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It’s always interesting to me that some of the people who most despise racism seem driven to stereotype in response. Life experience is great. How that relates to skin color or group identity is not an absolute.

Most of my Left of center friends would tell me that Clarence Thomas does not have a “…richness of experience that would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” for example.

Melanin isn’t as important as alphabet—D versus R—I suspect.

Eric Blair (33cc23) — 5/6/2009 @ 9:13 pm

As we are seeing, and will soon see in another venue, elections do indeed have consequences.

_sigh_

ManlyDad (506a95) — 5/6/2009 @ 9:17 pm

i went to lunch with an old Army friend the other day, and one of his coworkers.

she was getting out of the car, leaving my friend and i while she mailed something, and said “you and your white boy friend…” (they’re both black)so i snapped.

“who you calling boy? if you see a boy here, you better knock him down….”

she backed off most ricky tick, and my friend was most understanding. he was the one that clued me into the real definition of NAACP.

what’s really amusing, in a sad way, it the institutionalized racism between blacks and latinos here in LA.

redc1c4 (9c4f4a) — 5/6/2009 @ 9:25 pm

You know, there is a reason those statues of justice wear a blindfold.

I can’t wait for the trolls come along to tell me why I’m wrong.

Ag80 (b683da) — 5/6/2009 @ 10:04 pm

I found the style of the quoted material annoying — I’m not sure what to make of locutions like a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague .

However, most of her references point to the influence of experience on decisions — at bottom, not a very startling view.

Tim McGarry (9fe080) — 5/6/2009 @ 10:16 pm

Tim,
not startling perhaps but disturbing. A judge should interpret the law. The jury should decide truth. Only the judge’s experience in interpreting the law should influence their decisions. The degree to which judges are not interchangeable is a demonstration of the weakness or corruption of our judicial system.

Machinist (c5fc28) — 5/6/2009 @ 10:21 pm

“And that is why the image of lady Justice is blindfolded – for surely she would WEEP at the sight of the facts in the case at bar…….”

What is Sotomayor anyway? Latina? What the hell does that mean? And why diss white people? As if Latin America is a beacon of clean government and compassion – an Athens to our Tijuana. And don’t get me started on Coups – although I reserve the right to revisit this topic.

Californio (6657ce) — 5/6/2009 @ 10:58 pm

Oh, hell, stop with all this diversity-matters or racial-this, racial-that, or personal-experience-counts nonsense. Ultimately, the only thing that is most crucial to people like Sotomayor is a person’s ideology. IOW, I bet Sotomayor would prefer a judiciary and legislature (on any level, state and federal) that were 100% Anglo-white but ALSO liberal-leftist than a judiciary and legislature that were both 100% rightist (or even truly centrist) and Latino.

And you can be quite sure that someone like the guy now in the White House would be pining for the days of tokenism and racial discrimination if the US Supreme Court suddenly were made up of 9 justices whose racial background and, most importantly, philosophy, were along the lines of a Clarence Thomas.

Mark (411533) — 5/7/2009 @ 12:36 am

Ha ha, more of the same. You Casper Milquetoasts keep whining about ‘race-blind’ this and that while the ‘people of color’ keep stealing the country your ancestors built. There is only one response, organize *as* white Euroamericans and push back.
But no, you’ll sit there bitching about ‘affirmative action’ and going on about how school vouchers will make all those ghetto and barrio kids little Newtons or Edisons.

horace (dcc326) — 5/7/2009 @ 2:34 am

Horace, we don’t care what color the new justice is. Not one bit. However, choosing someone BECAUSE of their race IS racism. We care a heck of a lot about that.

Vivian Louise (c0f830) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:50 am

horace – Is the concept of school vouchers limited to race? You’re an idiot. It threatens the teaching establishment which is why Obama is against it.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 5/7/2009 @ 5:32 am

Ha ha, more of the same.

What you haven’t figured out yet is that you have decided to participate here in a multiracial forum. And your bigotry is every bit as offensive as anybody else’s racism to the rest of us.

Take your hatred off to someplace that wants it, because you aren’t welcomed here.

EW1(SG) (5766f7) — 5/7/2009 @ 5:50 am

Melanin isn’t as important as alphabet—D versus R—I suspect.

