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6/18/2008

Has Judge Kozinski’s View of Blogs Changed?

Filed under: General,Kozinski — Patterico @ 12:02 am



In a recent blog post, I recalled when, a couple of years ago, Alex Kozinski had derided blogs as “grandiloquent” and “self-indulgent.”

Now, a significant audience has had the chance to see for themselves a number of the items described by the L.A. Times from Judge Kozinski’s website/server, because a blog published them. That way, readers could make up their own minds, and not be dependent on the descriptions offered by the paper — descriptions that, as it turned out, were in some cases substantially misleading.

And Kozinski’s wife was able to give her side of the story, and have it reach tens of thousands of readers within hours — making its way to the mainstream media the same day — because her statements were published on a blog.

And Kozinski was staunchly defended by a couple of well-respected professors who didn’t need to beg for space in newspapers to make their case — because they had blogs.

In light of all that, I asked the question:

I wonder: has [Kozinski’s] opinion of blogs changed?

I received an e-mail yesterday from Kozinski’s wife Marcy Tiffany which says in part:

The following is for publication, in response to your question:

I wonder: has his opinion of blogs changed?

The answer is “Yes.”

Nice to hear.

11 Responses to “Has Judge Kozinski’s View of Blogs Changed?”

  1. “grandiloquent” and “self-indulgent.”

    This description fits the judicial system quite nicely, I hope Judge Kozinski enjoys the insanity since this is all that the law in America represents anymore.

    The media killed truth, law professors killed justice and the American way? Well that’s about to Chnage under Mr. Hopiness.

    syn (1017f1)

  2. Congrats

    Ed (c471d0)

  3. I understand both Judge Kosinski’s earlier opinion of blogs and his new-found respect for them. Blogs represent the worst and best America has to offer. As such, you need to serve as your own filter. There are firestarters and brickbat throwers aplenty. We get a view into ugly minds frequently, (primarily through commenters.)

    But through blogs I have read some of the most fertile minds I would have never read otherwise: Patterico, Ed Morrisey, Jeff Goldstein, the Powerline guys. I have read Lashawn Barber and Fausta. Dozens of others.

    I have read the other side, too. Dkos and DU. The unfiltered ugly thoughts, while frequently disturbing, are a previously unavailable sight of the innerworkings of a mindset unavailable to me.

    If your only view of blogs is MSM reportage, it’s a freak show out there. If you wander around with eyes open, you find communities caring for one another. Caring for our nation, too.

    Welcome aboard, Judge K.

    Dale (591790)

  4. Blogs represent the worst and best America has to offer.

    It’s been what, over a decade since blogs began and yet not much has changed; the problem with the ‘army of davids’ is that it operates in an echo chamber becoming exactly the freak show ‘out there’.

    Come on, what’s the difference between blogging ‘for a billion mercury bulbs in America’ as opposed to AL gore’s ‘Inconvenient Truth’: after all the blogging most everyone in America still believes in Glowball Warming fraud. Everybody is Going Green.

    Oh yeah… how about the attack on the Congressional porkers, you know the ‘repugs’; how is that any different than MSN particularily since not a single corrupt porker Democrat politician has been touched. Heh, indeed.

    The Democrat Party is more popular than ever because see… the narrative that ‘all things Republican/Conservative are backward redneck bigoted greedy brownshirted nazi hicks under McChimphitlerhaliburtonoil’ that no army of davids could ever conquer.

    All in all, there was no revolution.

    syn (1017f1)

  5. All in all, there was no revolution.

    I’d like to add that I beleive this is one of the reaons why Jeff Goldstein doesn’t care to blog anymore, he has written a gazillion words which have meaning and sense and defines the problems yet it still hasn’t changed anything; I venture to guess that he has come to the same conclusion I have.

    syn (1017f1)

  6. The more I hear from these people the more I like them.

    brobin (c07c20)

  7. People forget that newspapers began as privately printed broadsheets put out by individuals who had opinions they wanted to share. Thomas Paine printed Common Sense at his own expense, for example. Blogs are simply 21st century newspapers. What we call newspapers are more like courtiers at Versailles shoving each other aside to get closer to the king so they could get to empty his chamberpot and thereby gain influence. They are as relevant as Louis XIV is for the present time.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  8. All in all, there was no revolution.

