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5/6/2009

Miss California/Perez Hilton Copyright Update

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:42 am



A quick update on that Perez Hilton copyright flap.

The National Organization for Marriage, whose 3-second clip of Perez Hilton prompted the serial copyright violator to threaten a bogus copyright lawsuit, has filed a DMCA counternotice. Details here.

Ben Sheffner has obtained Perez Hilton’s cease and desist letter, which amusingly fails to address the doctrine of fair use . . . at all. Which is highly unusual for such a letter — but not surprising in this particular case, where the fair use analysis is so clear.

How bad has it gotten? The Miss USA Pageant has sent NOM a cease and desist letter of its own, for the use of Miss California’s answer. Like NOM’s use of the Perez Hilton clip, this is clearly fair use, and the letter is pure thuggery by a pageant embarrassed by its decision to allow Hilton to be a judge.

Wow. Nobody wants you to see this clip. Luckily, bloggers everywhere have been taking my advice and reposting it. My copy is still up, and I have received no challenge from Perez Hilton or the Miss USA Pageant.

Bring it, Mario.

UPDATE: I initially referred to the cease and desist letter as a “takedown notice.” The error has been corrected.

98 Responses to “Miss California/Perez Hilton Copyright Update”

  1. Remember, the Miss USA pageant is owned by “The Donald,” as preposterous a figure as has ever been whelped in this country.

    What do you expect ?

    Mike K (2cf494)

  2. Thugs, like slime have a hard time surviving in the light of day – the darkness of ignorance serving them better!

    GM Roper (85dcd7)

  3. This thuggery is going to continue until the people filing the notice get sued, and have to pay. Ordinarily I’m against lawsuits, but in this case I’d make an exception.

    Skip (ba6438)

  4. NOM is, of course, no stranger to bogus copyright claims, as they tried to force Rachel Maddow’s clip discussing their dumb ad off of YouTube.

    In the battle of NOM vs. Perez Hilton all right-thinking people root for injuries.

    Festivus (567029)

  5. First time poster but I have to do this just to pass this along – it’s too perfect. So I went to Perez Hilton’s site and while skimming through what did I come to but a post entitled “A Worthwhile Cause” (http://perezhilton.com/2009-05-06-a-worthwhile-cause-341)

    He was asking his readers to donate to “”Champions Against Bullying” is committed to creating a society where every child has the opportunity to develop, learn and thrive in an environment without fear, without violence and without limitation”

    Do you taste that? It’s the rich delicious taste of irony.

    Rob (12364e)

  6. Hey, Rob, that is different. Just remember:

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2009/05/rr.jpg

    You’ll be seeing a lot of that kind of thing, I fear.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  7. I think the NOM has made a few missteps, especially filing copyright claims. That said, the Miss CA did not start out as a spokesperson for anyone. She was asked a question. Keep remembering that as it seems to keep getting lost in the argument.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  8. I say Carrie Prejean has a bright future ahead of her in politics. It appears that both Perez Hilton, and Donald Trump d/b/a Miss USA have doubled teamed to take down Miss Prejean.

    Go Carrie go. Mario and Donald have picked a fight they can not win.

    DavidL (02e14f)

  9. Do you taste that? It’s the rich delicious taste of irony.

    Why? Because criticizing an adult woman in the public eye is somehow like beating up a child on the playground?

    Hilton is the best thing that could have happened to Prejean. He turned her 15 minutes into 30.

    Festivus (567029)

  10. You assume being in the Miss America Pageant is being in the public eye. Given the relatively low number of people watching, it’s a tough sell.

    Steverino (69d941)

  11. Festivus,

    That’s not relevant. If you don’t realize that Perez cost this woman some measure of success in that stupid contest (which is worth a lot to this woman), and is a terrible bully, then you’re not reasonable. A lot of commenters here are not reasonable.

    Perez had a bit of power over someone, and decided to abuse that person. That’s bullying.

