Holder: Gitmo Is Well-Run and Professional
Via Instapundit comes a link that should get wide play . . . but will it?
Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday the Guantanamo detention center is a well-run, professional facility that will be difficult to close — but he is still going to do it.
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Holder said his visit to the site was instructive. He met with military officials and toured the facilities, including the court setting where military commissions were to be held until Obama suspended them.
He said he did not witness any rough treatment of detainees, and in fact found the military staff and leadership performing admirably.
“I did not witness any mistreatment of prisoners. I think, to the contrary, what I saw was a very conscious attempt by these guards to conduct themselves in an appropriate way,” he said.
Instapundit says: “Now they tell us.” True — but some of us knew this all along.
Will it get more play than the Obama Administration’s decision to follow Bush’s lead and declare that detainees at Bagram have no Constitutional rights? Who knows. That was certainly page one material.
/sarc
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:27 pmDid Holder say we should be showing the detainees Palestinian childrens cartoons to make them feel more at home?
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:30 pmRacists
JD (0e6191) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:32 pmI think that this post is great news. I trust Holder’s opinion. He has demonstrated before how much he is concerned with the kindly treatment of unrepentant terrorists.
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:37 pmMadeleine Stowe is quite the attractive lady. I know, completely off topic, but The General’s Daughter just came on.
Using the words Holder and judgment in the same sentence should be illegal. Add that to the list of deportable offenses.
JD (0e6191) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:40 pmA well-run and professional torture chamber, you bloodlusting wiping your ass with the Constitution sadistic warmongers.
JD (0e6191) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:44 pmRemember, JD, it is all different now! Gitmo is now controlled by That For Which We Have All Been Waiting. Rather than waterboarding, now the inmates at Gitmo are rehabilitated by grooming unicorns and raising butterflies.
As for Madeline Stowe, you betcha (ignoring her support for that cad John Edwards). Also notice that her husband is kind of a dweeb. I love seeing a beautiful woman hitched to a poindexter, JD.
Heck, I live that model!
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/25/2009 @ 11:52 pmDitto. Amen that, brother man.
JD (0e6191) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:11 amI keep waiting for my wife to wise up, but we got past the ten year mark. So, very seriously, to quote from “Saving Private Ryan,” I try to be “worth it.”
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:13 amEric Holder is so clueless he probably couldn’t tell the difference between prisoners and the guards.
Perfect Sense (0922fa) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:19 am“A very conscious attempt” indeed.
The AG seems to have chosen his words carefully.
Reuters gives a more complete version of what he said: “ “I did not witness any mistreatment of prisoners. I think, to the contrary, what I saw was a very conscious attempt for these guards to conduct themselves in an appropriate way,” he said.
Anyone who reads Holder’s comments as some kind acknowledgement that torture and other abuses — whatever label you want to use for them — could have taken place in the past is hallucinating.
If and when the hard evidence of torture comes in, I have a feeling it won’t change many minds. Most of the people who insist there was never any torture will just downshift to arguments about how indisepensable torture is, but only when we do it, of course.
Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:21 amtest
Andrew (96ab30) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:04 amHow do you know they are unrepentant terrorists?
Andrew (96ab30) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:05 amAnd meanwhile, Reuters reports: “Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama”.
Dislocation of limbs and pepper spray on toilet paper is cited.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51O3TB20090225
Andrew (c5b6d7) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:30 am“Most of the people who insist there was never any torture will just downshift to arguments about how indisepensable torture is, but only when we do it, of course.”
You mean like the anti-war movements total hypocricy by remaining silent as Obama continues the Iraq war and sends 17 thousand more “children” off to die in Afghan?
ps who the hell have you heard advocate full on torture? I have seen people say waterboarding is not torture but I have not seen anyone say “Hey let’s pull out some fingernails and see if that works out.”
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:34 am“Dislocation of limbs and pepper spray on toilet paper is cited.”