    I agree to a large extent. There’s really no such thing as bloggers, just individual people with blogs. There’s not really a shared quality among them, any more than any group of individuals. Patterico and Kos, for example, have little in common but their use of a computer to express opinion and relay information. I certainly don’t see how one can hold an opinion of the blogs.

    MayBee (fe7621)

  9. I love the lie that blogs have accomplished nothing. They destroyed Mary Mapes’s coup attempt in 2004. That alone is a pretty damn big deal.

    If you were expecting blogs to educate the general masses, obviously they were never going to succeed. Nothing will ever educate the general masses, and populists will always be able to exploit them. But among the intellectual, blogs are a critical layer of criticism on the mass media. That’s a major enhancement. Mass media can choose to ignore blogs, and those that repeatedly do so are seen as less reputable by those who actually make serious decisions and are highly interested in these issues.

    It’s self selecting: those who really care about the issues are much more likely to read blogs, and those who read blogs are much more likely to be involved somehow in the processes that are important. It was never about educating all the idiots who watch MTV.

    Jem (4cdfb7)

  10. Does this mean that there’s hope for Judge Kozinski to grace the blogosphere with his presence?

    bridget (add3eb)

  11. 6:53
    WROTE:
    “Does this mean that there’s hope for Judge Kozinski to grace the blogosphere with his presence?”

    One could only wish Judge Kozinski was the computer whiz who everyone believes must have assisted him with the breach (by disabling) of the Nation’s Federal Courts Computer Security System establishing access and opportunity for hackers to exploit ANY FEDERAL COURT RECORD/CASE IN THE UNITED STATES, discussed by former U.S. AOC Director Mecham HERE: http://howappealing.law.com/mechamletter.pdf

    I personally like and greatly admire Judge Kozinski, particularly his First Amendment opinions. I have to wonder, however, if Judge Kozinki was possibly duped into letting a computer whiz close to him who was familiar with the Federal Courts Computer system dupe him into breaching the WebSENSE firewall by suggesting that the breach would allow the download for Federal Judges, law clerks, and staff of porn and/or MP3 files. Perhaps someone with a financial interest in breaching the firewall so Federal Court employees and law clerk would be able to pass e-mails with shared P2P files and blog on outside blogs, something the firewall apparently prevented.

    It would seem the Code of Judicial Conduct for U.S. Judges might well prohibit this type of unfettered, unmonitored extrinsic ex parte passing of P2P shared files via e-mail and blogging breach of the WebSENSE firewall prevented — where, for example, the one doing so was assigned to a particular case through which such extrinsic (non-record) evidence was being gathered for purposes of obstructing and prejudicing in an outcome-determinative sense cases actual cases pending before actual U.S. Federal Judges.

    Notwithstanding Judge Kozinski’s wife’s valiant defense of her husband, and Judge Kozinski’s personal reasons for breaching the Federal Courts Computer Security System WebSENSE firewall, there have been ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES of such breach in Federal Court security — and THAT is the BIG STORY the LA Times should be investigating. It is my belief others who knew of Judge Kozinski’s firewall breach have acted to exploit that breach to obtain dismissals of civil rights cases such exploiters viewed as unpopular to their political views.

    For example, there are a number of cases involving a disabled bar applicant with autism that have invoked the Americans With Disabilities Act, Rehabilitation Act, and U.S. Judicial Conference Communications Disability Policy first in the Ninth Circuit, then subsequently in the Eleventh Circuit. Last October, numerous blog posts came to light indicative of the Federal Courts Computer Security breach accomplished by Judge Kozinski having been exploited for the personal gain of a law clerk to an Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeal Judge, who obtained through others in both the Ninth Circuit and Sixth Circuit via e-mail and blogs, confidential information about the autistic person from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal — all of it extrinsic ex parte information passed to the autistic person’s assigned Federal Judges. Here is a sampling of how Judge Kozinski’s Federal Courts Computer Security breach criticiaed by AOC Director Mecham has continued to have severe repercussions on the impartiality and integrity of the Federal Courts System in this Nation:

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 119
    (5/18/04 9:15 am)
    Hmm…

    BITING MY TONGUE (because I work for the appellate court that could hear her case, and I have access to her pleadings below).
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    Spot
    Posts: 71
    (5/18/04 9:24 am)
    OH dear Ann …

    You must have some WICKED bite marks in your tongue right now!
    I dont know how you can STAND it!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 120
    (5/18/04 9:33 am)
    Spot, you have no idea!