    And no one ever said that bullying doesn’t, in the long run, build character or other strengths in some people. I made my best friend in gradeschool because he was being bullied. A lot of people have thick skin and a sense of justice because they had an experience with a jerk of some kind.

    To say that means the bullying is not bullying is pretty insane. Perez meant to harm this person for expressing her religious views. He wanted to use his power to harm anyone who doesn’t line up behind his agenda.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  12. He just asked her a question, didn’t like her answer, and gave her a low score. He didn’t badger or berate her. You can call that bullying all you want but it doesn’t make it so.

    Festivus (567029)

  13. I have been looking for an answer to this question since the flap began.

    Why was Perez chosen as a judge? Did the person who chose Perez (Donald Trump?)look at this creep’s website? With the nasty, crass, ugly OBSCENE stupid drawings on the celebrities? I’d bet that Trump is there with penises drawn on his face. And worst of all, these idiotic little drawings are NOT funny or clever. And why, with all this press coverage, does everyone ignore how offensive and stupid his website is? Why doesn’t Meredith Viera ask Perez why he feels compelled to draw cum drops on Jennifer Anniston’s face? So why would such a butt be chosen as a JUDGE for a beauty contest?

    Susan (49fe2f)

  14. Festivus, trying so hard to miss the point, aren’t you? Unconvincingly.

    SPQR (72771e)

  15. There is no point being made, other than the very banal and oft-tread one that people abuse copyright claims. This is a simple story with no value other than entertainment: idiot celebrity blogger doesn’t like vapid beauty queen, creates misplaced outrage in people sympathetic to beauty queen’s views.

    Festivus (567029)

  16. Why does society continue to glorify these creeps? I guess it is deemed cool that a jerk like Perez Hilton is acceptable to polite society? One recalls when Liza Minelli married a really strange gay dude. The Donald is something else. How can anyone admire a jerk whose companies filed for bankruptcy several times and that clown continues to be a billionaire? Why would anyone lend his companies squat? Or watch his BS shows? I mean if he’s such a paragon of the American dream with a magic financial touch, how come his flops aren’t recognized? Another weasel who manipulates the system. Ditto for the misuderstood Perez laundryboy. Not everyone wants to fantasize about being fellated by him.

    aoibhneas (0c6cfc)

  17. Festivus, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Perez Hilton was free to give Miss California a low score while acting as a judge at the pageant. The world is full of judges sitting in courtrooms while wearing black dresses who are on occasion, not the sharpest pencil in the judicial box. And in a world where a flagrantly gay loudmouthed guy can be a judge of female beauty–well maybe there are some dumb beauty pageant organizers. But Perez Hilton’s act in lowballing her score was not bullying–stupid maybe–but bullying–no.

    The bullying part came after the pageant where this vapid twit opened his mouth and called her a stupid this and a dumb that. I’ll leave you to fill in the “this” and the “that”, but they are not words repeated in polite society while describing females. Nobody deserves that.

    Mike Myers (674050)

  18. So criticizing her is bullying? Typically bullying implies that the bully has some kind of power over the victim. Once the show was over, any power Hilton had over her was gone. Hilton is behaving in the boorish fashion for which he has become somewhat well-known, but he is not bullying her. She is free to fight back, and, in fact, has been doing so. Nothing to see here but ginned-up outrage. Makes for good entertainment though.

    Festivus (567029)

  19. Yeah, you’re pretty unreasonable.

    Not going to worry about explaining it to you. You can assume you’re right if that makes you feel better about Perez being a bully.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  20. Funny how Festivus is saying that Perez, the judge of a competition that Ms California had spent years preparing for, wasn’t a bully because bullying implies power.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  21. If a famous right winger used that language to talk down to a woman he just fired or gave a low score to, the left would call that bullying, abuse, and perhaps even a crime.

    I can’t imagine what would happen if Rush used that language about Michelle Obama, or if Hannity was the judge at this contest and said this about a woman who supported abortion rights.

