Patterico's Pontifications

I will pre-emptively denounce you, and demand an immediate apology.

JD (ad7346) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:11 am

Even the LA Times is commenting on Obama’s fall in approval rating among the middle class. It’s not the front page but it’s there.

Additionally, Obama’s support has weakened among middle-class Americans, those touted during the campaign as benefiting from his promised tax cuts. Among that working crowd, Obama’s approval fell from 69% to 58%.

We’ll see if the Tea Party thing takes off. The lefties, as usual for people who have no investments, are clueless.

Mike K (90939b) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:18 am

The linked post wants people to consider withholding their mortgage payments for April as a protest.

How many conservatives are going to do that do you think? Not many.

Stashiu3 (460dc1) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:47 am

Bar for that honor is lower than a toads um..tushkis. Doesn’t require reading the mortgage plan or if read an ability to comprehend or any basis in reality. As long as it’s negative and gives Obama the finger for…well..for working his ass off to get the country back on a better economic footing.

Ah well…carry on ye bitter prophets of doom and failure and mistrust…carry on…

Peter (e70d1c) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:59 am

Another group hits the ground running!

http://www.resistnet.com/group/californiapatriots

IdahoGal (3f3949) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:15 am

Stash – I guess if you do not give a shit about your credit score, it would not be such a big deal. To those of us who do care about those things, and do not engage in silly pointless little protests, not so much 😉

JD (ad7346) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:18 am

I’ve got an idea. Instead of a trillion dollar stimulus package “with bonus mortgage relief.” Why don’t we just randomly select 1,000,000 American citizens and give them $1,000,000?

We could do it annually. Whee!

Christian (abaa8f) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:31 am

There is one worthwhile function of the New York Times. The archives contain such interesting bits of history.

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis…
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

That was from 2003. That is one reason why is probably not very worried about history even though moonbats are trying to try him and Cheney for war crimes.

Mike K (90939b) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:40 am

Mike K – The MSM does not like to look back at what they said. Nor does the Left. Redundant, I know.

JD (ad7346) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:48 am

Comment by Mike K — 2/24/2009 @ 9:40 am

Wasn’t this proposal the precursor to the paens to Raines by Barney and Maxine? And the claims of racism by the usual suspects on the House Banking Cmte?
They can run, but they can’t hide (except perhaps at Dodd’s Irish cottage).

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:54 am

That is exactly correct, AD, though we will never know that from the MSM or the Left. It is all about Bush’s de-regulation.

JD (ad7346) — 2/24/2009 @ 9:55 am

Earlier I thought that Obama and the Congressional Democrats were wasting money paying off their supporters to take credit for an inevitable economic recovery.

I’m now starting to think that Obama and the Congressional Democrats are making things much worse by their corrupt and incompetent actions.

SPQR (72771e) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:00 am

Does anyone know if there any earmarks in the new appropriations blivet for the lobster pot hoochies, as happyfeet calls them? How are they getting repaid for their votes?

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:03 am

lobster pot hoochies was an insta-classic.

JD (ad7346) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:06 am

lobster-pot hoochies….
Classic!
It’s not like they didn’t get enough in the “Stimulus” pork-fest bailing out ME’s Medicare system?

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:14 am

My comment above accidentally deleted the word Bush but everybody seems to have added it mentally, another reason why computers are still not ready to replace us.

The thing that puzzles me most is the fact that there are lefties (not many, of course) who own houses and are happy with Obama’s plans. Maybe they are upside down on the mortgage and figure they will get a bailout but it still surprises me to see people who should be outraged drinking the Obama brew (I’m tired of the koolaid meme).

I wonder how long it will take for people, who are not committed socialists, to tire of this amateur hour administration.

MIke K (90939b) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:49 am

“I wonder how long it will take for people, who are not committed socialists, to tire of this amateur hour administration.”

Have you read this bill? Might get some ire up!

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:

IdahoGal (3f3949) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:57 am

What BHO really has to worry about is that if he doesn’t move Left fast-enough, he will lose the support of those committed Socialists.
Once he starts taking pot-shots from the MoveOn, DailyKos crowd, he’s in trouble.
And, it is an amateur hour, isn’t it?

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 10:59 am

Hrmm, I’m getting a blank.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:00 am

I can’t read IG’s link. Takes me to a pseudo-blank page.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:02 am

Comment by IdahoGal — 2/24/2009 @ 10:57 am

So did I.