And on that point, Eric, you a right.

The response to Carrie Prejean and President Obama on the issue of gay marriage demonstrates this point, as did the NOW support for President Clinton.

tyree (ff9b38) — 5/7/2009 @ 6:33 am

Hey EW1(SG)

I have no problem with the blog owners banning me, but unless you are a sock puppet for one of them I don’t think that its your call.

Having said that, I think it would be unjust as I have not called anyone names, except silly conservatives. I am merely pointed out the conventional race-blind ‘conservative’ position is useless. It hasn’t ended antiwhite discrimination. What you don’t seem to realize, EW1 and others is that the game has changed. In multiethnic societies there are always conflicts over resources and power, and the ethnic/racial group that doesn’t organize themselves gets screwed.

As for those of you who don’t think vouchers are another program aimed overwhelmingly at minority students, try a websearch on ‘voucher’ and ‘minority’. Or check out this link from ‘the Corner’
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGM2Yjk2MTBmYjM3YTkzOGU0ZTNjZjc3Mzc0NWE1NjM=

Somehow there are no white kids rallying for vouchers in DC. Or as far as I know anywhere else. Not a whole heck of a lot of call for vouchers in Boise.

horace (dcc326) — 5/7/2009 @ 6:35 am

RACISTS!!!

JD (c8f5e6) — 5/7/2009 @ 6:42 am

I always find it amusing that people what obsess over people’s skin color are considered racially enlightened abd people who could not care less what race people are are called racists.

Odd, that.

JD (c8f5e6) — 5/7/2009 @ 6:53 am

I actually enjoy the “experience” business as a justification. If being an oppressed minority helps one as a judge…well, then, Clarence Thomas is doubly qualified. Oppressed for being African American and for being conservative.

But, you see, that is different.

It’s more Alphabetical Supremacy: D versus R.

Eric Blair (33cc23) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:06 am

My kid is a minority I guess. Thankfully, he’s in Catholic school, but if he went to the public school here, he’d be the only white kid, along with one asian and two mexicans. Thanks to 40 years of Democrat-run public education in Chicago, all the white kids in the city go to magnet schools or private schools. Obama somehow didn’t manage to fix that during his local tenure, so I am not surprised about his position on DC vouchers. He’d much rather have those black kids fail in the public schools. That’s his position, and his record on the subject.

{Teachers Union $ > poor black kids}

carlitos (027922) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:08 am

Hortense once again proves his ignorance about our commentariat – Vivian and Carlitos are both of Hispanic origin (if memory serves) – yet they’re not in lockstep with the race baiters currently on display. Thus in Hortense’s narrow worldview, they’re traitors to their race.

Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:11 am

By Obama’s logic, he should nominate Dana over Sotomayor. Her background includes several minority groups, including Native American. She trumps all the oppression cards!

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:16 am

Thanks to 40 years of Democrat-run public education in Chicago, all the white kids in the city go to magnet schools or private schools

But how would Hortense even know about that little problem, since Obama’s darlings have never entered a public school doorway in their lives. Nothing but the most exclusive clubs for teh precious’s offspring, but as for the rest of the scum, let ’em eat cake.

Hortense, why did Obama feel the need to protect his children so strenuously from the evil public schools? Please remember that this began when he was nothing but a local community organizer, and not even a state senator at the beginning of their private school educations. The answer should be illuminating.

Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:16 am

As Judge Sotomayor explained in a 2002 speech at Berkeley, she believes it is appropriate for a judge to consider their “experiences as women and people of color” in their decision making, which she believes should “affect our decisions.”

I bet this would be good for juries, too! Like, say, OJ’s.

Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:43 am

Another triumph for pure emotion over cold – based logic and science. No better way to permanently infantilize an entire culture as quickly as possible.

Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:59 am

How many public schools did Barcky attend?

JD (c8f5e6) — 5/7/2009 @ 8:44 am

At least Amy Carter when to DC public schools.

The point of the voucher program is that ANY parent in ANY location can use the voucher to send their children to ANY school.

