Obama To Tackle Immigration Reform Next Year
[Guest post by DRJ]
In Mexico today at the North American summit of the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the U.S., Obama promised to pursue immigration reform:
“President Barack Obama said Monday he expects to have a draft immigration bill in Congress by year’s end — but that lawmakers wouldn’t begin to seriously debate the issue until next year.”
It’s not surprising that immigration would come up at a North American summit but I don’t look forward to more of the great immigration debate.
It strikes me that Obama has gone from being very proactive to very reactive. He just can’t seem to shake off campaign mode and start governing. Could it be because of his weakening poll numbers? Whatever the cause, it’s getting harder for Obama to convince Americans to follow his lead.
— DRJ
Immigration gives the blue puppy ones an issue they can “stand up to him” on.
hf (9bda9c) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:18 pmOne wonders if those poll numbers even penetrate his tone deafness. He seems ridiculously assured of his stature in the public’s eye – we can see it by how stunned he appears to be when someone informs him that everyone isn’t cheering on his latest plan to make our lives better.
“But ultimately I think the American people want fairness.”
Fairness being the most subjective word in our president’s lexicon. This will be another ugly debate. Hope the mobs of extremists make their voices heard. But minus the swastikas…
Dana (57e332) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:30 pmWell, perhaps he is smart to time it this way.
Immigration is exhausting, the GOP doesn’t have a sterling record, and the democrats can use it to get some votes in a way I don’t think they were going to be able to get any from what they’ve done so far. So if it’s the immigration issue that’s on the voter’s mind all next year in the way health care is on our mind now, perhaps that’s less disastrous for the democrats.
I guess. It’s hard to know what they are thinking. If they come up with an entitlement like ‘free’ health care, and add 30 million Mexicans to the voter rolls, the GOP might as well just shut down entirely. Is that all that matters to the democratic party? winning elections? These are not sustainable policies, so what do they hope to govern if they ‘succeed?’
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:37 pmIf the last go round on immigration reform is any indication the health care protests may be mild in comparison.
voiceofreason2 (8b91bd) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:39 pmThe GOP has an opportunity to reframe its message on the immigration issue if it is willing to focus on the legal citizens of Hispanic origin by highlighting how it protects their jobs, safety and level of taxes as well.
Is that all that matters to the democratic party? winning elections?
No, Juan, what matters most to them is seeing their self-righteous sense of fairness being
Dana (57e332) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:42 pmforced upongiven to everyone, citizen and non-citizen alike.Fairness? Hah, fairness.
My good friend from college spent several years and thousands of dollars trying to get his Icelandic wife a permanent visa, navigating a morass of paperwork and lawyers. Her greatest offense was she was a college-educated professional photographers.
That’s what they deserve for being dumb enough to play by “the rules”.
Techie (482700) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:46 pm“It strikes me that Obama has gone from being very proactive to very reactive.”
how does this square with him “tackl[ing] immigration reform” ?
imdw (fa2ef4) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:46 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Oh god that’s rich… “Debate”… Like they’ll let that happen…
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:47 pmI wouldn’t have a problem with opening up immigration to anyone who can pass a TOEFL, get a job paying at or above poverty level, and has no criminal record. And throwing out the scumbags permanently.
I don’t think it would be a bad thing to make America a place where people come to work and build.
I used to think we had to limit such things, but everything else has been thrown out the window, and the deficit is ridiculous. We probably need the manpower. I don’t mind if they come from Mexico as long as we have basic assimilation and employment. These people need to be Americans First. Oh wait… Country First lost the last election.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:51 pmWe need more immigrants to take care of an aging population and keep working the demographic pyramid.
With that said…….
I want immigrants like my parents who came here to work. Not immigrants who come here to work the system.
HeavenSent (01a566) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:56 pmReactive politicians make lots of mistakes. See Bush, G.W. Worse, Obama’s folks have a thin skin so their reaction is often overblown.
I’m willing to be the Republicans are going to use this, poking and jabbing to see when he’ll blow up. Just think if GWB had gone ranting after Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan. He sure would have looked unPresidential.
Kevin Murphy (805c5b) — 8/10/2009 @ 5:57 pmCool, I predict a GOP Congress elected in 2010.
