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8/16/2008

Kobe Bryant: Proud to be an American

Filed under: Sports — DRJ @ 8:46 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Gateway Pundit has this great interview from the Beijing Olympics:

[NBC announcer Chris Cris] Collinsworth: Where does the patriotism come from inside of you? Historically, what is it?

Kobe [Bryant]: Well, you know it’s just our country, it’s… we believe is the greatest country in the world. It has given us so many great opportunities, and it’s just a sense of pride that you have; that you say “You know what? Our country is the best!”

Collinsworth: Is that a ‘cool’ thing to say, in this day and age? That you love your country, and that you’re fighting for the red, white and blue? It seems sort of like a day gone by(?)

Kobe: No, it’s a cool thing for me to say. I feel great about it, and I’m not ashamed to say it. I mean, this is a tremendous honor.”

I admit, I haven’t been a big Kobe fan in the past but I am now. Chris Cris Collinsworth? Not so much.

— DRJ

81 Responses to “Kobe Bryant: Proud to be an American”

  1. It’s mildly sad, but I was pleasantly surprised to see this about Mr. Bryant, as well.

    Bless him and keep him.

    Foxfier (15ac79)

  2. Kobe stepped up a knotch in my eyes, too….

    Collingsworth simply is acting like the MSM we all know and hate….

    reff (b68a4f)

  3. Almost makes it okay that he cheated on his wife. ( and maybe raped a girl.)

    Joe (c0e4f8)

  4. No it doesn’t, Joe.

    But it does show that he has the right idea on what an honor it is to represent a great country.

    You don’t disagree about that, do you?

    vnjagvet (d3d48a)

  5. Calling Kobe Bryant a true American is one of the best things I’ve read at Patterico.
    Bryant made ex jock Chris Collinsworth look like a big ass.
    I’m more patriotic than ever having read that.

    But calling Chris Collinsworth a liberal tool? Unfortunately the past 7 years of this Bush administration has fostered that sort of sentiment.
    “Tools” existed during Reagan’s time too. Care to guess why a stupid question like this wasn’t asked of a sports hero back then?

    Oiram (6ff3d9)

  6. Is it cool to be a patriot?

    Yes, Mr. Collinsworth, it is.

    Patriots win wars . . . and Super Bowls . . .

    Typical loser attitude from an ex-Bengal.

    Icy Truth (784175)

  7. Exactly Icy. Couldn’t of said it better myself.

    Oiram (6ff3d9)

  8. For anyone who cares (anyone?), his first name is spelled Cris.

    Icy Truth (784175)

  9. Icy,

    I originally spelled it Cris because that’s how I’ve always seen him spell his first name, but then I “corrected” it to match the spelling at Gateway Pundit. I forgot the blogging rules —

    Rule #1: Always trust your first instinct.
    Rule #2: Always check to make sure your first instinct was right.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  10. Sorry, DRJ. I admit it; I’m anal when it comes to these things. I’m getting better though. I didn’t even mention it the other day when someone spelled “Brittney”, as in Spears, with two t’s.

    Except of course that I’m mentioning it now.

    Damn. . . .

    Icy Truth (784175)

  11. What’s strange is that I think Collinsworth started out in broadcasting, after his playing days, as a genuinely good guy. Maybe he thinks he’s supposed to be a jerk because of examples like Olbermann.

    Kobe, by contrast, with a few patently sincere sentences spoken from his heart has utterly charmed millions of Americans who were generally disillusioned with professional athletes as a class, and NBA players in particular.

    Life’s still full of surprises.

    Beldar (db06d4)

  12. I wouldn’t fault Mr Collingsworth on this. Heck, he gave Mr Bryant an absolutely perfect set-up!

    More, it was an appropriate question, the perfect follow-up to the lead question.

    Dana R Pico (556f76)

  13. So you’re the fan of a rapist. How postmodern.

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  14. Collingsworth is just following the lead of Bobby “how’s my hairpiece” Costas, who’s made several snarky comments about Bush, while conveniently neglecting to mention anything about Tibet or Sudan that would unfortunately anger their hosts.

