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9/8/2009

Democrats Show Republicans How It’s Done

Filed under: Obama,Politics — DRJ @ 6:48 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

The Obama Administration and Democrats were incensed that Americans objected to Obama’s proposed speech to schoolchildren, labeling the objections as everything from silly to paranoia. Compare that to the Democrats’ after-the-fact reaction to a similar speech by President George H.W. Bush:

“The controversy over President Obama’s speech to the nation’s schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush’s speech — they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.”

So Democrats authorized a GAO investigation and held an extensive Congressional hearing? That seems a bit … hysterical, especially since it came after they heard Bush’s speech and knew it was as unremarkable as Obama’s ended up.

H/T JD

— DRJ

113 Responses to “Democrats Show Republicans How It’s Done”

  1. Next they’ll say two wrongs dont make a right?

    Has Rangel stepped down yet – Delay has yet to be tried – its been what 4 years know?

    EricPWJohnson (999d2e)

  2. Has this been noted in even one MSM article?

    JD (c40e14)

  3. NPR shows the rest of the dirty socialist media how it’s done.

    President Obama addressed the nation’s schoolchildren Tuesday, urging them to work hard. Some students at Stuart-Hobson Middle School in Washington, D.C., who watched the president’s address, called his speech “really true,” and “inspirational.”

    Note – that’s not the transcript there – you have to click to hear the schoochilren speak of the joy that Barack Obama brought into their lives and hearts with his Glorious Words.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  4. So am I getting that pony or what?

    nk's daughter (df76d4)

  5. That’s Different.

    Obama is The One Lightworker. Bush the Elder was the Father of Satan.

    -The Dems.

    Techie (482700)

  6. So they shared their criticism and asked for a neutral party to investigate after they heard what the guy said. A shocking double standard.

    imdw (017d51)

  7. Shocking asshattery from imdw

    JD (1e912f)

  8. Next they’ll say two wrongs don’t make a right?

    How did you guess? 🙂

    Being stupid and partisan because your opponent was once stupid and partisan is hardly leadership.

    We saw the same dynamic with Justice Roberts/Justice Sotomayor.

    I challenge Republicans to be the bigger party for once.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  9. Starting next year, the plan also calls for annual fees of $6 billion on health-insurance providers, $4 billion for medical-device makers, $2.3 billion on drug makers and $750 million on clinical laboratories.

    The fees would be levied on individual companies based on market share. Insurers also face an excise tax of 35% for any health plan worth more than $8,000 a year for individuals and $21,000 a year for families.*

    That’s starting next year but when does the dirty socialist health care start? 2013. After dirty socialist dick for brains gets his Chicago street trash ass re-elected.

    You tax what you want less of, boys and girls.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  10. I am interested in how holding Congrssional hearings is in any way comparable to citizens voicing their concerns. And, I am not following the Roberts/Sotomayor comparison, unless your goal was to show how small of a man Baracky is.

    JD (1e912f)

  11. Being stupid and partisan because your opponent was once stupid and partisan is hardly leadership.

    Being stupid and partisan just because you can isn’t leadership either.

    I challenge Democrats to actually grow up. Like you, Myron.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  12. I am interested in how holding Congrssional hearings is in any way comparable to citizens voicing their concerns

    JD: Speaking for me, I agree with DRJ that the call for a hearing was a scarcely-concealed partisan move on the Democrats. But on the general subject of hearings, many of them include testimony from citizens.

    I don’t know what kind of hearing the Dems held for the particular circus in question.

    I don’t even remember it. It probably got mostly ignored like the latest round of manufactured outrage should have been ignored.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  13. I challenge Republicans to be the bigger party for once.

    Gosh Myron, if only your party had led by example…but that’s okay, we will lead and you try to follow.

    Dana (863a65)

  14. Myron expects the GOP to be better and have more integrity than the Democrats.

    That’s OK, so does America.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  15. Paul: You appear to have no point. I know it’s popular in the blogosphere to try to do a clever take off of what your opponent just wrote, but the resulting comment should still have a point.

    “Boy, you ain’t learnt good.”

    May I assume you’re a product of public education?

    Myron (6a93dd)

  16. I don’t even remember it. It probably got mostly ignored like the latest round of manufactured outrage should have been ignored.

    Ah yes, the “I don’t recall” meme.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  17. Paul: You appear to have no point.

    I can tell you, but I can’t make you understand. You’ll have to do that yourself.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  18. May I assume you’re a product of public education?

    Oh, I thought liberals loved public education, thought it was the greatest invention in the history of humankind.

