Palin Steps Down as Alaska Governor
[Guest post by DRJ]
Goodbye, Alaska politics:
“In a fiery campaign-style speech, Palin said she was stepping down to take her political battles to a larger if unspecified stage and avoid an unproductive, lame duck status.
“With this decision, now, I will be able to fight even harder for you, for what is right, and for truth. And I have never felt that you need a title to do that,” Palin said to raucous applause from about 5,000 people gathered at Pioneer Park in Fairbanks.”
Hello, Palin in 2012?
— DRJ
Just because I like kicking hornets’ nests, it will be a competition as to who sheen fades first, Palin’s or Obama’s.
nk (d7a872) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:25 pmIsn’t it pretty to think of a ballot in 2012 that features neither one of them?
Vail Beach (177d02) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:40 pmThe thing that bothers me the most is how Palin was hounded by these frivolous suits, and couldn’t even raise money to defend herself. So the anti-Palins could just pile on, repeatedly, until they drove her off.
The irritating part is that if someone was doing that to the President, it would be seen as so awfully negative.
I mean, look at some of those suits against Palin. And at least once, the filer was a person who works openly in the Obama network.
But you see, “…that’s different…” Sigh.
I want to see more citizens become politicians. Fewer “professional politicians.”
And everyone should, regardless of whether or not they agree with the former Governor’s politics. Business as usual in politics is not acceptable.
We should get better people. Character assassination is not a good route to achieve this goal.
Eric Blair (57b266) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:41 pmShe scared the pants off of them, Eric. But forget racist, there’s going to be a long time yet before this country votes for a woman for either President or Vice-President. And I mean the ladies, too.
nk (06f5d0) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:45 pmThere’s little way she can run successfully in 2012. She was elected to a job and quit the job. She’s now saying she can’t do the job.
I’ve been pro-Palin for a while, but this is a bad call. I won’t vote for her in the 2012 primary.
–JRM
JRM (355c21) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:45 pmYes, nk, she did scare them. The problem is how the press just piled on. I just read that Palin’s final speech was “disjointed” and this was AFTER the President’s bizarre little Health Plan talk?
But…but…
Not much solution. The frivolous lawsuit thing needs to be addressed, and I don’t know how.
JRM, I understand what you mean. But keep in mind what she had to deal with. I can’t think of anyone running for VP who had to deal with as many personal attacks.
Again, I want some real people in office. Not these “high school student council officer” types.
Eric Blair (57b266) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:50 pmMy ambivalence about her continues to grow …
JD (57d75b) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:52 pmIts fascinating how much Palin drives the media nuts.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:53 pmJRM, I’m curious: when reasonable like you who supported Palin, now, due to her quitting, can no longer support her, what do you think she should have done in light of the endless frivolous charges and the time and money it has already cost the people of Alaska to defend herself? What do you believe would have been in the state’s best interest? And Palin’s?
Dana (57e332) — 7/26/2009 @ 8:56 pmIts fascinating how much Palin drives the media nuts.
Wherever Palin may be lacking she has an extraordinary amount of power. If she didn’t, every time she made a public appearance and/or speech, the media wouldn’t be desperately hustling to remind us that those who count: the educated, the smart, and those who *know*, disdain her.
It’s fascinating how little the media realize how easily their buttons are pushed by trailer trash from Wasilla.
Dana (57e332) — 7/26/2009 @ 9:03 pmDana, I have always supported Sarah Palin’s political ambitions. It will be interesting to see what she does now. The thing that I remind myself about “conventional wisdom” is that while it is certainly conventional, it is seldom wise.
My parents told me about Richard Nixon’s awful “you won’t have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore” speech in what, 1962? The press thought his political demise was a done deal.
He was President six years later.
I’m not writing this to predict that Sarah Palin will run for President. I am saying that the press is full of…um…self-important guesses.
Eric Blair (57b266) — 7/26/2009 @ 9:07 pmI hope she did not ruin her chances for higher office by accepting McCain’s VP offer. If he had won she would have been well positioned to run for President in the future, because she would have gained enough experience to be really qualified for the position.
My question is how is she going to gain the experience she needs to be an attractive candidates to independent voters?
That saddens me because I think , based on her record, she would have made an excellent President. She demonstrated a high level of integrity for a politician and governed in a bipartisan manner, characteristics sorely lacking in President Obama.
ROA (e2e9ec) — 7/26/2009 @ 9:16 pmAgain, I want some real people in office. Not these “high school student council officer” types.
Exactly. Sarah Palin scares the elitist professional political types because she is genuine – a real person, rather than a fabricated media personality like so many others.
Mike LaRoche (d83224) — 7/26/2009 @ 9:25 pmThe quitter quits. Finally.
Palin’s future shows all the promise envisioned by Kathie Lee Gifford when she quit her gig with Regis Philbin.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:24 pmIs it possible for ambivalence to grow? Or, is ambivalence just ambivalence, without degrees?
Oh, and Mike Steel (doesn’t that sound like a bad pron name?) is a mendoucheous liar.
JD (2cb0f9) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:26 pmSTFU, International Man of Parody. Why are you so threatened by a conservative woman? You are a pathetic cowardly liar, a serial fabulist. Take your medication and crawl back into the root cellar.
JD (2cb0f9) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:30 pmAll the comments about “quitter” makes me wonder exactly what this character does for a living, JD. Other than make up stories about his hallowed past, I mean.
Eric Blair (57b266) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:32 pmI’m also reminded, JD, of what Triumph the Insult Comic Dog said to that Lord of the Rings guy at at the Star Wars premier.
Eric Blair (57b266) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:33 pmif y’all were better citizens, Sarah wouldn’t scare ya.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:49 pm“I feel it is my duty to step down (quit) because I don’t want to be a lame duck.”Huh? THAT! Is lame!!! She doesn’t even understand the meaning of the term LAME DUCK.
Henry (2741ac) — 7/26/2009 @ 11:06 pmAnd some of you still worship her.
Proper punctuation and grammar are also not lame. And I don’t think many people worship former Governor Palin.
What politician do you worship, incidentally?
Eric Blair (57b266) — 7/26/2009 @ 11:08 pmIndependent voters aren’t politically oriented, except when there’s hard times in the economy, when they throw the incumbent party out of office.
Official Internet Data Office (6ac5ad) — 7/26/2009 @ 11:10 pmWhat politician do you worship, incidentally?
The troll is a member in good standing of the Church of Obama the Redeemer, no doubt.
Mike LaRoche (d83224) — 7/26/2009 @ 11:39 pmComparisons: Palin vs Obama
I would say that Palin has done more good in the short time she was Governor than Obama has done during his entire political career.
And here is an interesting fact regarding popularity…
ttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Obama is now about equal to Sarah Palin in national popularity despite the fact that Obama has always had a brain-dead fawning news corps to bolster him at every turn.
Brad (259816) — 7/26/2009 @ 11:48 pmThat last part is, I think, the very definition of “buyers’ remorse.”
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/26/2009 @ 11:52 pm#14 — Comment by DCSCA — 7/26/2009 @ 10:24 pm
DCSCA:
Your attack against the character of Sarah Palin is the result of a morally deficient judgment, as demonstrated by your previous mocking of John McCain’s naval service to his country. As such, your judgment is meaningless.
An American Naval Officer who was imprisoned as a POW and tortured to the point where his injuries never healed — somehow gave you cause to mock his service. Your shame is documented here.
—
Not sure if you can understand this; if not, then feel free to mock:
Pons Asinorum (03d2d0) — 7/27/2009 @ 1:07 amPA, two things about the International Man of Parody:
1. He lies like the proverbial rug. He’ll soon claim to have had a relative in the cell next to McCain in the Hanoi Hilton. Or maybe he will make the claim about himself. He is the very definition of a “serial fabulist.”. And it is all in service of his quest for authority and respect.
