NY Post: “Peeved Obama Trumps Paterson’s Race Card”
[Guest post by DRJ]
The New York Post has an interesting article on political wrangling about race between NY Gov David Paterson and the Obama White House. During an interview on WRAL talk radio, Paterson blamed his abysmal poll ratings on attacks by white-dominated media that he claims also target Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and President Obama’s health care. Paterson said the health care debate shows America is “not a postracial” society.
The response from the White House was swift:
“Aides to Obama were angered by Paterson’s tirade on liberal talk-radio station WWRL on Friday, sources said.
Paterson blamed his political woes on racially slanted coverage and predicted the president would be the next “victim” of biased media.
Obama’s team delivered a pointed message to Paterson within hours of the morning broadcast, multiple sources said.
It came in a call from White House political director Patrick Gaspard, who has deep ties to the New York political scene, to Larry Schwartz, the governor’s first deputy secretary.
Gaspard wanted to know “why [Paterson] was dragging the president into” his troubles, said one source.”
It’s not easy to lead, at any level.
— DRJ
Why are there so many racialists in the Democrat Party?
AD - RtR/OS! (12f8f2) — 8/23/2009 @ 7:12 pmPatterson responded by saying “Well, you all were accusing critics of the President, so I figured it was supposed to do…”
Gespard then said “I’m over here, Governor…”
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/23/2009 @ 7:21 pmSurprised that he talked to a Raleigh station.
Unless he imagined a forgiving nature among Southerners for adulterous governors.
steve (d85e8a) — 8/23/2009 @ 7:31 pmMaybe Paterson figured Obama would say the media was acting stupidly. Shoot, Obama did it for Gates.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/23/2009 @ 7:37 pmA little insight into Obama’a “leadership:.
Larry Sheldon (86b2e1) — 8/23/2009 @ 7:55 pmMayhap Obama has finally understood that the Dem/MSM racial demagogy is backfiring.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 8/23/2009 @ 7:58 pmOh, LOL, that phony racism attack was okay, but he just shouldn’t have involved the president!
What a bunch of creeps.
Patricia (29a01d) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:16 pmPaterson blamed his abysmal poll ratings on attacks by white-dominated media that he claims also target Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick…
As a citizen of Massachusetts, I sorely wish someone in the media would raise a voice against Deval Patrick. He is beyond inept, yet the Boston Globe and other local media give him a pass.
givemapass (806ffa) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:26 pmDamnit…
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:26 pmRace you to the race card!!
rls (e58293) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:31 pmGovernor Paterson, there only so many race cards in a deck. President Obama played a number of his during last year’s campaign and already this year. He does not appreciate you trying to drag him into a situation where he might be forced to use another card from his deck.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:38 pmHeaven forbid Governor Paterson actually experience a media not in the bag for the Democrats.
And heaven forbid, he actually consider the very distinct possibility for his political woes: he simply sucks at the job.
Dana (0f0b2e) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:52 pm“Gespard then said “I’m over here, Governor…”
Gazzer (6d46a4) — 8/23/2009 @ 8:59 pmThat’s funny, right there.
I’m also from Massachusetts and Paterson and Patrick might be number one and two as the two worst governors in the U.S.A. He doesn’t know what bias, bigotry, and racism is in today’s world; try being a white heterosexual male, taxpaying Christian conservative! We can’t do anything right, and even when we do we still eventually become a pinata and scapegoat for the media. Hey Governor Paterson, you can blame me! We’re used to it. It’s my fault!
Dave B (0fdb1a) — 8/23/2009 @ 9:06 pm#11
especially since he’s not playing with a full deck to begin with, and it appears the only other cards in it are jokers. %-)
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 8/23/2009 @ 10:27 pmObama played the race card with his pal Henry Louis Gates not long ago, so why does the governor of New York have to be any less of a nitwit?
Mark (411533) — 8/23/2009 @ 10:51 pmYeah, I guess some people, such as Henry Gates, are more worthy of a race-card party than others.
Paterson doesn’t offer The One enough street cred or something to qualify.
I’m surprised the White House got all wee-weed up about the issue — would love to get a copy of The One’s Race Card Play Guidelines.
Anonymous (45ddc4) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:13 amBlind Man Patterson would do well to remember who selected him for Lieutenant Governor, the man with the ego the size of the Empire State Building, Elion Spitzer. The last thing the ego maniac Spitzer wanted was anybody with either talent or personality who would detract from him. Think of Patterson has the Empire State’s version of Spiro Agnew.
