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Ropelight (1be620) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:48 pm

Some cheap editing on that last bit, but even I found the whole thing pretty funny 🙂

Bob Loblaw (6d485c) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:58 pm

Don’t forget he did a pretty good job of beating McCain in a debate w/o a teleprompter. Even if McCain was too arrogant and afraid to look at him for fear he would lose control.

That’s reassuring in a potential President.

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:00 pm

Anyhow, that was funny. Thx DRJ.

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:06 pm

Not to get all tu quoque on you, Bob, but you’ve gotta admit that that “cheap editing” is exactly the sort of thing that’s been used constantly to portray Bush as an idiot.

Not trying to instigate, just pointing out. Carry on.

Chris (6733a5) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:16 pm

Chris – That is acceptable, in pursuit of Teh Narrative.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:19 pm

Even if McCain was too arrogant and afraid to look at him for fear he would lose control.

Yeah, that must be it – he was too arrogant and afraid. Do you understand that you basically stated an oxymoron in that sentence? Because as we all know, McCain’s a big ‘fraidy cat about almost anything in his life.

Jeebus.

Dmac (e639cc) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:22 pm

Dmac – That whole afraid thing is a meme the Dems have been trying to push for years now.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:29 pm

#7 Dmac

Because as we all know, McCain’s a big ‘fraidy cat about almost anything in his life.

Alright, maybe that’s the wrong way to describe it, but do you think it was appropriate or reassuring for a potential president to behave that way?

Elections are a contest where the overall strategy has to dovetail with what we would see in an individual if he actually became President, and that’s no way for the President of the United States to act towards anyone in a public event even if he is your opponent and I mean especially if he’s your opponent. You act civil and polite and keep your cards close to your chest.

What is so hard about that? It would seem to me that’s how you exude confidence and ability.

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:37 pm

But it must be true, JD – McCain has never really pissed off his own party members, it was all a big joke! We just fail to see that he’s secretely scared to death of what others may think of him, that’s why he continually goes against their wishes! Oh, look, here comes an opponent from the other party, he’s going to be mean to me! Eeek! Mommy!

Someone tell me again which candidate went back on his earlier agreement to hold a series of Townhall debates? Then please tell me who’s the chickensh-t in that scenario?

Dmac (e639cc) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:38 pm

Heh! Do Jennifer Joyce and Bob McCullough know about this yet, BTW?

nk (5335a4) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:38 pm

You act civil and polite and keep your cards close to your chest.

You mean like when The Messiah gesticulated wildly with his forefinger and constantly interrupted McCain? That’s what you like to see in your candidate for the Presidency? That kind of schoolyard behavior just oozes civility and politeness in your world, eh? And McCain’s supposed to respond to that kind of crap with deference and humility, rather than with the obvious condescension it so richly deserved?

You must be watching way too much Olby and Matthews – and The Messiah’s constant referencing of McCain as “John” was clearly designed to get McCain pissed off, but he didn’t go for the clumsy bait. Yes, that really bespoke all mannner of class and civility for The Messiah.

Dmac (e639cc) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:44 pm

Okay, I can’t help myself…but Peter, do you honestly think, objectively, in a completely different context, that in a debate between two people, a person whose major offense is not looking at the other person in the debate is being less “civil and polite” than another person whose major offense is constantly attempting to interrupt the first person and thus not allowing that person to finish his or her statements?

Chris (6733a5) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:44 pm

And that’s what I get for not refreshing.

Chris (6733a5) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:45 pm

You mean like when The Messiah gesticulated wildly with his forefinger and constantly interrupted McCain?

McCain continually went way over his allotted time. The rules are the rules. Obama was engaged and assertive, but polite.

Do Senators need to call each other Senator this and senator that?

I may be wrong on this, but I don’t believe I heard McCain use Obama’s name even once when referring to him. I’d say that’s pretty insulting not too mention another blatantly demeaning gesture.

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:02 pm

Chris: No, I agree the editor will always be comedy’s best friend. And there was no editor at work on that first clip.

Even so, I think you would have to admit Bush is amazingly accomplished at getting both feet into his own mouth without any assists.

Bob Loblaw (6d485c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:08 pm

Peter,

The “way over his allotted time” doesn’t compute for me. Didn’t Lehrer make a point of saying near the end of the debate that the candidates had used equal amounts of time, so he [Lehrer] didn’t need to limit one of them in the last minutes of questioning?

