JCG on Palin
McCain, inexplicably in this campaign, has never stirringly delivered a Reagan-esque defense of America as a shining city upon the hill, with lights blazing as brightly as ever. That may be because McCain, after all those years in Washington, doesn’t get it. He wasnt raised a common man, but an officer’s son, and hes been a US Senator for 20 years now.
But he’s got a running mate, we saw last night, who can say hell yeah and yee haw with the best of them. (Id love to ask McCain if hed ever heard Redneck Woman, made wildly popular by the singer, Gretchen Wilson, who was on the stage after Palin last night.) He’s got a running mate who proudly clings to her guns and her religion—and can disparage Barack Obama for talking about us one way in Scranton and another in way San Francisco.
Read it all.
In some ways, Palin reminds me of Greenburg: a bright, capable “country girl” who has no doubt been underestimated many times in her career. I’m glad Greenburg is starting to see why, well before McCain made his decision, some of us were telling friends and colleagues that Sarah Palin was John McCain’s best hope to get elected.
Apologies for any attempt at thread – jacking here, but Hillary’s campaign advisors and consultants are finally weighing in on the MSM’s guttural behavior regarding Palin:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html
Am I crazy, or was this the McCain team’s plans all along? Did they deliberately bait the MSM into showing the country their true colors, at long last?
Dmac (874677) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:35 amThey, the MSM/Inside the Beltway elites (I know, it’s redundant), will be disparaging Gov. Palin and wondering how she does it, even in the aftermath of her Presidential Inauguration speech.
Another Drew (22a60f) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:36 amDmac – Your comment is flawed in that it assumes that the MSM has not shown their true colors previously.
JD (75f5c3) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:39 amI think there is a strategy to run against the media and it is working beautifully although it has been tough on the Palin family. Did you notice the DNC talking points in the Greenberg article comments ? Even some lefty writers like Tom Shales of the WaPo thought it was a triumph.
If the Republicans win the presidential election in November, it may well be said that they won it last night — the night that John McCain’s brilliantly screwy choice for a running mate changed from laughingstock to national star.
We will see a furious counterattack but it will be “rope-a-dope” all over again. All she has to do is beat Biden in the debate and he is a walking “kick me” sign.
Mike K (2cf494) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:44 amAll she has to do is beat Biden in the debate and he is a walking “kick me” sign.
Comment by Mike K — 9/4/2008 @ 8:44 am
He doesn’t have a chance. And you know what? I think he knows it.
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:49 am[…] across this great piece by Jan Crawford Greenburg over at Patterico…..Check ‘em both out, y’all. The picture of Palin was painted last night: She’s […]
Amused Cynic » Blog Archive » “Hell, YEAH!”… (691ade) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:50 amMike, you have it half – right; the Dems and the MSM’s collective meltdown over Palin has made this contest into a VP candidate versus a Presidential one. Obama’s going to be trying to counterattack Palin for the rest of the campaign, while Biden will be mostly neutered, due to his slams on Obama during the primary (and his many previous statements praising McCain). Check.Mate.
Dmac (874677) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:50 amRunning against the media…
Though I was out of the country at the time of the GOP ’64 Convention, I have seen the kinescopes of the point where Barry turned toward the media suites and directed his ire at them, and brought the house down.
When “the Barracuda” did likewise re NBC last night, I had one of those flashback moments…
It was great!
The GOP has been comfortable running against the media ever since, and it is becoming more and more effective as the old “craft” journalists have slowly retired and been replaced by the young “professionals”.
Who was it who penned “Nattering Nabobs of Negativism”?
Another Drew (22a60f) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:52 amAh, Yes: William Safire, who – improbably – ended up writing at the NYT.
I watched Joe Biden on the morning talk show before leaving for work. He was not on his A-game, to be sure. He did the standard “but she didn’t talk about” and then ran off a laundry list of Dem pet projects.