    (This message was left blank)
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/31/04 10:33 pm
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    Flashy Gray
    Member
    Posts: 1283
    (5/18/04 10:45 am)
    Re: Traffic Ticket

    Certifiable Freak Show!

    I am also lamenting the fact that I missed all this while doing horse-related activities last night!!!

    I heart all the TTR legal eagles who are keeping us updated on this, it’s hilarious!!! Although AnnTM, you need to keep off of here!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 124
    (5/18/04 10:53 am)
    Re: Traffic Ticket

    (This message was left blank)
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/31/04 10:34 pm”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=41&stop=60 (emphasis added)

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1101
    (5/18/04 11:09 am)
    Re: DK’s link

    Good catch, Kahuna.

    We have PACER for free.
    I wonder if I can get access even though we are 6th Circuit? Ann, don’t you work for the 11th Circuit Ct of Appeals??

    I have a crazy day, but hopefully will have some time to do some CP legal research.

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 126
    (5/18/04 11:13 am)
    Re: DK’s link

    I think PACER is universal. The individual courts have CHASER websites (and here at the court of appeals, we can look at the dockets of all the courts below us using CHASER), but I think PACER lets you look anywhere.
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/31/04 10:34 pm
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    galloper
    Posts: 199
    (5/18/04 11:28 am)
    Re: DK’s link

    Doo-be-doo-be-doo….

    I have Paaacer….

    (I gotta say, that is an impressive list of defendants!)

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 128
    (5/18/04 11:39 am)
    Re: DK’s link

    GAAAHHH! Galloper, email me! I want to talk about this stuff with somebody and not feel guilty.
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/18/04 12:12 pm

    galloper
    Posts: 200
    (5/18/04 11:50 am)
    Email

    Done. You can delete your address now if you want.
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80 (emphasis added)

    “squishy
    Member
    Posts: 1625
    (5/18/04 1:47 pm)
    Re: lol

    I couldn’t see the replies to the Wellington link. It will only show me the ad itself?

    AnnTM, what do they tell you appellate circuit guys about confidentiality of records? I was wondering because I called on a 9th Cir. case to get the name of the attorney of record, and the clerk was all freaked out to give it to me, and told me that if anyone asked, I didn’t learn it from him??! Isn’t that public record, so what is the construction that apparently prohibits court employees from revealing public records? Just wonderin’. Congrats by the way on landing an appellate court job!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 130
    (5/18/04 1:55 pm)
    Re: lol

    Squishy, you know what? I don’t even remember what they said about confidentiality of records. I deal with sealed stuff every day, and they tell us not to leave those docs lying around on our desks overnight or ever take them out of the office, but general records that are public knowledge…?

    I just feel weird using passwords for PACER and CHASER that are given to me as a court employee for research purposes, and then looking up a case just because I’ve heard about the plaintiff and think she’s a nutjob. … Am I making a weird and arbitrary distinction there? Maybe I am…

    I do know that I cannot belong to any organizations that might come before the court (like EPA, or NAACP, or NOW), cannot make political donations or belong to politcal groups, cannot ever protest anything ever, etc. But they never said anything about having an unhealthy obsession with a litigant I encounter on an internet BB.
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=81&stop=100 (emphasis added)

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 141
    (5/19/04 11:29 am)
    Re: Ugh

    Galloper, I thought she couldn’t write? I thought that’s why she needed double-time for a scribe to write it for her, or fancy voice-activated dictation equipment?