If you have ever handled someone with their hands zip tied behind their back you would realize that if they start to struggle it is pretty freakin easy to dislocate their shoulders. Find someone that worked at the prison they will also tell you the prisoners will routinely not give back their eating utensils so the guards have to go in the rooms, subdue them and secure the utensils. In certain incidents, usually after the prisoner does that and/or throws shit through the teller window at the guard to escalate the situation, they will throw a CS can in the room to soften the prisoner up before they call the QRF to enter the room and subdue the prisoner. When they do that everything in the room would be covered in pepper spray. Whatever do not let me get in the way of your hatred of the US military carry on.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:42 amAlso expecting a person to let someone throw shit or semen in their face and then not fuck with them back is pretty naive. Are we now defining torture as pepper spray on toilet paper? Come the hell on.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:47 am“I have not seen anyone say “Hey let’s pull out some fingernails and see if that works out.”
Fair enough.
I sometimes mistake blog comments for reality — I know, a BIG mistake.
I should be arguing against what people like Dick Cheney actually advocate, not what some Whine Club weirdos fantasize about while playing with their G.I. Joes.
And Cheney has certainly never advocated fingernail removal, specifically.
I do think, however, that conservative figures like Rush Limbaugh have sought to portray the kinds of beatings and murders, even, that took place at Bagram and Abu Ghraib as somehow equivalent to “fraternity pranks,” to quote Limbaugh.
That’s not directly supporting torture, but it is apologizing for it and doing so in a way that clearly signals tacit approval, at the absolute minimum.
As for the anti-war movement not being disappointed with Obama’s foreign policy, you really should look a little further into that.
I’m not a very active part of the movement, but I’m there in spirit and I’m very disappointed with Obama’s slowness in effecting the withdrawal from Iraq, his cop out on Bagram and his faith in a primarily military solution to Afghanistan’s security and development problems.
My exhilharation with Obama was never and is certainly not now about any naive belief that he’s going to grab the helm and swing a U-turn on the ship of state.
My excitement was merely that the Bush nightmare finally came to an end. I do not expect Obama to be a great president. I do expect him to be greatly better than Bush and the same goes for the Democratic congress.
Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:02 am“have sought to portray the kinds of beatings and murders, even, that took place at Bagram and Abu Ghraib”
WTF? Murders take place everywhere in every city. Are you trying to say it was ever a stated policy for the US to murder people? That is a one big dose of crazy. It is typical of people hyperventilating and trying to come up with crazy conspiracy theories and reasons to not just disagree with but hate a certain subset of political ideology though.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:18 amThe front page of my local fishwrap tells me today that Portuguese Water Dog may soon become the hippest dog there is because the Obamas have apparently settled on the breed as their new family dog (via People). I can’t seem to find this Holder story though.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:21 amPablo I saw it today in the WaPo. It was on page a23 right beside a full page pictoral of Obama’s pecs.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:23 amHacks, why do you want to deport citizens?
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:24 amSo in short, a he-said is evidence in the eyes of Andrew, who blindly believes the lawyer.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:29 amHow slick.
I am just saying it is retarded to think that it is a stated military policy to spray pepper spray on toilet paper in Abu Gharib. I can imagine a prison guard when performing a room search doing it. Andrew is also trying to suggest that murder is a policy so WTF do I expect.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:53 amPablo, I didn’t say it was evidence. .I am adding information that may contradict’s Holder’s claim of humane treatment. I let you readers weigh the allegations to determine who you believe and why. Holder may ne right or the lawyer may be right. But if it is left to right-wing readers in this comments section, nobody would show the lawyer’s allegations. You would never have shown us the link, or would you?
Andrew (530e20) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:07 amGitmo is safer than Ruby Ridge or Waco when Holder last worked for DOJ. Far safer than Obama’s old home town, Chicago.
Anything that Reuters or the AP has to say about Gitmo is simply not credible.
