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11/1/2009

Reports Suggest Scozzafava Endorsing the Democrat; UPDATE: Confirmed

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:20 am



NationalJournal.com’s The Hotline notices that the Watertown Daily Times has stated in an editorial:

During the day Saturday, [Scozzafava] began to quietly and thoughtfully encourage her supporters to vote for Democrat William L. Owens.

and that her husband, a local labor union official, has done so — not so quietly:

“As a life-long labor activist, I know that Bill Owens understands the issues important to working people. On the other hand, Doug Hoffman has little regard for the interests of workers.”

“Hoffman’s opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act, coupled with his support for the failed policies of the Bush Administration make him a poor choice to serve the citizens of the 23rd Congressional District.”

Memo to Newt Gingrich: you were supporting someone who, when driven out of the race, is apparently deciding to endorse the Democrat over the fiscal conservative.

Does anything seem wrong to you about that picture?

UPDATE: Confirmed:

It is in this spirit that I am writing to let you know I am supporting Bill Owens for Congress and urge you to do the same.

It’s not in the cards for me to be your representative, but I strongly believe Bill is the only candidate who can build upon John McHugh’s lasting legacy in the U.S. Congress. John and I worked together on the expansion of Fort Drum and I know how important that base is to the economy of this region. I am confident that Bill will be able to provide the leadership and continuity of support to Drum Country just as John did during his tenure in Congress.

In Bill Owens, I see a sense of duty and integrity that will guide him beyond political partisanship. He will be an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York. Bill understands this district and its people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our interests first.

Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday. To address the tough challenges ahead, we must rise above partisanship and politics and work together. There’s too much at stake in this election to do otherwise.

Dede

The upshot of this, is that the Republican Party gave money to someone who ended up backing a Democrat — meaning the Republicans might as well have funded the Democrat.

83 Responses to “Reports Suggest Scozzafava Endorsing the Democrat; UPDATE: Confirmed”

  1. More like anti-labor activists. XP Unless someone joins a bloody union, they can’t work for a living apparently!

    Luke (463a12)

  2. Eric, come back and chastise us again for our willful betrayal of your God, Newt!

    Dmac (a964d5)

  3. What? A scorned woman running true to form, who would have ever imagined it?

    All credit to the Republican National Campaign Committee. The GOP’s experts know what’s best for the American people, and you can count on them to do something else, every time.

    ropelight (2f5f37)

  4. The fact that hubby was a life-long labor activist could have something to do with her political views. The definition of RINO in the dictionary will have her picture beside it. But then again, she probably was never a Republican, just pretended to be to get the money.

    Definitely, Rope, a woman scorned.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  5. Yup, her true colors come out. But at least this time, they came out before she won an election based on lies, and before conservatives once again had to compromise their principles “for the good of the party”. And, yes, I want that eric cat (not EB, who has a head on his shoulders, but the other eric) to explain how voting for someone who supports Democrat candidates once she’s out of the running is good for Republicans and, more importantly, Conservatives.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  6. PatAZ, I like the DIABLO tag on her more than the RINO tag. I know it’s a nuance thing. Much like the nuance between BANANA and NIMBY. But she’s more a DIABLO than a RINO.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  7. Hoffman’s opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act

    Oh, is that the legislation that would force every employee to publicly reveal his or her vote on whether to be represented by a union or not? Sounds less free and more totalitarian to me.

    The Scozzafavas appear to have rather “lefty” sentiments to me. But the obviousness of that may be harder to discern or understand for people like the following…

    Memo to Newt Gingrich:

    …if they’re the type to mince descriptions with words like, well, “lefty” or “progressive.” I’m not saying Gingrich is like that, but I notice more than a few people pulling their punches when characterizing a person as being liberal or leftwing — much less ultra-liberal or ultra-leftwing — or conservative or rightwing.

    Mark (411533)

  8. As for Scozzafava’s supporters, now they’re stuck with the second best liberal in the race. It’s silly, vindictive, and unnecessary for Dede to urge them to vote for Owens, her ideological bedfellows would have done it all on their own.

    This is just Scozzafava’s way of hitting back at the Washington, DC, GOP insiders who egged her on. Now, after the RNCC had been forced to recognize they created a no-win situation, and had no choice but to abandon her, Scazzafava has rightly turned on the expedient fools and in her rage is out to rub the RNCC’s red faces in their own pile of political crap. I for one say, you go girl!