DavidL (02e14f) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:25 am“Think of Patterson has the Empire State’s version of Spiro Agnew.”
I think of him as the Empire States version of Joe Biden!
lonetown (d7ec3b) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:39 amHe is beyond inept, yet the Boston Globe and other local media give him a pass.
Comment by givemapass — 8/23/2009 @ 8:26 pm
The racism of lowered expectations.
RickZ (c06fbc) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:42 amObama to Patterson: it’s okay to play the race card, just don’t drag me in.
Rich (b98823) — 8/24/2009 @ 5:08 amI wonder if they are thinking about the fact that John Conyers, whose district has to be 80% black, is now losing in the polls about re-election. Maybe there are some blacks who will vote no when the black politician is corrupt or bad enough. That has to worry Patrick and Patterson. Even Massachusetts has to have a limit to tolerance.
Mike K (2cf494) — 8/24/2009 @ 5:29 amI’m not shocked that the race card is being played like a violin by the Dems…
I’m just shocked they have adopted the early and often approach.
What will they do in 2010 and 2012? Fake lynchings? Have guys in white face show up with guns at their rallies?
the bhead (a31060) — 8/24/2009 @ 5:57 am[…] mean, I wouldn’t want to get referenced during the casual race-baiting of the Governor of New York either, but it happened. Heck, it happened to me, too – at least, in […]
Moe Lane » POTUS’s pushback/non-pushback on Paterson racism smear. (da2344) — 8/24/2009 @ 5:59 am[…] mean, I wouldn’t want to get referenced during the casual race-baiting of the Governor of New York either, but it happened. Heck, it happened to me, too – at least, in […]
POTUS’s pushback/non-pushback on Paterson racism smear. - Moe_Lane’s blog - RedState (b8f4ec) — 8/24/2009 @ 6:00 amDifficult it is for incompetents to accept responsibility.
Demonize enough people and push-back you get.
Turning myself in for racist comments I am.
Yoda (85dcd7) — 8/24/2009 @ 6:22 amUse the Force David, let it flow through you!
GM Roper (85dcd7) — 8/24/2009 @ 6:23 amThis one is kind of surreal.
JD (1255f0) — 8/24/2009 @ 6:54 amThe infantilization of the poor, picked – upon Black politico has to end in order to truly get beyond a “post – racial society.” With folks like Obama, Patterson and my own hacky – hack Burris, we’ve still got a long way to go. BTW, did anyone see the accompanying picture in the Post? The guy’s decrying “wasicm!” while partying with…Paris Hilton?
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 8/24/2009 @ 7:02 amPlaying the race card is becoming a losing proposition as it shows that their political position is indefensible.
jack (339b13) — 8/24/2009 @ 7:09 amSupercache is teh suxXor
JD (1255f0) — 8/24/2009 @ 7:10 am#16, #30, #23 and others are sort of on – but if I remember from my days of playing spades – uhno I said spades – you don’t trump the 3 with the Ace – thats all Obama is saying – if you’re going to pick up the trick don’t waste your high cards – as I remember team spades is a tricky game and when not played correctly leads to losing quickly.
bandit (36701c) — 8/24/2009 @ 7:34 amI guess they ran out of race cards before Ken Gladney was beaten.
Patricia (29a01d) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:07 amPaterson’s a loser. His first mistake was wasting the Hillary/Robert Kennedy seat on Gillibrand. Cuomo will kick his can.
In other news, I see that some of you couldn’t resist rehashing the Gates arrest. That’s not predictable at all.
I like how some of you supposed “conservatives” support police arresting a man at his own home for running his mouth. I thought you were worried about government takeover (re: health care)?
I guess certain kinds of government intrusion are OK — Teri Schiavo, Gates arrest, etc. — as long as you agree with the reasons for the intrusion.
Why must people be so small?
Big ideas should transcend party lines and petty racial bickering. Either you support property rights or you don’t — no matter the race of the property owner, or the race of the person who impinges on those rights.
Reverse the race of Gates and Crowley, and some of you would switch sides in the debate. But my opinion would not change.
There’s a reason the charges against Gates were dropped in less than 24 hours, and the Cambridge Police called the arrest “regrettable” and “unfortunate.”