    Was that supposed to be an insult?

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  19. Myron – The Dems dragged the Sec of Education, Lamar Alexander, to the Hill for testimony. DRJ was kind enough to provide a link to a story about how your party reacted to something, even after knowing that there was no political message involved. That you choose to remain uninformed, yet continue to pontificate, is indicative of what we have come to expect from you.

    What was the point of the Roberts/Sotomayor comparison?

    JD (1e912f)

  20. I can tell you, but I can’t make you understand.

    A classic dodge from a person whose rhetorical points have been spent.

    Kid: I suspect your arms are a little too short to box with me. So please forgive me while I ignore you the rest of the thread, OK?

    P.S.

    Strikes me as a lot of guys are using “meme” these days. Just so you know, Paul, it has thus acquired the distinct whiff of hackery. Consider that tip a freebie.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  21. A classic dodge from a person whose rhetorical points have been spent.

    You never had any to begin with.

    Kid: I suspect your arms are a little too short to box with me. So please forgive me while I ignore you the rest of the thread, OK?

    You have no idea who you are dealing with.

    Go ahead and ignore me. It won’t make you any smarter, you’ll still prove yourself to be devoid of facts, reason, or logic.

    Strikes me as a lot of guys are using “meme” these days. Just so you know, Paul, it has thus acquired the distinct whiff of hackery. Consider that tip a freebie.

    Well, you should know.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  22. Myron:

    I challenge Republicans to be the bigger party for once.

    They are. I don’t see any GAO investigations or Congressional hearings, do you?

    DRJ (6a2898)

  23. JD:

    I’ll put it on slow-speed. See if you can follow.

    1. When the Democrats criticized Bush and held a hearing, that was stupid and partisan.

    2. In No. 1 above, I conceded the point to DRJ. So what exactly are you arguing?

    3. When the GOP and right-wing media conspired to bamboozle a few hapless citizens into thinking Obama’s conservative message of boot-strapping was “socialism” that, also, was stupid and partisan.

    4. The high-number of Democrats who voted against well-qualified Justice Roberts revealed more stupid partisanship.

    5. As did the (even) higher number of Republicans who voted against the well-qualified Sotomayor.

    6. The larger point is that if Republicans are merely going to mimic Democrats in bipartisan stupidity, what is the point of Republicans?

    7. Lastly, my comment about citizens and hearings was a general comment, not specific to the partisan hearing the Dems held on Bush speaking to schoolchildren.

    Whew. Are you trying to make me work?

    Myron (6a93dd)

  24. They are. I don’t see any GAO investigations or Congressional hearings, do you?

    Well, no. But they certainly ginned up an even bigger controversy than the Dems did — manipulating a MSM that is allegedly hostile to their interests.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  25. Myron, I find it very indicative that you think that the GOP following Democrat tactics rebounds to the GOP’s discredit, but not to the Democrats.

    It is obvious that you hold the GOP to a higher standard even while pretending not to.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  26. Myron, go borrow some IQ points from somebody already.

    Watching stupidity on your scale gives me a headache.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  27. BS, SPQR. It is nothing but a partisan hack. It is ironic that he used Roberts/Sotomayor as the unitey post-partisan healer Barcky voted against Roberts, an attorney that forgets more about the law during a morning constitutional than Teh One has ever known.

    What was the Conservative message behind the Barcky DoE lesson plans that included K-6 students writing letter about what they could do to help Teh One succeed, and have their teachers collect them so there could be accountability?

    JD (1e912f)

  28. Myron:

    Well, no. But they certainly ginned up an even bigger controversy than the Dems did — manipulating a MSM that is allegedly hostile to their interests.

    Bush’s speech was 18+ years ago. How much do you remember about media coverage and public reaction at the time?

    DRJ (6a2898)

  29. I wonder if there is anything in the Congressional Record regarding the incident. I don’t think the online CR goes back that far.

    j curtis (baef6f)

  30. DRJ – It already told us it does not even recall the hearings, so its abilities as a historian are not exactly fine-tuned.

    JD (1e912f)

  31. … indicative that you think that the GOP following Democrat tactics rebounds to the GOP’s discredit, but not to the Democrats.

    SPQR: Cut and paste where I said that. Or I’ll give you a second option: Cut and paste where I praised the Democrats for stupid partisanship.

    Otherwise, you’re just making stuff up, no?

    Myron (6a93dd)

  32. Bush’s speech was 18+ years ago. How much do you remember about media coverage and public reaction at the time?

    I follow politics pretty closely, though admittedly, not as close back then, as now.