Just laugh at him. McCain certainly would. And Palin would kick his behind. He knows both of these things.
2. He only posts this kind of thing to annoy, and feel more influential than he is. Just laugh at Commander McBragg, whenever he gets snotty.
if he posts without snark, you can try to engage him. Maybe it will work.Otherwise, just laugh at his tall tales.
He isn’t worth your anger.
Have a good evening.
Eric Blair (1ec03c) — 7/27/2009 @ 1:26 amTorrejon del Rey, Spain
Gee, I sure hope she hangs in there; it will be the best insurance the Democrates have in winning the 2012 elections!
Bill Day (666380) — 7/27/2009 @ 1:33 amI love Palin. I’m praying she becomes the voice of conservatives to offset the love of Obuma by the MSM. She can demand coverage. Something the Tea Party folks can’t seem to get from the MSM. We desperately need an anti-Socialism voice right now.
krusher (791666) — 7/27/2009 @ 3:11 amSarah Palin. 2012. Please God. Please make it happen. Oh please please!!!
The Emperor (0c8c2c) — 7/27/2009 @ 4:32 amI’m sure liberals are crapping their pants in fear of her. Just like they did when Dan Quayle announced.
JEA (9f9fc9) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:03 amThe people of Alaska are much better off without the Sarah Palin show to pay for anymore. Her ego has proven very expensive for the taxpayer of that great state. Rather ironic that she promotes herself as a fiscal conservative…Fact: No other Alaska governor has come close to squandering so much of their tax dollars on legal defense and travel expenses. Let the GOP have that milstone around their necks…Alaska deserves better. Palin and the puppet master Ted Stevens who created her are both private citizens again!… Good for You Alaska.
shanonsgranfalloon (014a30) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:14 amIm also praying Palin will become the voice of Conservatives and run in 2012. It won’t cost Dems a dime to defeat her. All they have to do is let her keep talking. Intelligent conservatives have already run away from her in droves.
Oh, and by the way CNN, please, please stop telling people that Lance Armstrong’s heart pumps 90 gallons a minute. Its physically impossible. A horse heart only pumps about 18 gallons a minute. If Gupa really believes that he should lose his medical license.
shanonsgranfalloon (014a30) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:27 amPalin has been officially unshackled. Let the counter-attack on the nuisance ethics complaints begin.
KingShamus (4fabb2) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:32 am“JRM, I’m curious: when reasonable like you who supported Palin, now, due to her quitting, can no longer support her, what do you think she should have done in light of the endless frivolous charges and the time and money it has already cost the people of Alaska to defend herself? What do you believe would have been in the state’s best interest? And Palin’s?”
Is anyone, republican or democrat, proposing to reform the alaskan ethics system or are we just going to leave it as such?
imdw (603c39) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:46 amThe resignation ceremony itself was dignified yet highly emotional.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/sarah-palin-abdicates-hands-over-regalia/
Mike Licht (86f68e) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:12 amAs proven by shanon, Bill, Henry, IMP, et al, any post about Palin brings out the hatey angry haters on the Left. I particularly found shanon’s amusing, squeaking about squandering tax dollars on legal defense as being Palin’s fault, as opposed to the blame lying with the craptacularly mendacious tactics of the Dems. Blaming Palin for thé Dems actions is one of the more brazenly dishonest memes that I have seen.
JD (6ed8b2) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:20 amThis sounds like Sara the Point Guard’s plan for the GOP. She’s going out and drawing the heat, putting pressure on the media, and looking for a good forward to bounce the ball to.
Xmas (60e828) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:21 am“Is anyone, republican or democrat, proposing to reform the alaskan ethics system or are we just going to leave it as such?”
If I understand the facts correctly, there is a bit of irony in your statement. The Alaskan state government just reformed the Alaskan ethics system into the current mess. Again, if the information is correct, former Governor Palin signed into the law the very thing she was victimized by. I mean no disrespect to her when I say this, but surely that was a palm to forehead moment.
Rick Beagle (508567) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:24 amSarah Palin. 2012. Please God. Please make it happen. Oh please please!!!
Uh, oh, I feel a bad case of wussie girly – men coming on:
I’m sure liberals are crapping their pants in fear of her. Just like they did when Dan Quayle announced.
Yep – there it is, just like the proverbial dog whistle. No difference regarding their gonad – less fear of a strong woman than Sullivan, when you think about it:
Im also praying Palin will become the voice of Conservatives and run in 2012. It won’t cost Dems a dime to defeat her
Awww, isn’t that precious? Come on, now, you don’t need to feel so threatened by a girl, do you? Stop hiding behind the couch and let’s have a look at you. BTW, have you ever kissed a girl that wasn’t inflatable, sweetheart? How’s that WOW tournament going on?
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:24 amA correction to my last post – if “Shannon” is really a women, then she’s kissed neither sex at this late point in her matronly life.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:26 am“I will be able to fight even harder for you, for what is right, and for truth.”
Good grief people, do you really take this seriously? I want an intelligent honest and realistic conservatism to guide the Republicans, not this buffoonery.
Jack (1a3562) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:27 amThe second place finisher in the Democratic primaries was a strong intelligent woman by the name Hillary Clinton (now Secretary of State). Therefore it would seem that your comments about Democrats and Liberals being afraid of a strong willed woman does not necessarily reflect the facts.
I would suggest that it is the policies that former Governor Palin espouses that drive the Democrats crazy rather than her gender.
Rick Beagle (508567) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:38 amLike Frum, Brooks, Parker and Noonan, who fell hard for Obama; and still haven’t gotten off their knees. those scintillating geniuses.
narciso (996c34) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:41 amDignity should return to the governor’s office now that Palin is gone. No, she cannot think on her feet and could never hold an unrehearsed press conference. She has nothing of substance to say except to lash out at the cameras that she jumped in front of!
carol (815a24) — 7/27/2009 @ 7:14 amLarry Landry, 51, of Fairbanks held up a red, white and blue sign that that read, “Quitting: the new American value.” The other side read: “Thanks for the laughs.”
Landry, a registered independent, said he respected Palin when she ran for governor in 2006, but he felt she changed during last year’s presidential campaign.
“She turned into a vicious vixen,” he said. “She descended into ugly, divisive politics.”
Enough said. Palin 2012. Keeping our fingers crossed.
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/27/2009 @ 7:32 am“I would suggest that it is the policies that former Governor Palin espouses that drive the Democrats crazy rather than her gender.”
Oh really, bunky? It’s her policies?
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/07/04/feminists-and-the-mystery-of-sarah-palin/
I don’t think so.
Brad (259816) — 7/27/2009 @ 7:39 amIt’s a lie, she’s the farthest thing from, but from their perspective, it makes sense. BTW, Larry, how’s Obama working out for you, now
narciso (996c34) — 7/27/2009 @ 7:41 amI guess when Palin talked of the press reporting facts, she wasnt referring to FOX!
Jason (419726) — 7/27/2009 @ 7:42 amMore truth from a former Palin hater.
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/07/06/comments-from-the-giant-thread-inside-the-mind-of-a-former-palin-hater/
Brad (259816) — 7/27/2009 @ 7:53 amPosts about Palin are like catnip for idiots.
JD (f4f0f3) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:03 amQuite so. Which explains why you’ve posted 5 comments already.
Battle Panda (567029) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:11 amI would suggest that it is the policies that former Governor Palin espouses that drive the Democrats crazy rather than her gender.