DRJ (c953ab) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:11 pm

But the troll is just fine with familiarity of the magic, arrogant NWA using first names over and over. Yes, its all about double standards, deception, Obama Brown shirts and all the bullshit ads for the Big O assclown, hypocrisy, inexperience, secretiveness, terrorist/racist/criminal pals of Baracky Hussein. I’ve seen enough of the junior neophyte that I have no respct at all for him- senator or not. Senators as a class (and few have much class) should be barred from running for POTUS or veep.

madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:15 pm

Bob Loblaw,

I think it’s a Bush family trait. As Ann Richards once said of George H.W. Bush, “Poor George. He can’t help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

DRJ (c953ab) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:16 pm

DRJ:

The “way over his allotted time” doesn’t compute for me.

I’m entirely willing to believe that I may be wrong about that, I wasn’t exactly timing it, but I thought the time got made up on the multiple retorts from both, when Lehrer was trying to move on to the next question.

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:26 pm

I do specifically remember Lehrer saying that the candidates had gotten equal time, just to add my voice.

And, yeah, Bush can certainly sound dumb at times without editing…and, as the first clip shows, so can Obama. And so can Biden, as any number of dumb comments made just in the past week can show. And, likely, so can McCain or Palin, though, to be frank, I don’t notice them as much, almost certainly because of my partisan bias. The overarching point is, if a large enough amount of what ANYONE says is recorded on tape for posterity, as it has been in this election more than any in history, anyone – you, me, probably even Martin Luther King/Patrick Henry/insert your favorite famous orator here – will sound like an idiot fairly often. And, to me, that just makes that whole exercise of “who said something dumb today?” a bit silly.

But don’t get me wrong, I’m gonna love hearing the next stupid thing Biden or Obama say. 😉

Chris (95a123) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:36 pm

DRJ: Hahaha.

Ann Richards & Molly Ivins are two of the sharpist witted gifts to ever come out of Texas.

Bob Loblaw (6d485c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:39 pm

oh, and Lehrer said the bit about each having had equal time at about the half-way point – might even have been a little bit earlier, just before finally actually getting into foreign policy?

Bob Loblaw (6d485c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:42 pm

Hmm…I thought it was a bit farther into it than that, though I’m just going off of memory…but I’m sure that Obama had already tried to cut off McCain a couple of times before that, so…well, I guess the point still stands, for what it’s worth.

Chris (95a123) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:44 pm

use Obama’s name even once when referring to him. I’d say that’s pretty insulting not too mention another blatantly demeaning gesture.

So we must assume that you now think McCain’s an obvious racist – your train of thought’s leading to that unremarkable conclusion, right? Man, Obama’s minions have got people like yourself signed, sealed and delivered on teh narrative.

Dmac (e639cc) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:46 pm

I guess from now on we’ll be reading political performance grades based on the rules of Emily’s Post.

Dmac (e639cc) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:48 pm

So, when Baracky was debating President Bush instead of Senator McCain, was that considered to be impolite?

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:53 pm

Peter, Did you see a different debate than I did? Obama was the only one who lost his temper. I especially like his plan to give everyone a tax break, stimulate job growth by taxing the bejesus out of business, give everyone health care and somehow have a surplus. He would promise everyone a magical unicorn if he thought they would believe him. He is from my home town, the home of Democratic tax and spend. We have the highest taxes of any city in the country and a 400 million dollar budget deficit thanks to the mentors of Obama.

Bfidler (e6db0a) — 9/30/2008 @ 6:01 pm

Bfidler – To them, what you describe is a feature, not a bug.

While I am thinking about it, if cfbleachers is out there, I wanted to congratulate you on your Cubs making the playoffs. That will likely make the ensuing meltdown even more painful, but celebrate being there 😉

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 6:11 pm

So we must assume that you now think McCain’s an obvious racist

I was thinking more along the lines of a condescending, arrogant, entitled loser twat.

IMHO.

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:27 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of a condescending, arrogant, entitled loser twat.

IMHO.

Would you change your opinion if he came out in favor of government subsidies for KY Jelly?

nk (5335a4) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:53 pm

What debate were you watching??