    But that’s different, you see.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  22. Regarding Festivus, as Mayor Koch famously said, ” I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.”

    Gazzer (f1e54d)

  23. Gazzer, that is going to leave a mark. Mayor Koch had many things about his style with which I did not agree, but he could be scalpel-sharp funny.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  24. Gazzer, that’s a great quote. I can’t believe someone thinks that calling someone a “dumb bitch” is criticism. I could explain it to them, ut, I can’t understand it for them. Brilliant.

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  25. I hate to throw you guys a bone………… but this is one of the stupidest endeavors the left (Perez Hilton) has ever conjured up.

    People on the left: Drop this fight. Your only making the Right more right on this issue.

    P. Hilton set us way back, and we’re continuing to help him in that cause 🙁

    Oiram (a1ed40)

  26. Funny how Festivus is saying that Perez, the judge of a competition that Ms California had spent years preparing for, wasn’t a bully because bullying implies power.

    Funny how Juan has difficulty understanding plain English sentences such as:

    Once the show was over, any power Hilton had over her was gone.

    The emotional strain of Carrie Prejean’s tragic martyrdom has befuddled his thought processes.

    Now can someone get Gazzer to stop bullying me?

    Festivus (567029)

  27. Since obscene name-calling is now “criticism,” perhaps you can point me to some movie reviews that refer to the writer / director / actress as a “dumb bitch.” Perhaps you publish these yourself? If so, I would like a subscription to your newsletter. Thank you.

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  28. Another gem of criticism from “Perez Hilton.” Man, that’s some insightful criticism he is laying on Ms. Prejean!

    Original comment – Prejean lost, not because she doesn’t believe in gay marriage, she lost because she’s a dumb bitch!

    Follow-upI called her the B word, but I was thinking the C word.

    He is quite the critic, that Perez Hilton!

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  29. Calling someone a dumb b**** is criticism. Any negative statement about something is criticism. It doesn’t need to be smart, civil, or insightful.

    Semantic quibbles aside, the fundamental point is that calling someone names on your blog is not bullying them. If Karl writes “Obama sure is a stupid idiot” you wouldn’t say that Karl is bullying Obama.

    Festivus (567029)

  30. Fine, Festivus. You are a “dumb bitch with half a brain.”

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  31. Festivus,

    What exactly is your problem here then? If you condone Perez Hilton’s “criticism”, why are you bothered by someone criticizing Hilton? It’s not “bullying”, right?

    PH is using a bully-pulpit to gin up controversy and attempt to silence a view he disagrees with. He no longer has direct power over her (the ability to give her a low score), but seeks to exert power through negative publicity via his own celebrity blog. At the same time, he’s trying to bully NOM through a bogus copyright claim. Like most people who bully, he can’t take it when people fight back. Make excuses for him all you like. Most people can readily see what’s going on despite the frantic spin-control.

    Hopefully, the 15-turned-into-30 you spoke of turns into much longer. She’s been pretty classy throughout this.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  32. Stop bullying me, carlitos! First Gazzer and now you, buncha bullying meanies around here.

    I’m not bothered by criticizm of Hilton, Stashiu. I’ve called him an idiot in this very thread, which you don’t appear to have read. I just don’t have much sympathy for the risible Prejean-as-martyr meme that certain parties are invested in pushing.

    You do know that NOM has done the same thing as Hilton w/r/t copyright, right? So they’re bullies who should be roundly condemned, but I haven’t seen any of that from the anti-bully brigade. Strange.

    Festivus (567029)

  33. Festivus is pretending he doesn’t get it. Perez, for no good reason, has a position of respect in his field. He’s able to say awful things about her on many media outlets and greatly reduce Ms California’s career potential.

    Festivus can pretend that Perez meant to help Ms California, but Perez was trying to destroy her from his position of power, to get her and others aspiring to enter into showbiz to not express dissent against Perez’s viewpoint.