Lastly, I would suggest more people read news stories sometimes and not the Talking Points.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:50 amUnlikely. Acting the way Skippy Gates did will usually land anyone in handcuffs.
Yeah, it’s called “Well-connected member of Harvard”.
Scott Jacobs (6aff37) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:01 amOh sweet, un-intentionally irony, how I love thee so…
Scott Jacobs (6aff37) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:02 amActually, Scott, there were two other gems in that post:
And
Wow. Simply wow. At the “Sham-Wow” level. Either this person is a cynical troll, or has the most amazing Magic Mirror at home.
Eric Blair (a88004) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:07 amI like how some of you supposed “conservatives” support police arresting a man at his own home for running his mouth. I thought you were worried about government takeover (re: health care)?
Do you know what goes on when a one-man police car requests assistance to investigate a “possible burglary in progress, check well-being of occupant”? Eight squad cars were racing to Gates’s house to possibly save his crippled, old ass, and to back up their fellow officer. Meantime, he was dusting off his only qualification for being on Harvard’s faculty — Doctorate in Being Black.
nk (c004f4) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:11 amThe Daily Show did a GREAT burn on the Gates-gate thing over just that issue…
Scott Jacobs (218307) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:19 amThe race card works with maybe 10% of the voters. The other 90% percent will say this. LINK NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
People who go to vote for their state’s well-being and their children’s future are mostly smart enough to understand when an irrelevant non-entity like Paterson tells them “it’s not because I’m a talentless hack, who lucked into the Governorship because Spitzer couldn’t keep in his pants, it’s because I don’t look like ‘all the other Presidents on the dollar bill'”.
nk (c004f4) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:24 amSomehow, Myron missed the many discussions here about the Gates case, which went well beyond the talking points. He also seems to be missing that people can separate their opinions about the wisdom of the arrest in the Gates case from the issue of whether race had anything to do with it.
Karl (f07e38) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:25 amMyron, the people have agreed that Obama handled the Gates matter terribly. He’s a race hustler. That’s part of why he’s mad that Patterson isn’t as good at race hustling… now’s the time to lay low for a while until people forget about Obama’s awful behavior.
You accuse us of racism again. You say we support Crowley only because he’s white and Gates is black. That’s asinine. You just can’t stop, can you?
Gates was being a jackass to be rude to cops trying to help him, and that’s suspicious. They suspected he was just being a jackass, but needed to make sure, so they investigated his home. When Gates interfered, they arrested him. It’s not serious enough to prosecute, but it was a lawful arrest, and Gates is a criminal.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:26 amFrom the outside looking in, the Dems in NY are a mess – even for them. And Paterson looks way out of his depth.
JEA (0ccd61) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:37 amUnlikely. Acting the way Skippy Gates did will usually land anyone in handcuffs.
Nice try,Scott Jacobs. That’s not the issue whether it will. The issue is whether it should. If you believe in property rights, the answer in the Gates case should be obvious to you. If you do not believe in personal property rights, then we have nothing further to talk about.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:50 amEric Blair: You’ve nothing to add, least of all anything that my debunk my comment. So you resort to what? Humor? If that’s what you’re calling it. Anyway, have at it.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:52 amnk: You address none of my points, but thanks for the nice imagery.
So let me make it simpler: What did Gates do to merit arrest? Talk? Yell?
I remember reading an interview that Crowley gave. Crowley said that Gates “just wouldn’t stop.” I thought, “Wouldn’t stop what? Talking?” A man can talk, even loudly, on his own property.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:54 amComment by Myron — 8/24/2009 @ 9:50 am
Amendment 4: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures…
The point is, the search of the premises, and Skippy’s arrest for “interfering with an officer performing his duties”, were not unreasonable!
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:57 amActing the way Skippy Gates did will usually land anyone in handcuffs.
Depends on where you live.
Sunburn (5d93e3) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:59 amJuan: I am saying nothing more than this:
If Gates was a white birther — in his own home — yelling racial epithets at a black officer, and that officer arrested him, and then Obama backed the arrest,I would still say the officer and the president were in the wrong.
I honestly don’t believe many people here could say same. They would be calling Obama a jack-booted thug.
Sometimes, thinking people turn off the partisanship. Too many people on both sides are unable to do so.
