Labeling Health Care Opponents (Updated x2)
[Guest post by DRJ]
It didn’t work to label health care opponents as racists so now the media is suggesting opponents of ObamaCare are ignorant.
It’s 2008 all over again. Just more bitter, clingy and frustrated Americans trying to stop Barack Obama.
UPDATE 1: MSNBC won’t give up on the racist meme, even if the facts don’t fit. H/T redc1c4.
UPDATE 2 — Opponents are sinners now, too:
“In a conference call with liberal and progressive religious leaders Wednesday afternoon, President Obama railed against those who were “bearing false witness” in the debate over health care reform.
“I know there’s been a lot of misinformation in this debate, and there are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness, but I want everyone to know what health insurance reform is all about,” the president said.
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor,” is, of course, one of the Ten Commandments. (It’s the 9th Commandment in all religions except for the Catholic and Lutheran traditions, in which it’s the 8th.)”
— DRJ
the MFM has zero room to talk…..
MSNBC edits photo to hide race of person; blames whitey.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 8/19/2009 @ 8:29 pmThanks, redc1c4. I’ve updated the post to add your link.
DRJ (d8773e) — 8/19/2009 @ 8:49 pm[…] More on this trumped up racism at Patterico’s […]
Gazzer’s Gabfest » Wow, it’s come to this… (b98ad6) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:03 pmI make it a point to watch MSNBC as often as possible. This kind of overt and aggressive dishonesty is not the least bit surprising.
Hell, Chris Mathews still claims racism drives all opposition to Teh One.
JD (7a2548) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:08 pmThe frustration that’s causing all the problems for the Democrats is fairly easy to define.
You have a President who has promised a reform in health care, but he leaves it to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to design.
When something regurgitates from the hallowed halls of Congress, it is an amorphous glob of something that no one can understand, much less defend.
Then, the President tries to defend it. And despite his warm persona and glib manner, people remain unclear as to what it it means to them.
And he can’t really respond, because the hot points of the legislation are antithetical to what most Americans believe is the role of the government.
What all these “tea-baggers,” “Nazis,” “mobs,” “gun-toting,” “evil” people want to know is one thing: What does this health-care reform mean to me?
And, so far, no one has given a clear answer.
There’s a reason for that.
Ag80 (9ddd74) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:10 pmVal-u-Rite for all hands!…..
(i stole the link from AoSHQ. %-)
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:10 pmahhh. This is where they lay the P-touch on you and drag you into the bushes.
happyfeet (d8cd81) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:16 pmthat’s because the FCC won’t allow the MFM to broadcast the words “You’re fu*ked” during prime time…. %-)
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:19 pmThe Obamaphiles have gone into desperation mode to try and salvage their awful plans. Check out this op-ed piece in today’s Dog Trainer written by the Dean of the Stanford Medical School. Let’s see: use of the straw man argument that Gingrich (and by extension Republicans) don’t want “reform”? Check. Unwillingness to address the crux of Gingrich’s argument (namely that Obamacare shifts the decision-making responsibilities from the individual to the state)? Check. Pouty umbrage that the words of Ezeikel Emmanuel are being “taken out of context,” even though it has been pretty much established that Emmanuel meant exactly what his opponents accuse him of meaning? Check.
It goes to show that a bigwig at a prestigious school is not above a Krugmanesque use of his office to opine on matters of which he likely has very little knowledge. According to Dr. Pizzo’s school profile his background is as a pediatrician, but I don’t see anything in his c.v. which leads me to believe he knows the first thing about health care economics. But based upon liberal logic, any academic is highly qualified to opine on any subject so long as he parrots the liberal viewpoint.
JVW (111cb0) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:26 pmsee I agree with redc1c4. Too many of you Americans don’t seem to have any real appreciation of how much degradation your little country has already suffered at the hands of your dirty socialist media like the Newsweek and the NPR and their dirty socialist hood rat muppet and his teleprompter, much less how effed up you’ll be if they accomplish a tenth of their thugly dirty socialist schemes. Y’all need to wake up cause you look retarded and clueless a lot of you.
A two trillion dollar deficit?
You’re kidding.
What a bunch of losers.
No you can’t sit with me at lunch so don’t ask.
happyfeet (d8cd81) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:29 pm“It didn’t work to label health care opponents as racists ”
And they like to say ‘heil hitler’ to israelis.
imdw (603c39) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:29 pm“so now the media is suggesting opponents of ObamaCare are ignorant.”
suggesting? They’re making stuff up!
imdw (603c39) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:31 pmWhat is your position on what MSNBC did, imdw?
JD (7a2548) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:40 pm[…] is truly amazing, from Newsbusters via Hot Air (also picked up by DRJ briefly below). Watch this video, at least through :40. It’s an MSNBC clip showing a man with an assault […]
Patterico’s Pontifications » MSNBC: Guys Carrying Guns to Rallies Are Racists, Especially This Guy Whose Skin Color We Will Now Proceed to Hide from Your View (e4ab32) — 8/19/2009 @ 9:56 pmI think it’s a winning strategy to call the 85% of Americans who are happy with their health care ignorant, racist, unpatriotic, obstructionist losers. Thanks Nancy, Harry and Barry.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/19/2009 @ 10:11 pm“THE FACTS: Obama is not proposing a single-payer system in which the government covers everyone, like in Canada or some European countries.”–An AP hack.