    The RNCC deserves every insult they get from this debacle, in spades. They made this mess, now they can take responsibility for their folly. Or, do I hear crickets chirping?

    ropelight (2f5f37)

  9. This is also Scozzafava’s way of looking for a run in the future with that other party. They’ll welcome her into the fold. The RNCC banked on the rubes voting for who they were told to vote for. Fortunately there are still enough smart people around to do their own thinking.

    And speaking of future runs, Romney and Huckabee’s shameful pandering won’t soon be forgotten. Newt is irrelevant.

    Dana (e9ba20)

  10. Look, I have no problem with the “big tent” philosophy – it’s how you win elections. But this woman was a sad caricature of an actual RINO – if she had won, she’d be about as reliable as the two lobster hoochies from Main (h/t feets!).

    Dmac (a964d5)

  11. On a sidenote, Frank Rich tells me today that the G.O.P. Stalinists Have Invaded Upstate New York

    Oh noes! And with a few catchy phrases to spice it up!

    But preposterous as it sounds, the real action migrated to New York’s 23rd, a rural Congressional district abutting Canada. That this pastoral setting could become a G.O.P. killing field, attracting an all-star cast of combatants led by Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, William Kristol and Newt Gingrich, is a premise out of a Depression-era screwball comedy. But such farces have become the norm for the conservative movement — whether the participants are dressing up in full “tea party” drag or not.

    Dana (e9ba20)

  12. For the record, it’s the RNC and the NRCC. 😉

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  13. As Eric told us, we should just STFU and elect her.

    JD (ee8a9e)

  14. Only reason why I can understand the RNC pushing Scozzafava into the race was the belief that New York is so damn liberal — in which the political spectrum there generally runs from leftwing to ultra-leftwing — that in order to have a chance of getting at least a symbolic (or Pyrrhic?) victory required going with a RINO. Personally, if one hates New York (or other states like California), then one should hope its electorate and government go beserk in embracing the leftwing. It would be like a guy saying if you don’t do as I want and wish, I’m either gonna hit myself with a mallet or jump off a cliff.

    Mark (411533)

  15. “GOP Stalinist”? Isn’t that something like a “Christian Satanist”? Or a peaceful UK v Europe soccer crowd?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  16. The Republicrats and Democans are just two faces of the same — disfunctional abusive parent — party. Of course she’s going to endorse her “opponent”; the goal is for the party to remain in power.

    htom (412a17)

  17. […] out of the NY23 race, endorses her liberal Democrat opponent.  I suppose bird’s of a feather do flock together, eh?  Notice the part about her “long-time labor activist husband” – which part […]

    Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing « The Recreant Right (fb05f5)

  18. #15, John, Pete Sessions still thinks he’s head of the Rebublican National Campaign Committee, which is different from the RNC.

    ropelight (2f5f37)

  19. National Republican Congressional Committee?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  20. GOP Stalinist

    John, if you read the essay, Rich is using Hofstadter’s observation that the Birchers used the same tactics as the commies to deal with dissent in their ranks and saying the same thing is true about this situation. He points out Dede’s voting record in the Assembly is slightly right of many Republicans, yet, because she does not want to keep teh gays from getting hitched, is pro-choice, and likes unions, a group of absolutists wants to kick her out of the Party. He thinks its “Stalinist” (see Dana’s comments above about “remembering” and Gingrich being irrelevant).

    Personally, I think it’s wonderful. God, I hope Hoffman wins. Tea partiers and Birthers taking the GOP from the corporate types, forcing the GOP to nominate Hoffman’s all over the country next year, winning the 20-30 seats that used to be the norm in “off-year” elections, and moving even further to the Right for 2012.

    Lib dream for 2012: tea party folks nominate Palin and the Republican party is not a national party for ten years or more.

    Thanks to you guys, it might happen. Anyway, keep up the purging. Go HOFFMAN!

    timb (449046)

  21. timb — dumberer than a sack of Andrews.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  22. Arguing with the voices and Caricatures in its head again. Because of teh ghey! This type of leftist BS is just so tiresome.