And the people have not “agreed” to what you think they agreed to. I saw Obama criticized for using the word “stupidly” more than anything else. The president never backed off his central point that the arrest was not warranted, nor should he have.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 9:59 amSo let me make it simpler: What did Gates do to merit arrest? Talk? Yell?
Yes. He made it difficult for the police to just turn their backs on him or just go away and leave him there while the froth in his mouth increased and he went and burned down his neighbor’s house. In other words, he did not behave like a person you would trust with other people around.
So the police, to be safe, and for the safety of the other people who live in the neighborhood, instead of hitting him over the head with the barrel of their .44, as they would have done 50 years ago, took him to the station where lawyers and a judge could sort it out.
nk (c004f4) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:05 amAD: Either you didn’t read up on this case, or you’re just making stuff up. The search was over and done when the arrest was made. Read up and try again.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:07 amBarack Obama is a lot over having to represent all the time. He for real believes he’s a transcendent figure and if you tar him up with negritude he feels diminished. I don’t know why… I didn’t make up his mythologies. You might could ask the media what that’s all about.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:08 amJesus, nk — what the hell are you doing bringing that n*&!*% crap in here? I can’t believe I clicked on that.
You’re a sorry excuse for a Christian, if you are one, and the reason people get mad when I call myself a conservative and a patriot.
/relurk
Tom (d0b474) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:12 amMyron, I am not happy either that our police behave like town tamers in the Kansas City cow towns. But that has been going on for a long time now and it’s because we have given them that authority so we can watch American Idol in peace.
nk (c004f4) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:16 am*rolls his eyes*
If you can’t laugh at Blazing Saddles, you really should just lock yourself in your room and never, ever come out again…
Scott Jacobs (6aff37) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:16 amOK, nk. Thanks for the fuller explanation. Let me address this point:
He made it difficult for the police to just turn their backs on him or just go away
Say what? Gates, who walks with a cane, was not restraining anyone. All they had to do was walk away. The search was done, the premises were secure. All they had left was a loud-mouth accusing them of being a racist, which is his right.
If Gates had laid one finger on him — one pinkie — I think the arrest could have been justified. But he didn’t.
What’s irritating about this case is that officers walk away from loud-mouths and people who try to provoke them all the time, and this incident gave yet another public impression that they act out of emotion and are quick to slap the cuffs on somebody who is smart-mouthing them. That is a media-popularized MYTH.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:17 amBTW, I should add I think the officers acted properly up until the arrest. They responded in the way police are supposed to respond and helped protect the neighborhood, Gates’ own neighborhood (which in fact, had been victimized by recent break-ins).
But there was no cause to arrest the man.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:19 amJesus, nk — what the hell are you doing bringing that n*&!*% crap in here? I can’t believe I clicked on that.
You’re a sorry excuse for a Christian, if you are one, and the reason people get mad when I call myself a conservative and a patriot.
/relurk
Comment by Tom — 8/24/2009 @ 10:12 am
That was from a movie called “Blazing Saddles”, Tom. It made fun of a lot of things including racism. It was made by Mel Brooks, who is definitely not a Christian. He’s a Jew. You know, “those people” will do anything for a dollar.
nk (c004f4) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:20 amMyron,
You rarely, if ever, call people racist directly. It makes it easy to feign surprise and offense when called on it. It doesn’t work though. By saying that people would respond differently if the races were reversed you’re calling them racists. I wish you would let go of the stereotypes you learned long ago and understand that we don’t want race to matter in anything… jobs, law enforcement, education, or anything else. It shouldn’t matter.
As far as Professor Gates being arrested, the charges being dropped does not mean he was in the right. There are many reasons not to pursue a trial, not the least of which is the mere arrest solved the immediate problem and further prosecution will not advance the interests of anyone involved.
If Professor Gates was white, had acted like an ass in public, on his own property, in response to police officers trying their best to help and do their job in good faith, I would not object to the arrest. His race doesn’t matter. He wasn’t in his own home, he was on his property out in public and creating a disturbance. The arrest put a stop to the disturbance and was in no way racially motivated.
If I am on my property and decide to play music loud enough to be heard three blocks away, refuse to stop when told to by the police, and generally act like a fool, should I be immune from arrest because of some flawed idea you have of what property rights are? Even more, if the police are called into my neighborhood for something else and I begin to play that loud music after they arrive, aren’t I inviting arrest?