Peter (e70d1c) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:28 pm

Peter,I watched the one where BHO attempted to debate with George Bush. The one where McCain made the unpopular but true comment that a lot of spending needs to be frozen. The one where Obama talked about providing tax cuts, health care and anything else he could to lie and buy votes. When McCain made a point all Barry could do is say “Oh yeah, we’re gonna do that too!” Empty suit is the perfect description.

Bfidler (e8f3cb) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:11 pm

#33

Well maybe listen closer next time, leave some of your partisan damage at the door and try and pay attention.

#18 Madmax:

But the troll is just fine with familiarity of the magic, arrogant NWA using first names over and over.

Max, if you were vying for the TOTAL DICK award in this thread, let me just say you won hands down.

Congratulations.

Peter (e70d1c) — 10/1/2008 @ 12:09 am

Peter, please elaborate. Am I misrepresenting what happened in some way? Did Obama not speak of paying for college, healthcare, and still somehow cutting taxes and balancing the budget? Did he not agree with most of Mccain’s positive points and attempt to integrate them into his own plans? Did he give an economic explanation on how all the goodies would be paid for? It won’t be by cutting military spending, since he bragged about all the ass kicking he is going to do. Please respond, I need a good chuckle.

Bfidler (e8f3cb) — 10/1/2008 @ 12:52 am

Bfidler: Am I misrepresenting what happened in some way?

Absolutely. Pure GOP Talking Points Drivel.

Did Obama not speak of paying for college, healthcare, and still somehow cutting taxes and balancing the budget?

Did you not hear the part about removing the Bush/McCain tax cuts (Ole McSame was against them before the GOP sucked his brains out and now he is for them) for the wealthiest that amounts to $300 Billion dollars. Did you not hear the part about the straw man McCain keeps beating about “earmarks” and the mere $18 Billion that it represents? Did you not know about the need for this country to compete globally with better educated students? And somehow you’re oblivious to what the cost of healthcare is doing to the poeple in this country and to emplyers, who’re having a more and more difficult time putting money into what’s essentially a crippling ballooning MASSIVE tax hike that destroys people’s earnings and reduces private enterprise and investment? (Out of touch a bit with regular folks a bit, no? I won’t use the word elitist. Republicans could never be elitist.)

Did you not hear the admission that the budget, with all that’s facing this country will need time before it’s balanced, or that the waste and growth of the government, the biggest in the history of the country, that is another part of the shining “conservative” legacy of GWB would be put to an end? How about the part where Obama talks about going through the budget, line by line and eliminating unnecessary waste and making it and all of government activities, transparent. Including the executive branch which under Obama won’t be above the law as GWB’s is and a McPalin administration (Palin and her people are already ignoring subpoena’s for her people. I wonder we’re she got that idea from?? I’ll tell you. It’s Rove F-U Non-accountablity 101: Never say anything on the record, because you’re guilty and duplicitous and slimy as hell. And besides you’re above it all.)

Did he not agree with most of Mccain’s positive points and attempt to integrate them into his own plans?

No, these have been policy points since the beginning and McCain has no ownership over them. Not to mention McCain’s grasp of the issues is like Iraq and Iran and the economy is elemental, outdated, short sighted and has failed and a massive liability that he’s running away from as hard as possible, but maybe he should’ve been a real maverick and not been rubber stamping GWB’S failed presidency 90% of the time.

Did you miss the part where Obama showed he’s not a complete partisan and is able to give credit where credit is due across the aisle? As, McCain for all his phony smarmy talk about wanting to get beyond partisan politics can’t even give the person across the aisle the basic good manners of looking at him when he speaks? Or his erratic, prima donna selfishness in injecting Presidential politics into the most delicate and and fragile and crucial legislation the COngress has seen all year? How about the fact that he said he couldn’t do his work with that and …and have a debate. WTF?? And did you notice the back pedaling the McCain campaign had to do when it was roundly and justly ridiculed for what amounted to a stunt designed to change the narrative from the fact that he’s getting killed in the polls (don’t check them, really you won’t like what you see).

Did he give an economic explanation on how all the goodies would be paid for? It won’t be by cutting military spending, since he bragged about all the ass kicking he is going to do.

You miss the part about avoiding disasterous and flawed and criminal military adventures of the type Bush and McCain are partial too? And getting U.S. troops out of Iraq to focus on where AQ really is, the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Or how about the part where we ask that Iraq use some of it’s oil money ($79 Billion) and begin to pay for itself?