    Both are massive tools, but not exactly in the way you intend.

    Dmac (874677)

  15. It is a pleasant change from what we expect of NBA stars.
    Even today, Bill Russell seems to carry around a huge chip on his shoulder.

    Another Drew (688ffe)

  16. Hey to paraphrase the Obamessiah; For Collinsworty being patriotic is “above his pay grade”. And you’re right, that’s a bad rug on Costas.

    Mike Myers (31af82)

  17. @Beldar, with a few patently sincere sentences is right. The aspect of this that I was most impressed with is that last quoted answer (see above) was delivered with a forcefulness that telegraphed through the video, underscoring as you point out the sincerity of the interview.

    It also helps that Bryant is well spoken, which is a departure from the average NBA player, and that resonates with the broader American public.

    jeffn (e45581)

  18. First requirement to join the MSM: burn your American Flag. Second: get a lobotomy. Third: stick your head up your butt and view the U.S. through your belly button, eyes will be a little cloudy.

    Scrapiron (d671ab)

  19. The atrociousness of this is that here these people are, representing their country, and Collinsworth has the temerity to ask one of them if he is really proud (to invoke Michelle-O) of the country he is representing? I don’t care if a producer was screaming threats against the lives of his kids into his earpiece unless he asked the question; Collinsworth proved himself worthless by doing that.

    Icy Truth (612a80)

  20. Down, you salivating dogs! Down, I say! I watched the video and Collinsworth was just teeing it up for Kobe, no more, no less.

    ras (fc54bb)

  21. Ras – you are absolutely correct. Collinsworth was just teeing it up for Kobe. Chris is far form left wing – for example has made it crystal clear that thinks Olbermann is a tool.

    bendover (8196d5)

  22. David E,

    Actually, my thoughts on Kobe’s personal life are mixed but my earlier concerns were related to how he plays basketball. I don’t think he’s been a reliable team player during his career and I’m impressed that he thinks it’s important to be an American at the Olympics. America is the ultimate team.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  23. I wasn’t born into a sport, DRJ. I was born into a country. A country that has consistently disappointed me for its craven blood-lust, immorality and greed.

    As an African-American I’m well aware of the fact that sports, particularly basketball, is the only profession towards which whites would show such as I any regard whatsoever. I find this situation vomit-provoking.

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  24. So why then don’t those who abhor this country so badly, pack their bags bags and move the feck out to where it is so much better. I get so sick of all the foreign asshats and hollywood elites putting down this country. Always hearing about the great socialized meds in Canada and Ireland and yet the bozos come here for quality and timely care.
    If we had actual quotas and affirmative action for everyone to ensure equal representation, some blacks might not even make it to the NBA. How about if only 2 black players for each team to represent what percentage blacks are overall in the country.

    Regarding black pride, I don’t hear too many black leaders or african americans too put out with the butchery going on in Sudan or all the genocide that was rampany in Ruanda- Burundi.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  25. I’m sorry you feel that way, David. I cheer for the hardest working players and people in sports and in life. Those are often the best players and people, but not always. I don’t cheer for a color.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  26. I’m not from Sudan. I’m from here.

    Your “love it or leave” it knee jerk is beyond tired.

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  27. I don’t cheer for a color.

    .

    You don’t have to. You’re in the driver’s seat.

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  28. That really is sad, David. You and Michelle, you should call Dr. Phil.. He could help. He does that.

    JD (5f0e11)

  29. What’s with this “sad” business? What do you have to feel “sad” about regarding my posts? And what do they have to do with Michelle Obama? I’ve never met the woman.

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  30. Oh, so Dr. Phil can help, but not Oprah? Why’s that, JD?

    Leviticus (fa242b)

  31. Oh, so Dr. Phil can help, but not Oprah? Why’s that, JD?

    Comment by Leviticus — 8/17/2008 @ 5:13 pm

    Isn’t Oprah the one who says, pretty much, “Oh, you poor thing” while Dr. Phil’s the one who says, “How’s that working for you?” IMO one’s more useful than another for overcoming an attitude, an obstacle or a problem.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  32. David Ehrenstein wrote:

    I wasn’t born into a sport, DRJ. I was born into a country. A country that has consistently disappointed me for its craven blood-lust, immorality and greed.