Vivian Louise (eeeb3a) — 5/7/2009 @ 9:20 am

I’m sure Vivian and Carlitos are fine folks. But take a look at

1) how most ‘Latinos’ vote
2) the political positions of the vast majority of their own people that they elect.
3) 94% of blacks voted for Obama, and black turnout was particularly high
4) Colin Powell, a man who owes his entire post-military career to the Republican party, endorsed Obama. And ‘dissed’ Sarah Palin.
5) Conda… Rice, yet another black that was mentored and groomed by those evil white Republican males, was positively giddy at the 5 November State Dept. presser, because Obama won.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she voted for him.

The Thomas Sowells and Michele Malkins of this world are few and far between, my friends.

horace (411ef0) — 5/7/2009 @ 9:35 am

Conda… Rice. . .I wouldn’t be surprised if she voted for him.

That’s funny, I think Buckley Jr. voted for Obama as well.

What’s his excuse?

Apogee (e2dc9b) — 5/7/2009 @ 11:45 am

horace,
Given your views, please do not call me your friend.

Machinist (c5fc28) — 5/7/2009 @ 11:47 am

Too bad, Vivian Louise and carlitos: horace has calculated your political views according to demographics.

Your actual political views as stated here don’t matter, because we all know that judging people as members of groups is so much more accurate than judging them as individuals. Why, horace might have had to ask you directly what you believe! How silly.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (0d19ee) — 5/7/2009 @ 11:59 am

#6

No two human beings are completely interchangeable.

It’s probably worth pointing out that Sotomayor would bring with her to the Court the experience of five years as a prosecutor and 16 years on the bench, in addition to her experiences early in life.

Tim McGarry (9fe080) — 5/7/2009 @ 12:17 pm

#30,
Of course you are right, Sir. I do think that our system requires that we strive for that ideal in our judges for the system to work properly. Her professional experience is desirable in that it hopefully gives her insight and wisdom in reading and applying the law. Her personal experience would more likely foster prejudice. No one but horace would want a judge who’s early like experience had taught him that black people were all lazy and dishonest. Bigotry against white people is just as bad and that seems to be what she offers when she refers to this. I could be misreading.

Machinist (c5fc28) — 5/7/2009 @ 12:32 pm

Our founders went to great lengths to make us a nation ruled by law, not by men.

Machinist (c5fc28) — 5/7/2009 @ 12:38 pm

Horace, the Sowells, Malkins, Carlitos and mes aren’t few and far between. We are many.

Horace does have a point on the whole, though. I confess to be endlessly baffled by what appears to be the majority of black voters walking together in lock step. Same with Latino voters.

That doesn’t discount Carlitos and me, and those other less famous people mentioned in this post. It just means that logic doesn’t guide the standard American voter.

Vivian Louise (eeeb3a) — 5/7/2009 @ 12:55 pm

Hortense, you were asked a direct question earlier, yet danced away from it ASAP.

Hortense, why did Obama feel the need to protect his children so strenuously from the evil public schools?

Please answer the question.

Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/7/2009 @ 1:18 pm

For the record, I’m Scandinavian-American, if I must be hyphenated. I have spent a lot of time working in Latin America. I speak fluent Spanish, and long ago my wife, along with most of my friends and co-workers started calling me Carlos or Carlitos. So I guess I’m “Latino” by choice, rather than by birth. Only in America.

My white kid is adopted and not latino either, although given the demographics of our area, most of his friends are Latino or black. When I said he was a “minority” it was because, in the public schools by us, he would be the only white kid.

carlitos (027922) — 5/7/2009 @ 1:28 pm

So long as Carlitos doesn’t attempt to lecture me on the true expression of being (well…, ME) I don’t care what he calls himself. However, imagine if he called himself “black by choice…”

suuuuure you are. And re: an earlier post – ha ha ha ha – “people of color stealing the land my forefathers built..” Look at my name. The people who stole “my” land were white – and it is getting stolen back by ignorant illiterate peasants – Which does not make me feel any better.

[ of course, strictly speaking my ancestors took it from the sparcely populated indian population – but we had a legal paper from the King of Spain authorizing this – so it was legal.)