    But I remember things that received wide coverage.

    For instance, I don’t think 18 years from now I’ll forget that the GOP, FoxNews, right-wing media and a compliant MSM tried to make something ugly out of a school speech. I’ll remember that school systems and some parents opted out of the speech.

    I don’t remember that happening with Bush. Maybe it did.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  33. Bush’s speech was 18+ years ago. How much do you remember about media coverage and public reaction at the time?

    DRJ, he’s already said he doesn’t remember it, and speculated “it probably got mostly ignored like the latest round of manufactured outrage should have been ignored.”

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  34. I will show you where the Republicans showed this “leadership” of which you speàk. Ginsberg. The fact is that Myron and its ilk say that they want responsible leadership from Republicans, and by that, they mean Republicans should act like Specter and the lobster-pot hoochies. It is naked partisanship.

    JD (1e912f)

  35. The main objection was what Obama was going to say about schoolchildren helping “him”. NOT THEIR COUNTRY. There was so much outrage, he changed his speech. If I had children in school, you can bet they would not be allowed to listen to him spinning his crap on schoolkids. What a creep.
    Madalyn

    Madalyn (5a8e67)

  36. For instance, I don’t think 18 years from now I’ll forget that the GOP, FoxNews, right-wing media and a compliant MSM tried to make something ugly out of a school speech. I’ll remember that school systems and some parents opted out of the speech.

    Of course you won’t. you’re a partisan hack, which is why you would intimately the scent of hackery.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  37. “intimately know the scent of hackery.”

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  38. You are pitiful Myron. You can’t even make you stupid analogies stand up.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  39. Myron, look up the word “indicative.”

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  40. Comment No. 26: Yes, whoever you are, YOUR brilliance on the other hand just shines through in your schoolyard taunts. Please, tell us more!

    Myron (6a93dd)

  41. JD: I assume you mean Ginsburg. And I’ll even add one: Breyer. Both Clinton appointees, both well-qualified, both well-to-the-left, and both rightly approved on wide, bipartisan support.

    I even made note of that on a Sotomayor thread on this very blog, how Republicans used to behave about SC nominees.

    But that GOP is dead, and we all know it. Everything is hopelessly partisan, even a simple act of the president telling kids to stay in school.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  42. daleyrocks: Huh?

    Myron (6a93dd)

  43. Myron:

    Yep, the GOP is dead. The one party has the ring to rule us all.

    I hope that works out for you.

    Ag80 (01be36)

  44. Everything is hopelessly partisan, even a simple act of the president telling kids to stay in school.

    A partisan hack whining about partisanship. Unintentional humor at its best!

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  45. Where can you show the equivalent “leadership” on your side of the aisle, Myron? I am just playing along with this BS talking point of yours, because the only good GOP to people like you is one that STFU and gets out of the way.

    JD (1e912f)

  46. Ag80: You didn’t follow. The GOP that crosses the aisle is dead. I was pretty clear, so the problem of communication is on your end.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  47. The GOP that crosses the aisle is dead.

    Oh, so bipartisanship only happens when the GOP sacrifices their principles. I see.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (784fd8)

  48. JD: Let me show just one example of leadership on my side. Health care costs are out of control, and there are millions of people uninsured. Medical costs have contributed to many people going bankrupt. Other people are forgoing care they need b/c of the costs.

    Leadership demands some action. The Democrats are taking action.

    The GOP did nothing when it was in power.

    Now, we can, and I’m sure, will, debate whether or not the Dems approach is best. I’m sure I will find scarce support here for any of the bills being talked about or any bill the Dems are apt to come up with (even if it’s mostly written by that damn Olympia Snowe.) 🙂

    But the Dems are doing something, and they may pass a toothless piece of legislation, but it’s a giant step beyond what the GOP even thought about doing.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  49. 1. When the Democrats criticized Bush and held a hearing, that was stupid and partisan.

    2. In No. 1 above, I conceded the point to DRJ. So what exactly are you arguing?

    3. When the GOP and right-wing media conspired to bamboozle a few hapless citizens into thinking Obama’s conservative message of boot-strapping was “socialism” forced Obama to eliminate the “serve the President” letters and rewrite his entire speech, that, also, was stupid and partisan.

    4. The high-number of Democrats who voted against well-qualified Justice Roberts revealed more stupid partisanship.

    5. As did the (even) higher number of Republicans who voted against the well imminently un-qualified Sotomayor.

    6. The larger point is that if Republicans are merely going to mimic Democrats in bipartisan stupidity, what is the point of Republicans?