No, it’s the reality that Palin is a women candidate from the GOP – the lefties always assume that just like with Obama, only the Dems have the moral authority to be led by a minority and/or a woman. So my original point still stands – they’re scared sh-tless by her, period. The idea that a woman could shoot a moose, dress it and have it on the table for dinner defies their limited and retrograde imaginations.
Landry, a registered independent
Yeah, just like all of those “registered independent voters” who the MSM repeatedly quoted ad nauseum during their lovefest with Obama last year. Let’s see the voting record of “Larry,” please. If not, then he’s just another Moby.
Dignity should return to the governor’s office now that Palin is gone
Right – all that dignity is the hallmark of Alaska politics, surely. Decades of GOP corruption were washed away by Palin’s tenure in office, despite great risks to her future political career within her own party. Honestly, do you even know what the heck you’re talking about? You need to read up on the history of Alaska politics over the past 50 years – you could start with the incestuous political ties with the Alyeska oil consortium, for example. Until then, don’t bother us with your talking points ignorance about the state.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:17 amPalin simply couldn’t do the job. At least she recognized that. The ethics complaints against her are the tiniest drop in the bucket and nothing but a weak excuse.
She’s all bluster.
And what is ‘real’? I want somebody with brains and experience in government. She has neither. Sadly, there are a lot of others like her in office as well.
kd (0531e9) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:17 amJD, did you like the DB’s comment about “unrehearsed press conferences”? But if that were said about another political figure who ran for VP (or POTUS), boy howdy would Carol carry on that that was different!
Projection, thy name is progressive liberalism….
Eric Blair (eef042) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:20 amkd – What else was there then? Please inform everyone. If the trumped up BS ethics probes were but a drop in the bucket, enlighten everyone.
Brains and experience? We were told Teh One had brains, and Biden had experience. Look where that has got us. The simple fact is that Palin has more executive experience than Barcky.
Posts about Palin are dog-whistles to the mentally retarded, since that term is now acceptable again.
JD (f4f0f3) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:21 amMore pearls.
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:21 amOn Monday, “we’ll sit down and say, ‘OK, here are your options. How do you now want to effect that positive change for Alaska from outside the role as governor?”‘ Stapleton said.
Sarah Palin 2012. Changing America without a title. (Except of course the title of “President”.)
kd,
She accomplished major policy initiatives that governors in Alaska have failed to do for decades. That pipeline was a big deal and something a lot of others failed at. Her reforms were bipartisan and excellent.
Before the VP selection, she had the highest job approval among US governors.
She certainly has shown some problems in dealing with the media, and I do wonder if she could have handled this differently (though I can’t think of exactly how). But calling her an incompetent governor is ridiculous. Give me some argument to that effect… don’t just swear it’s so!
Fact is, the Democrats didn’t just want her to fail, they went out of their way to force her to fail. I want experienced leaders to (to an extent, I also don’t want Ivy league life long politicians who are completely out of touch with small business), but I don’t want thugs. Obama’s thugs did this, and that’s far worse than inexperience (not that this label doesn’t also apply to him).
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:24 amThe line from the troll above about unrehearsed press conferences was pretty hilarious given the lackluster performance of Obama in press conferences.
Do the anti-Palin trolls have any clue how hilarious their comments are?
SPQR (5811e9) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:26 amAnd I constantly have to hear about the stupidity or hamminess of Palin, but the critics are strangely silent about Biden. Funny thing, that.
Bunch of trollish alphabetists.
Eric Blair (eef042) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:26 amIt’s not just Palin’s gender. Elizabeth Dole wouldn’t get this kind of treatment from the left.
It’s that she is a real self starter who doesn’t play the game their way. A small business owner, a woman with a great family, a pro-life person who is obviously sincere, and, worst of all, someone who appeals to the little guy very easily, but not with promises of goodies from Uncle Sam.
She scares the right because she’s unpredictable, less educated and invested in the political party, completely willing to screw over and destroy corrupt republicans, and that she’s a huge threat to the established front runners. Oh, and she worked with Mccain… that’s a scarlet letter too.
She’s done really well to separate herself from Mccain’s campaign, and I suspect Mccain’s helping her deliberately by not speaking to her defense. She’s going to be impossible to slime at this point, and she’s going to have a much easier time raising money than the rest of the GOP. It’s a shame that we don’t have a deeper bench, but at the very least, Palin seems like the most ethical person to be on a presidential ticket in 20 years.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:32 amPalin/Prejean in 2012!
David Ehrenstein (2550d9) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:37 amPerhaps the root of the problem is that there are just so many Americans who would like to see Sarah Palin in a suit. Eventually it just becomes too much.
I’m still a fan – but cautiously. She does really need to spend some time getting sharper on the issues and building a more coherent argument. She’s too much like Sean Hannity and too little like Mark Levin. (Yes, he goes ballistic, but he also puts together a very good argument. Hannity just repeats his slogans over and over.)
Does anyone else recognize the names of all these new commenters all of a sudden? Several of them are unfamiliar to me, and I’m kind of wondering if DCCSA got hammered enough to reincarnate as shannonsgranfalloon.
And Dmac, that swipe at WoW was gratuitous and uncalled for.
Gesundheit (47b0b8) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:40 amPalin’s surprise announcement she was stepping down 17 months before the end of her first term pushed her favorability rating down to 40 percent, according to a Washington Post-ABC poll. Fifty-three percent of those polled gave her an unfavorable rating.
Quitting never looks appealing. Not the American spirit.
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:41 amSarah Palin. 2012. A gift that keeps on giving.
Dole wouldn’t have received that treatment because she was never a serious threat to them – and Palin scares the many leftist pantywaists because she’s authentic and comes from a decidedly outside – the – Beltway state. You can’t even call Alaska flyover country, really.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:43 amI’m still a fan – but cautiously. She does really need to spend some time getting sharper on the issues and building a more coherent argument. She’s too much like Sean Hannity and too little like Mark Levin. (Yes, he goes ballistic, but he also puts together a very good argument. Hannity just repeats his slogans over and over.)
You are a hater. Denounce yourself immediately! 😉
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:44 amEric: No one “drove” Palin anywhere. She quit. She isn’t the first major politician with political opponents. This ain’t tiddlywinks.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:49 amGesundheit – These are just a bunch of drive-bys. Some Leftist site prolly linked it, and they are just puking out their talking points like good little foot soldiers.
JD (f8b50e) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:52 amNow, I know that Huckabee is potentially one of Palin’s political opponents. But does he not have a point here (interview on FoxNews)?:
CHRIS WALLACE: Governor Huckabee, almost every politician is on the firing line. You may not have been to the degree as governor of Arkansas that Sarah Palin was once she achieved national prominence. But what about this argument, “I’m doing this for my state because the attacks against me are getting in the way?”
MIKE HUCKABEE: Well, if that had been the case for me, I’d have quit about my first month, because I was a Republican governor in a state where 89 percent of my legislature were Democrats.
I had constant ethics complaints filed against me, even by newspaper editors, and a lot of it was because if they can’t attack you on policy, what they do — they just absolutely bombard you with personal attacks and keep you tied up in court, make you hire lawyers. Been there, done that.
Arkansas was a tough political environment, period, even tougher for a Republican, and one of the things you have to do is just decide, “Look, they’re not going to, you know, chase me out.”
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:55 am“She’s too much like Sean Hannity and too little like Mark Levin.”
I like that argument. I think Sarah could fix that if she wants to, and I think she should, even if she isn’t running.
Myron, of course she was driven out. She’s not a millionaire like Barack Obama (who got rich via corruption, of course). She has to feed her family. She has to be able to do her job without using her staff to handle hundreds of bogus FOIA requests and dozens of ethics investigations.