    Anyone who doesn’t understand that is doing so deliberately.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  34. ‘Oh, but Ms California is better off!’

    That’s like saying that once a nerd starts microsoft, all his bullies are instantly transformed into something better.

    No, they aren’t. Perez is a bully, even though Ms California got the better of him.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  35. Yes, I’ve read the thread. The “NOM did it too” was addressed previously by Patterico, something you apparently didn’t read though. PH trying to bully Ms. Prejean and NOM is not excused by NOM’s previous behavior or Ms. Prejean’s cheesecake photos. Not everyone worth defending is considered a martyr, just worth defending. PH made unwarranted and disgusting remarks about someone with the courage of her convictions, I’m glad people are defending her. That’s not making her a martyr, it’s standing against bullying and intolerance. If that’s investment, count me in.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  36. I see you’re still not understanding my comments, Juan. I will try to be clearer. I never claimed that Hilton intended to help Prejean. Merely that that was the effect of all this. Prejean made the talk-show rounds after this, so she both raised her profile (and thus her entertainment career prospects) and had ample opportunity to say whatever she wanted about Hilton to a wide audience.

    That’s like saying that once a nerd starts microsoft, all his bullies are instantly transformed into something better.

    No, it’s more like saying that once a nerd starts Microsoft, his enemies are no longer able to bully him. Their moral standing stays the same. Hilton remains a classless and vulgar clown, but he’s not bullying Prejean.

    Festivus (567029)

  37. Yes, I’ve read the thread. The “NOM did it too” was addressed previously by Patterico, something you apparently didn’t read though.

    In this thread? Did he accuse NOM of thuggery? I suspect not but I’d be pleased to be wrong about that.

    PH made unwarranted and disgusting remarks about someone with the courage of her convictions, I’m glad people are defending her.

    She seems capable of doing that herself without the assistance of internet paladins.

    This has nothing to do with tolerance or bullying. It’s just people sympathetic to Prejean’s politics acting as if a stupid celebrity feud is some great moral crusade. Hence the overheated rhetoric about “thuggery” and “bullying”. It’s pretty funny to watch, though.

    Festivus (567029)

  38. Festivus: If you count Aphrael as “sympathetic to Prejean’s politics” you are sorely mistaken. If you count Patterico among the NOM type, you’re mistaken again. People here who voted AGAINST Prop 8 are throwing down against lard-butt Perez because lard-butt Perez is a hateful, bitter little sub-human.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  39. The post refers to the use of bogus copyright claims as thuggery, or IOW, bullying.

    I don’t think anyone can argue against the fact that PH had it out for Prejean, and was trashing her in order to boost his own numbers. His interest was in publicity, and it may have worked against him, as most commenters here, whatever there ideology, agree that he is repugnant and talentless.

    The ‘bullying’ charges against PH, NOM and now the Miss USA pageant have to do with the attempted use of the legal system to squelch what is obviously the fair use of media.

    Everyone wants to control the discussion, and the bogus claims against fair use should be expensive for those pushing them.

    You don’t get to have only good publicity at the expense of others’ free speech. I can guarantee you that someone in the Miss USA pageant figured out that the publicity might not be working out so well, and they wish to stop, now that they’ve had their ‘boost’.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  40. He did not badger her or berate her?! Calling her a dumb bitch and a cunt was praise I suppose. Using his platform to attack her is nothing, if not bullying. Festivus is a dumb cunt.

    JD (f483eb)

  41. regardless of their ideology…

    sheesh

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  42. Festivus, let me add to the bullying of Gazzer.

    If you understand this very simple concept, no explanation is necessary. If you don’t understand this very simple concept, no amount of explaning will suffice.

    Take that you 98 pound weakling!