JD (75f5c3) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:52 am8- I recall agnew using that phrase long ago referring to media.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 9/4/2008 @ 10:55 amIf anything, she is going to overshadow McCain. If I were him, I would let her be the face of the campaign and concentrate on flattening Obama in the debates. His reputation is made with independents and Republicans were not that enthusiastic about him anyway. This will rebut the “third Bush term” theme as she is the new face of the Republican Party. If I were McCain I would be pleading for them not to throw me in that briar patch. He just has to win the debates.
One very funny suggestion is to have her walk out for the third debate and say that McCain is not feeling well so, since there were questions about her ability to take over, here she is. She doesn’t even have to say anything about how he is feeling. Just walk out.
Mike K (f89cb3) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:03 amRunninng against the media? Then the Republicans shouldn’t get any coverage.
At all.
Total blackout.
That’ll learn ’em!
David Ehrenstein (961ad1) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:15 amAs an independent voter, some sort of pogressive ibertarian if you have to have a label, I find the similarities between Obamamania and its new counterpart, Palinamania, striking.
I’ve said before that IMO neither of these people have the experience required for being the Most Powerful Person on the Planet.
Patterico took me to task on that earlier post, noting that Palin was the lesser of the risks of unqualified candidates, since she was only running for VP. I’ll agree with that, but that doesn’t mean that the lesser of two risks is acceptable.
Someone asked on that earlier post, “What’s the risk that Palin would become President during McCain’s term, one percent?”
Actually it’s much higher than that. Historically it’s about 20%. Of the 43 Presidents we’ve had, eight have died in office, four by assassination. Every President since FDR has had at least one assassination attempt, except for LBJ. Kennedy’s succeeded. Reagan was badly wounded and lucky not to have been killed.
McCain is 72. Consider that generally one out of three men aged 72 die before they reach 80.
McCain’s in excellent health reportedly and has been cancer-free for more than five years, but like all cancer survivors, he faces a risk of recurrence that others don’t have.
The risk of debilitating stroke, heart attack or dementia is significantly higher and always increasing for someone over 70. How often are you surprised to hear that someone in their early 70’s has had a stroke or heart attack, or is starting to “lose it.”
That’s why I don’t like the Palin pick. She’s unqualified and the risk that she may succeed to the Presidency because of McCain’s death or disability is too high; it’s an unreasonable risk IMO. Way less risky than electing Obama, sure, but still a risk that I am not comfortable with and wish McCain had not presented me with.
I like McCain, always have, although I liked the Straight Talk Express John McCain more than the present version. I hope, however, that the real John McCain will stand up after the election and expect I’ll vote for him despite Palin. I just don’t like it much.
Peccator Dubius (0a6237) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:33 amThat would be truly hilarious – but McCain will make The Messiah look foolish enough during their one (as opposed to the many Abama agreed to)townhall debate. The One ain’t too good without his telly, you know.
Dmac (874677) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:33 amMc Cain and Palin are not ready for the 3am, 4am, 5am, 6am, 7am, 8am, tomarrow, next week, next month nor next year call! The McCain / Palin ticket puts Americans at risk of being attacked for no reason other than their lack of policies to respond to real problems!
EDITH (56a0a8) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:34 amThe thoughts in Edith’s head are outdated, poorly assembled, and in poor taste.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:47 amThe Obamabots will be out in force today. EDITH is #1. The other comment is fair. We don’t have an ideal system for choosing presidents in this country but we have done pretty well over the years. For example, Howard Dean, who was a serious D candidate, had less experience than Palin. He was not even elected governor of Vermont. He succeeded the governor who died in office. I think there is some sexism in this argument.
McCain is 72. Consider that generally one out of three men aged 72 die before they reach 80.
I don’t believe you know your data. Actuarial life expectancy is not understood by most people who mistake newborn life expectancy with actuary life expectancy. McCain’s chances of surviving his term are better than 80%. I would put it at 95% because of his good physical condition. Not many 72-year-olds can out hike a 17-year-old in the Grand Canyon.
This is a fair argument but one usually misstated.
Mike K (f89cb3) — 9/4/2008 @ 11:55 amAsk McCain’s mother what she thinks about his life expectancy.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/4/2008 @ 12:02 pmmax @ #10…
Another Drew (67986d) — 9/4/2008 @ 12:07 pmIt was Safire who penned those words for Agnew while he was the head of the WH speechwriting crew – Pat Buchanan was one of many who worked for him.