SPQR X (26be8b) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:01 pmHeavensent, what’s sad is that Democrats do not appear to be interested in anyone who won’t need the government. Just as the black community has been led so poorly, the plan appears to be to get the hispanic community to need government entitlements to survive. If you need government entitlements to survive, you probably are not going to vote for Fred Thompson, or for that matter, JFK.
What’s happened to this party? They just seem so short term in their thinking. A political party should think about its real effect on the world, beyond who holds power. I am way too naive. This is just a huge criminal organization.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:13 pm“He just can’t seem to shake off campaign mode and start governing.”
mostly because his dumb a55 has no experience in, or skills for, governing. he is the classic suit, and proof positive of one of my favorite maxims:
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:24 pm“Image is the provenance of the non-performer.”
There was a push to streamline the legal immigration system a couple of years ago. It was opposed by the ICE agency. Why ? They relied on the fees of those waiting in line for legal immigration processing for their budget. You simply must understand the dynamics of a bureaucracy. They exist to spend their budget and to increase it next year. NOTHING ELSE matters ! Until you understand that, you don’t understand government.
Mike K (2cf494) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:27 pmHard to lead when your poll numbers are slipping and you are losing not only support but respect. The corruption and the shallowness of his administration are becoming apparent. And loss of respect is the real consequence here; exacerbated by a clown congress. Six months in and Obama is becoming a bad joke. It will be even worse a year from now.
MikeD (c83900) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:28 pmI want immigrants like my parents who came here to work.
That was another time. Those of us who had families come to America in the early-mid part of the century, clearly understood the gift it was to make it here. They came with the intent to work, to assimilate, and eventually become Americans. It was the ultimate prize. There are too many now who don’t know or care about honor, or independence but instead are ready and willing to surrender their own independence and self-reliance and let someone else provide for them. We have made it ridiculously easy to be so indulgent and the damage is perhaps irreversible.
Dana (57e332) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:37 pmimdw,
Obama has to tackle immigration well before the midterm elections because the odds are the Democratic Party will lose seats in the House and possibly in the Senate. He also has to placate disappointed followers who expected him to act on this sooner. To me, the fact that he’s pushing immigration now when he should be focused on health care illustrates how reactive he’s become.
DRJ (8d138b) — 8/10/2009 @ 6:50 pmvor2:
I’m not holding my breath but that would be terrific.
DRJ (8d138b) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:00 pmI am amazed that the GOP has not fastened onto one simple truth — the contemporary Democrat is weak on defense. Not only in the sense of our military, but in the sense that they react poorly when challenged substantively… witness the health (fill in the blank; it’s changing every couple of days) debate. Now’s the time to drive at them harder… Congress exempting itself from Obamacare ought to be on the lips of every person who doesn’t like the idea. E-mails, letters, phone calls. Ask your Congresscritter if he/she is going to sign up for Obamacare. Get him/her on the record revealing the true elitist snobbish nature they carry along with them. Expose it to your friends and neighbors. Carry the fight to them.
either orr (466a1d) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:04 pmIf unemployment is still high next year, it should be amusing to see Obama explain an immigration amnesty bill to the black community …
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:06 pmSPQR, if Obama doesn’t get well over 90% of the black vote, I’ll eat my own head. I agree that this bill probably affects that community more than many others, but hell, it’s not like voting for democrats has ever been a good idea for the black community.
That’s the model the democrats have in mind for the rest of us.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:11 pmYou simply must understand the dynamics of a bureaucracy. They exist to spend their budget and to increase it next year. NOTHING ELSE matters ! Until you understand that, you don’t understand government.
Great reminder. With regard to immigration reform, this blunt truth conveniently – and intentionally – gets lost behind the human interest stories and pulled heartstrings. It’s an easily manipulated issue.
Dana (57e332) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:30 pmWhat does the hallowed (and wise Latina) La Raza have to say about all this? Second time’s the charm?
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:36 pmRacists!
The Emperor (09c9e3) — 8/10/2009 @ 7:36 pmThe LAT has an interest article tonight about immigration reform, and uses a sad human interest story to put the human face on the need.
Also, according to the article, there is a deep concern about the health care reform bill and citizen’s reaction to possibly seeing illegal immigrants covered,
The issue is so sensitive that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) has made a point of emphasizing that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the current healthcare proposals.