It’s amazing that millions were spent investigating her and she turned up clean… she’s the complete opposite of Obama who is obviously Rezko dirty without any real investigation needed. but she was driven out.
Obama’s thugs just couldn’t let her run her state. Had to sue her over and over again. Lose over and over, just to sue again. It appears to have worked, and Sarah quitting may be a harbinger for more of this awful behavior.
What they did was wrong. Sarah couldn’t withstand it, and maybe that’s an argument (though you’d have to be able to explain any possible way for her to handle this… there doesn’t appear to be a way), but politicians should have to be able to handle it. Saying ‘it’s a tough game’ is bull. It’s an easy game for the corrupt and a tough game for the honest. Sarah was just too honest.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:56 ampalin gave advise to media about new govenors family……..said they were nice and the media should leave them alone””””””maybe he won”t be so stupid to prance them out in front of all to see ,,,,if they are unwed & pregnant,,,,or not
JOYCE WOODARD (ce251d) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:57 amIt was a concerted and coordinated effort by the Dems, Myron. As shanongobbledygook pointed out above, the BS ethics complaints have cost millions of taxpayer dollars and at least hundreds of thousands of personal legal bills. The one thing I like about Palin is how she drives the Left bugf*cknutz and makes them show their true colors.
JD (f8b50e) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:57 am“I’m also praying Palin will become the voice of Conservatives and run in 2012”
It’s Obama’s best chance to pull off a Reagan-like sweep of 49 states. Though I don’t think he’ll ever win Oklahoma. But he might beat her in Alaska, after the way she left the state in the lurch. So that would balance out.
But that’s just fantasy talk. Republicans generally do a better job than Democrats of picking their most electable candidate. If she decides to run, she’ll be edited out shortly after Iowa.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:01 amHuckabee, I hasten to add was found guilty on 5 of 12 complaints, he was better than Jim Guy Tucker, but that’s not saying much. He’s a pork
narciso (996c34) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:05 ambarrelling Elmer Gantry, the GOP analogue to Jimmy Carter
Joyce, that Palin continued to show pride in her daughter when she was ‘unwed and pregnant’ as you note, proves that she wasn’t just parading them for political points.
She actually needs them, or she can’t function. She loves her family and they are her life. This may come as an eye rolling weakness to the left who just wouldn’t stop laughing about raping her little kids, but I think it was a tremendous strength, and the basic reason Obama is corrupt and Palin is the cleanest politician in America, as proven by all those ethics suits.
Myron, Sarah would beat Obama today, and will probably beat him in 2012. Obama’s your sinking ship, and the democrats can’t possibly pick anyone else in 2012.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:10 amJOYCE ressurects one of the most fundamentally dishonest Leftist talking points. Thank you for being so predictable.
Trig !!!!!!!!!
JD (f8b50e) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:13 amJuan: I think Obama mostly got rich off his books,and didn’t have much money before then. He was, in fact, still paying off law school loans before then.
But don’t let me stand in the way of a good talking point.
As for Palin, you said it yourself: She couldn’t “withstand it.”
Well, guess what? President is a LOT tougher job than governor.
The level of opposition she will get if she truly does become a viable candidate will be unlike anything she has seen.
Look what Bush took, and the Clintons.
There are people whose life work has become destroying Obama. But that comes with the territory.
If she can’t take it now, what is your evidence she’ll be able to hang in at a higher level?
I have evidence to support my side: She has already quit once.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:15 amHuckabee, I hasten to add was found guilty on 5 of 12 complaints,
That’s a fair point, Narciso. I don’t think Palin’s been found guilty of anything, so it looks more like pure harassment in her case.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:19 amAnd Dmac, that swipe at WoW was gratuitous and uncalled for.
Then grow a thicker skin, please. Have you been paying attention to the posts here over the past year via the Trollbots? Goodness, we’re not playing by the Marques of Queensbury Rules now, are we?
Too many of these drive – bys sound as if they’ve never worked in a demanding job, had families to support, or even experienced anything like a normal life, let alone sunlight. To expend the kind of energy and attention to trolling on blogs just in order to get a rise out of a stranger speaks volumes about what their actual lives must be like, and it ain’t pretty. So sorry, but if the WOW moniker and sitting in their mother’s basements eating Cheetoes and mouth – breathing at their screens seem like unfair monikers, then by all means pick another analogy instead.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:20 amShe’s not a millionaire like Barack Obama
(who got rich via corruption, of course)
Comment by Juan — 7/27/2009 @ 8:56 am
It’s either you back up that statement with evidence or you retract it. If not I will be forced to call you a liar. Which will it be, Juan?
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:20 amBoy, what a troll fest ! I wonder how many of those “commenters” have a heartbeat and how many have a hand inside their little heads.
Her ego has proven very expensive for the taxpayer of that great state
This one stumped me. Even trolls have to make better sense than this.
Mike K (2cf494) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:21 amPresident is a LOT tougher job than governor.
So pray tell us, what demon opposition has tried to destroy Obama’s awesomness, Myron? He has solid majorities of Congress in both houses, yet there’s still heavy resistance to his plans, and we’re barely past the 6 – month mark of his term in office. Couple that with an adoring press worthy of Pravda back in the 1960’s, yet still there are vast forces of darkness lurking out in the shadows, seeking to bring the great man down? The guy has the thinnest – skin we’ve ever seen since Nixon, and he was never seriously questioned nor challenged during his political rise in Illinois. Want proof? The only reason why Reverend Wright was even noticed is that an underling at ABC News kept posting the videos on YouTube until even the doyennes of the MSM had no choice but to accept reality.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:27 amJD: I don’t think it’s Palin per se that drives the left nuts. I think it’s the support she gets in spite of her appearing wholly unqualified to be president. Frankly, I think it’s a wonder she was ever governor, though it does appear she did a pretty good job before quitting.
I can tell you what gets my goat. It’s that perfectly reasonable people will defend her as a party leader and even a visionary,when she doesn’t even have a vision that I can see.
I think comparisons of her to Reagan insult Reagan, and I didn’t even like Reagan. But I recognized he was a visionary — long before he was elected president he had a record of speeches where he had laid out his vision.
When Dan Quayle misspelled that word, he was drummed out of contention for any serious job at the national level.
Conversely, Palin cannot credibly answer a serious question about what books she reads, and she’s celebrated as a heroine in some quarters. Even one of her supporters up-thread noted she is “less educated” than other pols. Is that some kind of plus, now? If so, how far have we fallen as judges of presidential qualifications?
She debates Biden and avoids almost all the questions, and pundits in the so-called MSM say she won, or else tied Biden. WTF?
No other politician for a job that important got those kind of breaks.
Similarly, she skates through the campaign season giving only 3 or 4 interviews, and one was a softball exercise with Hannity. Biden gave more than 170 (some of them Obama probably wish he hadn’t!)
I mean, people talk about the media attacks, and I’ll concede some of the attacks were beyond the pale. But what about the baby-sitting she has also received from the same media?
I wonder if people are making allowances for her b/c she is attractive.
One of my friends said that if she looked like Golda Meir, we would never have heard of her.
I saw her speak in person in Greenville, N.C. I was impressed with her gifts at firing people up. But I will need a lot more to convince me she is anything but a one-trick wonder.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:32 amFrum and Sullivan act like idiots:
I am not surprised by Sullivan idiotcy, but I would expect David Frum would know better. The State of Alaska returning oil revenue royalties to its citizens is not a “government handout.”
Joe (a32cff) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:42 amMyron – That is a pile of BS. The Trig trutherism started in so quickly it would make your head spin. The outright mockery of her pregnant daughter continues unabated to date. Her experience as a VP candidate far outweighed Barcky’s executive experience.
