[Guest post by DRJ]
Many Patterico fans travel for work or pleasure so take note of the T.S.A.’s new Secure Flight Program, which as of yesterday requires that airline travelers’ reservations match their full names as they appear on the government issued identification they will be traveling with.
In addition, effective August 15, 2009, passengers will be required to enter their date of birth and gender when booking airline flights.
— DRJ
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“enter their date of birth and gender when booking airline flights”
Lovey – When is your next flight, honey?
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 5/16/2009 @ 3:00 pmI always wonder why these relatively simple requirements take years (and not months) to put into effect. My wife has worked at American for over 20 years as a flight attendant, and the holes in security operations around the country’s airports (especially O’Hare) are still quite apparent to the flight crews today. And why not require a traveler’s SS number as well?
Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/16/2009 @ 3:22 pmNext, checkpoints on the Interstates to make sure that people aren’t driving too long at a stretch. Make sure your papers are in order folks… unless it’s to vote.
Stashiu3 (460dc1) — 5/16/2009 @ 3:25 pmWhat if their gender has changed since the issuance of the ID, or they are in the process of changing?
Security theatre, and it’s not even good farce.
htom (412a17) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:00 pmSpeaking of boots to the head, I’d be fine with taking my shoes off in the airport if I got to kick the shoe bomber in his skinny butt. Once for each foot…
I am (maybe) inconvenienced by this rule because my credit card info is different from my passport… changing all of my info with the bank feels like a nightmare in the making.
My US passport scanned at the ticketing kiosk should be enough.
SteveG (c99c5c) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:03 pmBut hey – we can’t ask for gov. issued I.D. from voters – that would disenfranchise too many people!!
DaveS (18ca1a) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:15 pmStash, my father told me a story about some of the toll roads in Oklahoma that meshes with your comment. You get a card when you enter that toll road. You need to turn the card in again when you exit. By simple division, they know how far you have driven, over a given amount of time. Thus, your speed.
And they’ll ticket you for speeding based on that.
My father swears this is true. Me, I wouldn’t know.
Off to Philadelphia tomorrow. I’ll try to at least look at a cheese steak. But I am not looking forward to all the TSA business.
Thanks, jihadists!
Eric Blair (262ccd) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:27 pmDave S. you example is another exhibit in my “that’s different” file from the Progressive Left.
Eric Blair (262ccd) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:29 pmVoting is a Constitutional right, flying is not. That’s why we do not have to show ID to vote, but we do to fly.
Males sense to me.
Huh?
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:33 pmThis policy is obviously RACIST and JINGOISTIC!
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:35 pmThis is going to be a pain in the arse for me. I travel, constantly. My passport has John David on it. My state drivers license JD. I guess I will have to carry both, and when I hand my boarding pass to the TSA person, ask them which I’d they will need to see. That ought to work out just swell.
JD (4249e2) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:36 pmJD – They have a lot of Mensa members working there so you should not have any problems.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:38 pmThe TSA is really “security theater” as Bruce Schneier describes it. Its purpose is not to increase your security but to increase the illusion of security.
SPQR (e2ac88) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:46 pmIn the near future, small differences between the passenger’s ID and the passenger’s reservation information, such as the use of a middle initial instead of a full middle name or no middle name/initial at all, will not be an issue for passengers. Over time, passengers should strive to obtain consistency between the name on their government issued ID and the travel information they use for booking flights.
I never use my middle name when booking flights. Does this mean I can continue to not use my middle name even though it’s on my passport AND my driver’s license or I DO need to add my middle name when booking flights? I’m glad these rules are so clear.
wherestherum (d413fd) — 5/16/2009 @ 4:49 pmAs lovie would state, do not dare jump to conclusions about TSA đ
JD (4249e2) — 5/16/2009 @ 5:02 pmThey are from the government and they are there to help you.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 5/16/2009 @ 5:03 pmIt might be easier if everyone just changed their legal names to match the airlines’ records.
I’m joking, but I know someone whose name was listed incorrectly by the IRS and it took so long to straighten it out that he actually thought about changing his legal name to match the IRS records.
DRJ (f55947) — 5/16/2009 @ 5:06 pm“Lessee here, hmmm.”
“Yup, it all matches. Have a great flight Mr…”
“Is it pronounced Bin Layden?”
Apogee (e2dc9b) — 5/16/2009 @ 5:11 pmIf memory serves, back in the ’70s, Indiana and Ohio both had the timecard system on the I-80 toll road. At least in Indiana, I used the rest areas to burn a few minutes. I’d suspect that getting people to stop and buy something was part of the plan.
Out here in the County Currently Known as Red (in a blue/purple state), we have a few miles of 4 lane highways, mostly 2 with the odd passing lane. No tolls.
Red County Pete (7bf087) — 5/16/2009 @ 6:41 pmAnd what about over the phone reservations? I’ve had travel agents mess up my name as well, often they don’t even ask how to spell it just go with a best guess. And I fly every three weeks or so.
Soronel Haetir (a3f11b) — 5/16/2009 @ 7:02 pmI fly almost weekly, and the people that handle my travel arrangements, who practically know me by the sound of my voice, rarely use the same spelling 2 times in a row.
JD (4249e2) — 5/16/2009 @ 7:07 pmJack Booted thugs – next they’ll require that we leave our explosives at home
EricPWJohnson (5a9fef) — 5/16/2009 @ 7:59 pmThis is a consequence of the (horribly managed) watch list. The list is so imprecise that for every person that is on the list for good reason, there are hundreds of folks who are routinely subjected to hostile screening every time they fly. So they want better ID.