The majority of the article, however, is directed toward the heartstrings,
Pushing around a cart filled with steamed corn, sliced cucumbers and other street food, Omar Castillo is the embodiment of what has become a third rail in the healthcare debate.
The 19-year-old, who received a kidney transplant last year, is in the U.S. illegally and has no ready access to long-term medical care. So peddling snacks is how he pays for the expensive drugs he needs to stay healthy.
Dana (57e332) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:12 pm15.There was a push to streamline the legal immigration system a couple of years ago. It was opposed by the ICE agency. Why ? They relied on the fees of those waiting in line for legal immigration processing for their budget. You simply must understand the dynamics of a bureaucracy. They exist to spend their budget and to increase it next year. NOTHING ELSE matters ! Until you understand that, you don’t understand government
Gazzer (409de8) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:13 pmSo very true. It reminded me of a story I saw a couple of days ago regarding the intricacies of obtaining a liquor license in CA. It is so fraught with land mines, that the only sure fire way to get a license is to employ an ex ABC employee to help you. Another self prepetuating bureaucracy, it’s genius. Read about it here.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/08/liquor-license-hell.html
So, are republicans the reincarnates of those who were whipping the Irish and Chinese during the railroad days? Their arguments make them sound that way.
That is not a good side of the argument to be on.
Nobody you personally know (8ef265) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:26 pmSo, are republicans the reincarnates of those who were whipping the Irish and Chinese during the railroad days? Their arguments make them sound that way.
That is not a good side of the argument to be on.
Comment by Nobody you personally know
Yes, my great grandfather was whipping the Irish, his 9 sons. He didn’t know any Chinese but their grandparents were probably whipping them. You really have no clue, have you ?
Mike K (2cf494) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:40 pmThe O’s poll numbers have been steadily dropping due to his “pet issues” and the Donk controlled Congress running amok. If he thinks that he can take on Immigration reform after this fiasco with Health Care reform…the dude is delusional. Congress won’t touch this with the original 10 foot pole during an election year – many of them know that if they don’t get some “help” from O, they will be looking for a new line of work come January 2011.
It’s time to flush the toilet that is Congress and to take back our government from Pelosi, reid, Frank, Dodd, Conrad, Murtha and others that have the same mindset (Memo to Brian Baird of WA state – your little “trip” to Antarctica and the Great Barrier Reef for some “fact finding” on global warming will be the nail to close the coffin on your time in Congress).
fmfnavydoc (4a9c06) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:50 pm“To me, the fact that he’s pushing immigration now when he should be focused on health care illustrates how reactive he’s become.”
He’s not doing what he ‘should’ be doing, so he’s ‘reactive.’ That makes a lot of sense.
imdw (0ab6a7) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:52 pmComment by Nobody you personally know — 8/10/2009 @ 8:26 pm
Hello again, “i like america”
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2009 @ 8:53 pmno one – This nypk thingie does have that feel, no? Usually I can peg them pretty quickly, but I could not put my finger on this one. Predictably, all it does is argue with caricatures and its bigotry as opposed to people and their actual positions.
JD (7cdb18) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:10 pmImdw – The list of things that don’t make sense to you is practically endless.
JD (7cdb18) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:11 pmObama on immigration – Let’s have an honest debate! Translation: Shut up if you disagree with me.
Since only 21% of Americans supported the last comprehensive immigration reform bill that failed, we’re pretty certain to have a replay this health care debate in which out of touch Washington elite try to ram unwanted change down the throats of the rest of America. But hey, they’re smarter than us and know what’s best for us, except virtually none of them have ever run a business and know what they are talking about when it comes to health care, so they got that going for them, which is nice.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:28 pmComment by JD — 8/10/2009 @ 9:10 pm
Am pretty sure only because “i like america” brags about trolling, delights in openly taking multiple names and even openly admitted he planned to take variations of my aka again. The thing is, he (yes, he’s a guy) thinks that we have no memories. Too bad for him.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:29 pmNOYK, I admit I did a double-take when I quickly read #28. I couldn’t believe you’d write that. Heh.