    It’s interesting that you say you are “disappointed,” Dave — one must wonder, what exactly were you expecting?

    There is a point in every American’s life when s/he has to confront facts contradicting lies that were told to them at a young age, and decide how they’re going to handle the truth. No, Columbus didn’t really “discover” America as if there wasn’t any civilization here before 1492, little George Washington didn’t really cut down a cherry tree and then say “I cannot tell a lie,” and despite the famous declaration that “All men are created equal…with unalienable rights,” that didn’t preclude many of the so-called Founding Fathers from owning enslaved Africans and their children. Once the cold rush of reality has washed away the red-hot knee-jerk love of ones own country, the question that naturally arises is, “Should I be proud or ashamed?”

    Under consideration should be these facts: No nation is or was perfect. No system is or was perfect. No leader is or was perfect — as I wrote last week, “It is my belief that every politician must enter into a de facto Faustian pact because of the very nature of politics.” All persons who wield executive, military, or royal power must be ready and willing to — in certain situations — sacrifice innocents of their own or other nations in the pursuit of real estate, resources, and/or manpower. Only after the expectation of altruistic government has been rightfully tossed on the scrap heap can one judge any nation’s history equitably.

    If you want to match the ideals of America versus the reality, fine, you have a right to be bitter. If you want to be realistic and grade on a curve, I don’t know what nation exists that come closer to the lofty standards that America has set for itself while being the boon to the world at large that America has been.

    Perhaps you can enlighten me as to which nation you would actually be proud to call yourself a citizen of, and why.

    As an African-American I’m well aware of the fact that sports, particularly basketball, is the only profession towards which whites would show such as I any regard whatsoever. I find this situation vomit-provoking.

    I’m not sure what you mean by this, Dave. Correct me if I am wrong — despite your propensity for spelling and grammatical errors, you make your living as a writer, correct?

    Is or is not the person who signs your paycheck white?

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  33. For the umpteenth time, everyone – PLEASE DON’T FEED THE TROLL. That is all.

    Dmac (874677)

  34. Can we trade D.E. for future draft pick, or a citizen to be named later?

    Another Drew (688ffe)

  35. As an African-American I’m well aware of the fact that sports, particularly basketball, is the only profession towards which whites would show such as I any regard whatsoever. I find this situation vomit-provoking.

    I find both the racism and the egregiously unwarranted self-pity of this statement vomit-provoking – not to mention its utter ridiculousness.

    Shorter statement: “IMO no white person respects at all any African-American unless he or she is a basketball player.” LOL

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  36. For the umpteenth time, everyone – PLEASE DON’T FEED THE TROLL. That is all.

    Comment by Dmac — 8/17/2008 @ 5:34 pm

    Dmac,

    Sorry, saw your post after I posted. Agree w/ you usually am very good at staying away from this person’s trollish remarks. But ridiculous racist accusations – well, tonight am not letting them pass. That statement by DE is racist, pure and simple. He knows it but someone else should say it IMO.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  37. But, But, …sputters uncontrollably…
    how can what DE says be racist, since he’s, you-know, Black?

    Another Drew (688ffe)

  38. Racists

    JD (5f0e11)

  39. Comment by Another Drew — 8/17/2008 @ 5:42 pm

    hahahahaha

    Hmmm, I seem to remember that laughter works well on this particular troll. Here’s his theme song. LOL

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  40. I am proud of this great country. It’s so perfect and does not require improvement or change. Things have never been so good. Damn all those America-haters. They should pack their bags and get the heck out of here! There is no room for criticism or correction because, hey, we are Americans. We can never be wrong. If you don’t like the way things are, get your ass over to Zimbabwe or Iraq and see the difference you ungrateful little jerk! This the greatest country in the whole wide world! God bless the USA! There.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  41. “And I am edumacated!”