    JD (c8af42)

  23. Frank Rich’s invocation of Hofstadter is an impressive example of his well-deserved reputation as an uncannily original thinker who doesn’t just stenograph what’s been said a zillion times.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  24. What a disaster for the RNC brand. Your “product” was:

    1) Was further left than the Democrat.
    2) Complete despised by most of the electorate.
    3) Such a piece of elite leftist garbage that she endorses the Democrat in an attempt to deprive the non-country clubbers of a win.

    Epic fail. The RINO purge needs to be stepped up, starting with the fiscal starvation of the organization that set up this fiasco.

    HatlessHessian (cca288)

  25. Am I the only person who ever suspected that some adulterous, ex-school teacher (Newt Gingrich) was just some hack politician only out for himself?

    nk (df76d4)

  26. That this creep (Newt Gingrich) rode on Reagan’s coattails for so long really burn me.

    nk (df76d4)

  27. Once Rich rolls out the Hofstadter, you can bet he’ll be quoting the Zinn, the Leuchtenberg, the Heilbroner, and the Marcuse–all of the paperback books Frank’s got left over from Harvard in the 1960s.

    Official Internet Data Office (967528)

  28. He points out Dede’s voting record in the Assembly is slightly right of many Republicans,

    Yea, but that’s in the context of leftwing New York State, which Frank Rich doesn’t even bother to elaborate on. Then again, he’s such an ultra-liberal himself, that anyone slightly right of, say, Michael Bloomberg or, for that matter, Dede Scozzafava is an ultra-conservative.

    This is from the link posted in Frank Rich’s column:

    bshor.wordpress.com:

    But, of course, she’s a New York Republican and conservative. And if you thought that Republican equals conservative, and Democratic equals liberal, you’d be pretty far off when looking at America’s 50 state legislatures. New York’s Republicans (along with Massachusetts’, Connecticut’s, Hawaii’s, and New Jersey’s) are the most liberal in the country, so much so that Democrats in Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and South Carolina are all more conservative on average.

    …Scozzafava has been assailed from the right for being far too liberal. For example, the libertarian Wall Street Journal this morning wrote of her that:

    Democrats want to portray this race as a familiar moderate-conservative GOP split, but the real issue is why Ms. Scozzafava is a Republican at all. She has voted for so many tax increases that the Democrat is attacking her as a tax raiser. She supported the Obama stimulus, and she favors “card check” to make union organizing easier, or at least she did until a recent flip-flop. She has run more than once on the line of the Working Families Party, which is aligned with Acorn. Her voting record in Albany puts her to the left of nearly half of the Democrats in the assembly. She also favors gay marriage, which is to the left of Mr. Obama.

    The conservative National Review writes:

    In spite of its having gone for Obama in 2008, the district’s history suggests that it is basically conservative; Ms. Scozzafava is basically not. Boy, is she not: Not only pro-choice and in favor of homosexual marriage — common if distasteful concessions to the secular liberals’ agenda — she also supports some of the most odious items on the Left’s wish-list, including the “card check” initiative that would put a big cudgel in the hands of Big Labor while effectively disenfranchising millions of American workers who may not desire to become Teamsters, SEIU members, or similar. She signed the Americans for Tax Reform pledge to oppose tax hikes but immediately declared that she was not bound by having done so. It is no surprise that she is supported by the public-employees unions, ACORN — and Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga. (Really.)

    Given how liberal Scozzafava truly is, I imagine the only reason she ran as a Republican to begin with was because the district she resides in generally favors that party to the Democrat one. So she did an end-run manuever the same way Democrat-registered Michael Bloomberg did when he switched to the Republican label and ran for mayor in New York City.

    Mark (411533)

  29. It’s official Scozzafava endorses Bill Owens for NY-23.

    From her statement: Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday. To address the tough challenges ahead, we must rise above partisanship and politics and work together. There’s too much at stake in this election to do otherwise.

    signed, Dede

    ropelight (2f5f37)

  30. Gingrich was once a thoughtful politician with good tactical instincts (The Contract with America) but he was never particularly conservative. I think what is happening is a libertarian revolt against the parties, both parties. Tim doesn’t see it but the lefties are always far more interested in reenforcement than hearing other opinions. They are taking the country off the cliff with insouciance not seen since the end of prefrontal lobotomy. Tomorrow will be interesting in the stock market. The 250 point drop Friday may have been a warning. I have a long post up on my thoughts about this situation and won’t repeat it here.