Californio (cab6bd) — 5/7/2009 @ 2:00 pm

Interesting point Californio, and I promise not to lecture you on anything in any language 🙂 Reminds me of the movie, The Commitments – “I’m Black and I’m Proud!”

This whole categorization thing is a joke anyway. Watch an NBA game, and tell me what “color” the players are, compared to the inhabitants of sub-Saharan Africa. We in the USA are all going to be a nice shade of mocha latte in 100 years. I read somewhere that, after several generations of breeding, mature populations of wild cats are almost all the same color of gray.

carlitos (027922) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:17 pm

“… mature populations of wild cats are almost all the same color of gray.”

Which could also be a survival trait, since a mottled-gray color will blend in with most backgrounds – the other colors might not hang around long enough to reproduce.

AD - RtR/OS! (5b2e4f) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:30 pm

Carlitos – my little angels gave what we call a perma-tan 😉

JD (c8f5e6) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:31 pm

Vivian Louise actually gets it.

Californio, at least the original Californios put up a fight. I am a ‘conservative’, I think its cool there are still some families around who trace their lineage to pre-American California. I’d like to think that if I was around in 1846, I’d take the Californio side. Here’s a pretty cool site

http://sfgenealogy.com/spanish/cen1790.htm

Carlitos, I also speak Spanish, learned at school, university and then stationed in Spain. Speak with an Spanish, and on my better days, Andalucian accent. I actually like Hispanic culture, but with what, 10-12-15 Hispanic countries in the hemisphere, I don’t really think we need any more. But that’s the way the demographics are going, and everyone from La Raza president Cecelia Muñoz to the LAT’s Gregorio Rodriguez knows it and likes it.

Dmac, Obama sent his kids to Sidwll because it has good students, and DC public schools have bad ones. That has a lot to do with the racial breakdown of the schools. Blacks, for whatever reason, lag behind whites in academic achievement. Blacks, for whatever reason, commit a lot more violent crime proportionately than whites, as I am sure the blogowner will attest.

So I don’t get outraged at Obama’s hypocrisy. If I were him, I’d want my daughters in a school that was 61% white, and no doubt with a lot of Asians and foreign elites sending their kids there, I’d venture something less than 20% African-American vs. 90% for D.C. schools. And I bet a lot, a whole lot, of the ‘talented tenth’ of black kids in DC have gotten vacuumed up by Sidwell and other institutions like it already — they all have their own scholarships and no doubt love the ‘diversity’.

or the 2008-2009 school year, 1,097 students (553 boys and 544 girls) are enrolled. Thirty nine percent of the student body are students of color. Twenty-two percent of the student body receive almost $5 million of need-based financial assistance. The School employs 145 teachers and 103 administrative and support staff. Tuitions for the 2008-2009 school year are $28,442 (prekindergarten-grade 4) and $29,442 (grades 5-12).

http://www.sidwell.edu

No vouchers are going to cover that kind of money, BTW.

Barry’s actions illustrate my hypothesis perfectly. When young Barry was seeking power, he gravitated to the traditional center of power in the black community, i.e. the Church. We see what he learned there. And Rev. Wright’s church I expect is about 99.99% black, 99.98% black when Fr. Pflegler. He built his power center among his own. Now he’s not only ‘up in the big leagues’, he’s running them, so he naturally takes advantage of an institution built by and large by white folks — in this case real ‘old stock’ Yankee white folk. Heck, its sort of a microcosm of what has happened to the country.

@Macinist ‘Given your views, please do not call me your friend’

Funny, that’s the way I used to feel about McCain.

hortense (aka horace) (411ef0) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:37 pm

Machinist – It is my job to note the racists around here, but thanks for your help. We established that about horace some time ago.

JD (c8f5e6) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:50 pm

Horace=Moby.

Best one I’ve seen yet, but a Moby.

Phil Smith (1cf25d) — 5/7/2009 @ 3:50 pm

Quote of the day:

Learning new things makes my head to hurt. Meeting new people scares me.

The Emperor7 (0c8c2c) — 5/7/2009 @ 4:03 pm

Oooh, racist, racist, racist. Like a three year old.