    I particularly like how the court [REFERRING TO THE NINTH CIRCUIT]noted that her first complaint and fourth complaint were vastly different and unrelated. If she actually does have some sort of ADD, then that’s wickedly ironic. ….”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120 (discussing the disability accommodations the autistic bar applicant was prevented from receiving in the NINTH and ELEVENTH CIRCUITS)

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 131
    (5/18/04 2:14 pm)
    Re: File Access

    Galloper, I certainly wouldn’t feel as weird about it if I didn’t work for the court. They put the fear of God in us about being impartial, always being impartial, avoiding every possiblity of even a slightest iota of appearance of impropriety.
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/31/04 10:35 pm

    Spot
    Posts: 72
    (5/18/04 2:44 pm)
    Ann

    I would think YOU are nuts to share any details over a public BB.

    It might be CP free today, but what about tomorrow, or next day – who knows …

    If you emailed details to someone not connected with the actual case privately, I think that you’d be pretty well okay, but I wouldnt in a million years post anything here about it that isnt public record

    Now – a question for all of you, especially those who know CP from the past.

    Do you believe that she has some personality / mental disorder that makes her unaware of the effect her comments are having on others – that she simply does NOT realize that she is being arrogant, antagonistic, etc or – do you believe that she is as smart as as fox – she is fully aware and plays upon it to the fullest and chooses her comments and rebuttals 100% to achieve that effect?

    She puzzles me – she would be an interesting case study for someone involved in that line of work. She appears to be a career sue-er from what I can see …”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=81&stop=100 (emphasis added)

    The Eleventh Circuit law clerk and her co-participants even interfered with the autistic ADA bar applicant’s attempts to obtain employment to ensure she would have to proceed in forma pauperis, so her cases would be disamissed and appeals denied:

    “Diamond Knight
    Posts: 1663
    (5/18/04 10:56 am)

    And the replies people are adding here are really funny!

    wellington-wef.com/forums…/2459.html”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=41&stop=60

    Further, the Eleventh Circuit law clerk and her co-participants even purloined the autistic bar applicant’s copyrighted writing to pay for their legal defense should they get caught exploiting Judge Kozinski’s Federal Courts Computer Security breach:

    “Flashy Gray
    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)
    Re: CP

    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.* * *

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)
    CE,

    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )

    Draw Rein
    Member
    Posts: 30
    (5/18/04 1:42 pm)
    AnnTM and Galloper

    Couldn’t you guys let your fingers do a little oops ‘slipping’??”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80 (emphasis added)
    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1037
    (5/12/04 5:14 pm)
    I am the proud owner . . .

    of an e-mail from the one and only CP. Received it last week. Apparently, I had e-mailed someone long ago about how all her ramblings were a bunch of excuses and that she was the most excuse-prone person I had ever encountered. I also pointed out that the then-most-recent issue of the COTH profiled two riders with disabilities, and they seemed to be doing just fine, making the best of their situations rather than wallowing in excuses and self-pity.

    Well, lo and behold. Said friend (whose neck I may just wring!) anonymously (well, from an anonymous e-mail address) sent it to CP. Um, it had my e-mail address on it. CP wrote me back. It is a gem, folks.

    I have debated whether or not to post it on here. I have decided against it, as I’m not real comfortable with posting private e-mails when both parties to the exchange haven’t consented or aren’t present.

    However, I could probably be talked into posting excerpts.
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:16 pm
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    indepthly
    Member
    Posts: 31
    (5/12/04 5:24 pm)
    Re:

    POST IT TOWANDA!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!

    I need to see it!
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1042
    (5/12/04 5:33 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm

    Edited b/c blacky commented.

    I feel weird every time I read that. Like, I feel kinda bad b/c I didn’t write her back, but then I’m kinda like, I mean, what do you say to that????

    I shouldn’t feel bad anyway . . . I’ll probably be served with a lawsuit here in about a nanosecond.
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:35 pm”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20 (emphasis added)

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm

    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    – Formerly Frankiedaman –

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1043
    (5/12/04 5:35 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm

    should I feel bad for posting it? or do ya think I’m right, and I’ll probably have a summons on my doorstep like, yesterday so I sholdn’t really worry about it??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:36 pm
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1045
    (5/12/04 5:39 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm

    p.s. If anyone wants the full monty, feel free to e-mail me!
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:39 pm
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1049
    (5/12/04 6:02 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!

    Damn! I just looked at the bottom of TTR and saw that there were like 20 more people logged on now than there were when the message was posted in its entirety. Like I said, you snooze, you lose. Sorry, guys. But I’m sure everyone here will vouch for the brilliance of the original message.”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40 (emphasis added)

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1050
    (5/13/04 8:31 am)
    Re: Me! Me!