Old Trooper (c3dabf) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:07 amAnyone who voted for Obama over Mccain didn’t give a rat’s ass about torture anyway. Mccain sincerely was against the practice… bucking his conservative brand (such as it was, anyway). He actually lived through some of it, and obviously meant what he said.
Obama was obviously blowing smoke in vague ways about it. A vote for Obama is a vote for all the practices Mccain was against, including torture.
Hax can pretend all day that this matters to him, but all that matters to him is his hatred of the republican boogeyman.
Joco (4cdfb7) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:25 amPablo, Andrew is just asking questions.
Familiar, huh? Or maybe Just Another Sock?
As for “unrepentant terrorists,” c’mon. You surely bothered to read up on the FALN people that he recommended Clinton pardon, right? If not, to quote that famed intellectual Rosie O’Donnell: “google it.”
Several of them stated that they were not repentant. I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, but there you go. The whole FALN pardon issue stank to high heaven—look at both the Senate and House votes on the subject (if you want to see bipartisanship, that is). And who was the driving force? Our new AG, Eric Holder.
Check this out, since I am pretty sure you are just being reactive on this topic:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/more-on-holder.html
Holder is a political hack. So please, go right ahead and trust his judgement on this and any other issue. Me, I wouldn’t trust him on any subject.
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:26 amAh, it isn’t evidence, just information that may contradict!
Do you believe it, Andrew?
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:36 amThank you for the confirmation: according to Holder, torture and abuse could not have taken place at GTMO.
Steverino (69d941) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:38 amYeah, it is all different now. Except it is the same thing.
And who said doublethink no longer exists?
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:40 amThis new administration never lets a day pass without another disappointment. Today, I learn that they will not use the nuclear waste facility in Yucca Mountain so it seems that nuclear power will have to wait for a Republican administration. Energy independence is farther away. They are even making nonsensical noises about refusing Canadian oil sands oil. When was the last time such foolishness was in charge of a government?
Not since the Soviet Union died, I suspect. It makes me feel more content that I am past the age of trying to build a life. And these young people who voted from this con man will live with him and his legacy for a long time, I fear. They seem no more aware of the future than the 1933 Germans.
Bernard Goldberg was on O’Reilly last night and he seems very pessimistic that the voters will figure this out. It is the age of illusions. Maybe if they were better educated but this is the failure of our education system applied to politics.
Mike K (2cf494) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:50 am“Not since the Soviet Union died, I suspect.”
Mike – As I mentioned on the Tuesday night thread, Obama is already surpassing the Soviet Union. He is talking about 10 Year Plans instead of mere 5 Year Plans.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:55 amHolder may ne right or the lawyer may be right.
What a poltroon – quit namby – pambying around with your moral relativistic musings and answer the question directly. Who in your opinion is correct here? It’s a simple question, any infantile intellect could answer it – so try this one time, sweetheart.
Dmac (49b16c) — 2/26/2009 @ 7:32 amDr. K., you might be right. But I know some pretty extreme Democrats who are feeling some voter’s remorse.
The question is simple: will the Republicans come up with a vision that is superior, and put in front of voters (or the Democrats, for that matter)?
The Republicans bear a lot of responsibility for this mess, because they didn’t take a coherent message out to the voters.
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/26/2009 @ 7:35 amAccording to Hax, both Stashiu and Eric Holder must have zero credibility.
Steverino (69d941) — 2/26/2009 @ 7:45 amI believe it, doesn’t mean I won’t believe it more once this is confirmed, if it is confirmed.
Andrew (8b91a9) — 2/26/2009 @ 7:51 amSo in short, a he-said is evidence in the eyes of Andrew, who blindly believes the lawyer.
How slick.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:04 amTo people like andrew, it is more important to side with those that hate America.
JD (7696a8) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:12 am#33 Steverino:
Pretty easy for me to choose which of the two I would believe.
And with nothing in his background that even remotely qualifies him to be AG, I think Stashiu might be a better choice for that job also.
EW1(SG) (e27928) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:23 amNeed I point out how overtly racist that is?