I don’t get this Moby thing; I’m guessing you are refering to a current/former commentator, not the techno musician.

hortense (aka horace) (411ef0) — 5/7/2009 @ 4:09 pm

In regards to hortense: Give it a break. If it really didn’t believe that posters here think the way he wants to believe we think, it wouldn’t post.

That’s what really gets me about the trolls. They seem to believe we’re in lock-step on group-think. Sort of like “Boss” Rahm and the Breakfast Bunch.

At least they think they’re clever.

Ag80 (b683da) — 5/7/2009 @ 4:21 pm

They, the trolls and other denizens of the Left, naturally think that we on the Right march in lockstep, since in their world, independent thought is verbotten, and the heretics are cast out of the commune, and relegated to the class of non-person.
A reality that fails to match that is not to be believed, and so, they dwell in this little warp in the time-space continuum where reality is denied, and only the projection of their own fantasies is allowed to exist.
They are an interesting, yet pathetic, breed of cattle.

AD - RtR/OS! (5b2e4f) — 5/7/2009 @ 4:32 pm

Quote of the day:

The more I think the more confused I become.

The Emperor7 (0c8c2c) — 5/7/2009 @ 4:47 pm

I have no problem with the blog owners banning me, but unless you are a sock puppet for one of them I don’t think that its your call.

Not only are you a racist jackass, your reading comprehension is exceedingly low as well.

I am merely pointed out the conventional race-blind ‘conservative’ position is useless.

What you missed is that many of the commenters here, including myself, are from multiracial families. So your bigotry adds a personal dimension that is appallingly ugly.

#42 Phil Smith:

Best one I’ve seen yet, but a Moby.

No, it isn’t a Moby. It’s a genuine jackass.

EW1(SG) (5766f7) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:27 pm

Thanks, Horace. I know where you are coming from. Not hate, just realpolitik. There are things they cannot even permit themselves to think, even as the entire state is collapsing. I fear they will just leave when California’s resemblance to the Third World with all its corruption, tribalism and inefficiency is just too much to bear. They will leave because the schools aren’t “good” or their neighborhood isn’t “safe” and refuse to ask “why?”

Big Bill (cfe224) — 5/7/2009 @ 7:29 pm

Sigh. The Californios did NOT put up a fight. Read “Towers of Gold” by Frances Dinkelspiel, about Isaias Hellman, and early California finance – from Farmers and Merchants Bank, Wells Fargo et al.
page 69, 3/4 down on the page, discussing the group that cooperated in forming the first real bank for Los Angeles:

” The group of businessmen was interesting for what it didn’t represent as for what it did. There were no men of the old guard in the group, no Californios who had dominated the region for the past ninety years. It was a stark reminder of how the ruling elite of Los Angeles had turned over completely in just the twelve years since Isaias’ arrival. Most of the Californios did not successfully make the transition to American rule and an American economy.”

Right now we are in a transition phase – a new “new” economy, if you will. I am uniquely situated to insure that history doesn’t repeat itself and we miss out again.

Californio (6657ce) — 5/7/2009 @ 10:43 pm

“wise latina”…isn’t that an oxymoron.

JB (98cc83) — 5/8/2009 @ 12:52 am

Hortense’s labored explanation for Teh One’s breathtaking hypocricy is quite telling – when you have to expend reams of tortured prose and mangled logic at will, you’ve lost the game.

Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/8/2009 @ 7:13 am

Carlitos, I also speak Spanish, learned at school, university and then stationed in Spain

Even if this were true, who gives a flying fark? Why must they always throw in the usual claptrack of “as a Concerned Christian Voter and/or as someone who not only knows African Americans, but has also worked in the inner cities, etc.” in order to somehow establish their bona fides? Again, typical deflection from arguing the actual merits of the subject matter.

Dmac (1ddf7e) — 5/8/2009 @ 7:19 am

Thanks for the support Big Bill, that’s exactly it.

