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Sweet, Sweet Turmoil: It’s Just Over the Next Hill

Filed under: 2008 Election,General — Patterico @ 12:08 am


I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted. I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were. This is really going to be a serious challenge for the Democratic Party because the voters in Michigan and Florida are the ones being hurt, and certainly with respect to Florida the Democrats were dragged into doing what they did by a Republican governor and a Republican Legislature. They didn’t have any choice whatsoever. And I don’t think that there should be any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida. I think Florida should be seated.

Awesome. She totally agreed to the opposite in writing before the vote, but now she won. So to hell with the agreement.

I love it. Love. It.

Pop some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the show.

16 Responses to “Sweet, Sweet Turmoil: It’s Just Over the Next Hill”

  1. What comes next? But of course, “It’s all George Bush’s fault.” Bada-boom.

    Iapetus (ea6f31)

  2. First we have the contest, then we decide the rules.

    Daryl Herbert (4ecd4c)

  3. Remind me of the vote in that Florida legislature again.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  4. Blame the Republicans again. What children.

    lynndh (a20f74)

  5. Electoral Calvinball with Howard dean as the ref. This should be on pay per view, yet we get to watch it for free! Thank you, Democrats.

    Pablo (99243e)

  6. Rules are for Little People.

    mojo (8096f2)

  7. Reminds me of my wife’s youngest brother. I should have known he would grow up to be a Democrat. When he was a teenager, it was impossible to play any kind of board game that included this kid. Whenever he got behind, he would start trying to change the rules. When the rest of us refused to change the rules in mid game; he would upset the board and stomp out of the room.

    Bar Sinister (3b1790)

  8. Here’s the long and short of the Democratic nomination process and why it will be an unmitigated disaster.

    DNC Chair Howard Dean ruled that Michigan and Florida’s delagates wouldn’t be seated for violating the scheduling dates. What he didn’t change was the number of delegates needed to select a nomineee. It remains a majority of authorized delegates (2025 of 4048) not a simple majority of seated delegates. By removing Michigan and Florida’s delegates (366), there will be only 3682 delegates remaining to come up with the winning 2025. That means to clinch, either Obama or Clinton must amass at least 366 more than the other. With the delegate count where it is today, there is no conceivable way either candidate can come up with 2025 delegates. Each side would have to come up with either 70% (Obama) or 87% (Hillary) of the remaining delegates.

    Why not just change the rules to a simple majority of seated delegates? Not that simple. It requires a vote of the DNC Rules Committee and they won’t get it. Each side sees any change of the rules as an advantage to the other. The same will go for a redo of Michigan and Florida primaries.

    The longer this goes on, the more each side will dig their heels in. It will be gridlock. There is no incentive for either side to reach a compromise on anything before the convention. Neither will yield the nomination to the other and they will block any rule changes.

    The real problem comes if the lawyers get involved. There is a distinct possiblity the Clinton side will challenge to seat the two states’ delegations with the Credentials Committee and they will lose. Their next step may be legal action that simply can’t be relsolved during the four days of the convention, maybe much longer. This could be a “suicide pill” for the whole selection process.

    The convention will be pure theater. Don’t miss it!

    Corky Boyd (a8cc75)

  9. “Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.”

    Rove, You Magnificent Bastard.(tm)

    PCachu (e072b7)

  10. Hillary seems determined to win the nomination at any cost.

    But if she wins a nomination by tearing the party apart, she’ll not only lose the general; she’ll shatter the party for the next decade.


    aphrael (db0b5a)

  11. But if she wins a nomination by tearing the party apart, she’ll not only lose the general; she’ll shatter the party for the next decade.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    Taltos (4dc0e8)

  12. Taltos: unlike most of the commenters here, i’m a liberal. I’m not particularly thrilled with the Democrats, for many reasons; but I suspect I’d be less thrilled with a decade of one-party politics dominated by the conservative movement.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  13. Not even president (yet?) and already breaking campaign promises? Say it ain’t so!

    Proud Floridian (0f90ce)

  14. aphrael, how do you think us older conservatives feel about the Legislative branch of this government from about 1930 through 1994???

    Why do you think for a second that the Democrats are where they are now???

    reff (bff229)

  15. but I suspect I’d be less thrilled with a decade of one-party politics dominated by the conservative movement.

    Don’t worry aphrael, since the Republicans nominated John McCain, you won’t see politics dominated by conservatives, even if he wins.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  16. Hillary is the stronger Presidential candidate. BHO is the stronger primary candidate. But BHO, if elected, will be crushed by world events and by a party with a thousand leaders trying to be in charge. Hillary would definitely be in charge – as will Bill, there would be no one permitted to share the spotlight.

    It will come to this: Hillary will accept the nomination with BHO as her sidekick. He’ll be given useless tasks to “unite” the community. But Bill will be the real assistant President.

    Why does any of this surprise people? Hillary will by far be the much stronger and better President. You won’t get universal health care with BHO – in fact, you’ll have gridlock as the various factions of the Democrat party start fissuring on January 23, 2009. Hillary won’t allow that, and will be a much, much stronger horse trader to get what she wants.

    steve miller (3a9833)

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