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:02 am

No media bias here.

Scandal-plagued Republican says Burris should resign

Why not “God damned dirty rotten Republicans ask black Senator to resign even though he has done nothing wrong that has been proven in court.”?

I guess it would be too long.

MIke K (90939b) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:24 am

Nobody ever ties many of these Republican scandals with the higher standards associated with Republicans. Half the Republican scandals over the past 15 years have either been baseless “seriousness of the allegation” Democrat attacks or actions completely permissible in Democrat circles.

If an anti-gambling conservative buys a raffle ticket, that’s a career-ending scandal. But if a pro-gambling liberal drops fifty large a week in Vegas, there’s nothing there.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:30 am

Vitter is plagued?

Oh, and linking to Thomas usually doesn’t work, as the search results expire. This should work. HR 45

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:33 am

Sometimes I think it is a shame SCOTUS cannot pre-emptively stop blatant constitution violations before they become codified. But I want to see the list of legislators who ultimately co-sign this unconstitutional bill and who vote for it made public. I have a feeling there will be heavy backlash on not a few of them.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:40 am

Why would we have to link to Thomas.gov? Obama is posting all of the bills at the white house site for at least 5 days of public comment.

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:42 am

Carlitos, I’m tired of watching you kowtow to the wretched one. You should be forced to listen to wall-to-wall Annette Funicello music, starting with Rock and Roll Waltz.

And would the last one out please close the sarc tags?

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 11:47 am

Can we amend HR-45 to include our Federal Voting License?…
and our Federal Free-Speech License?…
and let’s not forget our Federal Religion License?

Why do Leftists constantly have to re-create the Soviet Constitution, which guaranteed everything, and protected nothing?

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:07 pm

Truth will set you free? And that’s what liberals in power are afraid of?

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:13 pm

Mike K:
Care to explain why the Republican-led House and Senate could not approve the legislation proposed by their president and wholeheartedly supported by Frannie themselves?

You can repeat that sub-prime it’s-all-Barney’s-fault meme all you like — it has infected the wingnutosphere like chlamydia on a crack whore — but people who actually read a newspaper know better.

Republicans ultimately couldn’t muster support for Bush’s proposal because too many Republicans were understandably leery of creating a new government agency to solve a quasi-government agency’s problems. Democrats opposed it because they knew the agency would be stuffed with Bernard Keriks and Harriet Mier’s, i.e. Friends of W.

Remember, Frannie fully supported the Bush plan, so one wonders how you could blame Barney — cast in the wingnutosphere as Frannie’s bag boy — of killing it.

And the reformers — who certainly included some fair-minded and prescient Republicans as well as Democrats — didn’t let the issue just drop. They proposed another bill and that one actually managed to get out of committee. But alas, not good enough for the Bush team:

May 27, 2005
“U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow said Thursday that a bill passed by a House panel to stiffen oversight of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac must be beefed up to bring it in line with White House policy.”
…
“The House Financial Services Committee approved legislation by a vote of 65 to 5 on Wednesday that would create a regulator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with stronger powers and controls over their businesses.”

It’s hilariously telling how the wingnutosphere has latched onto Bush’s bill, which never made it out of the Republican-led committee, as if it just doesn’t occur to them to hold a Congress, a committee and a president the GOP controlled responsible for its own actions.

This is yet another case of the right-wing noise machine going boom and encouraging evidence that it’s done. The thriving just-blame-Barney meme is careening around virtually every right-wing blogs, echoing more loudly, even as the number of people exposing themselves to it dwindles, see: look there’s a gaping hole in the seat of my Pajamas Media.

Somehow, “just-blame-Barney” never makes it into the detailed four-part analysis of the Wall Street Journal. Or the outside examination of the Australian CPA Association or, certainly, the exhaustive analyses of the New York Times and other mainstream media. The noise machine only works if it’s loud enough to interfere with the speaking and thinking of the mainstream media, remember?

Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:22 pm

“They was giving me ten thousand watts a day, you know, and I’m hot to trot! The next woman takes me on’s gonna light up like a pinball machine and pay off in silver dollars!”

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:26 pm

So you guys saying Vitter isn’t “scandal-plagued”?

Talk about denial…

Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:26 pm

OK, who farted?

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:27 pm

as everyone is noting, this means that renters can’t buy the houses they would be able to afford without Obama’s interference. It’s hugely regressive.