Stop calling people racist when it’s just not true. When someone comes here and spouts some racist BS, it’s usually a drive-by (and probably a Moby) who is quickly and soundly criticized. People are not racist until proven innocent except for someone like yourself. The sad thing is, they can never prove themselves innocent because you will always, every time, say that getting defensive about it proves at least unconscious racism. It definitely says more about you than anyone else here.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:22 amI dunno. I think Gates sealed it when he brought the cops mom into it.
Seriously, that NEVER ends well.
Scott Jacobs (6aff37) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:27 amGates, I repeat, was arrested for “interferring with an officer” (you do not have to be physical to be interferring – the same thing happened here in SoCal with a minority city councilman who represented himself as the lawyer for the subject of an investigation, and who refused to disengage with the officers when told to do so, so he too got the bracelets); that Gates was not charged in court was entirely political, and it will be a lesson that will be lost on him.
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:37 amAD,
The arrest for was Disorderly Conduct, not interference (which may have been appropriate also).
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:46 am“That was from a movie called “Blazing Saddles”, Tom. It made fun of a lot of things including racism. It was made by Mel Brooks, who is definitely not a Christian. He’s a Jew. You know, “those people” will do anything for a dollar.”
I’m not talking about Mel Brooks or what he said, I’m talking about you, what YOU said, and what you meant. I wish you’d take responsibility for yourself — no, actually, I wish there was a third political party I could join so I don’t have to share yours.
Stashiu3, do you consider nk a drive-by or a moby? Because n*&*!@ing up the conversation is making it hard for me to get the President out of office.
Tom (d0b474) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:47 amHoly ass of Moses, man…
“Lighten up, Francis.”
Buddy, if we have to rely on you to do that, we are all well and truly fucked.
Scott Jacobs (218307) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:55 amNo, I consider him someone I occasionally disagree with, usually agree with, and has a blunt sense of humor that I understand but would rarely use myself… unlike yourself who apparently has no sense of humor. I mean really, Blazing Saddles? How you can take that as anything but making fun of political correctness taken to absurd levels shows that you are just looking for a reason to be upset. He even gave a content warning, what more evidence do you want? Ever seen Chris Rock’s “How Not To Get Stopped By The Police”? Find it uncomfortable?
nk is not a racist, so get over it and maybe you’ll get his point.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:57 amAlso “Tom”, you do know that sock-puppeting is against the rules here, don’t you? Pick a name and stick with it.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:00 amStashiu3, do you consider nk a drive-by or a moby? Because n*&*!@ing up the conversation is making it hard for me to get the President out of office.
Comment by Tom — 8/24/2009 @ 10:47 am
Tom, you are the drive-by Moby. I have been commenting here since 2005. You would know that, “lurker”, were this not your new assignment from DailyKos. Or is it Gleen Ellersburg?
nk (c004f4) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:03 amRACISTS !!!!
Good Allah, Myron’s mendacity never ceases.
JD (0d395c) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:07 amI’m not calling you a moby, nk, I’ve seen your posts. I’m just saying that the nigger thing and now the Jew thing are counterproductive when I’m trying to read real news about people playing the race card.
Y’all can say it’s some kind of send-up of political correctness — which is the sort of thing that I’m actually here for — but the way I read nk’s post is that 90% of Americans would end this debate by yelling nigger. That’s supposed to be an amusing exaggeration — I get it — but it basically comes down to someone trolling the debate over racial equality (real racial equality, for whites and blacks) with ‘heh heh nigger’. I hope this is what Stashiu means when he says he ‘doesn’t always agree’ with nk.
Tom (d0b474) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:30 amFirst off, if that’s how you read it, you fail at reading.
Second, you take EVERY opportunity to write the n-word. I mean, that comment alone had you using the word 3 times, none of which you actually needed to use.
Scott Jacobs (6aff37) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:40 amHope away, but I don’t have a problem with nk on this because I understand what he was doing. So, we can assume you’re sticking with “Tom” now?
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:40 amWell, for today, at least…
Scott Jacobs (6aff37) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:43 amScott,
“Tom” is a progressive using another ID, which makes him a Moby and a sock-puppet in my book. However, if he sticks to one name from this point, it will probably be tolerated. He shouldn’t be using that language while pretending to be conservative though (or at all really, but he won’t understand that).