    All right, kiddies, it’s on its way (or will be in a few).

    So far, the role call goes like this:

    AnnTM
    Count
    Spot (like the e-mail addy, btw!)
    Onesie
    Bells

    Did I miss anyone???”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=41&stop=60 (emphasis added)

    The Eleventh Circuit law clerk and her co-participants even indicated they not only cyberstalked the autistic bar applicant, but additionally cross state lines to physically stalk her and her husband to obtain extrinsic information to obstruct her ADA cases pending in the Eleventh Circuit:

    “fouronthefloor
    Member
    Posts: 1387
    (5/18/04 1:10 pm)
    Re: CP

    Yea, for real—make up some dumb alter and post some fun stuff for us!!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1104
    (5/18/04 1:12 pm)
    Re: CP

    I have this insane obsession with meeting her in person. Like, anyone up for a trip to FL??
    * * *
    galloper
    Posts: 201
    (5/18/04 1:19 pm)
    Trip to FL

    I yahoo mapped her address off of the pleadings (I know, I’m an evil child). It really does appear to be a boat slip!
    * * *
    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2390
    (5/18/04 1:23 pm)
    Re: CP

    Towanda, get past that obsession RIGHT NOW! She’s loony.”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80 (emphasis added)

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 194
    (5/31/04 10:42 pm)
    Re: OK, I sent the following Email to Dateline….

    Just in case anyone’s wondering, I deleted some of the references to where I work, etc., from this email. Mention of CP’s return has me paranoid, particularly since she noted the bashing on other BB’s.
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=121&stop=137 (emphasis added)

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/12/04 4:58 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!

    By the way, who in the name of all things holy married Cellos Pride?!? I’d love to get a look at that dude if he in fact exists. Damn.
    – Formerly Frankiedaman -”
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    squishy
    Member
    Posts: 1582
    (5/12/04 5:03 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!

    RileyT made me laugh out loud. Forks in eyeballs = disability
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20 (emphasis added)

    The Eleventh Circuit law clerk and her co-participants EVEN CARRIED THEIR EXPLOITATION OF JUDGE KOZINSKI’S FEDERAL COURTS COMPUTER SECURITY SYSTEM BREACH SO FAR AS TO OBSTRUCT THE AUTISTIC BAR APPLICANT’S ADA CIVIL RIGTHS CASES IN THE TRIAL COURT:

    “Barry
    Member
    Posts: 37
    (5/19/04 10:40 pm)
    Re: No, Mini

    + FUCKING TOOLS
    + THERE US A WAY WE CAN MAKE YOU THINK YES
    + IN THE MIDDLE THERE ARE NO POTHOLES
    = WAY DOWN THERE I AM IN THE SOUR”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=121&stop=137

    The Eleventh Circuit law clerk who identified herself as a Tier-1 Harvard Law Review editor by the law review article she wrote, even sought to exploit Judge Kozinski’s Federal Courts Computer system breach to obtruct the Tier 3-4 disabled autistic bar applicant’s attorney licensure in both California (NINTH CIRCUIT) AND Florida (ELEVENTH CIRCUIT):

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 116
    (5/20/04 4:21 pm)
    Re: Wow

    I doubt the CA Board of Bar Examiners even needs the Internet spewage. They’ve got to be well aware that she’s, um, special.
    – Formerly Frankiedaman –
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    cucumber
    Posts: 19
    (5/20/04 6:37 pm)
    hum…

    So she has a lot of accounting experience, but is living in a raggy sailboat. I wonder if she could also not pass a CPA exam…??? All we need is her with an internet degree.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=121&stop=137

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 46
    (5/12/04 5:25 pm)
    Re: I am the proud owner . . .

    As rileyt said on TOB, it is becoming increasingly clear why CP is not a licensed attorney. She cannot think logically and cannot reason. And let’s face it, every client who walked through her door would hear: ‘let’s sue ’em under the ADA. Disability is a term of art, you know. I’m sure we can come up with something. Are you ever bored at work? You are? Well hot damn, there you go: you’ve got ADD and it wasn’t accommodated! Surely this will get us custody of your mutant children!’
    – Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20 (emphasis added)

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1052
    (5/13/04 9:13 am)
    heehee

    It looks as though now she is crying sex discrimination, too (see the Chris v. Margie comment at the end ).