    GM Roper (85dcd7)

  43. In this thread? Did he accuse NOM of thuggery? I suspect not but I’d be pleased to be wrong about that.
    Comment by Festivus — 5/6/2009 @ 1:24 pm

    Why would every thread have to re-hash every point? The title clearly refers to this post as an update. The fact that NOM does not have completely clean hands was addressed here and here. Pleased? You were the one who implied that it hadn’t been addressed.

    So they’re bullies who should be roundly condemned, but I haven’t seen any of that from the anti-bully brigade. Strange.
    Comment by Festivus — 5/6/2009 @ 12:43 pm

    All I said was that you clearly hadn’t read what had been written after you accused me of not reading the thread. The “sympathetic to Prejean’s politics acting as if a stupid celebrity feud is some great moral crusade” line is false. You have no idea, as JH just pointed out, what the motivations of her defenders are. For myself, it is about bullying, not politics. I really don’t care what her views are, but she shouldn’t be attacked for them. If others shouldn’t get involved in defending her because she “seems capable of doing that herself without the assistance of internet paladins”, why do you even comment about anything that doesn’t directly concern you?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  44. In this thread? Did he accuse NOM of thuggery? I suspect not but I’d be pleased to be wrong about that.

    Not in this thread, numbnuts – but he condemned their tactics just a few days ago. In the future try to read some prior posts before opening that ginormous blowhole.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  45. Festivus: If you count Aphrael as “sympathetic to Prejean’s politics” you are sorely mistaken. If you count Patterico among the NOM type, you’re mistaken again.

    Yes yes. The conservative gay marriage supporters. Support that always seems to be sadly outweighed by the overwhelming odiousness of non-conservative gay marriage supporters to such an extent that posts condemning the latter outnumber posts expressing the former by orders of magnitude. I believe Glenn Reynolds does this schtick as well. I’m aware of this distinction-in-theory-but-never-in-practice. That’s why I said they are sympathetic to her politics rather than that they share them.

    The fact that NOM does not have completely clean hands was addressed here and here.

    Yes, Hilton is the thuggiest thug who ever thugged but NOM “does not have completely clean hands”. What admirable consistency.

    Festivus (567029)

  46. aphrael isn’t a conservative. Based on your comments here, I think I was a bit generous with that “half a brain” assessment.

    There are lots of places where you can go argue with conservatives that are actually saying what you want to argue with. Perhaps you could go find them.

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  47. GM roper, you take that back, you bullying thug! If you don’t, I’ll get a tough guy like Dmac to tell you to “bring it,” and then what will you do? WHAT WILL YOU DO GM ROPER?

    Festivus (567029)

  48. There are lots of places where you can go argue with conservatives that are actually saying what you want to argue with. Perhaps you could go find them.

    What is it you think I think conservatives are saying? I’m sure you and your eight brains can puzzle it out.

    Festivus (567029)

  49. Another asshat that drops in to argue with the voices and caricatures in its head. Festivus – you should meet ASPCA, Jeffrey Diamond, timmah, Mario, et al. You will get along great.

    JD (f483eb)

  50. Festivus, when your characterization of people ceases being a caricature, let us know.

    SPQR (72771e)

  51. Yes, Hilton is the thuggiest thug who ever thugged

    Nope. Lavaderia is what a thug sells to other thugs in the cellblock for two cigarettes per. Menthol, unfiltered.

    nk (edb3d7)

  52. Me, I’m in favor of equal marriage rights. I don’t know that anyone is mad at Perez because he agrees with me on that. He used his power to stomp on someone for a popular and normal POV. He’s opposed to the free expression of ideas, and used the the power he had to ridicule and harass people, and to deprive fair points in the contest he agreed to judge, to bully someone. Then, he used his lawyers to bully more free speech.

    Festivus would have a problem with that if the opinion of Ms. California was different. It’s that simple. Festivus would gladly bully too.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  53. Do you have something to contribute, JD? Because “asshat” hasn’t been funny since 1998 and you don’t seem to understand the argument.