    7. Lastly, my comment about citizens and hearings was a general comment, not specific to the partisan hearing the Dems held on Bush speaking to schoolchildren.

    FTFY

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  50. You have got to be f*cking kidding me. Your example of GOP leadership is the GOP acting like Dems. Your example of comparable Dem leadership is trying to ram the pubic option down people’s throats when the majority of the public is against it. It did not surprise me that you could not offer a comparable example to Ginsburg, since yours habe hyper-politicized the nomination process.

    JD (1e912f)

  51. Myron said:

    Ag80: You didn’t follow. The GOP that crosses the aisle is dead. I was pretty clear, so the problem of communication is on your end.

    So you’re saying that opposition no longer matters.

    Funny how times change. Is it Oceania or Europa this time. I lose count.

    One world under Obama should be interesting.

    Ag80 (01be36)

  52. Which SCOTUS nominee in the past 30 years has said a person with a specific “race” and gender is better suited to give legal decrees than a person with a different “race” and gender? Here’s a hint: it ain’t someone qualified to be a member of SCOTUS.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  53. Myron are you actually comparing one of the best Justices ever with “David Duke in a skirt.”

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  54. Myron health costs are out of control largely due to democrats rigging health care in this country. Freeloaders at emergency rooms, hospitals can’t bill the feds but have to eat the costs and pass it on to the privately insured. Medicare and Medicaid won’t reimburse doctors and hospitals to the same degree as cash customers so again cash customers and the privately insured have to subsidize those patients. Then there is the matter of med malpractice and the fact that health insurance companies are not allowed a national market, have to add the cost of 50 separate state insurance departments plus the required mandates those state require. There is no free market in medical insurance. Perhaps if there were one costs would considerably lower. All the evils in the present system have one common denominator: democrats. All of the present problems have at their root democrat legislation. Funny thing though, the democrats have been consistent in one thing, all the restrictions somehow don’t apply to members of congress and their families and favored groups like unions. Anything the democrats pass is surely going to make the present situation worse. They always do.

    But what is overlooked is the fact that government is paying what is in essence charity when it has no constitutional basis to do so. If millions of people are uninsured, so what. As a taxpayer, that is not my problem. I am not their’s or your indentured servant. Their problem or your problem is not my obligation. I have no problem giving a substantial portion of my income to charity to help the poor, charities I believe in and charities that have proven records if I was not already so heavily taxed to begin with. What democrats have done is bastardized the language regarding providing for the common welfare as the term was understood at the time to mean, that is providing for roads, harbors and ports, postal service and bridges. Things that benefit everyone directly and equally and not in the current usage which is charity to some at the expense of the taxpayer. Charity is not a legitimate government function or expense.

    cubanbob (409ac2)

  55. Obama gives speech to kids: those who oppose it are insane. Bush gives speech to kids: GAO investigation and a Congressional hearing called…

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    People have said to me, “It’s the same thing Bush did.”  No it’s not.

    Bush did not have study guides instructing children to write how they would help him achieve his agenda and have teachers hold them accounta…

    Are you Freaking Stupid? (88a07c)

  56. Myron expects the GOP to be better and have more integrity than the Democrats.

    I’m sure he unconsciously realizes his ideology and that of the Democrat Party (ie, “progressivism”) isn’t worth a damn. A tiny voice in the back of his brain must be whispering to him: “My sentiments are ass-backwards, my compassion is phony, and only bratty kids, immature adults, flakes and frauds fall for a leftist agenda.”

    Mark (411533)

  57. Myron,

    You view Republicans as partisan and inflexible because they won’t compromise with Democrats on health care and agree to mandatory coverage and other restrictions. Instead, Republicans insist on less restrictive solutions, something you apparently find objectionable.

    So let’s turn your argument around.

    Democrats won’t compromise on abortion and agree to mandatory parental notifications and restrictions on third trimester and partial birth abortions. So why are Democrats so inflexible and partisan regarding abortion?

    DRJ (6a2898)

  58. DRJ, I don’t have to quote the motto of the New Democratic Party again, do I?

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  59. That’s different?

    DRJ (6a2898)

  60. JD: You think you’re arguing against me about SC nominees, but you’re not. I have written extensively elsewhere on this very blog about Dems being the one who politicized the SC nomination process. I even wrote about how Obama voted against Roberts (and Alito). I was somewhat sorry to see the GOP do the same political b.s. with Sotomayor (although it does clear the way for Obama to go very hard left next time, since the GOP will clearly vote against anybody he nominates).