    God help us.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  31. watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091023/OPINION01/310239957/-1/OPINION

    Few answers. Hoffman unfamiliar with district issues
    “A flustered and ill-at-ease Mr. Hoffman objected to the heated questioning, saying he should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked. He was, if he had taken the time to read the Thursday morning Times editorial raising the very same questions.
    Coming to Mr. Hoffman’s defense, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, who accompanied the candidate on a campaign swing, dismissed regional concerns as “parochial” issues that would not determine the outcome of the election. On the contrary, it is just such parochial issues that we expect our representative to understand and be knowledgeable about, if he wants to be our voice in Washington.”

    Ever here the line All politics is parochial?
    Parochial is a derogatory term for “local”

    bored again (d80b5a)

  32. we must rise above partisanship and politics

    Translation:

    I’m a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and anything that isn’t of the left automatically is partisan and political. And, btw, the New York Times isn’t biased whatsoever. After all, it’s owned by a big corporation — which naturally makes it subservient to the Republican Party — and most reporters there, including the wonderful, sensible Frank Rich, and throughout the MSM in general are NOT liberal. They’re progressive!

    xoxox,
    Dede Scozzafava

    Mark (411533)

  33. Am I the only person who ever suspected that some adulterous, ex-school teacher (Newt Gingrich) was just some hack politician only out for himself?

    No.

    Dmac (a964d5)

  34. I loved that Frank Rich piece.

    Within the span of three paragraphs, I counted “Stalinist”, “Jacobian”, a thinly veiled “tea-bagger”, “Birchers”, and a gooey metaphor comparing Hoffman supporters to the Khmer Rouge.

    I can find better written vitriol for free over at ThinkProgress.

    Techie (482700)

  35. #19, John, yes. The following is from Pete’s official House site: About Pete Sessions

    “Congressman Sessions pursues his goals on these and other issues through his work on various Congressional committees and caucuses. He serves as a Member of the powerful House Committee on Rules. In 2008, he was elected by the House Republican Conference as Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.”

    ropelight (2f5f37)

  36. The only legitimate and acceptable Republicans for the leftists that haunt this place are Dems, people like Dede and Arlen.

    JD (24122d)

  37. But, you know, CIVILITY NOW! and all that.

    Techie (482700)

  38. And that’s fine, of course, JD.

    I wish all the Democrats were like Zell Miller or the late Sam Nunn, but I’m not disingenuous about it like they are.

    Techie (482700)

  39. The little lame and also fat and adulterous Newt Gingrich whistles far and wee and Meghan’s useless geriatric daddy comes running from marbles and Lindsey “I like girlth no really I promith” Graham comes skipping from clandestine butt piracies and susieandlympia come dancing from dirty socialist hopscotch and together they stand, True Republicans, and there’s the phone oh it’s homosocialist Jeffy Immelt’s MSNBC they want to book them all this Sunday please.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  40. John, I’m not sure what DIABLO is except DEVIL. But you are very probably right.

    Like 99% of the time, Happyfeet says it exactly right.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  41. I liked Gingrich’s thoughtfulness about technology, but now he’s become incoherent. First he starts harping on the importance of God. From someone of his checkered moral record, that just sounds phony (I don’t think he’s ever repented for his behavior) and seems like a naked ploy to get support from religious conservatives. Then Newt endorses a hard-core leftist. Scozzafava’s being endorsed by the Daily Kos founder leaves no doubt about that.

    I certainly hope Mike K. is right about a Libertarian revolt against both parties. The Republicans would be wise to stop opposing gay rights, call or at least de-emphasize the war on drugs and agree to disagree on abortion. If that were to happen, I’d probably become a Republican again.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  42. Note to Ms Scozzafava: You can rat, but you cannot re-rat. I hope the contributor lawsuits eat you alive.

    Kevin Murphy (3c3db0)

  43. Democrat In All But Label, Only … or like that.

    htom (412a17)

  44. Comment by Mike K — 11/1/2009 @ 2:02 pm

    Wasn’t most of the “Contract” written by Dick Armey?

    AD - RtR/OS! (57758f)

  45. Let’s get this straight: Scuzzy gets GOP nomination. Outraged conservatives field 3rd-party conservative. Most of GOP endorses 3rd-party conservative over GOP candidate Scuzzy. 3rd-party conservative outpolls Scuzzy. Scuzzy drops out, endorses Democrat. Outraged conservativeshaving succeeded in forcing Scuzzy out of the race, call Scuzzy a traitor.