    Dmac (874677)

  42. David #27,

    I have been privileged but I’ve seen my share of prejudice. I was the first female professional at my first legal job. The lawyers’ wives refused to let their husbands travel with me so I didn’t get to work on big projects that would have helped my career. Some of the lawyers wouldn’t work with me at all so my areas of practice were limited. And only one secretary out of a 30+ lawyer law firm was initially willing to take me on, simply because I was a woman.

    In the long run, I was more disadvantaged than white male lawyers but I also got to avoid working with some real snobs. Ultimately I was judged for my abilities and I think that’s true for most Americans.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  43. Comment by love2008 — 8/17/2008 @ 5:54 pm

    You’re still here?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  44. #43
    Did I hear a gaggling noise of a cackling geese? I could have sworn I heard a noise. Never mind. Must be the cat.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  45. “Oh, so Dr. Phil can help, but not Oprah? Why’s that, JD?

    Comment by Leviticus — 8/17/2008 @ 5:13 pm

    Isn’t Oprah the one who says, pretty much, “Oh, you poor thing” while Dr. Phil’s the one who says, “How’s that working for you?” IMO one’s more useful than another for overcoming an attitude, an obstacle or a problem.

    Comment by no one you know — 8/17/2008 @ 5:20 pm”

    I’m sorry: the correct response was “JD is a flaming racist”.

    I guess I didn’t make the joke obvious enough.

    Leviticus (ceb0e1)

  46. I’m sorry: the correct response was “JD is a flaming racist”.

    LOL

    I guess I didn’t make the joke obvious enough.

    Comment by Leviticus — 8/17/2008 @ 6:24 pm

    Not enough for my Sunday-night-fried brain I guess, anyway. Sorry about that. 🙂

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  47. Flaming racist?! Homophobes !

    JD (5f0e11)

  48. #46
    Happy Sunday to you, No One I know.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  49. #46
    Happy Sunday to you, No One I know.

    Comment by love2008 — 8/17/2008 @ 6:37 pm

    The same to you, love2008.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  50. I appreciate that NBC wants to be a grateful guest and all, but they have been pussyfooting around the ChiComs way too much, and at times they’ve been just plain whitewashing the past.

    I almost threw something at my TV when Mary Carillo couldn’t stop hyperventilating after her profile of the elderly Chinese artist who created the games’ logo and the cutesy-poo mascots, and how she glossed over his imprisonment during the Cultural Revolution. She sat besides Bob Costas and gushed about how the artist talked long after the scheduled time limit and even made a meal for her and the crew. “What a man!” Carillo said, displaying an amorous tone one would have thought impossible of her. Costas followed up by agreeing that everyone coming to China from NBC was just amazed at the richness of Chinese culture. Meanwhile, the impression given by the MSM at just about every turn is that if you look like you’re an American tourist, you get the evil eye because Bush is running the place.

    Liberals constantly confuse the reasons people in other nations don’t like America with the reasons why they don’t like it. I said this long before 9/11, but it was especially on display then, when Michael Moore wrote the morning after that he didn’t appreciate that Al Qaeda failed to target red-staters instead of the city of New York, which voted overwhelmingly against Bush in 2000. He thought bin Laden had a personal problem with Bush, and not America itself!

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  51. So you’re the fan of a rapist. How postmodern.

    Comment by David Ehrenstein — 8/17/2008 @ 6:05 am

    Ah, because a black man must be guilty if a white girl said so. Is that about right, David?

    As an African-American I’m well aware of the fact that sports, particularly basketball, is the only profession towards which whites would show such as I any regard whatsoever. I find this situation vomit-provoking.

    That’s probably because you’re not talented, David. Which also shuts you out of sports. Would you like some pity, or maybe a napkin?

    Pablo (99243e)

  52. DRJ wrote: I have been privileged but I’ve seen my share of prejudice. I was the first female professional at my first legal job. The lawyers’ wives refused to let their husbands travel with me so I didn’t get to work on big projects that would have helped my career.

    Hmmm…Think it’s possible that this was not so much the wives’ prejudice against you as much as it was against their husbands?

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  53. Ah, because a black man must be guilty if a white girl said so. Is that about right, David?