Of course, one could argue that this means we don’t need the list if it’s that badly administered, but that’s not the way government works. They add control, never subtract it.
Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 5/16/2009 @ 10:31 pmBy the way, I’m willing to bet that, within 10 years, that “government-issued ID” will be federal, and carry an electronic record of a fingerprint or other biometric.
Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 5/16/2009 @ 10:38 pmAs I was waiting in line at immigration at O’Hare recently, I looked into the ‘trusted traveler’ program. I am actually considering it.
What would be great would be if they could place US immigration in some key foreign airports, like Mexico City, and we could pre-clear before we board. Then, just land at a domestic terminal. That’s how it works from Toronto and it’s great.
My middle name is in Danish, and it’s on my passport. This should be fun!
carlitos (aa025a) — 5/16/2009 @ 11:15 pmKevin, you may be right, but voters will not need to show them!
Eric Blair (262ccd) — 5/17/2009 @ 12:41 amGender type? this will be on hold while the courts debate how many gender types are not on the approved list.
davod (bce08f) — 5/17/2009 @ 4:26 am“Papieren Bitte!”
Horatio (55069c) — 5/17/2009 @ 7:19 amCarlitos, don’t they have the “premier security screening” program at other airports like Denver, where frequent business travelers voluntarily submit their fingerprints for quicker security passage? I would love that program, and it would seem to solve many of the anticipated problems with increased requirements for passenger verification.
Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/17/2009 @ 7:26 amSpeaking of government ID, my original Social Security card had printed on it “Not to be used for identification.” That was the law when SS passed enacted. I wonder if that was ever legally changed ?
Mike K (2cf494) — 5/17/2009 @ 8:02 amWell, we’ve already tanked the auto industry. Might as well go ahead and tank the airline industry, too.
Maybe this is the Obama Administration’s way of forcing everybody to take the train. Me, I think I’ll drive everywhere from now on, spewing CO2 into the air everywhere I go.
PatHMV (a00c3c) — 5/17/2009 @ 8:30 amMy aunt was refused admission to the GRE once because her test form had her full name (Barbara Ellen X), but her driver’s license only showed the name she normally uses, Ellen X.
Yeah, this is going to work SO well.
In my last post, I blamed this, tongue in cheek, on the Obama Administration, but it’s worse than that. Preparation for this policy undoubtedly began during the Bush Administration. And that means that it’s the brainchild of the PERMANENT employees at Homeland Security. The politicians won’t stop it, because, hey, what political appointee wants to take the risk of going against the recommendations of the professional career staff on an issue like airline security? Meanwhile, the political appointees light the fire under the career staff to DO SOMETHING, so they’ll look busy and productive, so the security staff recommends crap like this.
PatHMV (a00c3c) — 5/17/2009 @ 8:35 amI know that if you’re off significantly (your time suggesting over 10 mph over the limit) you can get a ticket, but if you just for 70 over a 65 mph stretch, they generally ignore you. At least they do in KS…
Or, book the flight as JD when it’s domestic, John David if it’s international, and only carry one of the two IDs. The system won’t “know” your passport says “John David” if you aren’t using the ID.
Scott Jacobs (90ff96) — 5/17/2009 @ 8:37 amSee, this makes me wanna change my name to “Zorgoth Star-Eater”, just for a few weeks, so I can enjoy the looks I get from the security checkpoints…
Scott Jacobs (90ff96) — 5/17/2009 @ 8:40 amYou might not to have that name during boot camp.
carlitos (aa025a) — 5/17/2009 @ 8:48 am…but perhaps his DI will.
Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/17/2009 @ 9:05 am“Maybe this is the Obama Administrationâs way of forcing everybody to take the train.”
Secure flight’s been around for a while.
imdw (05d41e) — 5/17/2009 @ 9:43 amIs imdw trying to be a seconf-rate alphie?
JD (a51115) — 5/17/2009 @ 9:52 amI’d give a second look at Malcolm’s mom, too.
Dave N (b8d5e9) — 5/17/2009 @ 10:00 amthis sounds like it was designed by the Nigerian branch of the TSA:
redc1c4 (9c4f4a) — 5/17/2009 @ 10:03 amNext they will want the credit card number or bank account you paid for the flight from….. %-)
imdw,
As I understand it, elements of the Secure Flight Program were previously implemented by the airline carriers so part of this change is that now TSA is in charge.
DRJ (f55947) — 5/17/2009 @ 10:21 am“As I understand it, elements of the Secure Flight Program were previously implemented by the airline carriers so part of this change is that now TSA is in charge.”
The final rules for this change were published last October. At the beginning of the text you’ll note this change was required in a law from 2004.
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/secureflight_final_rule.pdf
If this is a plan to force people to take the train, it’s owned by much more than Obama.
imdw (017d51) — 5/17/2009 @ 11:02 amI think someone missed the definition of sarcasm here.
Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/17/2009 @ 11:10 amAnd yet if we simply stopped letting people with “Hussain” or “Mohammed” into the country, then we could avoid all of this. But I guess it is better to inconvenience 300 million people rather than make a bunch of primatives feel picked on.
Of course, now my wife, with her married name on her US docs and her maiden name on her Ukrainian docs is screwed.
smarty (6d832b) — 5/17/2009 @ 12:19 pm“And yet if we simply stopped letting people with âHussainâ or âMohammedâ into the country, then we could avoid all of this”
“Comment by smarty”
Boy talk about not living up to your name.
imdw (017d51) — 5/17/2009 @ 5:14 pm