    Something a touch wrong with that picture.

    Tully (c2f070)

  46. Mostly, Tully, the problem is your understanding. New York has a Conservative party.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  47. Yes, Tully, something is wrong. They should not have nominated a Dem as the Republican candidate in the first place.

    JD (6076b7)

  48. What this says is that Ms Scozzafava has no idea what loyalty is — if not to the party then to those within it who backed her despite her defects. The RNC, Gingrich, Steele and others who argued for standing by the local party’s choice have, um, egg across their faces.

    Worse, this means that local party choices across the country — not all of which are insane — are now undermined. This is not good for the Republican Party as a whole, although it may improve some candidates.

    In quitting, Ms Scozzafava seems to have done more to damage the party than she did in running, and she’s proved every detractor right: Here was a woman with a severe lack of personal integrity or honor. Having lost, her last act was to tarnish her supporters. What a prize. No wonder she went Democrat.

    Kevin Murphy (3c3db0)

  49. I’m a minority, and belive you me, most non whites aren’t crazy about unions. In my experience with working with Asian American businesses, not one of them employed a union member. Most ethnic supermarkets are ran by Latino workers who probably make 8,9 dollars an hour. Unions will wipe these businesses out in a milisecond.

    The Vietnamese and Koreans in Orange County can be more conservative than your typical American. But the GOP makes no real attempt to connect with people that should be considered as their base. Well, I heard Poizner is reaching out to Asian voters in the OC. It’s a start.

    lee (cae7a3)

  50. Comment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 11/1/2009 @ 3:27 pm

    Your wish list sounds a lot like McDonnell’s platform in VA.

    AD - RtR/OS! (57758f)

  51. Comment by lee — 11/1/2009 @ 3:53 pm

    Seems to me that the successful Asian pols in The OC are conservative, and GOP.

    AD - RtR/OS! (57758f)

  52. Something a touch wrong with that picture.

    That’s the usual response when a person looks at themselves in the mirror each morning and finds the picture staring back at them seriously wanting. Get used to it.

    Dmac (a964d5)

  53. Lee – That’s a good point. Here in Sacramento we have a large Russian, Ukranian, South East Asian segment of the community who are not being actively engaged by politicians.
    I can’t imagine these people traveled half way around the world to sign up for American Socialism.

    papertiger (4d1249)

  54. The Republicans would be wise to stop opposing gay rights, call or at least de-emphasize the war on drugs

    By opposing “gay rights,” you mean opposing same-sex marriage?

    We’ve already dumbed down enough of society’s prevailing standards and expectations, so to take it to (to take it down to) the next level will merely result in a version of the well-known effects of grade inflation in the public school room. IOW, everything and everyone ends up seeming cheaper (including an “A” grade, and an A-grade student) and sloppier — ie, “D” or “F” grade students now treated as no big deal, as a case of low-self-esteem kids who must be patted on their head and sent on their merry way.

    And is the war on drugs either the flip side to or a variation of the ongoing war on tobacco and cigarettes? For example, in LA there are now dozens of shops openly selling dope, while the city council is considering a stricter, more far-reaching ban on outdoor smoking of…still-legal cigarettes. With this being a classic case of ass-backwardsness run amok, I say we’re headed in a direction where no one and no thing can be taken seriously any longer, including legislators and their laws—then again, that’s the way people in drug-infested, crime-ridden Mexico have been treating their anti-narco bans for a long time.

    Mark (411533)

  55. How can the media describe a left wing candidate as Moderate without lying?

    tyree (bf0ee2)

  56. Re: 55, FOX is calling Scozzafava a “moderate Republican” and asking if hard-core Conservatives are going to run moderates and independents out of the GOP.

    The talking heads and pundits there aren’t that stupid. Either the FOX has developed a taste for Kool-Aid or Obama’s thugs have got them buffaloed.

    ropelight (2f5f37)

  57. WHY THEY HATE AND FEAR HER SO

    As she stood on her front steps looking out over Russia, Sarah Palin was able to discern that the GOP nominee in NY-23 was a covert flaming liberal – something that even an old warhorse on the scene, like Newt Gingrich, didn’t appreciate.