    Festivus (567029)

  54. Comment by Festivus — 5/6/2009 @ 2:04 pm

    Okay, you’re clearly not adult enough to admit when you’re wrong about something anything. You come in with preconceived notions and won’t be persuaded by direct evidence those notions were incorrect. You are not familiar with previous threads, but accuse people of not mentioning things. You don’t know the people who comment here and attribute positions to them without evidence. The next site you visit, try lurking for a while before beclowning yourself. I’m done with you.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  55. HOMOPHOBES !!!!!

    JD (f483eb)

  56. The “argument” is what???

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  57. […] of both Mario Lavandeira d/b/a Perez Hilton and Donald Trump d/b/a Miss USA Pageant.  Patterico, Patterico Pontifications, has the details: Ben Sheffner has obtained Perez Hilton’s cease and desist letter, which […]

    Donald Trump and Perez Hilton v. Carrie Prejean | BitsBlog (33ff78)

  58. Stash – This one has been banned here before.

    Sure, I understand your point, festivus. Calling someone a b*tch and a c*nt is not berating them or badgering them. Using his platform to attack her was not bullying. Specious application of the law was not bullying. All because you agree with his/her politics.

    Oh yeah, as we learned yesterday, it is also racist to be against same sex marriage.

    JD (f483eb)

  59. HOMOPHOBES !!!!!

    Comment by JD — 5/6/2009 @ 2:18 pm

    Say it out and say it loud!
    I’m a homophobe and I’m proud!

    nk (edb3d7)

  60. Again, Juan. Nobody was stomped on. Hilton called Prejean vulgar names. That’s it. The upshot was that Prejean is now more well-known than she ever would have been otherwise. If calling someone vulgar names on a blog is justification for the greatest moral crusade of our time you’re going to be awfully busy.

    Festivus, when your characterization of people ceases being a caricature, let us know.

    If we’re talking about the same “people,” my characterization is that they are making mountains out of molehills for the sake of cheap moral posturing. I haven’t seen anything to indicate otherwise.

    Festivus (567029)

  61. I’m curious what Perez would have to do to this girl before Festivus would admit Perez is a bully. Beat her up? That could just be freedom fighting.

    Oh well. What I’d really like to know is if Festivus thinks this lady did anything wrong at all.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  62. On my part, I like hot babes like Miss California, and I want to marginalize, ridicule, and otherwise keep in the figurative closet, ridiculous creeps like Lavandeira as much as possible.

    nk (edb3d7)

  63. Then go find “those people” and argue with them. This whole topic here is about Perez Hilton using legal action to try to surpress a video which is clearly “fair use.” What you think about Ms. Prejean’s fame as a result is abundantly clear.

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  64. How about your “characterization” of aphrael and Patterico’s positions on same sex marriage, festivus?

    JD (f483eb)

  65. Not even close, Festivus. Between caricatures and missing the point, you’ve done nothing but add to the noise level.

    SPQR (72771e)

  66. “suppress,” that is…

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  67. More of that posturing, Stashi. I was aware of Patterico’s previous “no clean hands comment.” I was giving you credit by not assuming you thought that was in any way equivalent to the OUTRAGE expressed over Perez Hilton, most vicious thug in historical memory. It appears I was in error, so please accept my apology.

    Calling someone a b*tch and a c*nt is not berating them or badgering them.

    Been over this before. Calling someone vulgar names when they have every opportunity to respond to a wide audience, and in fact take that opportunity, is not bullying. Please read the thread so people don’t have to keep explaining things to you.

    All because you agree with his/her politics.

    Where did I say I agreed with Hilton’s politics? Be careful or you’re going to get a lecture from Stashi about assuming things.

    Festivus (567029)

  68. Festivus, you haven’t said anything that remotely suggests you have any form of moral code whatsoever. You haven’t said anything that remotely suggests you have one iota of a clue who is saying what for what reason. You haven’t said anything that remotely suggests you have an IQ of 75 or better.

