillier by the minute.
    Have a good night.

    in Pacem

    bored again (d80b5a)

  77. Toked Up Troll.

    Eric Blair (711059)

  78. Ag80 – I think ba believes whatever crap those shills at the SPLC write. The same individual there has been behind the whole growth in right wing extremism meme that got so much traction earlier this year and contributed to that ditzy Homeland Security report. When you actually unpack his evidence, there is nothing there, as is typical for the SPLC.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  79. Dear Bored Again:

    When an infection festers, usually a warm compress and rest will do the job.

    However, a doctor’s advice is best when fever is involved.

    All the best!

    Dear Debby (3d1543)

  80. Islamic fundamentalists can always count on fifth columnist appeaseniks like “bored again” to carry their water for them. Pathetic and predictable.

    Mike LaRoche (445f08)

  81. So ba says that the KKK were a bunch of Christian terrorists?
    All this time I thought they were Democrats!

    AD - RtR/OS! (b8e0ad)

  82. Hey Anderson, you buffoon, it’s traditional MUSLIM GARB! When are the sheeple like cnn and anderson cooper going to buy a vowel and solve the equasion? What a bunch of usefull idiots.

    Ed (996c34)

  83. I never knew Christians were also terrorists. You learn everyday….

    The Emperor (82e13a)

  84. now there’s a real moderate peace-loving Christian man.

    Big difference is that violence and blood-thirsty behavior in the name of Christianity goes against the teachings of its founder. By contrast, violence and blood-thirsty behavior in the name of Islamism is right up the alley of its founder, Mohammed…

    When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur’an), or is deceitfully thinking of this “peace”, as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean.

    According to the Qur’an: “Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Surah 48:29.

    “Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush…” Surah 9:5.

    Also see Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

    Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this “open-ended”, universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.

    ^ It’s altogether quite fitting that a variety of liberals throughout the Western World, since studies have shown them to be actually less generous and compassionate with their time and money than the people — of the right — they’re so resentful of, should be soft touches not when it comes to the religion predicated on Christ, but when it comes to the religion predicated on Mohammed.

    The left (Hi, Barack “let’s-not-jump-to-conclusions” Obama!): Ass backwards, time and time again.

    Mark (411533)

  85. “Big difference is that violence and blood-thirsty behavior in the name of Christianity goes against the teachings of its founder.”
    Didn’t stop much though, did it? Torquemada, burning at the stake, God Guts and Guns!
    And again what about those barbarian Jews? Thugs by comparison,
    But was there a Holocaust in the levant?
    Short answer: no.

    bored again (d80b5a)

  86. But was there a Holocaust in the levant?
    Short answer: no.

    Not for lack of trying. Muzzies lacked German efficiency. Would you like a list of murderous pogroms? expulsions? We can start with Muhammad’s genocide of the Jews of Medina if you would like.

    Stu707 (0981d5)

  87. I see bored again is making up falsehoods still.

    SPQR (26be8b)

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