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:44 amWait, I can’t say it but nk can? Or more weirdly, Mel Brooks can but neither nk nor I can?
You guys are crazy!
Tom (d0b474) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:51 amTom is a dork. Paterson is a whiny bitch loser. A quintessential American in Barack Obama’s America.
I know.
I don’t have anything nice to say I’m gonna have another cup of coffee.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:55 amYou sir, are no Mel Brooks.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 11:56 amThat was actually pretty funny.
Tom (d0b474) — 8/24/2009 @ 12:05 pmComment by Stashiu3 — 8/24/2009 @ 11:56 am
I know it’s not completely accurate, but for the comedic effect, you neglected to include:
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 12:22 pmI know Mel Brooks,
Mel Brooks is a friend of mine, and …..
Stash – “Tom” shows up usually in the “wingerz are racist” threads.
JD (d3f3ab) — 8/24/2009 @ 12:23 pmDifferent sock JD, but just as smelly.
AD, I knew that and wanted to avoid the accusation of dishonesty. He got the point. 😉
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 12:26 pmWell, I would have just put it in quotes.
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 12:46 pmEven when the good Senator from Texas dropped that turd into the Vice-Presidential punch-bowl, I liked the line…though it was a non-responsive response to a valid point that Dan Quayle had made.
Tom, anyone who posts that word here multiple times has already lost their argument, not that you ever had one in the first place. Now go back to your KosHole and come back with more updated Talking Points.
BTW, why does anyone bother to respond to Moron anymore? He’s demonstrated abundantly that he never comes here for honest debate, only TrollBotting. And some mighty bad Trollbotting, at that.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 8/24/2009 @ 1:34 pmWhy, Dmac! Myron is the Voice of Calm Reason™, who is never partisan and never insults! He is judicious and bipartisan!
Didn’t you get the memo?
Eric Blair (0b61b2) — 8/24/2009 @ 1:50 pmOh Boy, EB is having delusions again (sarc).
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:12 pm… we have given them that authority so we can watch American Idol in peace.
I agree with this.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:24 pmRaCiStS !!!!
JD (3f1cb1) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:32 pmStashiu, addressing your points:
” had acted like an ass in public ..”
He was not charged with disturbing the peace. Therefore, this is not relevant to this situation. He was charged with the dubious, catch-all “disorderly conduct.”
“… in response to police officers trying their best to help and do their job in good faith, I would not object to the arrest.”
You SHOULD object to the arrest, b/c Gates did nothing I can see as illegal. The “good faith” of the officers is not relevant in this case.
His race doesn’t matter.
As far as the initial incident, I mostly agree with you. I think this was more about two men refusing to back down and both wanting what they felt was their due respect. There is little in Crowley’s background that would suggest he would treat someone unfairly based on race. Just the opposite in fact: He educated other officers on issues of racial profiling. Ironically, that might make him uniquely susceptible to what he would see as a very unfair charge of being called a racist.
Still doesn’t justify the arrest. We all get our feelings hurt, sometimes.
But I continue to believe that “race matters” when people view this through their own lenses. Some people, anyway.
He wasn’t in his own home, he was on his property out in public and creating a disturbance.
You’re stretching. An officer could use this standard to put a chill on any speech, someone talking loudly on his property. Also, Gates and the officer have conflicting accounts on whether the professor was yelling.
The arrest put a stop to the disturbance and was in no way racially motivated.
Of course, you don’t know that, any more than I do (thought I might agree with you on this point.) Your opinion has no more relevance than someone who thinks otherwise.
If I am on my property and decide to play music loud enough to be heard three blocks away, refuse to stop when told to by the police, and generally act like a fool, should I be immune from arrest because of some flawed idea you have of what property rights are?
I don’t know. But Gates was not playing music, so this is not relevant. Some cities do have noise ordinances. Gates was not charged with violating those.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:37 pmI think Gates sealed it when he brought the cops mom into it.
Ha, all legal issues aside,I agree. Crowley is a human being, and few dudes are going to act without emotion when their mom is brought into it. Gates was trying to get a reaction and he got one.