    And quite frankly, stay banned.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  69. Festivus is too much of a coward to even take a stand and admit he agrees with Perez on gay marriage! What’s the point of arguing with someone who doesn’t want to take any position on anything. He is only here to try to sling mud, not to discuss or persuade.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  70. #48 Hey DJ….. I might be on your side on this one, check out my comment at #25.

    Scary I know.

    Oiram (a1ed40)

  71. To recap:
    – The stupid people at Mrs. USA asked the execrable “Perez Hilton” to judge.
    – “Hilton” asked Ms. Prejean for her thoughts on gay marriage.
    – She answered the same way most Americans, including the President and most California voters, would answer.
    – That night on his blog, Hilton called her a “stupid bitch with half a brain” and then said he wished he would have used the “C word.”
    – He then realized how bad he looked so he took down the video.
    – NOM made an ad from the video, using 2 seconds of his video.
    – Hilton started filing cease and desist and DMCA takedown claims, despite the video clearly being fair use of copyrighted material.
    – Ironically, Mr. Hilton makes his living by posting copyrighted photos on his blog and drawing penises and crude comments on them.

    That is the sum total of the point of this topic. “Bullying” by using legal action to suppress material on the internet.

    Why, Festivus, are you arguing with the “rest of us?” Why are you even here?

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  72. Festivus is engaged in the time-honored tradition of the Left where they simply define words to fit how they wish to use them.

    I presume you are going to explain to us how you disagree with Senor B*tch C*nt’s politics on this issue. We await …

    JD (f483eb)

  73. Perhaps it is time for our host to perform an “internet abortion” and rid us of this disagreeable mass?

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  74. Festivus is too much of a coward to even take a stand and admit he agrees with Perez on gay marriage!

    Oh, I do. I was just warning JD against assuming things, as Stashiu had accused me of doing myself. Just trying to help him out.

    I’m curious what Perez would have to do to this girl before Festivus would admit Perez is a bully. Beat her up? That could just be freedom fighting.

    If he’d hectored her after she gave her answer, while she had to stand there and take it, that would be bullying.

    That is the sum total of the point of this topic. “Bullying” by using legal action to suppress material on the internet.

    Then why are people claiming he bullied Prejean? He hasn’t filed copyright claims against her, that I’m aware of.

    John Hitchock said:

    blah blah blah childish insult blah blah.

    I’ve been nothing but polite and made my arguments clearly (again it is “Perez Hilton did not ‘bully’ Carrie Prejean'”). This despite abuse by JD, John Hitchock, and other assorted people with nothing substantive to say. Yet I’m the one who should stay banned, apparently.

    Since a dissenting view apparently causes sputtering anger from a significant portion of the commentariat, I’ll leave you to agree with each other. You guys have fun showing Perez Hilton what’s what!

    Festivus (567029)

  75. carlitos, while you’re quite right that the bullying relevant to this thread is how Perez is bullying via lawyers and bullshit copyright claims, it’s still a fair point that Perez has shown how he’s a bully before. He’s a bully for many of his actions.

    I guess it doesn’t matter, but it’s fair to bring up those examples to demonstrate that Perez is a bully.

    Beyond not accepting the simple truth that Perez is a bully, Festivus is attacking Glenn Reynolds, someone who probably hasn’t even read this thread, because he doesn’t endorce gay marriage *enough* for Festivus. His moral code is basically defined by compliance with a set of opinions.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  76. I’ll leave you to agree with each other.

    It’s not as catchy as “I work is done here,” but I’ll take it.

    carlitos (5ab40a)

  77. Festivus: WHAT WILL YOU DO GM ROPER?

    Nothing, Dmac will agree with me. 🙂

    GM Roper (85dcd7)

  78. It’s not as catchy as “I work is done here,” but I’ll take it.
    Comment by carlitos — 5/6/2009 @ 2:59 pm

    I agree. 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  79. Longing for “The Sounds of Silence”.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a1bed2)

  80. “..You guys have fun showing Perez Hilton what’s what!…”

    I don’t want to speak for anyone else, but I have no interest in Mr. Hilton’s “what.”