    Is it even POSSIBLE to read 5000 cases w/o making your eyes bleed? Do you legal eagles even think there *are* 500 ADA cases out there??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/13/04 9:23 am
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    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 51
    (5/13/04 9:21 am)
    Re: heehee

    No, no. She said 5,000, not 500. There could be that many given the number of years the act has been around, I guess. Lord knows I wouldn’t want to have to read all of them. All she’s proving is that she’s completely insane and has far too much time on her hands. Get a job, freak! If she really had all those financial problems and you couple that with the fact that she is batshit crazy, she’ll never be admitted to the bar. Give it up nutbag!
    – Formerly Frankiedaman –

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee

    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )
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    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 108
    (5/13/04 9:32 am)
    Re:

    I have free Westlaw, so I will check…

    *running off to log on to Westlaw*

    OK, there are about 10,600 if you search in all federal databases. If you search in just federal appellate courts and above, there are about 3350. So yes, I suppose she could have read 5000 ADA cases. Sad, but true.

    So, the write-on competition for the law journals when I was a first year law student involved Title III of the ADA, the Casey Martin v. PGA case that has been referenced on TOB. We had to research and write our memos prior to the Supreme Court decision, and we had to predict how the case would come out. I did not agree with the majority of the Court. I thought Martin should walk the golf course, or not play in PGA tournaments. Guess that means me and CP don’t see eye to eye, huh?
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/13/04 9:34 am
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    Milk Warts
    Member
    Posts: 87
    (5/13/04 10:35 am)
    yeesh!

    she’s read 5000 cases on this subject alone? Please add to her list of disabilities “OCD.”

    Interestingly enough, there are many aspects of practicing law where one does not need to go to court regularly, if ever. Why she doesn’t pursue a career in those fields is quite beyond me.

    I’m starting to agree with the theory that the cervical injury also included a head injury.

    limey
    Member
    Posts: 432
    (5/13/04 10:38 am)
    RE: her

    Question: She always keeps sprouting about the California Bar, so why, in her COTH profile, does she have a Florida address? Why not sprout about Florida too?

    OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1533
    (5/13/04 10:46 am)
    Re: RE: her

    She applied to the CA bar, but she lives in a leaky sailboat in FL.

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 111
    (5/13/04 10:49 am)
    Re: RE: her

    I think she bitches about the FL bar, too, but not quite as much. Maybe she’s holding off applying there until she gets the suit against the CA bar resolved.

    I wonder where she keeps her horse in FL, if she has to live on a leaky sailboat? Being from FL, I wonder if anyone I know down there knows her.”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80 (emphasis added)

    “Bells
    Member
    Posts: 146
    (5/13/04 11:00 am)
    Re: CA v. FL

    yep, she is batshit crazy. I strongly suspect she fell off her wonderful horse that no one else can ride and damaged her head”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=81&stop=100

    Perhaps the Sanai situation is not an anomoly — it appears to be a pattern and practice of exploitation of Judge Kozinski’s Federal Courts Computer Security system breach by those Court law clerks, employees, and competitors of the targeted victim to have their meritorious litigation arbitrarily labeled “frivolous” via extrinsic ex parte information obtained over e-maisl and blogs the WebSENSE filter eould have prevented:

    “galloper
    Posts: 197
    (5/17/04 9:17 pm)
    CP

    Actually, I believe there is some kind of hostile litigant protection measure in place that maybe we should get her under. There was a guy here in CA that for years was going around to different wineries, walking on a prosthetic leg, and asking for tastings, but all the while he secretly measuring their tasting counter height. Then he would slap them with a lawsuit claiming that their counters were too high to accomodate his wheelchair. I think at one point he had like 17 active suits against different wineries.

    If he couldn’t get them under the ADA, he played the race/discrimination card, because he also happened to be black. Most of the wineries’ insurance companies were scared shitless and would settle with him to the tune of $10-30K. He was making quite a living off it, I can’t remember if he was in pro per, in which case he would’ve been making even more. Anyway, I think eventually the courts slapped him down for being a hostile litigant and deliberately setting people up so he could sue them.