Many smart people knew the bubble would burst and houses were way overpriced, so they waited while renting, which as tax disadvantages, expecting the price drops that would now be happening. Now, they have been screwed for being responsible, and some asshole with an Escalade, 5 TVs, and a fat mortgage gets a bailout at the expense of the renter who pays higher taxes.

Thanks Obama. It’s a freaking crime that the press will never ask Obama, point blank, how he feels about all the higher tax paying renters who waited for the obvious price drop that he has prevented with those renter’s tax money.

Joco (4cdfb7) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:29 pm

Care to explain why the Republican-led House and Senate could not approve the legislation proposed by their president and wholeheartedly supported by Frannie themselves?

Speaking strictly of the Senate, a bare majority often cannot push a bill through.

Let’s take a recent example when Obama was blaming Republicans for the stimulus bill not passing…even though both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats.

Granted, the bill eventually passed. But for some reason, it was the Republicans who were the bad guys on that.

Steverino (69d941) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:30 pm

The exit polls didn’t separate out Obama and McCain voters according to home ownership vis a vis renter status, but if you look at the demographics, it seems probable that renters went very heavily for Barack Hussein Obama, homeowners, no so much.

Now, if you fall behind in your mortgage, it can take a very long time before you can be foreclosed out of “your” home and kicked out on the street. Yet, if you are a renter, while some states make it a bit difficult, you can be out on the street much faster for non-payment.

And with the mortgage bailout, the people who voted more heavily for Mr Obama — renters, people making less than $50,000, and blacks — will not have as much access to the benefits of this, and be more likely to have to pay up to save someone else’s McMansion, while the people who gave a higher percentage of their votes to Mr McCain will have a greater probability of being able to benefit from this.

The Dana who enjoys Schadenfreude (3e4784) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:30 pm

I think the dog just went on the rug – over there, he’s cowering in the corner.

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:31 pm

Dana, I’m sure someone will write about this phenomenon of voters supporting someone against their own self-interest. They could call it “What’s the Matter with Detroit?”

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:35 pm

Steverino, feeding the dog will only create more feces – throwing.

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:35 pm

Second to Dmac’s observation. Talking to the troll is pointless, because it is not conversing in good faith.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:41 pm

And here it was so quiet and peaceful.

So if dogs don’t have hands, how do they fling poo?

Dmac, your opinion (I need a chuckle)?

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:51 pm

You can usually find the “just-blame-Barney” meme right next to the “FDR caused the Depression” experiment in surreality.

Hax Vobiscum (edacf7) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:55 pm

Did Vitter pay the correct Social Security taxes for that particular hire?

Official Internet Data Office (aaa692) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:56 pm

It seems misrepresentation is Hack’s only tool in the toolbox.

SPQR (72771e) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:57 pm

Well, the real reason that you’ve been sent over here is because they wanted you to be evaluated… to determine whether or not you are mentally ill. This is the real reason. Why do you think they might think that?

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 12:57 pm

Beautiful Hax. Simply beautiful. Well done.

Peter (e70d1c) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:03 pm

The dog’s not the sharpest tool in that toolbox to begin with, SPQR – but it’s definitely a massive tool.

So if dogs don’t have hands, how do they fling poo?

I can’t answer that one, Eric – but it appears to be suffering from a bad case of mange. If you take a quick look, it’s gnawing violently at it’s backsides, and scratching vigorously at the face as well. The forepaws look like bloody appendages at this point, so perhaps we’ll call it “stumpy” from now on.

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:10 pm

Hmmm. Ren and Stimpy come to mind. But I am not sure what kinds of creatures they were.

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:12 pm

Since Ren was the one with the Peter Lorre – sounding voice, I’d say that character was clever at times. OTOH, Stimpy was incredibly stupid, so I’ll go with that one.

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:21 pm

In real life, Peter Lorre was quite the ladies’ man. Cosmic justice, in my book.

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:29 pm

You haters are all just jealous of Obama’s greatness.

“President Obama has accomplished more in 30 days than any president in modern history,” a senior White House official said this morning in a background briefing for TV reporters.

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:32 pm

I think the dog just went on the rug – over there, he’s cowering in the corner.

Someone should whack him on the nose with the Wall Street Journal.

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:37 pm

Bernie Goldberg is laughing right now, carlitos. Isn’t this kind of thing insane?