Dana (57e332) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:37 pmno one you know – I have been trying to be a kinder gentler JD, and was giving this new troll the benefit of the doubt that it had not selected its sock-puppet name specifically as a play on yours, which was my first instinct. So much for that …
JD (616de0) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:38 pmComment by Dana — 8/10/2009 @ 9:37 pm
Hey Dana…! Glad the weirdos around here are quickly spotted, whomever they’re trying to troll. Maybe it’s time to change my nick, not because trolls occasionally spoof it but because am not really “no one you know” anymore 😛
I have been trying to be a kinder gentler JD…
Comment by JD — 8/10/2009 @ 9:38 pm
A noble goal, JD, but maybe the less gentle one gets bettah results, esp w/ trolls…!
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:49 pmimdw,
Obama is the one who chose health care reform as an important initial goal, and he’s the one who says it has to be passed this year. Do you think adding immigration to the mix will make it more or less likely he can accomplish his goal of passing health care reform?
DRJ (8d138b) — 8/10/2009 @ 9:57 pmDRJ – There is an admitted sock-puppet trolling again today, as noyk pointed out above.
JD (616de0) — 8/10/2009 @ 10:01 pmI saw that, JD. I’ve put Nobody You Personally Know in moderation.
DRJ (8d138b) — 8/10/2009 @ 10:05 pmSimply put, I see the never-ending socioeconomic mess that is a country like Mexico, and I go bleech.
I see the indefinite, never-ending socioeconomic mess that is a variety of societies south of the border, and I shudder.
I see statistics that indicate a high percentage of Latinos in America do not do well academically, generation after generation, and I cringe.
I see statistics that indicate an over representation of felons behind bars are of Latino background — and of illegal-immigrant background in particular — and I grimace.
None of that would be quite so important, or disturbing, or so self-destructive to the people in question to begin with, or so intractable and difficult to change for the better, were it not for the following:
I see high percentages of people of Latino descent in the US and in nations like Mexico foolishly, blindly, mindlessly voting — over and over again — for liberal politicians and left-leaning political organizations.
And when limousine liberals like the guy now in the White House, and all his well-heeled supporters exacerbate the current situation, and eventually make it go from bad to worse, where will they end up?
In their gated enclaves, in their private schools? In their socioeconomically moat-like settings, enhanced with private security patrols, all safely tucked away from the muck and mire they will have had a hand in nurturing in the first place?
Mark (411533) — 8/10/2009 @ 10:16 pmDRJ – There is an admitted sock-puppet trolling again today
Comment by JD — 8/10/2009 @ 10:01 pm
Heh. Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about (Thanks, DRJ)
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2009 @ 10:18 pmIt’s no surprise to me that the Prez is going to tackle immigration during an election year – the Dems are losing some of their voting blocks (like the elderly to health care reform) so they need to be replaced asap. It seems to me that the Repubs should have given Sotomayor a big block of support to help their image in the Latino community (it’s not like she was replacing a conservative judge after all and they certainly were not going to prevent her appointment) to help forestall the Dem strategy of being a “friend” to the Hispanics here (if cradle to grave care with no chance to escape and better one’s self is being friendly). The right needs to start picking it’s battles a little smarter, with more of an eye on bigger prizes than little victories… being seen as against Hispanics in their opposition of her nomination is one of those small elements that combine into a big thing, like when they attempt to oppose immigration reform that grants basic amnesty the Dems will surely be pushing to gain new voters next year. When that battle occurs, having backed her nomination could have helped give them more traction instead of scaring all those votes into the Dems camp. I am all for sticking to your morals, but this little balloon of resistance in these town hall meetings are a long way from the mid-term elections and could easily be overshadowed and all but forgotten by then. The RNC needs to learn how to play chess – they aren’t thinking enough moves ahead imo.
BTW, I realize these debates over healthcare reform are bigger than “little balloons” personally – I am just saying that perception and reality are two different things and never having a positive pro-latino story in the news isn’t going to help.
the Virginian (0635b6) — 8/10/2009 @ 10:51 pmPlease let Obama push immigration reform. It served Bush and the GOP so well with the voters.
Thomas Jackson (8ffd46) — 8/10/2009 @ 11:03 pmDepends on how it’s pushed, but you make a good point – although I think the political winds may be blowing in a slightly different direction these days – I hope not, but I still maintain that America is suffering from severe short term memory loss…
the Virginian (0635b6) — 8/11/2009 @ 12:18 amI seem to recall that Obama promised to introduce an immigration bill after his first 100 days.
lee (86706b) — 8/11/2009 @ 1:01 am“Ask your Congresscritter if he/she is going to sign up for Obamacare. Get him/her on the record revealing the true elitist snobbish nature they carry along with them. Expose it to your friends and neighbors. Carry the fight to them.”
