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I knew McCain was missing the boat by not going after the gang demographic.

CW Desiato (614aa7) — 11/6/2008 @ 10:34 am

After plunging 486.01 points yesterday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is down another 433 points so far today.

CHANGE!

Official Internet Data Office (df6254) — 11/6/2008 @ 10:50 am

The credit card President. How about a Visa ad for ’08 ? The White House. ~~Priceless~~.

Affordable.

Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:09 am

Oh no the least of us have made their decision and they choose Obama………………..

Hide the Woman, get your guns, bury your gold!

Oiram (983921) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:28 am

Yesterday, on BET, they had a panel with a couple of journalists and a culture expert and they asked if Barack would have an Undersecretary of Hip Hop.

JD (008a90) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:36 am

They’re just positioning themselves for potential cabinet openings.

What’s wrong with that?

A Dude (5a6552) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:39 am

How appropriate. Thugs supporting one of their own.

Dr. K (f196bc) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:43 am

#6 What’s wrong with that? They’re just positioning themselves for potential cabinet openings.

Obama is going to be the new president……. not G.W. 😉

Oiram (983921) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:43 am

Rahm Emanuel is leaving the House to be The Chosen One’s chief of staff . . . or, given his record, the chief of earmark procurements.

And it’s all uphill (sarc.) from here.

Icy Truth (0466e6) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:44 am

the least of us have made their decision

Oiram, don’t you take all the credit for this. Europeans put alot of money into this campaign. Acorn worked hard, too. You’re like a guy who’s in the state senate, taking credit for someone else’s legislation. It only works once in a lifetime.

Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:45 am

Yeah, it’s ironic isn’t it, Oiram? The “least of us” have voted by secret ballot to elect someone who will eliminate secret ballot voting for unionization.

Icy Truth (0466e6) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:51 am

Actually, I am quite heartened by this. The person responsible for this graffiti took time to care and express (albeit in an unconventional manner) his political opinion and support.

To be honest I am not certain what the symbols and numbers are all about, but the central theme of the author’s message is quite clear and distinct – no name-calling, cuss words, or negative commentary; just a simple expression of “A Change…Obama”.

Truthfully, I have seen far less rational commentary from President-elect Obama’s supporters than from this graffiti-author.

It is often a good thing anytime a fellow citizen chooses to become a stakeholder in our Country. It is possible that is what just occurred.

Maybe, hopefully—

Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:22 pm

That looks more like the work of a tagging crew than an actual street gang.

Aldo (4ca181) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:23 pm

What does Pons Asinorum mean?

JD (008a90) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:31 pm

Bridge of Asses?

I like this Pons person. Much. Good writer. Good thinker.

JD (008a90) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:31 pm

Of course, everyone knows what the code “5150” means, from its popular reference as a Van Halen album title. Here’s 5152:

5152. (a) Each person admitted to a facility for 72-hour treatment
and evaluation under the provisions of this article shall receive an
evaluation as soon as possible after he or she is admitted and shall
receive whatever treatment and care his or her condition requires for
the full period that he or she is held. The person shall be
released before 72 hours have elapsed only if the psychiatrist
directly responsible for the person’s treatment believes, as a result
of the psychiatrist’s personal observations, that the person no
longer requires evaluation or treatment. However, in those
situations in which both a psychiatrist and psychologist have
personally evaluated or examined a person who is placed under a
72-hour hold and there is a collaborative treatment relationship
between the psychiatrist and psychologist, either the psychiatrist or
psychologist may authorize the release of the person from the hold,
but only after they have consulted with one another. In the event of
a clinical or professional disagreement regarding the early release
of a person who has been placed under a 72-hour hold, the hold shall
be maintained unless the facility’s medical director overrules the
decision of the psychiatrist or psychologist opposing the release.
Both the psychiatrist and psychologist shall enter their findings,
concerns, or objections into the person’s medical record. If any
other professional person who is authorized to release the person
believes the person should be released before 72 hours have elapsed,
and the psychiatrist directly responsible for the person’s treatment
objects, the matter shall be referred to the medical director of the
facility for the final decision. However, if the medical director is
not a psychiatrist, he or she shall appoint a designee who is a
psychiatrist. If the matter is referred, the person shall be
released before 72 hours have elapsed only if the psychiatrist making
the final decision believes, as a result of the psychiatrist’s
personal observations, that the person no longer requires evaluation
or treatment.
(b) Any person who has been detained for evaluation and treatment
shall be released, referred for further care and treatment on a
voluntary basis, or certified for intensive treatment, or a
conservator or temporary conservator shall be appointed pursuant to
this part as required.
(c) A person designated by the mental health facility shall give
to any person who has been detained at that facility for evaluation
and treatment and who is receiving medication as a result of his or
her mental illness, as soon as possible after detention, written and
oral information about the probable effects and possible side effects
of the medication. The State Department of Mental Health shall
develop and promulgate written materials on the effects of
medications, for use by county mental health programs as disseminated
or as modified by the county mental health program, addressing the
probable effects and the possible side effects of the medication.
The following information shall be given orally to the patient:
(1) The nature of the mental illness, or behavior, that is the
reason the medication is being given or recommended.
(2) The likelihood of improving or not improving without the
medication.
(3) Reasonable alternative treatments available.
(4) The name and type, frequency, amount, and method of dispensing
the medication, and the probable length of time the medication will
be taken.
The fact that the information has or has not been given shall be
indicated in the patient’s chart. If the information has not been
given, the designated person shall document in the patient’s chart
the justification for not providing the information. A failure to
give information about the probable effects and possible side effects
of the medication shall not constitute new grounds for release.
(d) The amendments to this section made by Assembly Bill 348 of
the 2003-04 Regular Session shall not be construed to revise or
expand the scope of practice of psychologists, as defined in Chapter
6.6 (commencing with Section 2900) of Division 2 of the Business and
Professions Code.

5152.1. The professional person in charge of the facility providing
72-hour evaluation and treatment, or his or her designee, shall
notify the county mental health director or the director’s designee
and the peace officer who makes the written application pursuant to
Section 5150 or a person who is designated by the law enforcement
agency that employs the peace officer, when the person has been
released after 72-hour detention, when the person is not detained, or
when the person is released before the full period of allowable
72-hour detention if all of the following conditions apply:
(a) The peace officer requests such notification at the time he or
she makes the application and the peace officer certifies at that
time in writing that the person has been referred to the facility
under circumstances which, based upon an allegation of facts
regarding actions witnessed by the officer or another person, would
support the filing of a criminal complaint.
(b) The notice is limited to the person’s name, address, date of
admission for 72-hour evaluation and treatment, and date of release.

If a police officer, law enforcement agency, or designee of the
law enforcement agency, possesses any record of information obtained
pursuant to the notification requirements of this section, the
officer, agency, or designee shall destroy that record two years
after receipt of notification.

5152.2. Each law enforcement agency within a county shall arrange
with the county mental health director a method for giving prompt
notification to peace officers pursuant to Section 5152.1.

Icy Truth (0466e6) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:32 pm

#12 – Yes, I agree that defacing public or private property is always within one’s rights of self expression.

I just wonder why civilized people refrain from doing it more often.

Dr. K (f196bc) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:44 pm

That looks more like the work of a tagging crew than an actual street gang.

And the difference is????

Another Drew (57deb8) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:50 pm

more…
Here in the Greater-LA area, we have had several people killed by tagging crews for having the impertinence to remind these cretins that what they were doing was against the law.

Therefore, my question…
The difference is?

Another Drew (57deb8) — 11/6/2008 @ 12:57 pm

Dear JD (#15):

Thank you for the kind words, JD.

Same for you JD (although you are a better writer: you write with far fewer words, hit the nail on the head, and are often quite funny).

Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9) — 11/6/2008 @ 1:00 pm

Thanks, Pons. But as you well know, I am a vile sexist racist jingoistic xenophobic hate-filled homophobe.

Is there a back story to the Bridge of Asses name?

JD (008a90) — 11/6/2008 @ 1:02 pm

Icy Truth (#16) beat me to the punch.
I guess this means O’Bama must get his evaluation “as soon as possible after he is admitted.”

MOG (c949f7) — 11/6/2008 @ 1:37 pm

Dear JD (#21):

“…I am a vile sexist racist jingoistic xenophobic hate-filled homophobe.”

Aren’t we all?

The term Pons Asinorum means Bridge of Asses, the idea being if one could not understand a basic concept, then there is no hope of understanding more complex concepts.