“…but like all cancer survivors, he faces a risk of recurrence that others don’t have.”
For the last time here, I must correct you on your misconceptions on this issue. Cancer comes in many forms and guises, and the treatments and recovery statistics vary widely. McCain’s skin cancer was not critical when it was initally diagnosed and treated. His risks for another recurrence of that type of cancer is only slightly higher than the rest of the general population.
Dmac (874677) — 9/4/2008 @ 12:20 pmEDITH – That was so eloquent. Thank you. Your fresh perspective has changed my mind. I will now be voting for Barack Obama.
I would like to play poker, or any game of chance with Peccator Dubius.
JD (75f5c3) — 9/4/2008 @ 12:28 pmPeccator Dubius:
OK, but that’s the wrong question to ask. While Palin may currently lack “the experience required for being the Most Powerful Person on the Planet,” it’s a stretch to suggest that she’ll still lack it after serving as McCain’s VP for several years. So the real question to ask is how likely McCain is not only to die in office, but how likely he is to die so early in the first term as to leave us with an executive who is only barely more qualified to serve than Obama is now. And I think the answer to that lies somewhere between slim and none.
Xrlq (b71926) — 9/4/2008 @ 12:38 pmXlrq – It is kind and noble of you to engage on that topic, despite the fact that it is one of the more disengenuous craptacular arguements I have seen around here. In effect, assuming for arguements sake that his premises are sound, PD is arguing that it is better to elect someone to the Presidency that is demonstrably inexperienced, than to take a chance that another inexperienced person may someday be called upon to become President.
JD (75f5c3) — 9/4/2008 @ 12:53 pmJust heard that Palin was seen by 37.2M people last night – only slightly less that The One’s 38M.
We’re going to win! (repeat as neccessary)
Another Drew (67986d) — 9/4/2008 @ 1:01 pmOn the early death bit; John McCain has already outlived his grandfather, who dropped dead at age 61 and his father, who, I believe was 70 when he died. But his mother is 96 so go figure.
But it is a truly doofus argument to say that the possibility that a 44 year old Vice Presidential candidate who is “inexperienced” might have to step in to replace John McCain—so we should vote for an even less experienced person –and yes, Obama is less experienced than Palin–and put him in office immediately!
Get your thinking caps on people.
Mike Myers (31af82) — 9/4/2008 @ 1:52 pm“…despite the fact that it is one of the more disengenuous craptacular arguements I have seen around here.”
The irony here is that this argument conveniently ignores the Obama’s camp’s sly innuendoes that he would be a likely target for assassination, due to his…well, you know (wink, wink). So their present fretting about McCain’s age is just hypocricy as usual.
Dmac (874677) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:07 pmHey Palinists, how does it feel to finally have a candidate to fawn over and worship? How does it feel to feel that “something” you can’t understand, going up your legs when you see your idol on the stage? How does it feel to have to defend her even when in your hearts you know she is a big gamble? Welcome to the world of unreasonable and unintelligent adoration. Fired by hope, based on nothing but just…more hope. I feel a kin spirit to y’all right now. Isn’t it wonderful? 🙂
love2008 (1b037c) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:14 pmOne very funny suggestion is to have her walk out for the third debate and say that McCain is not feeling well so, since there were questions about her ability to take over, here she is. She doesn’t even have to say anything about how he is feeling. Just walk out.
Comment by Mike K — 9/4/2008 @ 11:03 am
*gasps* That would be sheer awesomeness. Just leave off the part about him not feeling well – why encourage the “one heartbeat away” gossip and more importantly, why lie? The good Junior Senator would be destroyed – only a telegenic pile of goo left when it’s all over. We already know “Senator ‘Present'” can’t talk without a teleprompter.
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:24 pmWelcome to the world of unreasonable and unintelligent adoration. Fired by hope, based on nothing but just…more hope. I feel a kin spirit to y’all right now. Isn’t it wonderful?