JD (7696a8) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:28 amI believe it, doesn’t mean I won’t believe it more once this is confirmed, if it is confirmed
“And if it is confirmed, which I may or may not believe, I will believe the confirmation to be believable, or not.”
WTF?
Dmac (49b16c) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:51 amClose Gitmo. I don’t trust Obama to run it.
Amphipolis (fdbc48) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:53 amAt least they’re stopping short of hundred-year plans.
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:57 amEh. I trust the US military as an institution to run it properly. The military exposed, investigated, and punished those responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib — the press ignored the initial reports about it, until the defendants lawyers fed the photos to reporters willing to spin the story into a “cover up” and a scandal. Since then, the press narrative has followed the defendants’ arguments, and have (necessarily) ignored what really happened to cause and end the abuses.
Which, come to think of it, is a damned dangerous place to be. It’s good to have a military you believe will do the right thing, but dangerous when the supposed watchdogs in the press can’t even be trusted to get basic facts correct. If, God forbid, we ever really needed the watchdog, they’ve blown their credibility.
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 2/26/2009 @ 9:09 amA British official, who is regularly briefed on intelligence operations, said: “The concern was that the document revealed that intelligence from the British agencies was used by the Americans and that there were British questions asked while Binyam Mohamed was being tortured.
“Miliband is being pushed hard by the intelligence agencies to protect the identity of those involved.”
The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed’s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, “is very far down the list of things they did,” the official said.
Another source familiar with the case said: “British intelligence officers knew about the torture and didn’t do anything about it. They supplied information to the Americans and the Moroccans. They supplied questions, they supplied photographs. There is evidence of all of that.”
Who needs morality when you know you’re right?
Flipping D. Bird (48d752) — 2/26/2009 @ 10:04 amGod bless america.
Its not like Obama is changing anything substantive.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 10:17 am“Who needs morality when you know you’re right?
God bless Morocco.”
Fixed that for you.
Read the whole thing, Flipping. Your link, that is.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 10:33 amI read my link. You didn’t read yours
“I was also questioned about my links with Britain. The interrogator told me: “We have photos of people given to us by MI5. Do you know these?” I realised that the British were sending questions to the Moroccans. I was at first surprised that the Brits were siding with the Americans.”
The information is from a CIA dossier. They knew everything. He was sent to Morocco by the United States to be tortured.
Flipping D. Bird (48d752) — 2/26/2009 @ 10:58 amHe arrived back in the UK this week. All charges have been dropped.
And the US tried to blackmail the UK into silence.
And you defend all this. You are a grotesque pathetic moron.
No morality at all.
How many secret prisons does the US have? Who are their “partners”?
Perhaps we can get the CIA to send FDB on a tour?
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:02 amIt is difficult to FDB when one is busy sufi’ing the constitution and national sovereignty at the same time. And let’s not forget forcefully “relating” with the writers of the Federalist Papers.
John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:05 amAnd anyone wants to know why I know what a su-fi is, blame my daughter’s involvement in the military and Dane Cook’s arrival in Iraq while she was there.
John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:14 amAnother source familiar with the case said:
Hilarious – just another in a long series of “unnamed officials and sources who we’re using as strawmen to attack those we don’t agree with.”
A British official, who is regularly briefed on intelligence operations, said
“So we’re going to keep using fictitious sources to level bullsh-t charges, because we’re too cowardly to do it ourselves. And don’t look at that man behind the curtain!”
Dmac (49b16c) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:24 amGosh, Dmac, I wonder who “Flipping D. Bird” actually is, identity wise.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:26 amI blame George Bush!
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:29 amWhy the sudden attempt to shift the subject to the fates of people no longer under control of the US?
Weird…
And, yeah, EB, I sense the return of the same-old same-old.
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:37 amSeriously, the style pretty much gives things away.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:39 amThe CIA dossier on KSM says he hacked Danny Pearl’s head off. THEY KNEW ABOUT IT!!! That makes them liable, then.