In olden times, if a student could not understand the Pons Asinorum theorem, that student would be considered unworthy and not allowed to study more advance topics (kind of like an early SAT test).

Recently, I came across that term in my own studies of mathematics and saw a connection to the world of politics. Lack of history, lack of understanding root causes, lack of knowing solutions attempted, lack of knowing solutions failed, lack of being open minded to learn these things, etc – all leads to a political philosophy similar to American Leftists (idealistically paradise, but in practice it leads to death, destruction, suffering and misery). This has happened over and over again (but with different philosophical names).

It amazes me how so many cannot learn to cross the Bridge of Asses.

Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9) — 11/6/2008 @ 1:41 pm

I like this Pons person. Much. Good writer. Good thinker.

JD (008a90) — 11/6/2008 @ 1:45 pm

You too JD.

Thanks

Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9) — 11/6/2008 @ 2:15 pm

Rahm Emanuel is leaving the House to be The Chosen One’s chief of staff . . . or, given his record, the chief of earmark procurements.

Let me fix that for you, Icy Truth:

Mayor Daley has appointed Rahm Emmanuel to hold Obama’s leash.

(There’s a German word, kettenhund, that really does not bring all its connotations with it when translated into English. Let’s just say that one dog will be leading another.)

nk (95bfab) — 11/6/2008 @ 3:54 pm

Mayor Daley has appointed Rahm Emmanuel to hold Obama’s leash.

The German example is especially appropriate. Yes, Barry’s back in class again. New campus with a locker and dorm all ready to go. They’ll tell him what to study, what assignments to tackle. It’s a big job. Even Class President has more authority. For the record, I have always feared George Soros.

Vermont Neighbor (5ea336) — 11/6/2008 @ 6:26 pm

Stop and consider the “X” placed over the “O” in “Obama.”

In gang culture, this means that the tagger hates his rival gang whose name begins with “O” so much that he can’t use the letter “O” without showing his disrespect by putting an “x” over it.

Now this is not a disrespect to Obama. But the irony is that the supposed change brought about by “The One” is lost on these gang bangers. They ain’t gonna change. And neither will the bullys of the world who are now showing disrespect to him.

Alta Bob (408027) — 11/6/2008 @ 9:50 pm

90’s (190’s?) Hoover Gangster Crips…. IIRC.

/been awhile since i w*rked that part of town and the pic is not the best, not to mention my placa reading is a bit rusty.

redc1c4 (27fd3e) — 11/6/2008 @ 11:41 pm

An endorsement? hardly. A penal code reference to people being committed to a mental institution?

The question mark after ‘change’?

The X-out of the letter O in Obama’s name?

Based on a number of conversations I’ve had with African-Americans over the past few days, there’s more than a few that were, let’s say, less than enthusiastic about the prospect of Barry in charge – they not only didn’t care to drink the kool-aid, they recognized exactly what he was doing to win, and found it repugnant. Unfortunately, most of the ones with the clearest idea of what sort of individual we were actually dealing with were, by and large, also much too apathetic or cynical about the entire process to go and vote, much less speak out and cause a ruckus with those in mid-swoon over The One.

As for the gang graffitti – players always gonna spot another player. . .and I think that’s what this says.

Wind Rider (22ee44) — 11/7/2008 @ 3:55 am

“…all leads to a political philosophy similar to American Leftists (idealistically paradise, but in practice it leads to death, destruction, suffering and misery).”
Comment by Pons Asinorum — 11/6/2008@ #23.

Not unlike JFK’s: “Community Mental Health Centers Act of 1963”. The federal law that wound up causing the drug epidemic beginning in the mid-60’s and the resulting homelessness of the mentally ill.

“I like this Pons person. Much. Good writer. Good thinker.”
Comment by JD — 11/6/2008 @ #24.
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So do I.

C. Norris (226e93) — 11/7/2008 @ 7:48 am

How long until DC statehood?

No way back.

Amphipolis (fdbc48) — 11/7/2008 @ 9:00 am

How long is it going to take for Obama and his leftist illuminati ideals to start going away from his grandiose campaign promises? It will be interesting to see the over/under on that.

Jeff (024c6a) — 11/7/2008 @ 12:58 pm

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