    You know, I considered going there, but thought better of it…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  54. #51
    I don’t think David speaks for anyone other than himself, Pablo. But the “napkin” would help.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  55. You know, I considered going there, but thought better of it…

    David is the wind beneath my wings. 🙂

    Pablo (99243e)

  56. LN,

    I was much cuter in those days …

    Seriously, though, people were just nervous about new things. I didn’t know any of this at the time but we all laugh about it now.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  57. DRJ,

    I suspect that you’re plenty cute now… 🙂

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  58. #57
    Me too. Damn it Scotty! You beat me to that! DRJ, is a beautiful person. I can tell from her excellent posts and comments on these threads. Beauty is in the eye of the “Reader”.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  59. Me too. Damn it Scotty! You beat me to that! DRJ, is a beautiful person. I can tell from her excellent posts and comments on these threads. Beauty is in the eye of the “Reader”.

    You read WAY too much depth into my words…

    I just suspect DRJ’s still one hot number…

    Why do you have to make everything I say seem so meaningful and innocent? 🙂

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  60. David is the wind beneath my wings.

    That ain’t wind Pablo, that’s methane passing.

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  61. #59
    “Hot number”? mmmmmgh. You evil man, you.. 😉

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  62. “There is a point in every American’s life when s/he has to confront facts contradicting lies that were told to them at a young age, and decide how they’re going to handle the truth.”

    For me that point arrived in 1967. I was 20.

    “you make your living as a writer, correct?

    Sorry for the erros. I am frequently rushed as I’m frequently doing several different things while posting here.

    “Is or is not the person who signs your paycheck white?”

    Translation: “You’re a whore. Just suck his cock, take the money and shut up.”

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  63. “Would you like some pity, or maybe a napkin?”

    Neither. Would you like a Vicotin?

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  64. I can’t help but wonder if David grasps the irony that he hates us white folks…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  65. David Ehrenstein wrote:

    For me that point arrived in 1967. I was 20.

    That’s forty-one years ago, Dave. A lot of stuff has changed in America (including — for the time being — your ability to marry your boyfriend in California). And as a fellow African-American, think about this; What other country with a majority of white people has nominated a black man as candidate of one of its two major parties? If there IS another one, the largest and most significant one is (surprise!) the USA.

    Translation: “You’re a whore. Just suck his cock, take the money and shut up.”

    Nice vulgarity in lieu of answering my question. But I understand. I’ve exposed your froth as unreasonable, and you’re trying to distract me. Nice try, but it didn’t work.

    Good night.

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  66. I agree. There is too much vulgarity going on around here.

    Now, what the fuck is a “Vicotin”?

    Icy Truth (9e6f2a)

  67. Nice vulgarity in lieu of answering my question. But I understand. I’ve exposed your froth as unreasonable, and you’re trying to distract me. Nice try, but it didn’t work.

    L.N., David might just be trying to explain how he makes his living, and his answer to your question is “yes”.

    Pablo (99243e)

  68. I just thought it was fascinating that L.N. Smithee (and me too, and I suspect most on this board) sees a paycheck as an indicator of respect for one’s abilities (that WAS the implication of L.N.’s question, after all) while someone on this board sees it as a form of subjugation.

    Wow.

    Gratuitous vulgarity aside, am sure glad that person’s employer doesn’t know how much he or she is despised for paying for someone’s talents.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  69. noyk, it bears keeping in mind that what David describes is more an act of, uh, friendship in his world than it probably is in yours. So, you know, context.

    Pablo (99243e)

  70. Very happy to see you acknowledge a level of privilege DRJ. However —

    “Ultimately I was judged for my abilities and I think that’s true for most Americans.”

    It would be nice to think that’s true in your case, and I sincerely hope it is. But to extend that notion to “most Americans” is sheer fantasy.

    David Ehrenstein (699cff)

  71. DavidE’s boyfriend must sign his paychecks, ewwwww.

    Chris Collinsworth was teeing it up for Kobe. His commiseration with Ms. Sacramone (“I lost [in?] two Super Bowls”) was a nice, gracious touch. You could see the young woman unclench just a little bit after that.