I think I’m getting the vapors.
Oh, wait. I blame things on the people who actually do them, not America as the default reason for all unpleasant things. Nevermind the vapors.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:41 am“Why the sudden attempt to shift the subject to the fates of people no longer under control of the US?”
Because they are doing the job FOR the US.
And any information that was extracted ended up in the CIA files.
But all the charges were dropped.
like arguing with f’ing 5 year olds
flipping D. Bird (34f469) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:44 amwow pablito you’re as stupid as they come.
KSM was not reporting to the CIA. The Moroccans were.
jesus f christ what a tool
flipping D. Bird (34f469) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:47 amFDB, if you got your head out of your bum, you would be less in the dark.
John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:47 amWhy does fdb hate America?
JD (29405c) — 2/26/2009 @ 11:56 amReally? How do you know that?
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:01 pmThere are probably very few socks around a certain household about now, friends.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:04 pmMr. Pink asks: “Are you trying to say it was ever a stated policy for the US to murder people?”
On January 13, in a declaration submitted to a Washington D.C. District Court [object], Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld, a former prosecutor in the Military Commission trial system, stated he “stumbled across” a summary of an interview with Jawad, conducted by an agent from the Army Criminal Investigation Division, “which had been added to the record of trial in a case where a guard at Bagram prison had been charged with the murder of a detainee.” From this interview, Vandeveld learned that Jawad “had experienced extensive abuse” while held at Bagram from December 2002 (when two prisoners died at the hands of US forces) to February 2003, which included being “shoved down a stairwell while both hooded and shackled.” The agent, who testified at a hearing in Jawad’s case last August, explained that Jawad’s statement “was completely consistent with the statements of other prisoners held at Bagram at the time, and, more importantly, that dozens of the guards had admitted to abusing the prisoners in exactly the way described by Jawad.”
Surely it has never been the policy or practice of the U.S. military to allow any and all types of torture or murder. The concern is that some inside and outside the military have used 9/11 as an excuse to exercise sadism.
Once that happens, there is a natural tendency on the military’s part to try to cover it up, as happened with Jawad and Abu Ghraib.
Some people like to chant that it was the military itself that first reported the torture at Abu Ghraib, but in fact, what the military reported sadly underrepresented what actually took place.
That’s understandable. I would expect anyone in charge at Abu Ghraib to take their time and be very, very careful about divulging anything until all the facts were known.
On the other hand, the scale and scope of what was going on there was way beyond what most Americans would imagine could happen at the hands of their own military.
Abu Ghraib was a tipping point, if not the tipping point, in the Iraq war.
Some history books, if not all, will say that’s why we lost.
What does it take sure to make that kind of cosmic screw up never happens again?
And yes, Mr. Pink, you still have to be Mr. Pink.
Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:06 pmAnd it looks like at least one heel needs darning, Eric.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:06 pmAbu Ghraib was a tipping point, if not the tipping point, in the Iraq war.
Some history books, if not all, will say that’s why we lost
Up is down, wet is dry, lies are truth!
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:14 pmAD, and we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:15 pmWe lost in Iraq?!?!? We covered up Abu Ghraib?!?!? Hacks is going to try try to beat his record of mendoucheousness. Between him and his fellow goat-buggerer, they are going for the Dynamic Duo of Douchenozzlery of the Day.
JD (29405c) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:16 pmHack’s reinvention of history of the Iraq War is rather typical of the trolls.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:20 pmGosh, SPQR, I guess that depends on the definitions of “losing” and “winning” a war.
It sure looks like we “lost” over there, true. The jihadis are in complete control!
Oh, wait….
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:24 pmI suppose there is an argument that it’s an oversimplification to say we lost the war in Iraq.
By some measures, we surely lost. By others, we have merely failed to win, yet. And by some others, indeed we have won.
I like to think, though, that when you win a war, it’s a net benefit to your national security and your moral standing, if not your treasury as well.