    As for the public option, just b/c a majority opposes something — and I don’t think that’s accurate, I think it’s more split, depending on what poll you look at — that does not mean it’s the wrong thing. By the “majority rules” argument, segregration might have continued for another generation, if people in the Jim Crow states had had a vote.

    A clear majority believe a woman should have the right to choose, but there are many — perhaps even some people on this blog — who firmly believe otherwise.

    Myron (e63c20)

  61. John Hitchcock: I’m not really in the mood to re-litigate Sotomayor. She’s in. It’s over. But for future reference, try this on for size:

    Sam Alito, during his confirmation:

    Senator, I tried to in my opening statement, I tried to provide a little picture of who I am as a human being and how my background and my experiences have shaped me and brought me to this point. … And that’s why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let’s say, someone who is an immigrant — and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases — I can’t help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn’t that long ago when they were in that position. […]

    And that goes down the line. When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.

    Myron (e63c20)

  62. Cubanbob: You’ve been listening to Rush or some such pale substitute, haven’t you? I ask that, b/c your argument is so spectactularly one-sided it was frankly heard to get through.

    Our health care system is the way it is b/c Democrats AND Republicans have kowtowed to big business. Watch how this bill comes out. The insurance companies will still win big, b/c they’ll have a bunch of new customers who are now required to get health insurance. So don’t weep for them. They don’t want portability; they want to continue making obscene profits.

    I always say the difference b/n D’s and R’s is that D’s blame the rich and R’s blame the poor.

    Myron (e63c20)

  63. And that should have been “frankly hard to get through.” OK. It’s late or rather early where I am. Been nice playing the dozens with you knuckas. Might buzz by tomorrow to see if anyone added anything intelligent. Peace and hair grease

    Myron (e63c20)

  64. Myron, honey, you said Sotomayor was well-qualified. You used that in your flawed premise, dearie. And, sweetie, if you don’t want to see the fact she declared a specific gender and race to be superior to another gender and race in making legal decisions, that is because you have to admit to yourself that you lost the argument on histo-factual grounds, sugarplum, and you cannot debate yourself out of the corner in which you painted yourself, sweet muffin.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  65. Oh, DRJ: In answer to your question, I don’t believe Republicans are really seeking any solutions. I think it’s obvious they would vote against any bill.

    They have thrown out an idea or two I think are worthy: Portability, for one.

    But if they’re not seriously at the table to advocate and push for their ideas, they’re just wasting everybody’s time, right?

    I return to a point I made earlier. If the GOP was interested in reform, why didn’t its members even discuss it when they controlled all branches of government? It was not even mentioned.

    Democrats won’t compromise on abortion b/c they by and large believe that a woman’s right to choose is fundamental. Is that comparable to the GOP inflexibility on health care? Are Republican politicians saying that blocking reform is a core value? I don’t think so. In fact, most Republicans asked about it pay lip service to wanting some kind of reform.

    Myron (e63c20)

  66. See what I mean, DRJ? It’s just game playing.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  67. Myron – Our health care system is the way it is b/c Democrats AND Republicans have kowtowed to big business.

    Close, but not really accurate. Government expansion has allowed larger companies to successfully lobby the ever more powerful government for market interference specifically designed for the benefit of said companies.

    The relationship is symbiotic, and it constitutes a restriction on the free market, not a description of such.

    Leftists, however, omit the role of an interfering government and point to said interaction as a ‘market failure’, the solution to which is – surprise! – bigger government, which will have even more power to divide the spoils and set the rules of participation in what should be free enterprise.

    Big business cannot restrict competition from the small guys without government help.

    We have a situation in our country today in which too many participants in our society have faced no consequences for their failures – and, coincidentally, these same groups are attempting to rig the system to continue the practice.

    It’s not about who they blame, it’s about who allows them to continue without facing the music.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  68. Ya know what, my precious? Democrats don’t want to hear what kind of reform is necessary to fix the health insurance “crisis” because, kitten, the Democrats created the crisis. If we could get real TORT reform, cuddles, a large portion of the problem would go away. And I really don’t need insurance that covers me for ob/gyn problems, honey-cakes, since I will never have ob/gyn problems. And artsy Dana doesn’t need coverage for her Lance Armstrong disease, rose petal, since she cannot get that, either.

    And, while we’re at it, cookie, what about the Constitutional requirement to the states to stop inter-state meddling, with which the health insurance companies have to deal?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  69. John Hitchcock: Where did she use her gender and race to make legal decisions? Can you cite the case? And please don’t say the firefighter case where she sided against the Hispanic firefighter and stuck with precedent (alongside two white judges). I think in 7 out of 9 discrimination cases she sided against the plaintiff.