Comment by love2008 — 9/4/2008 @ 2:14 pm
Well, all due respect, love2008, I don’t see it that way at all, though am somewhat surprised to see you saying now that you have been engaging in “unreasonable and unintelligent adoration.” Just because many liberals didn’t know who she was before didn’t mean we weren’t familiar already with her.
She is a known quantity. She hasn’t spent her time in office voting “present” nearly 130 times or say questions regarding issues on which she will have to make decisions as VP (or Pres eventually) are “above her pay grade.” She has strong positions and lives them. For example, she talks about ending wasteful spending and then denies HERSELF benefits (the jet, the cook, the driver), not just others. She doesn’t claim she’s going to recede the oceans and heal the planet. She doesn’t talk about “a light coming down” (Obama has, you know) that will make you say, “I have to vote for Barack.” (that’s a actual quote).
No, my support of Sarah Palin (and McCain, BTW, is very reasonable. I ask respectfully, why are you supporting a candidate, though, that you admit your support of is unreasonable?
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:31 pmI didn’t say explicitly, just in case I need to, how much more experienced Sarah Palin is compared to Barack Obama.
And, by the way, my dear love2008, why are you comparing your #1 to our #2? 🙂
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:33 pmNice to see that love finally admits that support for Obama is based on unreasonable and unintelligent adoration.
Jack Klompus (cf3660) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:33 pm#29 – Jack – love2008’s next step is to make amends to people she’s hurt.
The final step? Voting McCain/Palin.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:43 pmI love the fact that the Dems have begun to compare their #1 to the #2 on the other side of the aisle.
Fineman and Mathews heads are assploding.
JD (5f0e11) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:46 pm“Nice to see that love finally admits that support for Obama is based on unreasonable and unintelligent adoration”
– Jack Klompus
Feh. It’s based on nothing more or less than an adamant refusal to see the other guy in the White House… the exact same reason you support your guy, if you were willing to grow a pair and admit it.
Leviticus (41975c) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:46 pmFeh. It’s based on nothing more or less than an adamant refusal to see the other guy in the White House… the exact same reason you support your guy, if you were willing to grow a pair and admit it.
Comment by Leviticus — 9/4/2008 @ 2:46 pm
I would respectfully disagree with that. I WANT John McCain and Sarah Palin in the White House because I think they’d do the best job according to my views on issues. One would think you’d think the same about Obama. But now you seem to be admitting you’re voting against McCain, not for Obama. Now that I think about it, given how little Obama has accomplished in his positions as state and national senator (it really is true, you know) perhaps that IS the more “reasonable” view.
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:50 pm30. Haha you think she’s getting closer to that?
Jack Klompus (cf3660) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:51 pm32. Got a bigger pair than you ever dream of having, and have never denied what you say.
Palin vs Obama is substance over style, making decisions vs. voting present, going against the corrupt incumbents of your own party vs. bending over backwards to do the daley machine’s bidding, voting (and living) for life vs. not wanting your daughters to be burdened with an unwanted child, lots of executive experience vs. no executive experience, just being yourself to all people vs. talking differently when in Scranton as opposed to the chardonnay/latter/arugula SF elite.
Btw, I had to chuckle when I saw protestors outside the courthouse hassling a murderous union boss who got off on murder charges due to a legal technicality in SF in Eastwood flick Executive Action.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:53 pmMeaning I’d rather vote for a trained hamster than Obama. Actually admiring McCain and now even moreso with a running mate that I’d be glad to see at the TOP of the ticket doesn’t hurt.
Jack Klompus (cf3660) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:53 pmMike K: [Consider that generally one out of three men aged 72 die before they reach 80.] “I don’t believe you know your data.”
My data is from the latest NCHS Life Tables [2004]. Those tables show that of 100,000 white males born alive, 72,531 survive at age 70, 47,622 at age 80. That’s means 24,909 die during the decade – that 34% (one in three). Is there something I’m not understanding? NHCS Life Tables
JD: “PD is arguing that it is better to elect someone to the Presidency that is demonstrably inexperienced, than to take a chance that another inexperienced person may someday be called upon to become President.”
Please go read the entire post. I’m not arguing that at all, just complaining about Palin as a VP choice.