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program…I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”–Barack Obama
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/june/barack_obama_on_sing.php
To me it seems pretty obvious that the goal of liberals like Mr. Obama is to force all of us onto a government controlled health care system. All at once, if they can pull it off…a little bit at a tim if they can’t get it done in one fell swoop.
Dave Surls (0cb0c0) — 8/19/2009 @ 10:34 pmI’ve updated the post. Obama and the media are running out of bad things to say about the health care opponents.
DRJ (d8773e) — 8/19/2009 @ 11:30 pmDear DRJ: I have been wondering about how one squares broken campaign promises with “bearing false witness.”
Just wondering. I mean, since I am bitter clinging sinner and all.
Eric Blair (76bb2a) — 8/20/2009 @ 12:02 amActually, I kind of wonder about the President’s thoughts about “bearing false witness” when it comes to Reverend Wright’s accusation that HIV was developed in American laboratories to kill African Americans.
But then, I wonder too much, I’m guessing. Who knew that religious dogma could be used as a partisan tool? Except, of course, for those bitter clinging types like me.
Eric Blair (76bb2a) — 8/20/2009 @ 12:05 amA-damn-mazing. Obuma complaining about someone bearing false witness. The man has balls I’ll give him that. Cut cost? Develop competition?
krusher (5ed94c) — 8/20/2009 @ 3:03 amWhat a crock.
““I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program”
Is it so hard for people to notice that this is not what is being proposed now, is not what is in any of this legislation, is not what the president is demanding be passed, and is not what will even be passed for him to sign?
imdw (017d51) — 8/20/2009 @ 5:08 amTeh One was apparently pretty full of himself yesterday. Can you imagine if Bush had used the Ten Commandments to call people sinners that disagreed with him? EEK! Theocracy! He also told a group of rabbis that we are God’s partner in matters of life and death. I thought this kind of stuff was above his pay grade.
JD (0d131e) — 8/20/2009 @ 5:12 amHell yeah it’s hard to notice that.
While Obama’s friends scoff at the notion that the current efforts are meant to lead to single payer, Obama has promised to pursue single payer and many of the people involved with creating this bill have promised that single payer is the true goal.
They are trying to please everyone at the same time by saying one thing to leftists and another to the general public, and that’s why it’s hard to believe what they are saying at any specific point in time.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/20/2009 @ 5:30 amIf Obama and the left really believed that a gov’t plan would increase competition and “keep the insurance companies honest”, why wouldn’t they just start a gov’t insurance plan and offer that to the uninsured?
Instead, they are creating a “public option” and then regulating the hell out of insurance companies to make sure that the insurance companies cannot compete and will eventually go out of business.
So, it is correct to say that “single payer” is not explicitly included in the proposed bills. It is, however, entirely dishonest to claim that single payer is not what the bill is designed to lead to by bankrupting the private insurance companies and leaving only the “public option”.
You cannot claim you are simply adding more competition into the market at the same time you are using the Gov’t power to add shackles and lead weights to the competition – all while the public option will never have to actually compete as it will be fully subsidized by taxpayer dollars and will therefore never have to be successful or efficient or self-sustaining.
Monkeytoe (e66874) — 8/20/2009 @ 5:42 amWhat a liar…guess this shoots down his “we are not a Christian nation” comment.
lulu (4e0dda) — 8/20/2009 @ 5:43 am“bearing false witness”…???
“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” Sarah Palin
“There is some fear because in the House bill, there is counseling for end-of-life. We should not have a government program that determines if you’re going to pull the plug on grandma.”
Chuck Grassley R from Iowa
I call that lying and fear mongering but I guess thats ok if you think you are dealing with President HUSSEIN the black man that hates whites.
This is basically the same thing that was said about Medicare by the likes of Ronald Reagan who said Medicare would mean the end of freedom.
Now combine that with Obama being described as Hitler, swastikas openly displayed, comparisons made to Pol Pots murders, charges that this is a government take over of medicine, that Obama is an angry black man intent on reparations, that he hates America, that he is not a citizen, that he pals around with terrorists, that he wants the US to fail.. The encouragement of shouting and disrupting of town hall meetings, the display of guns..
Well you see the hateful, delusional face of what is now the right wing Conservative movement. But you don’t really care do you? Long as Obama is defeated doesn’t matter if you later go broke on medical bills.
Yes you may defeat this health care insurance program and the insurance companies will continue to raise their premiums and CEOs make millions of dollars in salaries at your expense laughing at you as they should. Let them take your monthly premiums and then drop you when you get sick or find some reason not to pay because that increases their bottom line.
Well enjoy it if this is what you want.
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 8/20/2009 @ 8:20 amVEV, that’s quite a rant. Lots of accusations.
You seem to have a problem with people making millions of dollars in health care. I think that’s the real dispute at the heart of the issue. Another dispute is how much control the government should have over our lives.