    She simply wasn’t the carcicature some politicians pretended she was. Of course, they knew they were playing politics and pretending (even John McCain in his lowest moment since choosing Sarah Palin). Some folks outside Washington — such as you — fell for the okey-doke.

    OK, NOW it really is time to go.

    Myron (e63c20)

  70. A hispanic woman is better capable to make decisions than a white man ring a bell, sweetiepie?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  71. “The GOP did nothing when it was in power.”

    Tosh. Both parties do stuff when they’re in power.

    Bill Clinton turned the White House into a cathouse.

    George Bush smashed two state sponsors of terrorism and wiped out thousands of terrorists.

    Dave Surls (8f4404)

  72. Hey, John? See how dumb all of us are, and how smart Myron is?

    Who knew? You and I call it hypocrisy and false relativism (and game playing). The truth is, we just aren’t smart enough to understand that…that…that…”D” things are better than “R” things.

    He’s just playing games.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  73. (How is my new, softer approach working?)

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  74. You better watch it—you will soon be competing with JD for denounce-ability!

    Seriously, you never do that kind of thing with folks who disagree in good faith. Since you were being condescended to, I thought your responses were funny. He knew you were trying to get him to blow a gasket. Part of the gag.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  75. Yeah, I didn’t like the new me, either. Besides, I was running out of pet-names.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  76. Try Sugar-biscuit, Sunshine-bucket & sugar num-nums.

    Always works for me.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  77. Myron:

    Democrats won’t compromise on abortion b/c they by and large believe that a woman’s right to choose is fundamental. Is that comparable to the GOP inflexibility on health care? Are Republican politicians saying that blocking reform is a core value?

    I think limited government and market solutions are core Republican values, just as a woman’s right-to-choose is a core value for Democrats. If I can see both sides of those examples, why can’t you?

    DRJ (6a2898)

  78. If I can see both sides of those [non-congruent] examples [you gave], why can’t you?

    FTFY, DRJ

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  79. You know the answer, DRJ. He knows better than you do. And not just for you. For everyone. It takes a village, you know.

    The funny part is how the tune changes when people they don’t like make rules for them. They are much happier making rules for the lumpenproletariat. And yet they try and blame that point of view on the Right.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  80. “Democrats won’t compromise on abortion b/c they by and large believe that a woman’s right to choose is fundamental.”

    So, if a woman chose not to pay her income tax, that would be a fundamental right respected by the Dems?

    Doubt it.

    Dave Surls (8f4404)

  81. And I have to wonder how hard it was for a woman like DRJ to actually type out “a woman’s right-to-choose.” I can only imagine the sharp pains running up the fingers as the fingertips hit the keys and the brain acts in a serious, deliberative manner.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  82. #40:

    whoever you are

    I have never made any secret of who I am.

    Please, tell us more!

    You can’t argue your way from noon to 12 pm, its not worth the waste of electrons to engage you.

    Like I said before, go get a little smarter somewhere else, at somebody else’s expense. You are too laughably stupid to engage.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  83. EW1 – That cracked me up.

    JD (8541bc)

  84. “Cubanbob: You’ve been listening to Rush or some such pale substitute, haven’t you? I ask that, b/c your argument is so spectactularly one-sided it was frankly heard to get through.

    Our health care system is the way it is b/c Democrats AND Republicans have kowtowed to big business. Watch how this bill comes out. The insurance companies will still win big, b/c they’ll have a bunch of new customers who are now required to get health insurance. So don’t weep for them. They don’t want portability; they want to continue making obscene profits.

    I always say the difference b/n D’s and R’s is that D’s blame the rich and R’s blame the poor.

    Comment by Myron — 9/8/2009 @ 11:43 pm”

    What part of health care is not a government responsibility do you not get? As for listening to Rush comment, please. He has more intelligence in one of his turds than the entire democratic party. Which communist house organ do you get your talking points from? You seem to confuse republicans withs conservatives. They are not one and the same. The only somewhat truthful comment you have made is that big business is in bed with big government, wow what a concept! Of course they are, how else can they survive and prosper? They pay their protection money to the mob a/k/a the permanent governing class. That’s the Chicago Way.

    What this country needs is the dismantling of big government and the welfare state.