Teh One just told us he doesn’t read columns, and has very little time for reading.
Hirohito?
Babysitting from the media? You have got to be effin’ kidding.
JD (240403) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:53 amDavid Frum is a poofter.
JD (cc3aa7) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:55 amWow. My irony meter just blew up in my hands. Time to stop at Fry’s and get a new one.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:57 amQuayle didn’t misspell the word. That was done by whatever teacher handed him the card. Get your facts straight, Myron.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:59 amYeah Myron Palin is a complete boob. Remember when she talked about how FDR reacted tho the market crash? About how he went on TV the next day and reassured the country like the big daddy figure and made everything all better? About how that was how she and McCain would react and that that made them the obvious choices for election?
Oh, I’m sorry that all was Biden.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:20 am“Elizabeth Dole wouldn’t get this kind of treatment from the left.”
No she wouldn’t. I voted for Dole too, even though the nomination had already been decided well in advance of the primary here in NJ. Dole would’ve made a good president. Neither Hillary nor Sarah would, IMO.
I respect Palin as a mother. I know what it’s like to raise a child with a handicap. I respect her stand with her kids and I think the left, particularly guys like Andrew Sullivan, were beneath contempt to attack her children.
But as a politician, she’s not very deft, and she’s not tough enough to survive what will surely be a savage primary season next go-round among Republicans (unless Obama has completely tanked by that time and/or the economy sucks a lot worse). She’s got to overcome the generally established perception of her and make herself relevant for the next 3 years.
I don’t think it’s likely, but stranger things have happened. It’s too early to count her out yet. But she’s got a lot of work to do to have a chance in 2012.
JEA (9f9fc9) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:22 amI can tell you what gets my goat. It’s that perfectly reasonable people will defend her as a party leader and even a visionary,when she doesn’t even have a vision that I can see.
So, your inability to appreciate what others see in her gets your goat ? What I see is a woman who has worked her way up from grass roots politics over the opposition of a lot of corrupt politicians in both parties and cleaned a smelly Alaskan political scene. One reason she has been so besieged by phony ethics complaints is that she does not have as many allies in politics as most politicians. Why ? Because she is a threat to a lot of them.
Her allies are ordinary citizens and you know how little they matter.
Would I vote for her for president ? Not right now but she has a few years to do what Margaret Thatcher did; educate herself in national and international issues. Thatcher held a typical “woman’s ministry” in Heath’s government and she set up a private think tank to cram on issues she needed to know. If Palin does something like that, I’ll vote for her in 2016 or in 2020. There might be a Republican incumbent in 2016.
I think a lot of Democrats see her as a potential Harry Truman who was also self educated. One thing you can’t do, as Obama is finding out, is educate yourself while in office.
Mike K (2cf494) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:41 amDmac: Sorry. Maybe I ought to have used the little “winky” thingy on the WoW comment.
I’ll take my shot at the why-do-they-hate-Palin game…
I think it’s because she’s a happy and confident conservative. And I think that quite a lot of those who like her do so for the same reason, and because she’s not all that intellectual. The conservative arguments she’s made have not generally been profound ones – some good basic economics, private ownership of property, personal responsibility – that kind of thing. She’d be an Everyman if she was a man. But she gets to embody Everyman in a prettier body. It’s a win win… which means a lose lose for those sour-faced libs out there.
As to the media coverage, I suggest that the exact same play could be made against ANY candidate if libs in the media agreed on it. Normally that wouldn’t happen – at least not so unanimously as it did here so that it lead to such completely over-the-top vituperation. They all agreed instinctively to take her down because they considered her a rube, a bumpkin, and someone who just didn’t have the right to enter their world.
But if Sarah Palin, with her squeaky clean life (and yes, I’m even including her very ordinary and familiar family troubles) could be the target of so much slime, then so can Bobby Jindal, Huckabee, or anybody else.
Gesundheit (9ca635) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:42 amMike K: you commented while I was typing, and you said it better than I did. Excellent. Give her some time – and let her get more prepared to (rhetorically) shoot some more media (which will *really* get people on her side) – and she’ll be ready to campaign again.
Gesundheit (9ca635) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:45 amI hold no brief for Palin for the WH in any capacity – but the level of hypocricy from her supposed “betters” in the MSM was nothing short of breathtaking. Biden tells some of the biggest howlers of all time, every one was a humongous whopper of a lie, yet still he got a complete pass from his butt – boys in the media. “Oh, that’s old crazy Uncle Joe, you know how he is,” and so yawn. Assinine.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:46 amMaybe I ought to have used the little “winky” thingy on the WoW comment.
Thanks for clearing that up – I wasn’t sure if your tone was ironic or serious. Glad to hear it was the former.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:47 amTeh Narrative will be served. Do not mess with Teh Narrative.
JD (725e5a) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:51 amI read all of the comments to this point. Most miss the point. Palin speaks from the heart, Obama from a teleprompter. Palin speaks of what she believes. If Obama did that he would be run out of town. Sarah Palin quit a job to run for Governor. That did not seem to be a detriment. I suggest those who want to believe Palin’s speeches are broken or incoherent. Notice how she gives a speech. She looks at the people she is speaking to, rarely referring to notes. When you believe what you speak, you do not need notes. Obama, on the other hand, head tossing this way and that as he switches between teleprompters, is but the voice of unknown authors. But facts are facts and Sarah Palin scares the hell out of the left. She should. If she runs, she will win. In the end, the truth always wins.
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Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (eebb71) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:52 amYour point?
David Ehrenstein (2550d9) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:00 amSo pray tell us, what demon opposition has tried to destroy Obama’s awesomness, Myron?
Dude, keep up with the news. “Waterloo.” “I hope he fails.” TEA parties. The birther movement. FoxNews. “Socialist.” His wife is compared to an ape. He’s compared to a monkey.
Are you saying there’s no opposition to “The One”?
Hmm, where’d that nickname come from, by the way?
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:10 amJD: Nothing I said was BS. All has been well-documented.
Unlike many of Palin’s critics or supporters, such as yourself, I have read up on her, every since she first appeared.
For instance, a year before McCain tapped her, she was asked about the Iraq War. She said she had not been following developments in the war and was concentrated on Alaska’s affairs (which she has now abandoned). She did express her support for the Guardsmen from her state who were involved.
Obama knew enough about the war to express a (strong) opinion five years ago.
Anyone who believes that a person who has no curiosity about the war on terror is ready to step in and lead the country just a year later needs to look in a mirror and ask himself whether he is putting partisanship ahead of reason. I suspect that is what is going on with you.
As far as her “learning on the job” and hoping nothing happens to McCain, that’s not a chance neither I nor the American people were willing to take.
A recent poll showed 37 percent of Americans believe she understands complex issues. That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of her policy “chops.”
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:17 amI think it’s because she’s a happy and confident conservative.
Is she the first one? I don’t think she’s unique in this.
she’s not all that intellectual.
OK, you have hit on something here. It’s interesting that this statement comes from one of her supporters. The left does prize intellect.
But she gets to embody Everyman in a prettier body. It’s a win win
I suspect that this is the root of her popularity. What do her looks have to do with her abilities as a leader?
I think hostility she receives from many women has two sources. One is simple jealousy. But the other is that she’s given a pass (“not all that intellectual”) b/c of her looks.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:26 amMyricones hate
nk (b26631) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:30 amgood-lookingwomen.Mike K: See, you’re doing it again, that thing I don’t like.
Don’t put Palin up there with Thatcher. The Iron Lady is one of your side’s heavy-hitters, a true stateswoman. A credit to the conservative side. You diminish Thatcher and you diminish history when you do things like that. The gulf between Palin and Thatcher is too great. It won’t be bridged, not in this lifetime.