That’s what struck me about this whole incident, from Gates to Crowley to Obama, everyone over-reacted. I just think it’s more nuanced than “Obama backs Gates b/c he’s black” which is what some of the comments have implied by saying it was a case of the president playing the race card.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:40 pmGates, I repeat, was arrested for “interferring with an officer”
AD: The house had been checked and was secure when the situation came to a head. No interference.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:42 pmEric Blair: I noticed you still have said nothing of substance on this topic.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:46 pmI have noticed, btw, that people who talk constantly of “trolls,” “mobys” and “sock puppets” usually fall back on those trite insults b/c they cannot defend or competently advocate points.
It’s weak. It’s like someone who curses all the time b/c they don’t know many words.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2009 @ 2:49 pmComment by Myron — 8/24/2009 @ 2:42 pm
Well, since I was incorrect in asserting that Skippy had been arrested for “interference”, when in fact he had been arrested for “disorderly conduct”, your rejoinder is not germane, but Skippy was interferring with the officers since he was still trying to “get in their face” while they (appearantly) were attempting to dis-engage. And, since this was late at night, and I’ll venture to say at a fairly high decible level in a public place, he was at least “disturbing the peace”, which can be considered a “disorderly conduct”.
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:09 pmBut, I don’t think the “your Momma’s” had anything to do with his arrest.
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:12 pmI believe that he entered upon that slippery slope when he uttered those immortal words:
Do you know who I am (or words to that affect).
Myron, I wasn’t being insulting or guessing with Tom, so what you think you’ve noticed is wrong. I agree it would be different if I just tossed it out there without being sure. That’s not the case. Wouldn’t you agree that someone who has vehemently advocated a progressive cause under one name and then pretended to be a conservative under another is both a Moby and a sock-puppet?
You’ve also decided that what you don’t agree with is not relevant. So be it. You really should stop calling people racists though, even if you can’t bring yourself to believe it.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:19 pm“You SHOULD object to the arrest, b/c Gates did nothing I can see as illegal.”
Myron – Are you a lawyer and a constitutional scholar? I have not seen you claim to be so your claim that you can’t see Gates doing anything illegal carries zero weight based on your track record here.
Your ludicrous claim of a 4th Amendment violation was debunked shortly after the event occurred and even the lunatic libertarians gave up arguing that angle based on established precedent and police procedure.
I suggest you read the arrest report and the applicaple Massachusetts statute which curiously seem to parallel each other. They apparently hire smart police in Cambridge. Then I suggest you flush your head in the toilet to cool down and out of embarrassment for wasting everybody’s time here on a topic which was settled a month ago.
Zoe Baird (718861) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:35 pmZoe was me.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:36 pmMyron – Why do you hate black people?
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:38 pmMyron is a
AD - RtR/OS! (cbe8a1) — 8/24/2009 @ 3:52 pmDemocratProgressive, that’s why.I have noticed, btw, that people who talk constantly of “trolls,” “mobys” and “sock puppets” usually fall back on those trite insults b/c they cannot defend or competently advocate points.
Said by the Troll who’s called the commenters on this site “wacists!” on at least three separate threads. Talk to the douche at your own peril, you’ll get nothing of substance in return.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:01 pmIf Myron has a problem with the disorderly conduct statute, he should take it up with the appropriate governmental entity in MA.
I love how Myron likes to try to act like he is above the fray, while insinuating that everyone else is racist. He does not have the stones to come out and say it. Chicken-racist-caller.
JD (42a8c3) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:03 pmMyron has pulled the oldest liberal trick in the book: redirect from the topic. I still haven’t seen any evidence offered by Myron to back up the claims by Paterson that the media is biased against him because of his race. Instead he distracts us by bringing up something that has already been hashed out. If anything, Paterson is the racist by throwing out the accusation without any facts backing up the claim, and expecting no questions from those he accuses, which is exactly what happened.
Piping Plover (53eae9) — 8/24/2009 @ 4:47 pmI concur that 90% of white conservatives see no problem with dropping n-bombs in threads and then trying to back out of it with “see, it was only a joke!!” This thread about proves it.
And that is why over half the country voted against the white conservative candidate last year. The election, um, last year proved THAT.
To cite another Mel Brooks classic – “keep firing, a$$holes!”
David Ross (3f9a71) — 8/24/2009 @ 5:58 pmAD: You are also incorrect about the time of day of the incident, again suggesting that you’re not even familiar with some of the basic facts of what we’re talking about. The officer responded to the incident around 12:44 p.m. in the afternoon.
I’m going to leave off commenting on your remarks, if that’s OK.