    Anyone with ready access to Westlaw/Nexus Lexis want to look that up? I’d love to throw that in CP’s face on TOB.”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20 (emphasis added)

    WHY DID THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT LAW CLERK AND HER CO-PARTICIPANTS EXPLOIT JUDGE KOZINSKI’S FEDERAL COURTS COMPUTER SECURITY BREACH?

    BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO OBSTRUCT REMEDIES IN AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT CASES BECAUSE THEY HATE THE ADA and CIVIL RIGHTS CASES:

    “blaaacksheep
    Member
    Posts: 2948
    (5/12/04 5:22 pm)
    Re:

    I have two complaints:

    My mother stained my nursery furniture with me in utero during the final two months of her pregnancy. I can’t do math.

    Three Mile Island robbed me of having knee-shooter boobs.

    I would like to:

    a.) get out of having to do any math in my professional and personal lives, because of my disability.

    b.) be considered Baywatch-endowed by the masses, though I sport only B-cups, becuse of my disability.

    Any lawyers willing to take on my case?

    I f*cking love CP, man. As the day is long.”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20

    “MyPatey
    Member
    Posts: 98
    (5/12/04 5:43 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm

    Thank you Towanda, I needed a good laugh today. What the hell is she saying?! She doesn’t know her ass from her elbow.

    Since I’m short and fat does that mean I get to have a bye to the Olympics based on my body type disability!!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1046
    (5/12/04 5:44 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm

    Yes, and blacky gets one for her boob disability!

    We’re going to have one hell of a team this year!!
    steadyPace
    Member
    Posts: 920
    (5/12/04 5:50 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!

    I definitely should get a bye because I’m somewhat plumb and untalented.

    Towanda – that email was fucking awesome! LOVE IT! Heeee!
    I do believe this proves, without a doubt, that CP is batshit crazy.

    hrmmmm…..I wonder if I’ll get a lawsuit slapped on me too? ….
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    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1048
    (5/12/04 5:55 pm)
    Re: Re:

    Batshit crazy is my new favorite word.

    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 48
    (5/12/04 5:56 pm)
    Re: Re:

    Blaackie, if you have a boob disability, what the hell do I have? Maybe a nonboobular disorder?

    And I concur with your new rule on posting private e-mails.
    – Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 106
    (5/12/04 9:32 pm)
    Tow, me too!

    Tow, can you send that email along to me? Let me know if you need me to remind you of my email address.

    I have a bizarre fascination for CP. On the one hand, she’s certainly a hoot , but on the other hand, I feel bad because she’s clearly crazy. Maybe it’s the psych major in me, but I find myself analyzing her posts, reading and re-reading them, trying to figure out what her deal is. She’s definitely not just an opinionated gal. She’s off her rocker, no doubt.”
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    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2316
    (5/12/04 10:19 pm)
    Re: Title III?

    I still don’t understand why she can’t freaking lunge her horse at 3:00 am with the rest of the qualifiers!

    Can you imagine the stink raised if she decides to market sabino pony warmbloods?
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 528
    (5/12/04 11:27 pm)
    OMFG!

    Wingsie, the thought is too insane to comprehend.

    Imagine the implications of someone who is colour blind wanting to purchase a “coloured sport horse”. Does that make one chromatically challenged under the ADA and does it grant you a bye for dual registration for your sabino TB’S?

    Add me to the list of those who want to read the dirt in full… creseida at yahoo dot com
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    rocky72
    Member
    Posts: 52
    (5/13/04 12:50 am)
    Re: Loco…

    Clearly batshit crazy…

    By the way does anyone think I can get away with naming a new jumper “Batshit Crazy”?

    Maybe I’ll post on TOB and ask for opinions?”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=41&stop=60

    “petitcheval
    Member
    Posts: 217
    (5/13/04 1:08 pm)
    Re: Re:

    I can’t get past QI”S “nonboobular disorder”. I have that too…as well as the inability to do math. Does that qualify me for ADA?

    I really must go to the HJ bb more often–I love it when Static lets me know that there is a crisis over there, so I go to witness the impending trainwreck.