The difference between Palin and Thatcher is well beyond just reading a few books. If you can’t see that, I don’t know what to make of you.
For some strange reason, people do this little game more with Palin than anybody else.
If someone had said Dan Quayle should strive to be like Churchill, he would have been properly laughed out of the room.
I guarantee you Baroness Thatcher could have ran off the newspapers she read, and THEN chastised the reporter for asking her an insulting question. She wouldn’t have stood there looking stupid.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:34 amSteverino: While I’m happy that Dan Quayle has defenders — I always felt that too much was made of his gaffe — you do know there is video of him writing the word wrong on a blackboard? Am I going to have to find it? Do you not remember? Are you young?
If one is handed a card with a misspelled word, what one does is alert the teacher discreetly that the word is misspelled and then spell it correctly for the national viewing audience.
Myron (98529a) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:40 amMyron – More BS, especially the part where you claim I am a Palin supporter, which I am not.
If the Left prizes intellect, how do you explain Biden and Teh One?
JD (cf0242) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:43 amHirohito! FDR on TV soothing the nations nerves. Never mind, I will get carpal tunnel typing out all of the “gaffes” from Biden and Teh One, the experienced intellectuals.
JD (cf0242) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:46 amIt’s sort of like 57 states,JD. When you flub something like that, you fix it. Except he didn’t. But of course that is different. Like the tonsillectomies business.
The more this POTUS and VPOTUS talk, the more boneheaded things the Left will have to say are different.
Eric Blair (5cc18e) — 7/27/2009 @ 12:03 pmYou have to be reading impaired to think that Mike K compared Palin to Thatcher. He laid out a series of things that Thatcher did, that if Palin would also do, could make her better situated for a run later on down the line.
JD (204bee) — 7/27/2009 @ 12:14 pmMike K: See, you’re doing it again, that thing I don’t like.
Don’t put Palin up there with Thatcher. The Iron Lady is one of your side’s heavy-hitters, a true stateswoman. A credit to the conservative side. You diminish Thatcher and you diminish history when you do things like that. The gulf between Palin and Thatcher is too great. It won’t be bridged, not in this lifetime.
The difference between Palin and Thatcher is well beyond just reading a few books. If you can’t see that, I don’t know what to make of you.
You don’t know what to make of me anyway, Myron. I don’t fit your stereotype of the right. For example, I’m pro-choice and favor a national health care system that includes all citizens.
You are operating from tapes that play in your head and it would be a very good idea for you to try to learn a few things about the world around you. I could provide a short reading list if you’d like.
You could even look at my blog, click on “health reform” and try to learn. As for Palin, I have been around politicians for 30 years and she is the rare genuine person who has gotten somewhere. Most politicians are phonies and she is not. That makes her very precious for our system if she can be convinced to educate herself. Thatcher wasn’t always the Iron lady. Why don’t you read her two memoirs ? They are well done and, unlike Hillary for example, not ghost written.
Mike K (2cf494) — 7/27/2009 @ 12:39 pm#69 — Comment by JOYCE WOODARD — 7/27/2009 @ 8:57 am
palin gave advise to media about new govenors family……..said they were nice and the media should leave them alone””””””maybe he won”t be so stupid to prance them out in front of all to see ,,,,if they are unwed & pregnant,,,,or not
[I think you meant governor and won’t]
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Children should always be attacked; it is easy, they cannot fight back.
If your conscience bothers you, just pick a rationalization (like “it’s the candidate’s fault”, or “they made immoral choices, so I can attack them”, or “politics is a dirty game” — whatever floats your boat), you’ll feel a lot better.
Besides, once you attack children a few times, those conscience things will simply disappear. Then you can be proud of it, just like Joyce, who has espoused the new Democratic values quite well.
Pons Asinorum (03d2d0) — 7/27/2009 @ 12:45 pmMyron how is Obama working out for you?
Go Palin, give em hell!
Thomas Jackson (8ffd46) — 7/27/2009 @ 1:31 pmSuper duper cache is more of teh suck than Rich Puchalsky.
JD (10c938) — 7/27/2009 @ 2:00 pmSupport continues to grow for Sarah Palin For President in 2012 from conservatives across the nation who do not trust the GOP establishment. http://www.palin4pres2012.com
Ron (cc2bda) — 7/27/2009 @ 2:22 pmI think it’s the support she gets in spite of her appearing wholly unqualified to be president.
You are able to say that with a straight face and, at the same time, be a supporter of one of the scroungiest, flakiest, more marginal characters to ever occupy the White House, referring, of course, to Barry/Barack Jeremiah-Wright-embracing Obama?!
You’d be more honest if you came out and said you didn’t care for Sarah Palin simply because of her ideology and party affiliation. That’s even more the case when the joke known as Joe Biden is your party’s vice president. And I won’t even mention other goofuses aligned with the left and the Democrats, including Hillary sniper-fire Clinton and Al preacher-man-speakin’ Gore.
Mark (411533) — 7/27/2009 @ 2:48 pmTechnical matter: I haven’t seen the new comments on here in a while. The main page says there are 110, but I’ve been seeing 94 comments. Anyway, just to let the site administrators know.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 3:12 pmOK, I saw the new comments when I posted my question.
Anyhow:
Thomas, I think Obama’s doing a good job in what we all knew would be a difficult situation, certainly a better job than McCain would have done. McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy. It’s certainly not sound as he thought the day the market nearly crashed. And of course, his No. 2 would have been no help.
(reminds me of my favorite ad from the campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eUz13-pmTY
)
The economy is showing signs of life — Dow back above 9000, new home sales up. But unemployment, which we already knew was a lagging indicator, will get worse before it gets better.
Things should improve next year.
I think Obama et al. made a strategic mistake in selling the stimulus as an emergency fix, and he’s paying the price for creating the perception. The way it’s designed, it cannot have much effect for at least a year or so. In my city of 250,000, stimulus funds are still being announced, so how can they have already created jobs?
In other news, Obama must get health care reform through. I expect he will, but what in form? That’s my main concern, that it will be stripped to where it’s meaningless. But that’s a Democrat-on-Democrat thing and would be of no concern to the people of this site. The party that represents your viewpoint has dropped out of the debate.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 3:21 pmThe party that represents (most of) my viewpoint has taken to heart the advice that, when your opponent is committing suicide, don’t interfere. There are excellent alternatives, as Myron knows since he went to my blog (You didn’t ?, tsk, tsk. Those tapes are not good for you, Myron) and, once the Obama monstrosity is gone, maybe we can discuss them.
Mike K (2cf494) — 7/27/2009 @ 3:42 pmJeebus, Myron has drank the Kool – Aid, drank it like the Jim Jones followers dutifully did as told.
Dude, keep up with the news. “Waterloo.”
– which is being directly caused by his own compatriots in the Dem party. Dude, you can’t actually read the news and comprehend it at the same time, can you?
“I hope he fails.”
As opposed to what? We all are supposed to gather together and sing Kumbaya? What ever happened to the Leftard’s axiom of “dissent is the highest form of patriotism?” Remember Boosh/Hitler/Rovianmindcontrol/DarthCheney/Bloodforoil? And you get your panties all in knot when someone hopes teh One’s socialistic policies fail? How is that suddenly bad? Ever hear of free speech, son?
TEA parties.
– which formed as a direct protest against his policies, yet have still not been covered in anything but a negative and derisive light by the MSM, except by hacks like the former CNN reporter, Susan Roesgen.
She likened the tea parties as “a bunch of fascists and racists,” while the other anchors likened them to “a bunch of tea baggers?” Oooh, how will teh One ever get a fair shake from that nasty press?