Xrlq: “While Palin may currently lack “the experience required for being the Most Powerful Person on the Planet,” it’s a stretch to suggest that she’ll still lack it after serving as McCain’s VP for several years.”
Well, I would certainly hope so, but it’s going to depend on how McCain uses her. Many VP’s have sat around doing nothing. McCain himself joked in 2000, “The vice president has two duties. One is to inquire daily as to the health of the president, and the other is to attend the funerals of Third World dictators.” Neither LBJ nor Spiro Agnew got much to do as VP’s. On the other hand, Cheney has been very involved in everything, and Clinton involved Gore a lot. We have to assume that McCain will give Palin things to do that would build her experience, but he could also choose to leave her sitting in an office shooting wadded paper balls into the wastebasket.
Peccator Dubius (0a6237) — 9/4/2008 @ 2:59 pmNo one you know: “how much more experienced Sarah Palin is compared to Barack Obama.”
Just about anyone is more experienced than Obama, but that is NOT the same as saying Palin has the experience necessary for VP.
So, she’s been governor of a close to the smallest state in the Union by population [670,000 people] for a year and a half. Big Wup!. That’s the size of the City of Baltimore, or Austin, or Memphis. My county in CA has five times that population, so any of my county supervisors arguably have more experience than she does. And she was mayor of a small town in Alaska for a while. Again, Big Wup! As she said herself, “It’s not rocket science. It’s $6 million and 53 employees.” A lot of small business owners or mid level managers have that experience.
I am underwhelmed. I’ll live with it, but I don’t have to like it.
Peccator Dubius (0a6237) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:05 pmPeccator – It is a spectacular craptacular argument, no matter how many times you make it. But keep on comparing your #1 to our #2. Guaranteed lack of experience and lack of record as opposed to executive experience and a proven record.
JD (5f0e11) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:11 pmJD: You misstate my position. I’ll repeat what I said in the first post:
“[Palin] is [w]ay less risky than electing Obama, sure, but still a risk that I am not comfortable with and wish McCain had not presented me with.
I like McCain, … and expect I’ll vote for him despite Palin. I just don’t like it much.”
Peccator Dubius (0a6237) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:17 pmPeccator Dubius #38 –
county in CA has five times that population, so any of my county supervisors arguably have more experience than she does.
I don’t know which county, but I can tell you that LA County supervisors could not be trusted to watch over a pet store during a lunch break.
Proof that it’s what you do while in office that matters, not how many constituents you ignore.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:20 pmApogee: Orange County, but I’ll agree with you on LA.
Peccator Dubius (0a6237) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:23 pmJCG is missing the point. It’s not about Palin’s ability to say “hell yeah” with the best of them.
If you look at McCain’s scapegrace youth, you can discern real leadership gifts–he was the instigator in a lot of less than wise stunts. Basically a “follow me” leadership, which is basically at its best on a relatively small scale.
In prison it was small group leadership, and mutual support. That would translate well into the US Senate where personal persuasion and group efforts are the way things work. People like him one on one and in small groups, which is in fact how he forged his early rapport with the press.
Sarah Palin is a something else entirely: As we’ve just seen, she is a very gifted politician with sound tactical instincts and real charisma. She is likable in front of a large group, and also by reports of those who have met her, in person as well.
McCain is an old pro and has been winning Congressional elections for a long time. I suspect he’s learned from his Presidential bids, too. I think he realized he’d never win with, say, Lieberman even if the Republican base would go for it. Two old guys against Obama would lose for sure. A vigorous younger man would point up his age; again not good against Obama. But a younger woman, now, who appeals to various parts of the base… This is going to be a very interesting nine weeks.
PeterB (defe6f) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:29 pmPeccator – For your argument to have any merit, you would have to show that the experience that she has is a greater risk than the lack of experience that Baracky has, and then apply the outside chance that McCain would be unable to finish out his term.
JD (5f0e11) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:31 pmJD: OK, I surrender, I’m not communicating well, I guess. Have a great day.