Meanwhile, if you want to maybe weigh in on this subject in the future, here’s the Smoking Gun link to the police report, just to get you started.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:10 pmStashiu: When I have “pretended to be a conservative”?
Are you assuming that anyone who comments on a conservative blog is masquerading as a conservative?
Unlike some, I actually sometimes tune in on what the other side is saying.
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:13 pmJD: The Cambridge prosecutor dropped the charge. So he or she might have a problem with the “disorderly conduct statute,” too.
Or let me suggest that he concluded — and I can concur — that the charge simply had no merit?
Myron (ba9235) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:16 pmNot you Myron, sorry if that was unclear. “Tom” is the sock-puppet/Moby. There is no doubt in my mind that you comment as yourself consistently. I apologize if it appeared otherwise.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:16 pmI concur that 90% of white conservatives see no problem with dropping n-bombs in threads and then trying to back out of it with “see, it was only a joke!!”
Who said it was a joke? I don’t like being called a racist anymore than you like being called an n-word. So up yours, _____!
nk (b17d90) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:23 pmPeople went over, at length, why an arrest can be legitimate, but a prosecutor would choose to not proceed, Myron. Hell, even a couple prosecutors around here explained it. Kudos on your “look, something shiny” diversion.
That Ross-thingie must be a parody. Well done.
JD (19728f) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:29 pmSee, Myron, this Ross person at least has the stones to come out and make his ridiculous claims. You, on the other hand, like to be coy, toss it out there, and act like you didn’t.
Chicken-race-baiter
JD (19728f) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:31 pmI concur that 90% of white conservatives see no problem with dropping n-bombs in threads and then trying to back out of it with “see, it was only a joke!!” This thread about proves it.
The very fact you raise the lame canard about the “n” word being the motivating force behind a political discussion — instead of legitimate, non-racial liberal versus conservative sentiments — merely proves you’re projecting your own deep-seated bigotry (or I’ll label it “racial insensitivities”) onto others.
You’re one of those “progressives” who I immediately think of when I muse that if 90% of black America suddenly became truly centrist to rightwing instead of 90% leftwing/Democrat, you’d start pining for the days before civil-rights marches, school desegregation, fair-housing laws and diversity in the workplace.
Mark (411533) — 8/24/2009 @ 8:31 pmI haven’t commented here in quite some time, due in part to circumstances beyond my control. But some fools here have given me the urge to provide a link to The Democrat Race Lie. The link is to the originator; however, I duplicated it on my site with written permission of the black man who originated the article.
Any libturd who throws out the claim, willy-nilly that “90 percent of white conservatives” are hunky-dory with usage of the “n” word is not only exhibiting blatant racism but also adamantly demanding his/her right to be arrogantly ignorant of the facts. Need I remind you that Sen. Byrd (D-WV), the one who single-handedly paved all of WV on the tax money of residents of the other 49 states and various US territories, was a Grand Kleagle of the KKK?
Need I also remind you of my experience on “Sadly, No!” where those “all-inclusive” libturd extremists agreed any black person who was a conservative was a race traitor?
The only people, now and over the past 40 years in my experience, who have used the race card have been libturds. Conservatives don’t care about race. In fact, there are some conservatives who don’t believe in the concept of “race,” and I am one of them. All people can trace their lineage back to four men, a father and three sons. Since all people can trace their lineage back to a single family, there are no races other than that of that single family.
As far as the n-bomb goes, it is perfectly acceptable if you have the appropriate amount of melanin but unacceptable if you lack enough melanin, or so it goes in certain limited circles of melanin-enriched people.
Please do research my own blog, which I haven’t updated in eons due to the aforementioned circumstances beyond my control, for my views on race and other matters if you are new enough to not know any of my background.
Signed, a proud grandparent of a red-boned fetus.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:08 pmWelcome back stranger!
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:16 pmThanks, but I’m not necessarily “back.” I’m borrowing a zero-bar wifi access from a neighbor 2 blocks down the street who gave me unintentional after-the-fact permission to borrow his wifi since my provider cut me off due to lack of payment. At least I no longer get calls from my creditors, since my internet provider was also my cable and telephone provider. 😉
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 8/24/2009 @ 10:34 pmPerhaps Myron should watch a few episodes of “Cops”. Might learn a thing or two.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 8/25/2009 @ 5:26 pm