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  81. I thought I was being rather restrained with the previously banned fesic*nt.

    JD (bc5db9)

  82. Please read the thread so people don’t have to keep explaining things to you.

    As another commenter pointed out on another thread, we can explain it for you but cannot make you understand it.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  83. with the previously banned fesic*nt

    There you go again, JD – always with your critical remarks.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  84. “…critical remarks” underpinned by demonstrable data.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a1bed2)

  85. Stop bullying Fisty!

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  86. You are all just HOMOPHOBES ! Calling someone a dumb b*tch and a c*nt is not berating them, it is a loving display of affection.

    JD (bc5db9)

  87. I agree with AD. And I agree with EB. And I agree with JD (although that’s probably racist). And I agree with Dmac.

    If someone wants to say that once you’re banned, coming back is low-class, I’ll agree with that as well. Hopefully, all this agreement will encourage the troll to begone and stay this time since it bothers him so much.

    BTW, “asshat” is not for humor, in this case it is simply descriptive.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  88. I do not want it to go until it explains, and subsequently corrects its blatant mischaracterizations of aphrael and Patterico.

    I am also curious why it was banned before. That is no easy task.

    JD (bc5db9)

  89. JD,

    Some questions are better left unanswered. His absence would be enough for me. Just sayin’ 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  90. Stash, now you’re just being intentionally rude by noticeably refusing to agree with me while you’re agreeing with everybody else.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  91. Calling someone a dumb b*tch and a c*nt is not berating them, it is a loving display of affection

    You’re wrong on this one, JD – it’s just a difference of opinion. Hate speech? What’s that?

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  92. Perez’z language is obviously equivalent to calling Obama the N word or calling Perez a gay slur. That kind of talk is legal, but it’s also betraying a sense of rage and hatred for women that is very Andrew sullivan-esqe.

    Imagine how the left would treat Rush if he called Obama the N word, and then said ‘oh, I take it back, i meant [insert even more offensive racial slur]’. It would result in congressional action. The left has absolutely no sense of perspective, so they don’t realize that Perez is doing this exact thing.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  93. #88 John Hitchcock:

    Stash, now you’re just being intentionally rude by noticeably refusing to agree with me while you’re agreeing with everybody else.

    I’m gonna have to go with Stash on this one.

    Some questions are just better left.

    As opposed to right, of course.

    EW1(SG) (5766f7)

  94. Its self-Lefteous faux outrage was humorous for about 47.3 seconds.

    It does not really matter. Being opposed to same sex marriage makes you all RACISTS !!!! I know, because a drive-by told us so.

    JD (bc5db9)

  95. The notice failed to mention fair use at all? SInce Perez has made fiar use claims himself, all the better for NOM. They will much better be able to make a case of subjective bad faith – that Perez knew he was claiming a right he does not possess in violation of the DMCA and he might be subject now to penalties or fines.
    That would be delicious.

    SarahW (fdd722)

  96. Stash, now you’re just being intentionally rude by noticeably refusing to agree with me while you’re agreeing with everybody else.
    Comment by John Hitchcock — 5/6/2009 @ 3:29 pm

    I agree that was rude. 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  97. Perez Hilton can’t send a takedown notice in good faith because he likely doesn’t own the copyright – to the extent that anything that he said is copyrightable, I suspect that the pageant owns it because it probably made him assign all rights to it to the pageant. And it’s clearly fair use. How shameful of the pageant, and also how counterproductive.

    Lazlo Toth (6a6617)

  98. Whenever a serious, pressing political issue arises my first thought is always “What will Miss Universe have to say about this?”

    David Ehrenstein (0c2de8)


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