    Terry Gain (4045b4)

  58. Your wish list sounds a lot like McDonnell’s platform in VA.

    Good. Then I’ll rejoice if McDonnell wins, as looks very likely.

    A Republican alliance with the libertarian-minded would be a nightmare for the Dems, who still think sliming the Tea Party people like the clueless Frank Rich did is a winning strategy. I hope they keep it up.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  59. I’m ready Brother Bradley’s comment at 5:31pm, and it’s marked as 6:20pm…

    Someone forgot to set the clock back last night.

    AD - RtR/OS! (57758f)

  60. Let’s get this straight: Scuzzy gets GOP nomination. Outraged conservatives field 3rd-party conservative. Most of GOP endorses 3rd-party conservative over GOP candidate Scuzzy. 3rd-party conservative outpolls Scuzzy. Scuzzy drops out, endorses Democrat. Outraged conservativeshaving succeeded in forcing Scuzzy out of the race, call Scuzzy a traitor.

    The point is that she’s a Democrat. That was already evident from her record – hence the support for Hoffman. Now it’s even more evident. Nobody said “traitor”.

    Gerald A (a66d02)

  61. Moreover, the Republican leadership didn’t cause Scozzafava to drop out — her own polling did.
    (sent via tachyon)

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  62. The comments at Newt Gingrich’s blog are instructive — I hope Newt and other GOP folk are listening — but mostly funny.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  63. Heh. Scozzafava’s own campaign manager is now endorsing Hoffman,

    “I am supporting Doug Hoffman, because denying Nancy Pelosi another foot soldier is vital to restoring fiscal responsibility and common sense in Washington.”

    Better late than never, I suppose.

    Dana (e9ba20)

  64. If she really wanted Owens to win, shouldn’t she have stayed in the race to split the Republican vote? Is she that stupid, or is there something else going on?

    Amphipolis (8cd9a3)

  65. Amphipolis, I think by now Scuzzy Favor’s supporters were mostly liberal or liberal-leaning. All the conservatives had already left her camp, so dropping out will help the Dem.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  66. Amphipolis,

    Steven Den Beste suggested that Scozzafava’s candidacy actually hurt Owens, because they were both vying for the left-wing vote.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  67. It’s my understanding this is a heavily Republican district so I wonder how many GOP voters were like Newt Gingrich and supported the Party no matter what? Or how many planned to stay home instead of voting for a candidate other than the local Party’s choice (after all, isn’t all politics local)? There might be a lot of these voters if it’s as heavily Republican as they say.

    If so, like Gingrich’s change of heart, these voters might vote for Hoffman now that the Republican has dropped out. We’ll see Tuesday how many Newt Gingrich-style Republicans there are in this district.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  68. Say where is EricPWJohnson?

    I want his to set my mind at ease about DeeDee’s endorcement of the democrat.

    Did you know Scozzafava is doing robo-calls for Owens?

    She’s carrying this “moderate” Republican thing a bit too far.

    papertiger (ce4e0f)

  69. 68

    DeDe pissed – she lost to an unknown

    I was not a supporter of DeDe – I just looked at the “claims” made about her record (which most were not true she was rated 83% most conservative in the NY assembly)

    And I defended Newt Gingrichs record and reasoning to let local people and officials vote on their own business

    Weird – I know…

    EricPWJohnson (36ce70)

  70. EPWJ says “Don’t look at my past when I say I never …”

    Gotcha, EPWJ.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  71. My other reservations are the ACP claims of support for Pam Holmes for controller in Houston

    Houstn is THE most important city in America for several reasons

    It alone produces nearly 1/10th of the Entire GDP of the country (through the power generation and petro chemicals that fuel industries in other states)

    It produces 25% of all gasoline sonn to reach 33% when the Texas city refinery goes on full blast

    This complicated infrastructure is maintained by the City of Houston and the controllers position is really the only watch dog the citizens have for their tax dollars being spent wisely

    Pam Holmes and MJ Khan are the 2 Republicans in the Race

    Mj Khan is a registered engineer in civil and Mechanical Engineering, has an MBA and built a multi million dollar thriving business in Houston. MJ has been blasted for giving 1000 dollars to Sheila Jackson lee a decade ago and 1000 dollars to Ellison the only fellow muslim in a large office.