    If as you say the insurance companies come out as big winners it just proves once again what whores the democrats are. Political aggrandizement always trumps principals for the the traditional party of treason, no-nothingness and idiocy. If they can’t pass this monstrosity with a veto proof majority in congress along with marxist president they can’t even managed that right. Just like the gang in Jimmy Breslin’s novel from back in the seventies “if the owned a gas station and stole the customer’s cars they still couldn’t make a buck”. This democrat congress is quite arguable not only the most corrupt and stupid congress in history but also the most arrogant and politically incompetent one as well. Still as every leftist conveniently overlooks is if this bill is such a good deal, then why is the congress and the executive and judiciary exempt from it? Good enough for the masses but not good enough for the vanguard of the proletariat?

    And just like a typical idiot leftist, always the same accusations of “Rush talking points” blah, blah blah. Never a rebuttal on the facts because you can’t. As for spectacularly one sided, you bet I am. My wallet’s side. Like I said, I’m not your indentured servant and your problems are not my obligations. Unless someone is physically or mentally handicapped, anyone born and raised in this country and is over 25 years old and poor, is poor due to their own foolish choices. There is no need to subsidize foolishness and create more fools.

    By the way, I am not a big Rush listener, it is that common sense is self evident for the person of average intelligence, so what is your excuse?

    cubanbob (409ac2)

  85. In an ideal world, all of the insurance companies would announce that due to the aggravation factor, they are discontinueing health-care coverage, and refunding everyone’s money (which would put more than a few of them into BK – but, such is life).
    The lesson here is:
    You want to visit a doctor, take your checkbook!
    Don’t expect anyone else to pay for your neccessities, or extravagances – we’ve got enough problems of our own without having to deal with yours too.

    AD - RtR/OS! (5b5739)

  86. I wish Myron would define “obscene profits” for us. 4%? 6%? 8%? Kind of reminds me of the evil “windfall profits” punitives they used to push.

    JD (33d9a9)

  87. cubanbob, you fail to realize that the reason you are successful is that the government loves you and takes care of you. Without the soft embrace of the omnicompetent government, you’d be forced to stand on your own two feet.

    All hail Teh One™!

    steve miller (c5e78c)

  88. The only think obscene is the idea that health care professionals shouldn’t get rich. If you want smart people to do something, you need to let them get rich doing it.

    I want to see super high profits for pharma, docs, researchers, and even HMOs. I want to see health care as a place that smart people go to make lots of money.

    Is that what Obama wants?

    Juan (bd4b30)

  89. As long as Teh One™ ends up on top of the heap it doesn’t matter what happens; misery or happiness, as long as he’s in charge.

    You do get this, right?

    steve miller (c5e78c)

  90. He has more intelligence in one of his turds than the entire democratic party.

    Ah-ha. As I suspected, you ARE a ditto-head, and thus dismissed by me. Parroting Rush! You should find better things to do with your time.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  91. I want to see health care as a place that smart people go to make lots of money.

    Juan: I don’t mind people getting rich, if they don’t do it by say, dropping people from insurance coverage at the very moment they get sick.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  92. The canards, they are a-flyin’

    JD (3399c0)

  93. I think limited government and market solutions are core Republican values, just as a woman’s right-to-choose is a core value for Democrats. If I can see both sides of those examples, why can’t you?

    DRJ: I can see the conservative side. But I don’t think that’s what’s been offered by the GOP in the health care debate.

    I don’t think this is a values debate at all, not from the GOP side.

    Republicans are not looking for reform, conservative or otherwise. They are looking to kill the bill. Killing a bill strictly so a president of an opposing party can meet his “waterloo” is not a value, is it? That’s what I’m talking about.

    There is a principled way to debate a bill. I don’t think that is what is happening at all. I think the GOP has basically taken the talk-radio rout: Negativity, misinformation and hyperbole.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  94. There is a principled way to debate a bill.

    Aren’t these the same dirty socialists what just rammed a phony trillion dollar “stimulus” bill through without debate?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  95. Myron, your claim that the GOP is only opposing the bill from a desire to stub Obama’s toe is among the more obvious of the falsehoods you truck in.

    I’m sure you’ll be able to point out where in the GOP political platforms of the last couple of decades that government run healthcare for the US has been hiding.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  96. JD: Facts don’t become “canards” simply b/c you don’t accept them. Look the word up. Honestly, it does not mean what you think it means.

    I’m not going to spend all day finding examples of people getting dropped, but here is one — small businesswoman dropped when she got sick:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702455.html?hpid=topnews

    Myron (6a93dd)

  97. happyfeet: Just so you know, you look kind of ignorant when you use the word “socialists” in this context.