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:41 pm

I guess it depends on one’s definition of “modern” and “history,” you know? Not to mention “30” and “days.”

And “president.”

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:42 pm

Now that we find that the Biden family was in business with the crook Stanford, is it too early to call the Obama administration the most crooked Presidential administration since LBJ?

SPQR (72771e) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:45 pm

Here’s what the Republican Chairman of the committee had to say:

“Sen. Richard Shelby (R., Ala.): [T]he federal government has [an] ambiguous relationship with the GSEs. (Frannie) And how do we actually get rid of that ambiguity is a complicated, tricky thing. I don’t know how we do it.”

He didn’t know how. Can’t fault him for that. It’s devilishly thorny, that quasi-government mortgage lender mess; just not amenable to Ayn Rand for Dummies fables. But Shelby’s confession of befuddlement does put the lie rather squarely to the “just-blame-Barney” meme.

Carlitos: instead of sucking on the teat of yet another WSJ opinion piece, I suggest you tackle their four part series on how the meltdown unfolded and what caused it.
What you’ll find is that massive leverage by investment banks skating on the thin-ice of phoney credit ratings is the primary cause here.

That’s why the blood really didn’t start flowing until Bear Stearns went under.

Sub-prime lending might have been a problem regardless, given that how many of the loans were made through sleazy independent originators with nothing to lose.

But the thing snowballed because the dominant investment banks had massive leverage into all manner of mortgage debt, including subprime CDOs, of course.

Without that leverage — delivered via the SEC at the behest of the Bush administration in 2004 — the current crisis could not have happened. Impossible.

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:57 pm

“Well I don’t wanna break up the meeting or nothin’, but she’s somethin’ of a cunt, ain’t she Doc?”

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 1:58 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el06R6fwm1U

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:01 pm

(scratches his head trying to remember the last WSJ opinion piece he read – maybe that teat-free thing about lowering the drinking age a few months ago?)

carlitos (ebd4ab) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:01 pm

“is it too early to call the Obama administration the most crooked Presidential administration since LBJ?”

Of course it’s not too early. Especially given that you folks are already saying Obama’s a radical communist/secret Muslim/terrorist sympathizer who’s birth certificate proves he doesn’t floss, hates caucasians and cheated on his bar exam.

Keep makin’ that big noise, SPQR, don’t let it die down…

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:04 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjIA3Rt7gk

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:06 pm

Sorry Carlito. I meant Pablo re the WSJ. My bad. That’s about the fifth time I’ve made that mistake. Something about the way the posting stack here. Lo siento..

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:07 pm

So Hack, you’ve no explanation about Biden’s connections with Stanford.

SPQR (72771e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:07 pm

SPQR, don’t engage it. Just throw out equally useless stuff in response to it.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:09 pm

What needs to be “explained” to you SPQR?

Stanford helped market a fund Biden’s brother and son ran.

Does that, in your mind, taint the Bidens?

If so, why?

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:12 pm

I want candy.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:16 pm

Which one of you nuts has got any guts?

carlitos (e53eae) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:16 pm

Please. Do. Not. Feed. The. Troll.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:17 pm

Thanks for reading Brad. I notice you came to this thread right after I did. Coincidence? I ring the bell, you slobber, right on cue. Hilarious.

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:22 pm

Murder By Numbers

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:25 pm

JH,
Good music video selections. They fuel my 80s nostalgia.
Here’s a non-music video that’s one of my favorites.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:29 pm

I found an Aussie publication that states that trolls should be dealt with under Rule .303!

I wonder if that will work?

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:29 pm

Care to document any of the regulars here making those assertions you claimed in #56, Hacks? Or should we assume that you are pulling shite out your arse again?

JD (f4f9e7) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:29 pm

Bradley, that’s the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:31 pm

Change the name Biden to Palin, and just imagine what the response would be to this story.

JD (f4f9e7) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:31 pm

Today’s Forrest Gump Figgers Real Good Award goes to John for:

“ SPQR, don’t engage it. Just throw out equally useless stuff in response to it.
Comment by John Hitchcock — 2/24/2009 @ 2:09 pm”
“Useless” indeed.
You could just not respond, creating the impression that you’re not reading my posts, but no, apparently, you can’t even imagine that.

And…good point JD.

It would indeed be a SHOCKA to learn that Palin’s brother and son were running a hedge fund.