    Pam Holmes is a 3 term Republican city councilwoman. On paper she looks okay until you look deeper – on her website her educational experience is described as dating her husband in college (Professional women everywhere are banging their heads on their desks) Holmes has campaigned and supported financially with thousands of dollars prominent Democrat Candidates according to one source on Big Jolly Politics. Pam Holmes has been caught by Texas Watchdog for lying on her resume saying she was a financial anaylst when she was a secretary at that firm.

    Worse I found out she claims tohave been a CEO – of Houston Vision. Wow! Until you google it and find out it was a round table for getting rid of cheap bandit signs.

    That she didnt disclose.

    So when the same group touts Hoffman who’s lied about his role in the Olympics, taken hundreds of thousands of dollars or even millions in TARP money – (or organizations he does business with or sits on boards for)

    Also remembering that NY is a liberal state a Damato was a pain in the Ass to Reagan of Olympia (Snow) proportions – I would stretch this juicy fruit too far…

    EricPWJohnson (36ce70)

  72. Ya know, EPWJ, yer a blowhard. The sails in yer skiff are always billowing, even in the calmest of seas.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  73. The discussion about what is moderate or what constitutes the right tent-size for the GOP is important, perhaps, but what I am really interested is people like Newt and Eric telling me I should support the way Scozzafava was selected.

    Can someone please explain to me why some fatcats in a smoke-filled room, with interests contrary to their party and neighbors and country (OBVIOUSLY in this case, but generally too), should get to choose who the candidate is?

    Isn’t that Saddam’s way of doing things? Isn’t that pretty damn stupid? We can have an effective primary without spending too much money. It would have saved the GOP a million bucks in this district.

    Newt’s an insider, so he probably likes the special power insiders get, but what does Eric support this method for?

    the voters said the their GOP fatcats did not select an adequate candidate, so they fixed the problem, thankfully. I hope they involve themselves in their party more, but the system in place will always favor crooks and shady deals. In today’s information age, it’s trivial to set up a website where all the candidates can make their case, and set up a few polling stations where the voters can say which one makes the best candidate for office.

    Isn’t that what this mess should really be about?

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  74. Dustin

    In the case of a resignation during a term under NY law the county’s political chairmen pick an interim candidate to be put up for election

    I dont support this method at all – but its NY state law

    EricPWJohnson (36ce70)

  75. “Memo to Newt Gingrich: you were supporting someone who, when driven out of the race, is apparently deciding to endorse the Democrat over the fiscal conservative.”

    You’re kidding, right? After being flayed alive by conservative Republicans, she’s supposed to play ‘good soldier’ and endorse the Republican candidate. If it was me, I’d be saying ‘screw my party’ too – whether it was Democrat or Republican.

    JEA (3fc310)

  76. JEA,
    Scozzafava was hardly “flayed alive,” she was quite properly subjected to political criticism from conservatives — this free speech thing you know — for taking left-wing stands on both social and economic issues. Scozza’s own polls showed the voters rejecting her.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  77. I have to say, though, that when i vote for someone, who they are endorsed by has literally nothing to do with it. especially when it is so transparently an act of spite.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  78. I’m a bit late to this party, but:

    I am shocked that Dede would so openly support Hoffman. She may not be bright, but even she knows that is an express,open (instead of simply veiled) betrayal of her “GOP party loyalist” supporters, like Newt and the party apparatus.

    Still, I like clarity. Better a clear enemy than an enigma. For that, thanks, Dede.

    Mitch (a6a8c9)

  79. Eric, thanks for clarifying. Obeying the law is in and of itself the right thing to do, but in this case, it’s clearly contrary to the most basic principles. Look at how contrary the party’s choice was to the will of the people!

    The method by which we get our candidates is often the most tricky part of the process. How did we wind up with Mccain last round? A process that favors special favored states, but doesn’t really respect the will of the country. But that’s a much smaller injustice than some party bosses having a few secret meetings to pick which of their buddies will reward them the best for selection… often reward with such a selection in return, too.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  80. How many know (or remember) Robert Heinlein’s definition of an ‘honest politician’?

    One who stays bought.

    By that term Newt is ‘honest’; Dede not.

    Robert N. (9456b3)

  81. 81, Heinlein had another term to apply to RINOs and Democrats — Balancing!

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  82. “Look, I have no problem with the “big tent” philosophy – it’s how you win elections.”

    Uh, ‘[used] to win elections’.

    gary gulrud (f1fb87)


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