Peccator Dubius (0a6237) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:37 pmPeccator – I can be snarky, my nature. But I am interested in understanding your point. Apparently, I do not.
JD (5f0e11) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:42 pmPD…
I wouldn’t claim too much expertise for the OC Supes, not after how they’ve bungled the public-employee retirement issue. Plus, you do realize, that they only have control of the non-incorporated portions of the county, don’t you?
love2008 @ 25…
Another Drew (67986d) — 9/4/2008 @ 3:51 pmConservative, generally, don’t “fawn & worship” politicians, it is so hard to find room in the pews from all of the Libs genuflecting. So, we just don’t do that.
Anyway, we had the real deal in RR, anyone else has a hard standard to be measured against.
But, never in RR’s political career, did we ever see something like KO and Chrissy.
You guys make me laugh.
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/4/2008 @ 4:59 pmComment by love2008 — 9/4/2008 @ 4:59 pm
Am glad we entertain you; that’s good on a balmy September evening. 🙂
Care to answer our questions, though?
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 9/4/2008 @ 5:36 pmThere you go again, noyk.
Another Drew (67986d) — 9/4/2008 @ 5:37 pmGetting pushy.
Olberbarackylovespunkguzzler just went on a rant about the video tribute to the victims of 9/11. He apologized for anyone that had to see it and was as offended as he was.
JD (5f0e11) — 9/4/2008 @ 5:49 pmJD…How do you manage to maintain your sanity watching that cesspool?
Another Drew (67986d) — 9/4/2008 @ 5:53 pm#38 – Pee Dee
My county in CA has five times that population, so any of my county supervisors arguably have more experience than she does.
— Does it have a $10.5 BILLION budget? Oh no, only $6.6 Billion.
Icy Truth (8d362f) — 9/4/2008 @ 5:56 pm#48 – love2008
You guys make me laugh.
— But, I’m funny how? Funny like a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you?
Icy Truth (8d362f) — 9/4/2008 @ 6:00 pm#49
love2008 (1b037c) — 9/4/2008 @ 6:36 pmWhat questions? Oh wait. Why am I comparing Obama with Palin? No I am not. I am merely drawing a comparison between the Obama effect on the Democrats and the Palin effect on the Reps. The celebrity effect. Of course Palin is, well….hotter.
AD – You assume that I am sane?
JD (5f0e11) — 9/4/2008 @ 6:46 pmComment by Another Drew — 9/4/2008 @ 5:37 pm
Yeah, I’m a giver. 🙂
#48 – love2008
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/4/2008 @ 6:00 pm
Can’t help it; every time I run across that line now I see Grover delivering it **WARNING: LOTSA NSFW LANGUAGE**
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 9/4/2008 @ 7:15 pmlove2008,
I agree both Obama and Palin are celebrities now with their followers but their messages are very different. Obama says I want to lead you. Palin says I want to serve you.
DRJ (7568a2) — 9/4/2008 @ 7:24 pm#60
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/4/2008 @ 8:03 pmYes DRJ. They both want to serve us and lead us. The difference is Obama is the leader of his party while Palin was picked up to serve John McCain. A job she seems to be doing so well.
#61…
Another Drew (67986d) — 9/4/2008 @ 9:28 pmTalk about condescending sexism!!!
Wht don’t you just call her a whore?
love –
The difference is Obama is the leader of his party while Palin was picked up to serve John McCain.
— While Biden was picked to lead Obama by the hand, just like a father with his toddler son.
Icy Truth (8d362f) — 9/4/2008 @ 9:39 pmPD, I’m not up on the current crop of OC Supes. I lived in OC (Anaheim) back in the 90’s. I told Steiner that raising taxes to give more money to Citron’s scheme was a bad idea, and I didn’t say one word about Citron being a Democrat.
I worked to recall Doris Allen.
You remind me of one of the RINOs who supported Buck Johns sabotaging of the party.
PCD (5c49b0) — 9/5/2008 @ 5:23 amObama is the leader of his party
ROFLMAO. Do Mayor Daley, Emil Jones and Todd Stroeger know that? And what would Michelle say?
nk (21731d) — 9/5/2008 @ 7:19 am