Dissent. Waaaaay too easy to get set up while relying on that. Push it too much, and you’ll get close to a vote, and they’ll suddenly announce they’re all signing on for it, just like the rest of us.
(And, very quietly, they vote in a private supplemental plan for themselves.)
bobby b (4baf73) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:26 amHmmm.
Karl (f07e38) — 8/11/2009 @ 9:33 amObama doesn’t want the President’s job. He wants to be President not perform as President. He loves the adulation, the power and the title. He hates the work. He loves to be honored. He hates to be judged. He can’t take criticism.
He’ll push for “comprehensive immigration reform” so his ACORN buddies can sign up real people and will no longer have make up names. There will be a path to citizenship and it will be quick. There will be twenty million new voters in four years and they’ll all be Democrats who vote exactly as patron Obama tells them.
For those who didn’t want to deport every illegal that could be found and pushed for “deport the criminals first”, thanks a million. Your “hard working, nonpolitical undocumented workers” may become the permanent majority. And they will vote themselves every benefit Obama can dream up. And we will pay for it. A few Democrats may have enough patriotism and integrity to vote no but there are enough RINOs of the McCain, Lindsey Graham school to pass it.
We tried to warn you, but you were too fond of humanitarianism or cheap lettuce to listen. When the numbers really begin to tank, the lure of twenty million controlled votes will sound like a siren song through the Democrat caucus and a full amnesty and voter sign up will follow within minutes.
Ken Hahn (729dd4) — 8/11/2009 @ 9:51 amGoogle “Cloward-Piven Strategy” and you’ll learn why Obama will never do anything to seriously reform immigration. It’s scary.
jwarner (0a2a75) — 8/11/2009 @ 11:11 amHeaven sent said: “I want immigrants like my parents who came here to work. Not immigrants who come here to work the system.”
We all do. Is it your belief that the Mexicans et al. who are coming here are not willing to work? That’s not what I see in my community, which is surrounded by farms and is near the Smithfield pork processing plant. The Mexicans are doing every lousy job that other folks won’t do. That’s why big business has been in cahoots in keeping them around.
Anyway, I think Obama’s just talking, playing to the crowd in Mexico. If he can’t get his own party to back an issue with 80+ percent agreement among Democrat voters(health care), where does he think Democrats will get the sack to pass contentious immigration reform, in a down economy and during an election year?
Myron (98529a) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:08 pmMyron, it’s disgusting for you to lie and say Heavensent was racist at all.
He knows, just like you do, that many illegal immigrants are not working, are not obeying laws (duh), and are using a lot of resources.
It’s easy to make an argument that is inclusive of the hard workers, mexican and otherwise, and excludes the bad ones. All you have to do is phrase things the way Heavensent and I did.
Your disgusting race baiting is predictable and boring.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:19 pmJuan: Cut and paste where I said Heaven Sent was racist. Otherwise, you owe me an apology for misrepresenting what I said.
BTW, many people of all races “are not working, are not obeying laws (duh), and are using a lot of resources.”
And? What’s your point?
Myron (98529a) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:22 pmRACISTS !!!!!!
JD (7d2b58) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:28 pmYes, but the only ones we can legally stop are the ones who shouldn’t be in the country in the first place.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:31 pmYes, but the only ones we can legally stop are the ones who shouldn’t be in the country in the first place.
Fair enough. I’m not excusing the illegality. I’m simply rejecting the characterization that a bunch of people from Mexico came up so they can just hang out and get on the government dole. That’s a stereotype. Most came to work, like other generations of immigrants.
Are there some lazy folks who abuse the system? Sure, just like with every other group. Does a mass immigration of people, legal or illegal, create pressure on the social network? Of course. No sane person would argue otherwise.
All I’m saying is look at who’s behind the counter at almost any fast-food joint. Look who’s picking crops, tending to hotel rooms and cleaning and working in kitchens. If every immigrant, illegal or otherwise, is on welfare, who are all these other people?
Myron (98529a) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:38 pmMyron said: Is it your belief that the Mexicans et al. who are coming here are not willing to work? That’s not what I see in my community, which is surrounded by farms and is near the Smithfield pork processing plant.
This is an obvious accusation of racism.