And by those measures, we lost, hands down.
I’d be interested to know what kind of cost/benefit analysis shows we’ve won.
Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:34 pmMy heart cries for you.
John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:37 pmCool, a new goalpost.
Of course, by Hack’s measure, no doubt the US lost every war we’ve ever fought. War of 1812? Lost. Mexican-American War? Lost. Blackhawk War? Lost. Civil War? Lost. Spanish-American War? Lost. World War I? Lost, thanks to that loser Woodrow Wilson. World War II? Lost thanks to that liar FDR and Truman’s war crimes at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Korean War? Lost – just ask Kim Il Sung.
This troll is boring me.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:38 pmA troll named Bunkerbuster inciting hatred
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (6b0eee) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:39 pmHey the mentally challenged are people too. Just smile blankly, ignore their social stupidities, wipe off the drool occasionally, and pat them on the head as a reward when they have a calm period.
And you defend all this. You are a grotesque pathetic moron.
No morality at all.
How many secret prisons does the US have? Who are their “partners”?
Comment by Flipping D. Bird
I feel so ashamed. Flip, will you forgive me if I cast my next vote for Obama ? I can’t vote for Nancy Pelosi but Barbara Boxer is coming up next year. I could vote for her. That ought to be some penance.
By the way, when those guys were “tortured” at Bagram, was that before or after Mike Spann was murdered by innocent “insurgents?”
Or Daniel Pearl’s head was sawed off.
Boy, that is a brilliant insight you’ve got there socks, I mean Flip.
Mike K (f89cb3) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:39 pmThanks Brad. I don’t always have the time to acknowledge your commitment to following my work. But, trust me, it’s appreciated.
Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:41 pmHax, isn’t this about the time you call me racist for hating those with my heritage?
John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:43 pmMore bunkerbuster fans
Bunkerbuster, I notice your last post was at 21:37
You know you’re supposed to be in bed by 21:00. You’re lucky Mommy and Daddy let you have internet in your bedroom, don’t abuse it or they may make you use the family PC downstairs.
And you won’t be able to use swear words then, like you do now.
You’re supposed to be using the internet for your homework anyhow. And more D’s in class & you’ll be grounded again.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (6b0eee) — 2/26/2009 @ 12:56 pmThe truth at last:
Bunkerbuster has a really small willy. I heard this through an ex-girlfriend of his.
Is that why he’s so bitter and hates the world?
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (6b0eee) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:00 pmDon’t pick on Hack’s,
well all know that prisoners are incapable of being liars, everything they claim can only be the absolute truth.
I don’t recall the gentlemans name but a book soon to be released explains that the guards at Gitmo are the ones being abused, having feces and urine thrown on them. Turns out the prisoners at Gitmo act just like the scumbag prisoners here in American prisons.
ML (14488c) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:05 pm#1 Daleyrocks – the lefties think that the comment you pointed out should get more play too. Another thing about the Obama administration that lefties and righties agree on!
“I did not witness any mistreatment of prisoners…..etc. …. conduct themselves in an appropriate way,” he said.
EdWood (8c572f) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:10 pmHaw Haw Haw! I love this comment. I bet if Gen. Holder went to any place anywhere in the world where “detainees” were being interrogated he would see the same thing…unless he went in as a “detainee”. What he would see then might be a little different, especially once the “fact finders” had left.
There was no cover-up of the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
If you’re attempting to cover something up, you do not start by announcing the event at a fucking daily press conference. It was four or five months after that announcement that the defense attorneys leaked the photos to pliant reporters, along with the “following orders” line of BS they were attempting to use for their defense.
That you buy into it says a hell of a lot about you.
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:12 pmAt last! Someone defends poor widdle misunderstood bunkerbuster
Awww. Now see what you nasty neocons have done? You’ve hurt the bunker’s feelings. You people are being mean to him, and to “liberal” weenies everywhere, and for no reason! Only because you’re neocon “spoiled sports”, “authoritarian unilateral militaristic” activists, who spout “BS”, and are given to “infantile attacks”!