I the latest news, the LAT’s token ‘conservative’ J. Goldberg, the man who whines that P Buchanan engages in ‘white identity politics’ argues that the GOP should nominate a Hispanic for president. He doesn’t have one in mind, he can’t even think of a name that would fit his bill, but a Hispanic its got to be for Republican Candidate in 2012.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzlhODQzOWZkNTc5NDQxMzMzNmVjM2YzMjdiNmQ0MTY=

That’s where ‘race-blind’ , anti-(white) identity politics, neoconservatism leads.

hortense (aka horace) (c492e6) — 5/8/2009 @ 7:29 am

hortense, I know you won’t understand this as well as you should, with your castellano, but give it a whirl:

Véte a la chingada

carlitos (027922) — 5/8/2009 @ 7:37 am

Carlitos, no necesito lecciones en el español Mexicano de un cholo falso. Que eches un polvo, tio.

hortense (aka horace) (411ef0) — 5/8/2009 @ 11:31 am

LOL

carlitos (027922) — 5/8/2009 @ 12:12 pm

Mexican cussing is way better than Castilian cussing, in my opinion, but the Puerto Ricans lead the pack in terms of creativity.

carlitos (027922) — 5/8/2009 @ 12:26 pm

I’ve actually embarrassed myself here because Mexicans don’t swear as much as Spaniards, at least the ones were I lived. Its coño this and coño that all the time, even from the abuelas. Mexicans, at least the ones I know here, are more proper. . I do like the Spanish ‘ostia!’, as a swear word (the communion host). I just found out the French Canadians use the equivalent ‘osti!’.

hortense (aka horace) (dcc326) — 5/9/2009 @ 2:45 am

Meanwhile, the LAT crows about Latinos becoming a majority in Anaheim.

Anaheim’s transition from a mostly white suburb to a majority Latino city parallels the dramatic changes Southern California cities have experienced as immigration surged and communities diversified.

Now, how exactly does switching to a Latino — let’s be honest, Mexican — majority mean diversification?

Unlike Santa Ana, Maywood or Huntington Park, which have all-Latino city councils, the new majority in Anaheim has made few political gains.

…

Councilwoman Lorri Galloway attributes her reelection last fall to campaigning among Latinos in central and western Anaheim, a community she said typically has been ignored while mostly white politicians courted loyal voters in the upper-class neighborhoods in the city’s east side. That won’t be the case much longer, she suggests.

See, political power folks. Get that, all-Latino city councils Bye bye whitey. Galloway, BTW, looks like she is either part Mexican or perhaps Mexican married to an ‘Anglo’. Kinda like one Loretta Sanchez, formerly known as Loretta Brixley.

Of course the Times is overwhelmingly positive about this latest reconquest. Lucha libre! al fresco in downtown Anaheim. What could be better.

But a little reality creeps in, courtesy of ‘entrepreneur’ Jose Luis Quintana (he owns a market stall)

“It’s a suburb that’s developing into a city,” he said, sitting behind the counter, listening to a radio. “We’re a bigger population now. We’re more crowded and there’s less space.”

Read, poorer.

hortense (aka horace) (dcc326) — 5/9/2009 @ 3:30 am

Folks, I gotta agree with Horace here.

When you have open and obvious groups that are publicly celebrated like “LARAZA” – the race, NAACP, the Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus, BET, Miss Black America, etc., – based soley on RACE – who’s the real racist here?

It seems like the resurrection of Plessy v. Ferguson.

How are we as a country going to have equal justice, equal opportunity, when we continually practice double standards. Recall the New Haven firefighter case just argued before the USSC? And there are hundreds of similar type cases occurring across the country.

Further, we are being invaded by illegal aliens. What good is your citizenship, your right to vote, when it is continually given away to people who have invaded our country, have no right to be here and have violated our laws.

How can anyone contend that we have a Rule of Law – with 12-20 Million illegal aliens? Only a fool would argue that we still have a Rule of Law. How is giving these illegal aliens amnesty legitimate, when all 3 branches of gov’t (and both major parties) have failed – are a fraud? Remember the same gov’t promised in 1986 Simpson-Mizzoli (which gave 3 Million+ illeglas amnesty) was a ONE-TIME FIX.

Recall the recent 9/0 USSC case holding that illegal aliens who stole social security numbers can not be prosecuted?

Horace seems to be the only honest one here. Seems to me that too many of you are not only in denial, but are suffering from “White Guilt”.

Sqwauking (cb1900) — 5/9/2009 @ 8:50 am

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