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:33 pm

AD, if neccessary, it is most decisive to use the willy pete blooper rule.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:34 pm

Lawyers hired by mortgage finance giant Freddie Mac are quietly investigating the firm’s own $2 million lobbying campaign, The Associated Press has learned. The lobbying effort helped quash proposed new regulations on the company before the housing market collapsed.

It was not immediately clear how much Freddie Mac is spending to investigate its own conduct or whether it is spending any federal bailout money on the internal probe. The firm was placed under U.S. government control due to its massive investment losses.

One of Washington’s leading law firms, Covington & Burling LLP, has spent more than a month interviewing current and former Freddie Mac employees and executives, according to three people familiar with the matter. These people spoke on condition of anonymity because they fear reprisals if they were identified. The inquiry is led by former Justice Department prosecutor Stephen Anthony, who specializes in corporate internal investigations.

Freddie Mac board chairman John Koskinen confirmed for the AP that an inquiry is under way but declined to comment further. Anthony did not return phone calls and e-mails seeking comment. Corinne Russell, spokeswoman for the federal office that regulates Freddie Mac, declined to comment.

The internal investigation is happening even as the Obama administration provides $200 billion more in government assistance to Freddie Mac and its larger sister company, Fannie Mae. The two government-sponsored enterprises are the largest providers of home mortgages in America. Freddie Mac’s activities fall under oversight of the new Federal Housing Finance Agency, which describes itself as “a world-class, empowered regulator with all of the authorities necessary to oversee vital components of our country’s secondary mortgage markets.”

The inquiry inside Freddie Mac follows stories by the AP about the company secretly hiring Republican consulting firm DCI Group of Washington to stop a proposal in the Senate in 2005 sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. The legislation would have forced Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to sell hundreds of billions of dollars worth of assets from their portfolios of mortgages and mortgage-backed securities. At the time, the portfolios were highly lucrative but their value plunged when the housing market collapsed.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D96HAI100.htm

More at the link.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:34 pm

Ignoring them is usually the best way to deal with trolls. Eventually, even the most dimwitted troll will understand it has totally discredited itself. The stupider the troll, the longer it takes.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:36 pm

Lollipop

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:36 pm

Oooh! Oohhh! Over here!! Mista Kotter! OVAH HEAH!!!

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:40 pm

The stupider the troll, the longer it takes.

That explains the current situation, then.

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:43 pm

The real issue with trolls is one of power. If one responds to a troll, the action feeds it. Especially juvenile and obnoxious types, of which there have been many here. If you ignore the actions of such trolls, then the troll increases the volume, and even starts claiming “victory.”

For me, the important thing is that This. Is. Not. My. Blog.

It’s Patterico’s blog. And just as I wouldn’t go pick fights or be obnoxious in someone else’s house, I wouldn’t do so in Patterico’s place. The current problem has been long standing, and even had a prior banning.

So that may well mean that trolls can drive other people away from this blog for a period. That’s Patterico’s business.

But I agree that ignoring people with this one’s history (and supposedly their own blog) might be the best response.

Yet it was very peaceful earlier today. Too bad.

Eric Blair (c8876d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:43 pm

Glorious fuckheaded stupidity is what it brings, every time it drops by.

JD (f4f9e7) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:47 pm

EB, you don’t like my musical interludes?

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:50 pm

EB,
Patterico has been very effective in exposing media bias and errors. That agitates the troll. Since facts and reason are against it, the troll’s only weapon is to be disruptive.

I have utter confidence Patterico and his other hard-working colleagues here are more than competent to deal with that sad and petty annoyance, and will carry on with their important mission.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 2:59 pm

Oh, no – I was afraid this would happen – Stumpy’s now eating his own flung poo. Why do dogs always do that?

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:06 pm

Ugh! They have s..t for brains?

AD - RtR/OS (8de25e) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:08 pm

“-An accounting of the work done for the $2 million in payments to the DCI Group. It targeted 17 Republican senators in 13 states working to defeat Hagel’s regulatory legislation by convincing prominent constituents and financial contributors the bill would hurt the housing boom. The measure was never brought to a vote and died.

–An accounting of six-figure payments to 52 outside lobbying firms and political consultants in 2006, including details about what work, if any, the consultants performed for the money paid to their firms. The consultants included former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and ex-Sen. Alfonse D’Amato. The payments to the 52 consultants amounted to $11.7 million. D’Amato’s firm, which was paid $240,000, declined to comment. Gingrich’s firm was paid $300,000 for strategic advice on a number of issues.”