What’s funny is that Myron is clearly the racist here.
It’s not about whether the race of mexican is ‘good enough’ to be american. I have no need to stereotype mexicans based on the awesome ones I know, or the horrible ones I know. I, like Heavensent, just want good people who are willing to contribute to this society. It’s about personal responsibility, not race.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:42 pmJuan – That is SOP for Myron. He insinuates racism nearly every time he deigns to comment here.
JD (7d2b58) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:48 pmProjection is both the part and parcel of Myron’s reason for being here. Nothing more.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 8/11/2009 @ 2:52 pmAll I’m saying is look at who’s behind the counter at almost any fast-food joint. Look who’s picking crops, tending to hotel rooms and cleaning and working in kitchens.
What a bigot!
Joe Biden, is that you?
This isn’t the Simpsons. Lots of black and whites at my McDonalds here in Texas. All whites picking the crops at my grandma’s farm. A lot of everyone cleaning rooms. Kitchens? I bet most people working in kitchens are white.
Race is a lie that the democrats have told for centuries to justify their tyrannies. To divide. To keep the plantation owners happy, to keep the firehoses turned on the protestors, to keep blacks on the plantation of democrat policies, to say immigration enforcement is bad because poor mexicans are making fries.
It’s so boring and evil. How can you be so evil and still be boring? Somehow the democrats have managed it.
If you are willing to assimilate, love freedom, obey the laws, and work, the USA should open her doors to you. We should and we don’t, and that’s a shame. Obama could have run on this basis if he truly was some idealist.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 3:03 pmMyron, what’s sad is that you are ashamed of your own words. You said it, and now you back off. Why not own up to what you say?
I welcome the debate if you’re willing to just say what you mean and own it.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 3:05 pmRacists! And that goes for you too, JD.
The Emperor (22bda5) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:16 pmJuan: That is not an “obvious accusation” of racism.You got caught not being truthful and now won’t man up. But I’ve stopped expecting integrity or honor on blogs.
To all of you who accuse me of racism: I am simply calling things for what they are, and not using these mealy-mouthed code words that are so popular. Code words are for people with no spine. That’s not me. Sorry.
Everyone knows which group comprises the largest influx of immigrants. So when aspersions are cast on the work ethic of recent immigrants, we are talking about Mexicans and other Latinos. Folks need to start being honest and cease these silly games. The debate is too important for obfuscation.
Myron (98529a) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:26 pmYeah, Juan, race is a lie created by Democrats. The biggest lie was slavery, right? Systematic discrimination, all a big hoax, right?
Every single person who so vociferously opposes Mexican immigrants — illegal or otherwise — is only looking at it from the perspective of law, right? There is no “fear of brown” anywhere involved in any single person’s heart, right?
Yeah, right.
Man, you are lost. It’s sad.
Myron (98529a) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:31 pmMyron, when you say ‘Do you think Mexicans are lazy’, and then say that you never made an accusation of racism, no one will take you seriously.
You set out to accuse heavensent of racism. This isn’t some accident or sloppy error. You had every intention of accusing racism. You say I didn’t man up, which is childish and silly, because you saw that I specified precisely what I was referring you and explained my reasoning in detail.
your response is ‘nuh uh!’, but the evidence is obvious. Asking someone if they think jews are greedy is asking them if they are racist. Asking someone if they think women are dumb is accusing them of sexism. This is not complicated.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:33 pmAnd it’s also no surprise, Myron, that you go from disgusting accusations at one person to further disgusting accusations towards other people.
I am pleased with my defense of my point of view and am happy to let anyone be the judge.
You distorted what heavensent said, which I remind you was an obvious attempt to avoid racism by positing a race neutral immigration requirement. You did so in a perverse way that is completely backwards.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:37 pmThere is no fear of the brown people in my heart, Myron, and I am four-square against illegal immigration.
Juan – Your assessment is spot on, and consistent with this one’s pattern.
JD (f0aec3) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:52 pmJuan why bother with someone who must resort to such cheap tactics because he lacks the wit or education to frame his arguments in a way that might persuade people that he has a case?
Clearly you are dealing with somene who lived when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Only his exoskelton allowed him to survive after the asteroid impact.
Thomas Jackson (8ffd46) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:54 pmI do kind of fear my Better Half. Piss off a brown-skinned woman and you are in for a world of hell that even Dante could not imagine.
