[Guest post by DRJ]
I watched the Vice Presidential debate on Fox News but I didn’t watch any other programming, which means I missed some big fireworks: Bill O’Reilly yelling at Barney Frank (and vice versa) and Dick Morris yelling at Alan Colmes.
— DRJ
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Multi-tasker that I am, I saw all of that, plus the Phillies beating the Brewers. Thanks for the links, those were worth re-watching.
driver (56cdca) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:03 pmLast night was not a good night to be a Donk on Fox News…both idiots had it coming…
fmfnavydoc (0dd45c) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:04 pmBarney Frank simply out and out lied about what it was he said in the clip from the CNBC tape that O’Reilly played.
He said: They “are fundamentally sound. They’re not in danger of going under. They’re not the best investment these days from a long term stand-point going back. I think they’re in good shape going forward.”
So, for him to say taht O’Reilly mischaracterized his comments in attributing to him the losses suffered by investors who bought shares in Fannie/Freddie is simply a bald face lie by Frank.
Combined with him leading the effort to avoid regulation of Fannie/Freddie in the aftermath of the accounting scandal in 2004, a more clear case for a member of Congress to be removed from his post would be hard to find.
wls (26b1e5) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:05 pmMorris may not be the best person in the world, but he is the sharpest pundit. Colmes is a fool. He is the useful idiot Fox needed to balance Hannity.
I will be shocked if FNC does not limit Morris’ appearances now. It’s a damn shame. FNC did not back up Michelle Malkin when she was insulted by Geraldo. I fear they will back up Colmes.
Ed (385e88) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:15 pmO’Reilly is an asshole for missing an opportunity to take Frank apart like a frog in a high school dissection experiment. There is so much material to work with. Frank’s boyfriend working for Fannie, contributions to Dodd, Frank, and Obama, Frank’s “rolling the dice comment,” Frank blocking reform by the GOP and McCain. Any decent interviewer could have done it, and with civility.
O’Reilly instead let Frank slip away with hystronics. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
As for Dick Morris and Alan Colmes, Morris lost his temper but was effective in doing so. Colmes was trying to talk over him and put words in his mouth and Morris was not having it. Sometimes anger works and that time I thought it was fine. There should be no bite back to Morris, he was right to fight back.
Joe (dcebbd) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:35 pmI think Bill has personally lost a lot of money in the market. He’s very emotional on the subject.
He did open up a major can of whoopass on Barney, though.
I’m surprised many other guests haven’t exploded on Colmes also, he’s a weasel.
What I like about Hannity is that every team needs a little terrier who takes hold of your pant leg, shakes it and doesn’t let go until your leg comes off. He just pounds and pounds in a very effective way. No wonder the intellectuals dislike him.
PC14 (ec0516) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:36 pmI am an O’Reilly fan. I think the reason so many leftists hate O’Reilly is that he is not as easy for them to dismiss as O’Reilly’s merely partisan colleague Hannity. I think that this time O’Reilly got it wrong. No reasonable investor could have viewed the comments of Barney Frank that O’Reilly played at the beginning of the segment as encouragement to invest in Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. O’Reilly was wrong (at least to the extent he was saying that investors relied or could have reasonably relied on what Frank said in the clip) and he behaved badly. I hope O’Reilly apologizes.
Ira (28a423) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:37 pmO’Reilly is a tiresome blowhard, but once in a great while he gets a few shots in where it’s most deserved. Frank’s continued reluctance to take any responsibility for this mess is truly excreable – he dserved a worse beating than what O’Reilly gave him.
Dmac (e639cc) — 10/3/2008 @ 1:39 pmJoe said it well, O’Reilly really messed up. But then he is very good at it. (Making an ass out of himself while attempting to dress down another).
TC (f398ed) — 10/3/2008 @ 2:29 pmO’Reilly needs to retire to HDNet, where he can provide commentary to balance Dan Blather.
Beldar (7f8870) — 10/3/2008 @ 2:32 pm(I’m not defending Barney Frank, by the way. It’s outrageous that he hasn’t already been drummed out of all Congressional leadership positions, much less that he’s speaking for the Dems on the economic stability bill designed to address the crisis that he, more than almost anyone else (except maybe Chris Dodd) is responsible for causing. But screaming tantrums like O’Reilly went into with him are just not acceptable.)
Beldar (7f8870) — 10/3/2008 @ 2:35 pmThat the Dems continue to march Frank and Dodd out in front of this issue shows that their perfidy knows no bounds.
jharp's doppelganger (f7900a) — 10/3/2008 @ 2:38 pmItraTrade gives Frank an overwhelming margin of eleventy funtabillion!
harpy's mouth sores (e639cc) — 10/3/2008 @ 2:52 pmBut screaming tantrums like O’Reilly went into with him are just not acceptable.
Using a residence as a front for homosexual prostition is not acceptable.
Homosexuals are in incapable of acceptable action.
I find it hard to believe that Bill caused Bareny greater harm than the physical damage ” the gift” will ultimatley do to his body.
If Fwannk has not found his present yet, lets all hope he does soon.
highpockets (eee2ff) — 10/3/2008 @ 8:34 pmEarly on, when President Bush invited both Chris Dodd and Barney Frank to the big emergency White House meeting to discuss the crisis and roll-out the bailout plan, that’s when it first became obvious the Democrats were going to get cover for causing the sub-prime meltdown.
George W Bush give Dodd and Frank the official stamp of approval. His decision to include the two most responsible perpetrators is the political coin which paid for the participation of Democrat Leaders in the bailout.
Everything from there on was window dressing, with the one exception of the first House vote, they hadn’t counted on such massive rejection by taxpayers and voters. But, it didn’t take long to work around the people’s objections and force the bailout package through Congress.
Yesterday, October 3, 2008 was the day representative government in the USA ceased to have effective meaning. We are now a nation adrift, disconnected from our government, under attack by Islamic terrorism, propagandized by an arrogant and agenda driven media, and diveded by the Democrat Party’s stealth candidate for President. I can’t recall a more perilous time.
Ropelight (1be620) — 10/4/2008 @ 7:14 am