McCain has so morphed from an interesting politician to a foul, mendacious, conniving and slimy GOP/Karl Rove-esqe tool it’s just sad.

The issues facing this country are complex and intense. We need someone who’s not afraid to work weekends or multi-task and is smart enough and capable enough to understand what’s happening and provide steady and solid leadership. That’s what Obama has shown repeatedly. Even while entitled and spoiled people like McCain have churned and burned and tried every political stunt in the book, he’s steady and on target. McCain is erratic and a new, more embarassing strategy and political stunt every week. Sometimes every day.

Which do you think is the better leadership style. Surly, arrogant, entitled and erratic. Tied to failed policies and strategies? Or engaged, smart, energetic and focused and tied to the promise of a better future and a “more perfect union?”

Anyhow, hope you had a nice chuckle. Sounds like you need a new hearing aid.

I’m outta here…

Peter (e70d1c) — 10/1/2008 @ 8:05 am

Yes, lets cut the tax breaks that we give to the wealthy! Power to the people! Who pays the majority of taxes in this country? Not only that, but they create jobs and fuel the economy. Taxing them out of business is not going to help anyone. Lets punish success and hard work and reward sloth and stupidity. If people have jobs and employers are not taxed to holy hell maybe people or insurers can afford health benefits. Health care is not the responsibility of the federal government. Yeah, I’m out of touch with people…..I am a 37 year old father of three with a stay at home wife. I work as a police lieutenant, a true elitist.
Obama is going to eliminate items from a budget? His entire career has been a request for government money.
People who want education, get educated. There are plenty of resources for post secondary educational funding. The problem is that Americans don’t value education as a culture. Also, please remember that GWB is not running for office.
Believe it or not, I’m a conservative who is not a GWB fan. That being said the current meltdown is largely part of the democratic mandate that owning a home is a God given right and the denial of a loan to anyone is racist fascism. Now people like myself who struggle and take on extra work in order to meet our obligations are to be punished and bail out the entitled.The difference between us, I take pride in my credit worthiness as reflected in my FICO score and was raised to meet my obligations. Haven’t you libs learned that when people are given handouts they inevitably don’t respect what they haven’t earned? BHO was knee deep in this mess via ACORN and gladly taking Fannie/Freddie money.
Non-partisan you say?BHO votes (when he actually votes other than present) with his party 97% of the time.BHO deserves no “credit across the aisle” has not accomplished ANYTHING. He has ignored his duty by focusing on his selfish ambition to be president. How many days has he actually been present in the senate? 140ish?
Obama is an untried, unpatriotic radical who will bend the truth and use any slime ball tactic to get in office. If McCain had 1/15th of Obama’s skeletons in his closet he would have been crucified on Nancy Pelosi’s front lawn. The fact that MSM is now questioning his torturers in Hanoi Hilton shows how pathetic and low liberals can go. Why is no one from CNN and MSNBC hunting down Bill Ayers or Rev. Wright? Even with all this help and all the Bush baggage, Obama is having a tough road. Says a lot about America’s trust in the Messiah.

Bfidler (e6db0a) — 10/1/2008 @ 6:22 pm

A conservative subscriber to my blog, The Commercial Mortgage and Political Hotline
at http://commercialmortgagehotline.blogspot.com sent me this. Very interesting.

This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking “where did the money come from for Obama”. I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

I started looking into Obama’s life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California . He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. “Barry” (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan . During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a “round the world” trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate’s family, then off to Africa to visit his father’s family. My question – Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York . It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack – not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It’s not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago ? Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .

By “chance” he met Antoin “Tony” Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named “Entrepreneur of the Decade” by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association”. About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School ? Where did he get the money for Law School ? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented “Rezar” which Rezko’s firm. Rezko was one of Obama’s first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago . In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with “seed money” for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans – Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko’s wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama’s new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama’s boss. She is now Obama’s chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was “sacked” after the press found out he was having regular contacts with “Hamas”, which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran . This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama’s visit to Iraq , he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will “Take care of things”.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those “small” Internet campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East ?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on “This Week” with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, “My Muslim faith”. When questioned, “he make a mistake”. Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it – Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times – Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times – September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question – If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven’t all of our “intelligent” members of the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear – “Beware of the enemy from within”!!!

Michael Haltman (d671ab) — 10/1/2008 @ 6:32 pm

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