>the birther movement.
Which has been largely discredited by conservative sites. Do you read any of them?
His wife is compared to an ape. He’s compared to a monkey.
By whom? A nutbag with one t – shirt? Do tell us of the widespread commentary displaying these slogans you speak of, with links.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 3:52 pmcertainly a better job than McCain would have done. McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy.
Absolutely. In fact, McCain was dumb enough not to speak of another ginormous stimulus, since he already understood that Paulson’s advice was essentially a sound one. And how’s that stimulus package working out so far? Genius, I tell you, pure genius.
Dow back above 9000, new home sales up.
This is commonly understood as the “dead cat bounce” during the middle of deep recessions. And btw, those “new home sales” are primarily homes that have been in foreclosure, and their lenders are taking pennies on the dollar in return. But please, continue onward:
The party that represents your viewpoint has dropped out of the debate.
That must be why Obama and the Dems can’t shut the f-ck up about the Republicans, even today. But yeah, they’ve completely dropped out of sight.
Do you get all your talking points from Kos?
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 3:58 pmDmac, Shhhhhhhh
Let the lefties buy into this bear market rally. Maybe they’ll shut the f**k up once they are cleaned out.
There is talk, which I am very skeptical about, that the recession will end this month with a positive quarter in the fall. Maybe but the bear market isn’t over.
Mike K (2cf494) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:07 pmIf you believe the widespread axiom that the official unemployment numbers should be almost double the number stated, this recession’s a long way from over, Mike.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/27/2009 @ 5:30 pmI’m not a financial adviser or economist so take this with a grain of salt. However, I think the unemployment numbers are significantly understated, not only because the widely publicized reports don’t take into account part-time and underemployed workers who want full-time employment, but also because more workers who aren’t working now will try to return to the workforce in the fall. I’m worried that unemployment could jump significantly in the last quarter of 2009, but I hope I’m wrong because it’s bad enough already.
DRJ (6f3f43) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:06 pmSome of my business clients are saying that consumer retail business has taken a large drop for them starting in July, a precipitous drop that has them very worried and definitely not sharing Myron’s vacuous rosy projections.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/27/2009 @ 6:34 pmHello all. Just thought some of you would like to know, Patterico’s liberal debate partner Marc Cooper is offering 50-to-1 odds to anyone– especially conservatives– willing to bet up to $150 that Palin will be the GOP nominee in 2012. Here’s the quote…
…and, here’s the link to his official comment:
http://marccooper.com/sarah-told-me-so/#comment-610845
I’ll let Marc know I posted this here. Am interested in seeing how much action he gets. I’m not the biggest Palin fan, and think she could very well be old news by ’12, but I might put up $5 myself… who knows. 🙂
qdpsteve (5eb540) — 7/27/2009 @ 8:58 pmLike he would pay you if you won, Q.
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:02 pmand, once the Obama monstrosity is gone, maybe we can discuss them
OK, Mike K. See you in 2016 on this issue, if you think the American people can wait that long. Though there’s no guarantee the GOP will be back then, if they’re hanging their hats on the likes of Sarah Palin.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:43 pm110.Support continues to grow for Sarah Palin For President in 2012 from conservatives across the nation who do not trust the GOP establishment.
Hey, I’m all for her splitting the party. Then we’d have one reasonable party to work with the Dems, until the Dems themselves split along the Blue Dog fault line. Four parties. That’d be a good start toward change.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:46 pmDmac: As I’ve said, keep up with the news. I get really annoyed having to baby-sit on blogs.
Use “The Google” as your boy Bush would sayYou should know this stuff, no matter what side of the debate you’re on.
Michelle Obama/ape comment:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/south-carolina-goper-apologizes-for-calling-michelle-obama-a-gorilla—-and-says-she-started-it.php?ref=fpblg
Barack Obama, compared to monkey:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29263781/
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:52 pmDRJ: The unemployment numbers are expected to peak early next year. So, we have a ways to go.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 9:54 pmHe laid out a series of things that Thatcher did, that if Palin would also do, could make her better situated for a run later on down the line
He’s wrong. That’s what I pointed out. Thatcher did those things and was still Margaret Thatcher at the end of it. Palin can do those things and will still be Palin and will still be held in dim view by most reasonable Americans. Thatcher had more going in.
Did Thatcher whine about the media constantly? I don’t recall.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:00 pmSPQR: I wouldn’t call my projections rosy. They’re not even that adventurous. A number of economists have predicted a turnaround next year.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:03 pmJeez, I wonder why this TLE is so focused on this topic with so many posts? Hmmm.
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:05 pmAs for Marc Cooper’s offer, I agree Palin has very little chance on the grounds that “even Republicans aren’t that dumb.”
But mainly, as I’ve said, the GOP does a good job of picking its best shot at winning the presidency.
There are two scenarios, however, where she might get the nomination (and which is why I would never say never).
First, if Obama is strong, the GOP may want to “burn off” one of their lesser lights in an unwinnable election, a la Bob Dole vs. Clinton. The leading candidate for this is Mitt Romney, but who knows how things will look in 2012.
Second,to paraphrase Roger Simon, the GOP, the base of which is intent on burning off the moderates (Spector, the Maine women, Crist, etc.), is steadily being whittled down to an angry white dwarf, one of the last states of a collapsed star. If there are just white, Southern-based Ditto-heads left and running the party, Palin has the best shot. Those are her people.
But the party would be headed for oblivion.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:11 pmI think all the posts has a bit to do with this:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/analysis-july-has-been-disaster-for-obama-hill-dems-2009-07-27.html
I mean, since we all need such baby-sitting right now.
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:13 pmMikeK: Uh, thanks for your profile, but that’s not what we were discussing.
I do find it interesting that you deningrate Hillary and praise Palin when the former is an obvious example of real leadership. I think she got 97 senate votes for confirmation to Secretary of State. I have learned to look beneath the rhetoric. She is respected on both sides of the aisle. Palin would not get Senate confirmation for anything important, even if there were a GOP majority.
The inability to acknowledge when your side is lacking is the definition of blind partisanship.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:21 pmEric: Maybe “all the posts” have a little to do with responding to people who address me directly. Isn’t that kind of how blogs are supposed to work?
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:30 pmYou just keep on fightin’ the power, Myron!
But my favorite part is how often you criticize others for things that you do! Particularly your comments on “blind partisanship.”
This is why people call you a troll. You cannot be unaware of your own epic levels of hypocrisy.
But then, you just post to pick fights. As I say, give yourself a power salute in the mirror and type away!
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:32 pmOK. I’m out of here. Nice chatting with you Palin-o-philes (and others). Hey, if those of you who adore her prove right and she turns out to be the real deal, I’ll be eating crow in 2012 or 2016 or 2020, or whenever she comes into her own as the next Reagan/Thatcher/Churchill/G. Washington.
I’ll swing back by tomorrow for any mop-up snark.
Until then, see ya later unless I see ya first.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:35 pmParticularly your comments on “blind partisanship.”
Hmm. Seems I criticized my side on this very thread. Yes, I’m a blind partisan indeed.
I’m sure you missed it in your zeal to typecast me to cover for your own uncritical thinking.
Tsk Tsk. We see through you, Mr. Blair. Even your friends.
Now, on THAT note, I’m out of here.
Myron (88d458) — 7/27/2009 @ 10:39 pmAgain, I think Myron is worried about how things have gone during the past week for Hope and Change, Inc. The polls in particular.
But then, that is why he posts here, I think. Gotta change the subject, to take his mind off of it.
And the projection remains epic. I particularly like how he barely holds onto civility, but cannot help but allow the glimpses of contempt to sneak out from his toga of supposed fair mindedness.