    Save the NBC flak for the NBC flacks like Andrea Mitchell…furious

    furious (b6aff2)

  72. no one you know wrote:

    I just thought it was fascinating that L.N. Smithee (and me too, and I suspect most on this board) sees a paycheck as an indicator of respect for one’s abilities (that WAS the implication of L.N.’s question, after all) while someone on this board sees it as a form of subjugation.

    Wow.

    Excellent point, noyk. And this is the problem with the mindset of Mr. Ehrenstein’s ilk: They never stop thinking in terms of “I’m a slave” even when they are receiving just compensation for their skill. It’s always there in the back of the mind, ready to called to the front at a moment’s notice.

    Remember how rags-to-riches billionaire Oprah (no last name necessary) made an ass of herself when she mistakenly figured her wealth and fame should open the doors of Hermes — the snooty Paris boutique — after closing time? She fell back on race (“It was my Crash moment”) and made an international incident out of it. All it took was one quasi-rude French store manager, and BAM! Ms. Moneybags was back in the Deep South, with bare feet and a leaky roof.

    I am slightly younger than the Obamas, and have accomplished no goals even remotely close to what either of them have. But I don’t blame anybody but myself for my failures or shortcomings. At times when the quick, easy answer might have been “racism!” I have analyzed each situation, and found that there are more reasonable explanations.

    I can’t imagine that thinking that forces I can’t identify or confront are keeping me down would make me a happier person. Congrats if that works for you, Dave; it doesn’t work for me.

    L.N. Smithee (a0b21b)

  73. His commiseration with Ms. Sacramone (“I lost [in?] two Super Bowls”) was a nice, gracious touch. You could see the young woman unclench just a little bit after that.

    I missed most of the end of that competition, and all of the interviews about it.

    If he said that, then good on him. She needed someone to remind her that even the best lose now and then.

    At times when the quick, easy answer might have been “racism!” I have analyzed each situation, and found that there are more reasonable explanations.

    You forget that he can also toss out that they hate him because he’s gay as an excuse. He’s got quite the list of reasons why me might not succeed that don’t even enter the same county as “my fault”…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  74. I missed most of the end of that competition, and all of the interviews about it.

    It was a joke. Sacramone was aced out of a bronze medal by a Chinese gymnast who landed a vault jump on her knees. Bela Karolyi, the former women’s gymnastics coach (“You cahn do eet!”) was refreshingly dead right in slamming it as a “rip off.” In all my years of watching the Olympics, only the 1972 Basketball final — in which the Soviet Union was allowed to replay the last three seconds twice — was so obviously fixed.

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  75. But to extend that notion to “most Americans” is sheer fantasy.

    No, it isn’t. The vast majority don’t give a damn what color you are, only whether you can deliver the goods. If you’re spending more time complaining about your skin color than you are doing your job, that creates your problem, in which case it’s your attitude and your failure to perform that holds you back, not you pigmentation.

    Nobody likes a whiner, no matter what color they are.

    Pablo (99243e)

  76. There are plenty of talented successful non-athlete blacks in America, David. You’re just not one of them. It must be because you’re a Joooooo too.

    Pablo (99243e)

  77. When in Rome, David.

    Pablo (99243e)

  78. *snickers*

    I thought it was because he was gay… What social stigma held him back the most?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  79. David I hope you have read #75 and you have let it sink in. I guarantee you the only color Americans care about is GREEN. If you can add to someone’s bottom line because of your skill and dedication, that is ALL THAT MATTERS. Stop listening to Jesse and Rev Al. Those two make their lively-hood off of keeping the black man down. Listen to Obama talk about responsibility. Listen to Bill Cosby talk about responsibility. It’s 2008, we may elect a black prez, Oprah is the richest woman in the country, Tiger is closing in on being the first billionaire athlete from his winnings, Will Smith is the top Hollywood $$ earner, Condi and Colin have been top leaders. GET OFF THE RACISM THING for God’s sake.

    johnny rocket (ab760a)

  80. What social stigma held him back the most?

    The chip on his shoulder.

    Pablo (99243e)


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