ROTFL…

Remember: Just blame Barney!

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:10 pm

Iam almost out of quotes from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

If (hacks) won’t take his medication orally, there is aniother way. But I don’t think he’ll like it.

carlitos (9e1dca) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:12 pm

Now the dog’s humping my leg, in a desperate bid for attention. Get down, Stumpy!

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:20 pm

They have s..t for brains?

No, just this one – he’s a mongoloid dog, bred with his mother a few years ago. Kind of like the opening scene of Deliverance (cue Carlitos)…

Dmac (49b16c) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:22 pm

Eric – did you know that Hacks likes to beshit itself while it beclowns itself?

JD (f4f9e7) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:24 pm

I think all trolls should be sent to sick bay. We were warned at Paradise Island that all sick bay trips started out with thermometers — and all thermometers were rectal rockets.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:26 pm

Can that chubby boy handle himself?

carlitos (34c931) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:28 pm

John: “ rectal rockets.”

Say it ain’t so!
So disappointing. I was just getting ready to crow that I had shamed the fan club into refraining from posting their homoerotic fantasies here. Well, at least Daley appears to be keepin’ it to himself these days.

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:31 pm

It’s medication time. or Shit yeah you’re in trouble and so am I.

Yours posted was one of my favorite lines. . . delivered by a real psychiatrist. . .

Well, the real reason that you’ve been sent over here is because they wanted you to be evaluated… to determine whether or not you are mentally ill. This is the real reason. Why do you think they might think that?

Vermont Neighbor (afceb8) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:32 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhXcEpajN0

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:35 pm

Poor little critter on the road, where were you trying to go?

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:41 pm

I like watching this one creating and then debating memes with itself that no conservatives here were advancing. It’s happened on several threads. The troll self-humiliates and discredits if you give it enough time.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:42 pm

Is that the Allegheny version of Hard Rock?

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:45 pm

Sometimes you have to lose yourself ‘fore you can find anything…

carlitos (4b1a03) — 2/24/2009 @ 3:53 pm

My goodness, how you guys get bent out of shape and vicious if anyone throws a little light onto your very narrow self serving worldview.

Anyone who speaks intelligently around here is an instant Troll. Or moderation.

Hi Pat. 😉

Peter (e70d1c) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:01 pm

Cowpunk. It’s mostly X with Dave Alvin from the Blasters.

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:09 pm

At the risk of being called a Troll (once again).

I am neither going to agree or disagree with Hax at this juncture.

I just know that The Tribe here is better at looking stuff up then I am.

Perhaps he is so trollish that you didn’t read #28?

Again, I don’t know if he is talking out of his arse or not.

Since I admit that I don’t have the facts on this issue, I just want to know if he was truly being ignored, or if no one has gotten around to checking his facts.

I will check back tomorrow (been busy lately).

If you tell me Hax’s comment #28 was ignored, or if you point out to a comment from “The Tribe” here that disputes it, I promise not to “Troll” on this subject.

Oiram (983921) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:20 pm

If you tell me Hax’s comment #28 was ignored…

That’s the one, Oiram. He’s demolished his opportunity to be taken seriously.

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:26 pm

Once upon a blog time…I was sent a very generous invitation to visit the blog of Patterico. And a very nice blog village it was. Many people interested in the days of our times, expressing various points of interest and views. Some agreeable with each other and some not. But every one was civil, and would debate honestly, and concede points of fact, and/or admit politely, that they might not have seen the point of view their generous opponent brought forth.

Amidst the villagers was a somewhat well spoken person. And he seemed to try to debate his points civily, untill he was called on them, with facts that refuted him. Some villagers called him as a troll, others disagreed and said he was just misinformend and should be given a chance. So the village gave him a chance. With that chance given, the ‘Vax’ brought fabricated scrolls in from out the land and insisted that everyone in the village listen to him read his screeds, and dared them not to agree with him. He ceased to debate honestly. He was laughed at and mocked.

A topic of concern amongst the villagers was a scroll that so tried to shame the land by declaring those of another far away land were doing the mean, nasty, hateful things the far away people did, because of the peaceful, liberty loving, people of our land.

Such that it was, ‘Vax’ was so discredited that he chose to directely insult the honesty and integrity of one of our beloved who asists in the freedom of our land.