Yes, those “ugly, infantile personal attacks so many conservatives unleash when their claims are challenged by liberals”, you nasty neocons with your “conservative proclivity for personal insult as a mode of political discourse”
I mean, we nice liberals, we don’t go around saying snotty things like “please try to read more closely…or, at all”, or “honestly it wastes my time to have to educate you”, now do we? Noooo. Sure, maybe we do like to misspell “chauvanist” over and over, or make cultured and intellectual references to insightful movie dialogue (”yee haw”), or pointed interjections to the conversation (”boogah boogah”), but that’s jes us smart guys messin wit ya. I mean, you do make “ludicrous arguments”, and all you chauvanists [sic] do have “ludicrously simplistic “moral superiority” notions”, but I don’t think you really mean to be funny, do you? Maybe because with “your paranoid and two-dimensional world view”, you can only make “stupied and racist comment”.
Yeah! How’s that!
Stop crying, bunker, they’re not worth it. They’re just a bunch of chauvanits!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (6b0eee) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:15 pmHacks, when you stopped beating your wife, why did you have her deported?
carlitos (2120d0) — 2/26/2009 @ 1:28 pmAnd Holder got how many millions of dollars from GITMO and still has millions coming this year?
Is there an honest democrat in the United States. The democrats have been, and are, far more dangerous to the United States than North Korea, Iran and all the terrorists organizations combined. Can we now list the democrat party as a terrorists organization?
Scrapiron (996c34) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:12 pmI still am baffled by the logic that because the US – while treating prisoners far far better than their native governments do – is imperfect in their treatment, that we lost the moral high ground.
Bizarre logic.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:28 pmwhere’s Elian? still in the gypsum mine?
pdbuttons (bbdd05) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:31 pmjust saying
I love how the Whine Club thinks jokes get BETTER with repetition…
Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:41 pmI see Hack’s case of projection is uncured.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:44 pmThis is the whine club?
And this whole time I thought it was the beer club.
ML (14488c) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:48 pmYou get beer? I gotta arrange a better deal with the right wing conspiracy, I don’t get any beer.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 2:50 pmComment by SPQR — 2/26/2009 @ 2:50 pm
You’re the designated driver.
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 3:05 pmAgain?
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 3:12 pmYes, and we need you to be very careful leaving the parking lot so as not to run over…..(bump)…Oh damn….
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 3:26 pmHax, are you OK?
Yes I get beer,
The Zionist send me a few cases of Hebrew with my monthly Zionist check.
Poor Hacks is missing out.
ML (14488c) — 2/26/2009 @ 3:30 pmI bet if Gen. Holder went to any place anywhere in the world where “detainees” were being interrogated he would see the same thing
Ooooh! Speak more Twoof to Plower! Tell us what the real story was, without all those pesky things like facts and verifiable observations getting in the way of your precious meme.
Frankenstein says – “rest of world good, US Baaaaad!”
Dmac (49b16c) — 2/26/2009 @ 3:36 pmHow unbelievably stupid does one have to be to believe that we lost in Iraq?
That takes some extra kind of stupidity.
It takes a incredible amount of self-delusion to be unwilling to admit the huge success which has been accomplished in Iraq. 20 million Iraqis just voted again in non-violent and non-rigged elections.
I know that the success of the “surge” reflects badly on the “messiah”, but honestly at this point what doesn’t? He has been and will continue to be a disaster, so his lack of judgment about actions in Iraq will be a small footnote in the debacle of this one-termer.
LogicalUS (f80a6e) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:13 pm“ the huge success which has been accomplished in Iraq.”
At what cost?
Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:21 pmRemember not to engage it with expectation for honest debate.
carlitos (54baf8) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:31 pmWell, it cost less the 3 Aug 45.