Fight the power, Myron!
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:02 pmMyron, if Sarah Palin was able to garner massive bipartisan support in Alaska, pre mccain, and her governing has been quite moderate from judicial selections to corruption fixing, then why do you insist that she’s only able to represent a tiny fraction of one party?
Seems to me that she’s been typecast as extremely socially conservative, when she’s honestly pretty damn mainstream.
As to your remarks about the GOP being a white dwarf collapsed star, I think that’s hilarious. The democrats have blown it and the polls prove it. The most reliable poll, Ras, puts Sarah in a tie with Obama, when Obama’s been campaigning steady for years and Palin’s simply been attacked non stop.
At the end of the day, the GOP is only relevant because Obama has massively destroyed the economy he inherited. They do need to improve their game. But Palin has a proven ability to reach across the aisle. That’s something we haven’t seen from Obama, so that makes her a major threat.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/27/2009 @ 11:53 pmFact: No other Alaska governor has come close to squandering so much of their tax dollars on legal defense and travel expenses.
That line fromthis thread, way up above, really gets the point across. The left really has no interest in a sincere debate with Palin about policy.
Never mind that Palin’s predecessor bought a freaking jet, and Palin sold it on ebay, or that Palin’s ethics probes, the ones that prove she’s one of the cleanest politicians in our history, were brought on by democrats and her defense was hardly squandering if she didn’t instigate and she won every time.
Every time someone out there digs into an attack on Palin and learn it’s completely a lie, they either weaken their resolve against her or strengthen their resolve for her. I honestly don’t think Obama can mount a serious attack on her.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/28/2009 @ 12:09 amI do find it interesting that you deningrate Hillary and praise Palin when the former is an obvious example of real leadership. I think she got 97 senate votes for confirmation to Secretary of State.
That deserves a big laugh. For you to be gushing over a dishonest flake like Hillary, and claiming that Ms Dodging Sniper Fire is somehow emblematic of good leadership (assuming you don’t mean her being highly skilled in, for example, the art of professional enabler-ism to her sleazy — and disbarred — old man), while thumbing your nose at Palin, is the height of absurdity, the essence of irony.
You’d come off better if you’d at least say something like: “I prefer any liberal, no matter whom, no matter what, to any conservative.” That statement at least would be on-target and honest.
I have learned to look beneath the rhetoric.
Coming from someone like you — who does contortionist routines and back flips to articulate a “lefty” POV — that deserves another big laugh.
Mark (411533) — 7/28/2009 @ 12:28 amThat deserves a big laugh.
It really does.
Hillary is extremely polarizing, but has never had the kind of assaults on her family Palin has had. The mild attacks on Chelsea just don’t compare to the Letterman attack alone.
Hillary married some dude. That is her main accomplishment that got her SecState (which she’s awful at so far), Senate (her state says she stabbed them in the back), and First Lady (she even made a mess of that).
Palin had a successful business. She ran for office to clean up government, and succeeded. She screwed up several interviews (even granting them on their terms was a mistake Hillary wouldn’t have made), but Hillary is simply at a lower level than Palin, a true feminist.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/28/2009 @ 12:39 amHillary? Leadership? Good Allah. Biden is.a scholar too, right? Teh One speaks well without TOTUS.
Look, Myron. You were wrong wrong wrong wrong when you said I was a Palin supporter.
You are far more invested in denigrating someone that now does not hold elective office, but obviously scares the Holy Jeebus out of you.
If you want to learn more about Thatcher, ask IMP. He ived in her district while growing up.
Myron is a good foot soldier for Teh Narrative. It is strong in this one.
JD (071163) — 7/28/2009 @ 4:43 amCan anyone do something about that on-off switch on Myron ? I fear what today brings when he wakes up.
The fixation on Palin is an interesting phenomenon and I have wondered about it. I think some of it has to do with her good looks at age 45. Some of it has to do with the birth of Trig which has transfixed bareback rider Andrew Sullivan. What could be more threatening to the abortion movement than a woman who knowingly has a child with Down’s syndrome? Her lifestyle of working on fishing boats and hunting game has made her an exotic in the phony world of the Georgetown cocktail party.
Hillary began her rise to fame with a cattle futures trade; a bit of a contrast with working on an Alaskan fishing boat. Hillary had parents well off enough to put her through private college (albeit with reasonable tuition rates in those days). Hillary has a figure that could do with some running and maybe working on fishing boats would help her appearance in pants suits.
Anyway, the Palin phenomenon has been even more educational than the Gates interaction with a poised Cambridge policeman. Maybe a populist revolt is coming.
Mike K (2cf494) — 7/28/2009 @ 5:34 am“Myron, if Sarah Palin was able to garner massive bipartisan support in Alaska, pre mccain, and her governing has been quite moderate from judicial selections to corruption fixing, then why do you insist that she’s only able to represent a tiny fraction of one party?”
Because whatever happened before her run for the WH, since then she had painted herself as a conservative, not a moderate. Which is easy because no one was paying much attention to the event in Alaska before that.
“I read all of the comments to this point. Most miss the point. Palin speaks from the heart, Obama from a teleprompter. Palin speaks of what she believes. If Obama did that he would be run out of town. Sarah Palin quit a job to run for Governor. That did not seem to be a detriment. I suggest those who want to believe Palin’s speeches are broken or incoherent. Notice how she gives a speech. She looks at the people she is speaking to, rarely referring to notes. When you believe what you speak, you do not need notes. Obama, on the other hand, head tossing this way and that as he switches between teleprompters, is but the voice of unknown authors. But facts are facts and Sarah Palin scares the hell out of the left. She should. If she runs, she will win. In the end, the truth always wins.”
NO, no it doesn’t. In the end, people vote for he person who says what they want to hear. Every candiate I’ve ever seen who speaks truth gets his ass kicked come election time.
And making good eye contact is not going to get anyone elected.
These comparisons to Thatcher are pretty laughable. I remember Maggie Thatcher, I watched Maggie Thatcher, and she’s no Maggie Thatcher.
As for Quayle, if it was only 1 or 2 gaffes and misstatements that would be one thing, but the guywas a one-man goof factory every time he opened his mouth.
JEA (b4350b) — 7/28/2009 @ 6:35 amAnother incapable of differentiating between laying out a path that Palin needs to follow, like Thatcher, and comparing Palin to Thatcher. That would be an EPIC fail in reading comprehension on your SAT’s.
Let us compare and contrast Quayle and Biden, shall we?
JD (e0ced2) — 7/28/2009 @ 6:39 amI get really annoyed having to baby-sit on blogs.
And yet here you are, sweetheart. Why the big frowny face? Something firmly lodged up your keyster these days?
is steadily being whittled down to an angry white dwarf,
I think Myron is doing some real good projection there. But what’s hilarious are the links he provided me – yes, offering up those awesome objective news sources like MSNBC will always put folks like me firmly in my place. What’s next Myron – diaries from that noted news icon Koz?
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/28/2009 @ 7:21 amDmac, Palin sure gets the Left crazy. And the part that is sad is that they attack Palin while giving a “pass” to Biden. You know that they are aware of this and it just drives them up a wall.
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/28/2009 @ 7:25 amOK. Nothing worth addressing here since last night. As for the respective prospects for the two parties, time will tell. We can argue all day and into the night on this blog, but we’ll see if the GOP strategy of hostility to minorities, ignoring real problems and butting into people’s personal lives pays off. I’m audi.
Yours, Myron
Myron (88d458) — 7/28/2009 @ 8:10 am“Let us compare and contrast Quayle and Biden, shall we?”
Exactly what IS there to contrast?
JEA (b4350b) — 7/28/2009 @ 5:39 pm