The owner of Patterico Village demanded and apology from the troll or to be forever bannished. After much hemmming and hawwing the troll, so afraid he would not be able to continue with his worthless screeds, blew forth with a very short and insincere non-apology.

It appears that Mr. Patterico has left it to his villagers as to what to do with the troll. But I fear that with his unrepentent apology and the ways of his ilk, he won’t learn from this. And some villagers still insist on feeding the troll. If you continue to do so…without bannishement the troll shall continue and continue and continue. The enegizered troll! Ack!

With that, *curtseys*, thank you Mr. Patterico, and you good villagers for your hospitality. It has been a most lovely time, but the troll does get old. So I shall resume my status at other friendly villages that have better control over the trolls. My regards and best.

Stashiu3? I saulute you, Sir. Well done and thank you!

impa (774f62) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:35 pm

Thanks Impa. Good to know there are others in the fan club. And even better to know you won’t be posting anymore.

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:39 pm

Oiram,
#28 was posted by someone who has repeatedly misrepresented facts and outright lied, in other words, a troll. That title wasn’t awarded lightly. No one is obligated to examine claims made by someone of proven inaccuracy.

Perhaps not everything the troll says is false, but I don’t find it worth the effort to wade through the heaps of nonsense to find what’s accurate. My sympathies to those who do.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:39 pm

Some trolls, such as the one currently examining its navel lint, should be set on a pike for the carrions to dine on and for all visitors to see upon entry.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:42 pm

Patterico should take note of #99, where the troll admitted it wants to disrupt this blog by driving away readers.

I sympathize with Patterico, having had my own troll problems. Being fair, Patterico wants to go more than halfway to show he’s open to other points of view. Trolls parasitize those good intentions.

Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:48 pm

Why, if I didn’t know better, this comment….

“…And even better to know you won’t be posting anymore…..”

…would make me think that this blog isn’t Patterico’s!

Hax, that kind of childish commenting is perfectly okay on the blog that you claim to have (oh, I’m sorry, the blog that we “can’t prove” you don’t have)—your blog, your rules.

But you might consider posting very carefully right about now, based on past history.

You have been banned before for being a jerk. Seems to me that you are trying to see how offensive you can become.

It’s not your fan club here. You’ll find that on your own blog. It really is Patterico’s blog, and you really aren’t acting like it right now.

If all this is cool with our host, great. But Gresham’s Law applies to the Internet, too.

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 4:48 pm

I click on the comments of people I know and people I don’t know, and avoid threads totally where two or three people I know post comments. And I see that a lot of commenters from before are now absent altogether.

God forbid that Patterico should stop blogging like Patterico and blog like nk, but I too am concerned that two or three trolls are driving away two or three dozen serious commenters.

nk (b70aca) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:08 pm

“set on a pike for the carrions to dine on.”

Nice to see John moving from homoerotic fantasies to sadomasochism. I was hoping he’d stray a little further, and in another direction. but there you have it…

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:10 pm

People unclear on the concept, Exhibit A.

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:14 pm

nk – Nobody drives me anywhere, but if I wanted to engage in childlike and dishonest gameplaying, there are plenty of other sites on the net where I could do so.

I’m not Patterico, and this is, in the end, his site. But it’s my opinion that the trolls are merely here for attention.

I have better things to do.

Apogee (f4320c) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:20 pm

Hey Eric, so John doesn’t know what “carrion” means. I think we still know what he was tryingto say.

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:21 pm

John, you have to know I wasn’t writing to you. You post all the music you like. But Apogee and nk have a great point.

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:23 pm

The fact remains when that particular piece of rotten troll flesh arrives on a thread, the thread is instantly derailed. The likelihood of that thread ever getting back on topic is excruciatingly slim. Whatever benefit the troll may have provided to the community has long since been lost due to the troll’s dishonesty and unrepentency.

I would rather be able to discuss and debate topics than have to put up with this particular troll. I suppose 3am to noon my time are the only safe hours for honest discourse.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:25 pm

It is sad when a person decides to try to damage something that another person has built…and thinks it is some kind of game.

It’s much easier to damage things than it is to build them.

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:25 pm

EB, trust me, I’ll know when you aim at me. No worries.

John Hitchcock (fb941d) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:27 pm

Hey, just a short time until the dirty socialist’s substitute State of the Union Address. Woo-Hoo!!!!