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:35 pm“than”…not “the”
AD - RtR/OS (cd7b06) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:36 pmHax is a typical lefty, they can put a price on life, its never above their pay grade.
I find it difficult to be any more amoral than that.
I would say the life and freedom of Hax is only worth about $0.001, if it cost more than that, he is not worth saving.
ML (14488c) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:43 pmWe will bear any burden, pay any price ….
JD (29405c) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:52 pm“I find it difficult to be any more amoral than that.”
Amorality isn’t a quantifiable. It’s like pregnant. You are, or you aren’t.
No surprise at all that you have that particular misunderstanding.
Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/26/2009 @ 4:57 pmHax
Are you trying to say that not only are you amoral, but you are also pregnant?
Are you really that crazy Octomom?
ML (14488c) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:06 pmTroll logic, its a wonderful thing.
SPQR (72771e) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:19 pmUnending bunk
BUNK:
“Carter has done this in many countries and elections and has an unassailable record of integrity and fairness. “
He has an unassailable record of being an unwitting (or not) dupe and useful tool for tyrants and dictators world wide, and a hindrance to a foreign policy that calls for moral clarity and certitude. Other than that, Im sure he’s a model of patriotism. To whom, Im not too sure…
“On lefty blogs,…I’ve taken the position that we should be careful in criticizing Chavez because the criticisms feed into a mindset that says bad political leaders need to be overthrown violently by the U.S.”
LOL! Oh, Im sure thats true. But on “lefty blogs” its not as though you’re going to run into anyone there thats willing to go to war for anything anyway, so you’re pretty safe there.
Take a moment and think about absurd you sound. You dont want to talk bad about a dictator because you’re afraid that, that alone would trigger a US invasion. Honestly, what the hell is wrong with you?
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (41f62d) — 2/26/2009 @ 5:24 pmThe troll continues on unabated, despite being beclowned, pantsed, defenestrated and disembowled. It truly is akin to Python’s “Duel with the Black Knight” –
(Arthur cuts off the Black Knight’s left arm)
Arthur: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
Black Knight: ‘Tis but a scratch.
Arthur: A scratch? Your arm’s off!
Black Knight: No, it isn’t.
Arthur: Well, what’s that then?
Black Knight: I’ve had worse.
Arthur: You liar!
Black Knight: Come on you pansy!
(Arthur cuts off the Black Knight’s right arm).
Black Knight: Come on then.
Arthur: What?
Black Knight: Have at you!
Arthur: You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
Black Knight: Oh, had enough, eh?
Arthur: Look, you stupid bastard, you’ve got no arms left.
Black Knight: Yes I have.
Arthur: Look!
Black Knight: Just a flesh wound.
And so it goes.
Dmac (49b16c) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:05 pmBradley, you wrote:
He isn’t posting to debate or discuss, Bradley. It’s just mindless obscurationist (!) contrarianism.
I doubt that the fellow has thought deeply about any political issue at all, beyond his surface feelings.
Look at the record here and elsewhere, and tell me I’m wrong.
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:16 pmOh no, Eric, I was just quoting someone else asking that question of bunkertroll.
No matter what the name, the troll’s dishonesty and bad faith are widely known. That is why the troll has to keep changing its name.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (41f62d) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:24 pmHax is like a soccer ball, only meant to be kicked around for our amusement.
ML (14488c) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:40 pmHe was when they waterboarded him. And last I checked, Morocco is a sovereign nation, Flippy.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 6:54 pmAbout a quarter of what we’ve spent in the last week or so.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/26/2009 @ 7:00 pmBradley, I love that name “bunkertroll.” Nice work. Or “verbositroll” is another possibility.
I’m glad you keep hammering the fellow with his own history. At least he decided it was smart not to bait Patterico too far.
But he’ll get back to that soon enough.
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 2/26/2009 @ 7:37 pmDmac, just for you…
the link is broken here, but, here is the video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
reff (ee9f7a) — 2/26/2009 @ 8:14 pm