JD (f0aec3) — 8/11/2009 @ 4:55 pmAt the end of the day, I have thin skin when it comes to this kind of attack. I have thin skin when it comes to a lot of political evils. I would probably be a better man to ignore it, and I’m sure this blog would be better if people ignored Myron and the other bad apples.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 5:01 pmJD, you’re really a racist, but you just don’t realize it yet. I’m sure that Myron will also offer to educate your wife on his parameters as well, so that she’ll eventually come to see the light.
Myron’s MO is beyond tiresome at this point. There’s really no reason to respond to a Bobo Doll with this level of epic douchebaggery.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 8/11/2009 @ 5:13 pm“The biggest lie was slavery, right?”
The democrats own slavery. Al Gore’s dad would have loved to own some slaves. This is the democrat’s fault. Republicans ended it.
To some extent, what slavery is today, in the heads of many, is probably a lie.
Most whites did not perpetrate slavery back then. None today did. Most blacks are 40% genetically related to slave owners, therefore more closely linked to slave masters than most white people. Of course, they too are not at all responsible for what their ancestor’s did.
Slavery exists today, and many of the slaves are white. The war on terror is freeing slaves.
etc etc etc.
Instead of the truth, we have this idiotic idea that Obama is somehow associated with slavery, and was owed the presidency, and the GOP’s opposition to Obama is because they are the evil slave owner’s current iteration.
This is all confusing and convoluted because that’s what reality is. But at the end of the day, slavery has been illegal in the USA thanks to the GOP, and is not a valid argument for Myron to use in a thread about immigration.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 5:24 pmSo many codewords, so little time.
Racists.
Denounced and condemned.
JD (d3d21b) — 8/11/2009 @ 6:19 pm“Obama is the one who chose health care reform as an important initial goal, and he’s the one who says it has to be passed this year. Do you think adding immigration to the mix will make it more or less likely he can accomplish his goal of passing health care reform?”
I think less. I think that makes him proactive, not reactive.
imdw (7e609c) — 8/12/2009 @ 6:25 amThe American people are at the end of their fuses, because for decades they have been supporting hundreds of thousands of businesses who hire illegal immigrants? Hundreds of billions of dollars are going into the pockets of corporate executives, because they pay–nothing–other than minimum wages to foreign nationals. Businesses are very well aware that taxpayers will keep supporting the 20 million plus already here, because a government mandated laws says its demanded of us? European Industrialized nations are also in the same place, having to deal with a EU parliament who are also forcing the same mandatory laws. In America there is a safety net for people who have lost their jobs and forced into the breadline?
But illegal alien families who broke our sovereignty laws, have intentionally taken advantage of public welfare and federal legislation that gives them a right to our schools, health care and a whole barrel of benefits instead of US residents. Now President Obama wants to give AMNESTY, rewarding these people for crossing our almost defenseless border. This must not happen to the American workers and the rest of our population, because the Heritage Foundation has stated that just in retirement and pensions it exceeds $2 Trillion dollars. Even legal immigrants numbers have accelerated to 1. 5 million annually. We need no more poor, uneducated to sustain in America. We must cut down quotas to only the skilled contributors, who will not become a public charges. Then does anybody have an answer for those who will come after this AMNESTY? Eventually the millions who will come here, will lead to irreversible OVERPOPULATION.
WE ALREADY HAVE IMMIGRATION LAWS, BUT HAVE SADLY BEEN UNENFORCED AND ARE NOT BROKEN? THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, WANT ABSOLUTELY–NO RESTRICTIONS– ON HOW MANY FOREIGN CHEAP LABOR CAN BE ALLOWED INTO THE US? OBSERVERS HAVE SEEN THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF MASS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION INTO THE SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA?
Brittancus (e708cf) — 8/13/2009 @ 5:11 pmGet involved with the power of E-Verify, a composite of the SAVE ACT, to remove illegal immigrants from businesses. Promote in addition 287(g) police law to question persons about their immigration status and stop the weakening of ICE raids and NO MATCH LAW. DON’T LET YOUR POLITICIAN GET AWAY WITH THESE IMMIGRATION TRAVESTIES? Like millions of livid Americans call 202-224-3121 GOOGLE NUMBERSUSA for the Facts, not lies.