    I don’t think I even want to read Tow’s email from her—too complicated and it will just piss me off.

    You know? I am 42, I’m stiff and sore from having fucked up my back twice. I was never very athletic in some ways…that’s life. Just because I don’t have the stamina to climb Mt Everest, should they make special escalators to get me to the top? What if I were just obese like the 545 lb behomoth that was on ET the other night? She couldn’t get out of her wheel chair she was so fat, but she is considered “disabled”…do we make special exceptions for HER to be able to walk to the base of El Capitan in a national park because she wants to see it?

    I am not knocking ADa rules, but where does one draw the line? CP seems to think everything comes down to ADA rules. I always wanted to event in the Olympics–I sucked, and didn’t have enough money. It wasnt’ rocket science that after about age 14 I realized that I peaked at Prelim, nothing higher was gonna happen for me, because I didn’t have the talent, whatever.

    MGE broke her leg—we are an equestrian sport, we have horses as teammates. So, at what point does the horse get dispensation for injuries? Gee , my horse can’t canter because of some hindend issue…can I get some special thing to let me show first level dressage and skip the part we can’t do because of my horse’s disability?

    Sorry to ramble–I jsut had all these random, bizarre thoughts running thru my head. You know? I smoked a lot of dope too, maybe the loss of braincells I have now (in addition to the nonboobular disorder) will help me qualify for something other than just being stupid now.
    Bush/Cheney 2004-‘Less CIA….more CYA’
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    SwedishOxer
    Member
    Posts: 291
    (5/13/04 4:04 pm)
    Re: nonboobular

    I must say, though, Flashy raised a good point….maybe I need to check into this ADA stuff…..maybe a good way to get that 6 figure amateur horse by the end of the year.

    Flashy Gray
    Member
    Posts: 1257
    (5/13/04 4:10 pm)
    Re: nonboobular

    SO, if leeches like Peter Angelos, Dicky Scruggs, and the fun folk at that Motley firm can suck at the tobacco teat to the tune of billions, you should be able to plead ADA for a new leadline pony.
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    blaaacksheep
    Member
    Posts: 2972
    (5/13/04 5:22 pm)
    Re: re:

    Quote:

    Post incessantly and senselessly on COTH BB.

    And on TTR.

    Red rover, red rover, Let the ADA come over!

    * * *

    It’s up there very high. But not as high as maybe dirigibles or zeppelins or light bulbs. And maybe clouds! And puffins also I think maybe.

    This Is MAD
    Member
    Posts: 160
    (5/13/04 5:43 pm)
    Re: re:

    Quote:

    Red rover, red rover, Let the ADA come over!

    NO! Because then she will have a legit claim for being mentally disabled after this BB is done with her!

    OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1551
    (5/13/04 7:50 pm)
    Re: re:

    My boyfriend has an internship for the summer with the planning department in a neighboring city. When I got home today, he was working on a map that he’s making. He’s coding the sidewalks and intersections for ADA compliance. How timely!”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=81&stop=100 (emphasis added)

    “Barry
    Member
    Posts: 34
    (5/13/04 8:12 pm)
    Abberational barriors and the socratic method

    This discust me. Ononeon I dont know what municipal jurstiction you live in but using internes rather then disabled sailors to ensure ADA compliance is actionable under section 3.4.IXVI.(a) of the ADA section 4. Thus the Socartiac method is in effect. Precendets have been set in California, Cleveland and Ohio.The supreme court of Minnesota ruled in Andy v Capp 3-1 in favor of interns but the ruling was overturned in appelate jury by a justice of the piece. Nenertheless, the hostility persists and the ADA allows me to post this here under the 5th ammendemnt. This is what we call an arbitrational barrier.”
    Source HERE:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=101&stop=104

    THAT THERE, for all you doubters about the significance of the Kozinski matters, is the REAL CONSEQUENCE — the public perception of the fairness, impartiality, and integrity of a Nation’s Federal Courts System that cannot control how its Judges, employees, law clerks, and/or staff PLUS outsiders are exploiting the Federal Courts Computer system to obstruct and arrange the outcome in unpopular cases.

    This is bigger than Watergate.

    Deep Throat (1e83d1)


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