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 2/24/2009 @ 5:47 pm

Comment by nk — 2/24/2009 @ 5:08 pm

Bait gets thrown, people bite, and so it goes. Personally I’ve never enjoyed fishing. It’s a tedious and unproductive pastime.

Dana (137151) — 2/24/2009 @ 6:52 pm

Back to the original topic. This may be a better quote of the day:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The San Francisco Chronicle joined the lengthening list of imperiled newspapers Tuesday as its owner set out to purge the payroll and slash other expenses in a last-ditch effort to reverse years of heavy losses.
If it can’t reduce expenses dramatically within the next few weeks, the Hearst Corp. said it will close or sell the Chronicle, northern California’s largest newspaper with a paid weekday circulation of 339,430.

great unknown (b751d2) — 2/24/2009 @ 7:08 pm

It’s a tedious and unproductive pastime.

Ah, Dana, so that explains the beer. Though there is an art to baiting. Some master it, a lot. But you’d think at some point the fish would quit falling for the old wiggly-worm-on-hook trick. Like the smart little fish who swims into a concrete wall says…dam. I vacillate between annoyance and amusement on my random visits. Won’t be the first or last blog to fall victim commenter [and poster–the one with the 3 initials starting with D] fatigue. You remember what happened at CW…

allan (7916a6) — 2/24/2009 @ 7:19 pm

I’m never troubled by what other people post on blogs. If it’s nonsense that presents an attractive rebuttal opportunity, I rebut happily. The worse the nonsense, the easier it is to rebut, so there’s no need to take up too much time or effort.
If the nonsense is so jejune or incoherent that it presents no opportunity for rebuttal or riposte, I ignore it without worry, and respond to other posts that are worthy.
Alas, the Whine Club here just isn’t capable of that. They just can’t bear to read what I write, nor can they rebut, nor can they ignore. So they whine and whine and whine…

Hax Vobiscum (23258e) — 2/24/2009 @ 7:32 pm

BGo fuck yourself Hax

carlitos (f6e132) — 2/24/2009 @ 7:47 pm

You really are an insufferable prick.

JD (0e6191) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:00 pm

Hack, you really have a problem connecting with reality, don’t you?

We’ve rebutted you right out of the park – your reaction has been to either ignore it or play a moving-the-goalpost semantic game to cover up the drubbing you’ve taken.

SPQR (26be8b) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:02 pm

I’m irrefutable, bitches!

Pablo (99243e) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:05 pm

BGo = “Go”

carlitos (3e7004) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:24 pm

Carlitos – 7:00 @ Gibsons in Rosemont tomorrow night?

JD (4680c5) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:28 pm

No can do. Giving up martinis for lent and would be too tempted. Also, going to be in guadalajara!

carlitos (3e7004) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:33 pm

I cannot wait until Dmac reads the faux-intellectual snobbish poseur language above in #126. We’ll be hearing a great deal more about “Whiskers” the ocelot, I’d wager.

What a ponce!

Eric Blair (9671e0) — 2/24/2009 @ 8:36 pm

My wife is pretty conservative but not that interested in politics. Of all the policies she has seen since moving to this country 25 years ago I think this idea about the mortgages is the one that has irked her the most. “What’s the point of being responsible all these years?” is her observation.

voiceofreason2 (10af7e) — 2/25/2009 @ 4:34 am

What did your wife say when you told her that she was a racist?

carlitos (30eb96) — 2/25/2009 @ 7:47 am

Please, please.

Do not respond to the troll or give him attention – that’s air to him.

Just let him slowly wither away due to neglect.

steve miller (6750af) — 2/25/2009 @ 8:23 am

Hax, have you no shame? I mean really sir what will you suggest next, that the earth is perhaps round, and not only that, but that it spin through the ether around the Sun?? You are truly preposterous. Unworthy dirty Troll seeking attention and to upset the natural order.

Begone with ye before Dmac cast a spell on you with her eye of newt.

Peter (e70d1c) — 2/25/2009 @ 8:41 am

Once a man took his young son out for a week in the country. The boy loved it, and rambled about hither and yon getting into everything. Until one day when he ran across a dead dear.

Frightened, he ran back to his father to tell him about his momentous discovery. After some effort he finally got his father to return with him to the site where the deceased cervid lay. When they arrived the boy wanted to know, “What is that, Dad?”

His father replied, “Carrion, my wayward son.”

Alan Kellogg (14f94e) — 2/25/2009 @ 6:13 pm

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