You’re too busy trying to find something to be offended by to argue for anything, so it’s hard to care what you have to say. Pelosi is the one who brought swastikas into this. Obama is the one who started talking about denying hips to grandma (death panels). You can pretend it’s offensive to point that out. I guess that’s easier for you than arguing the merits of Obama’s position, whatever it might be today.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/20/2009 @ 8:38 amYes you may defeat this health care insurance program
By any means necessary.
Official Internet Data Office (61543d) — 8/20/2009 @ 8:42 amNow combine that with Obama being described as
Yeah, b/c we did not endure 8 years of ALL libereals doing this, include Pelosi, Reid and most of the other dem members of congress.
This IS an attempt for gov’t to take over the health care system. Anyone who understands economics and business understands this. It is the muddle-headed that think that this “health care reform” would somehow be good for anyone.
Obama is lying about what is and is not in the bill, he is lying about what the goals of the bill are, he is lying about how much the bill will costs, he is lying about people being able to keep their current insurance for more than 1 year after the bill goes into effect, he is lying about quality of care not going down, he is lying about not rationing care.
I love how you libs hate anyone making money for anything. Every time one of you gets on and starts throwing rhetorical bombs at “fat cat ceos” who “laugh their way to the bank”, I know I am dealing with a marxist who has not one iota of understanding of economics or capitalism, and believes that the gov’t can simply wave a magic wand over everything and make it better.
And, I don’t believe you served in vietnam. Oldest lefty troll trick in the book. Call yourself a veteran or a conservative or an independent in an attempt to gain some credibility for your leftist rants.
monkeytoe (e66874) — 8/20/2009 @ 8:48 amVEV has never claimed to have been in Vietnam, just (IIRC) Manila during 3 years of service in that era. He’s also never said whether he completed his entire enlistment. Too bad he has apparently come off his meds again and returned here. As his blood levels decline, he will tangent off on the evils of President Bush, lies about WMD, war for oil, and every other leftist trope you can imagine. Ignore him.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 8/20/2009 @ 8:58 amYeah, that’s what ‘Vietnam Era Vet’ means… that he served during the time of the war, but didn’t actually get there. I respect him and thank him for his service (and I bet he did serve). I don’t care if he didn’t do a good job… as long as he served honorably I respect it.
But Monkeytoe has a great point… Why would someone concerned with decorum start complaining now, when things were far worse towards Bush? Many of the people complaining about Obama’s treatment would happily treat Sarah Palin or W to ten times worse.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/20/2009 @ 9:04 amHe also thinks that Swift Boat duty (Sen Kerry) was terribly rough.
My father (an actual Vietnam Vet) informs me that mothers would have been sold and children ransomed by soldiers wanted SB duty.
But such is the quisling mind of the insane…
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/20/2009 @ 9:13 amYou keep missing the point that the people sporting the Obama w/ Hitler-stache and swastikas are, almost to the man, neither Republicans nor Conservatives.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/20/2009 @ 9:15 amExcept for himself. He is allowed to say we will insure more people for less money.
This is because when liberals lie its “framing” or “strategy”. Only liberals have this power though, for anyone else 2+2=4. For teh annointed liberals, 2+2= whatever is necessary for promoting said liberal cause.
anon (232606) — 8/20/2009 @ 10:15 amObama voters didn’t know that the Dems had control of Congress from 2007 on. How many now don’t understand why seniors are protesting, not knowing about the roughly $50 billion a year in Medicare cuts?
An Obama supporting friend watched all of Obama’s nationally covered speeches, townhalls, and press conferences and insisted I was wrong about the Medicare cuts. I had to google it but he still couldn’t grasp it until I admitted to being a racist. Then it seemed to make sense to him, despite the fact that I’ve been in mixed race marriage for 12 years.
EBJ (2fd7f7) — 8/20/2009 @ 1:17 pm“They are trying to please everyone at the same time by saying one thing to leftists and another to the general public, ”
There’s debate over whether the public option will be included. In that environment, you really think single payer would pass congress?
imdw (f2050c) — 8/20/2009 @ 6:26 pmNo, there isn’t, at least not from the White House. President Obama has said he wants it in there. It was confirmed just today, in fact.
Tomorrow, however, it will be said again by some other person at the White House that it isn’t essential, or that it isn’t required, and luckily for Liberals it won’t matter, for tomorrow will be a new day where history starts anew.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/20/2009 @ 6:50 pm“No, there isn’t, at least not from the White House. President Obama has said he wants it in there. It was confirmed just today, in fact.”
Over the weekend there was debate over whether the white house would be demanding this. Of course, just because he says he wants it in there, doesn’t mean that this is what passes congress. This is how i mean there is ‘debate’ over this. Because we still don’t know what will come out of senate finance.
imdw (b62539) — 8/20/2009 @ 7:35 pmYes I do. I do not think our congress functions correctly, and many accidental or hidden laws are passed before congress knows what the hell they just did.
Worse, I think the health care ‘reform’ is designed to self destruct our health care system to the point where a ‘crisis’ exists that must be fixed with some magical solution that gives the democrats tons of power and dependent voters (single payer). That is, after all, what the community reinvestment act did.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/20/2009 @ 7:38 pm