    I’m not saying you’re ignorant. I’m saying the statement makes you look ignorant.

    If you can’t engage in the debate with serious commentary, might you be better off on another thread?

    Myron (6a93dd)

  98. SPQR: I reached my conclusion by deduction. The GOP has shown no inclination to reform health care whenever it held the reins of power. It does, however, have a track record of helping to kill Democratic-controlled reform. Now, it is back, trying to kill another attempt at reform.

    I don’t think my deduction is so out-of-bounds.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  99. Myron – Next time you bring some serious debate, will you let us know first?

    JD (89af33)

  100. Myron, that is not deduction. That’s about four different logical fallacies.

    And you know its a falsehood yourself, Myron.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  101. I am particularly impressed with argument by anecdote. Is that the exception, or the rule, Myron? Maybe you can point us to the 50 State Dept. of Insurance’s where it shows how many times people have been wrongfully dropped from coverage. Again, is dropping, or even recission, the exception, or the rule? Then, compare that to the number of policies in effect. Never mind. You do not care. You have your talking points.

    JD (89af33)

  102. Barack Obama should be so kind as not to yoke me nor mine to an irreversible and curiously arbitrary dirty socialist health care scheme. This I was thinking, almost napping, when Myron suddenly started yapping. You’re not ignorant, yapped Myron, yapping yappings never yapped before. But Barack Obama is still a dirty socialist I think.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  103. JD: I’ll answer your question with a question. What number of sick people getting dropped from care would make you feel there is a need for reform?

    I find it difficult to fathom people who zealously defend the current system. To demonize Dems and Obama, some folks are willing to make heroes (or victims) out of the same insurance companies that deny people coverage for pre-existing conditions and drop people’s coverage when they get sick. Big Insurance has an army of (unpaid) useful idiots. Must be nice.

    I’ll give you some credit: At least “anecdote” is the right word. I’m making you a better debater, by degrees.

    Happyfeet: Hmm, you’re a strange one, but I suppose mostly unobjectionable. I nominate you for blog mascot.

    Anyway, everyone enjoy our president’s speech tonight and buckle in: Reform is coming.

    Myron (e63c20)

  104. Myron, in other words, you have nothing to back up your anecdotes.

    No surprise.

    Buckle in, yourself, Myron. Tonight’s speech is the last deaththroes of Obama’s failure.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  105. So, you either refuse to answer, or cannot answer. SHOCKA.

    Why would they not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions? If you go smash your AMC Pacer into a wall, and then call up Allstate and ask for Comprehensive and Collision coverage, should they write that for you?

    JD (89af33)

  106. GWB campaigned in ’04 on revising SocSec/Medicare to ensure that they would survive and be of benefit to future generations (like those entering the work-force today). But, after the usual Progressive demogogery (The Dreaded Third-Rail struck again), the WH ran as fast as they could away from any reforms to those programs.
    So, The Moron is wrong again/still!
    Plus, the Conservative position is that there is no authority contained in the Constitution for the Federal Government to be interjecting itself into the Health-Care segment of the economy. Medical oversight has always been the purview of the States, as has Insurance Regulation.

    AD - RtR/OS! (5b5739)

  107. Tonight’s speech is the last deaththroes of Obama’s failure

    Spoken like someone who’s really interested in health care reform and not blind partisanship. 🙂

    You should run for office: You’d fit right in.

    Peace,

    Myron (e63c20)

  108. The Mark of the Troll: “Peace”

    AD - RtR/OS! (5b5739)

  109. The Eternal Leftist Conceit. Reform for reform’s sake is a good and pure endeavor, consequences be damned.

    JD (4f5e05)

  110. I find it difficult to fathom people who zealously defend the current system.

    Yeah. Me too. It’s good people like that don’t comment here.

    Also, I find it even more difficult to fathom people who want to pass a vague, poorly thought out group of non-solutions that will make the problem worse than it its now, simply because they are serving a partisan master.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  111. Also, this post was about how the Democrats not only complained, but ordered hearings when a Republican President spoke to school children.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  112. Meanwhile, Democrats do nothing about tort reform in the healthcare business, and their shills say nothing about it.

    But we get lines about “defending the current system”?

    Comedy gold.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  113. How did you guess? 🙂

    Being stupid and partisan because your opponent was once stupid and partisan is hardly leadership.

    We saw the same dynamic with Justice Roberts/Justice Sotomayor.

    I challenge Republicans to be the bigger party for once.

    Why not challenge the MSM to have fair and balanced reporting while you are at it?

    Michael Ejercito (833607)


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