Is the Hillary Train About To Leave the Rails? A Train Wreck Must be Like A Car Accident — You Can’t Help But Look
Posted By WLS:
Several events/news reports over the past week or so seem to foretell a coming train wreck for the Hillary Express.
But I was drawn to writing this post after reading this National Journal article by Stuart Taylor. Taylor’s past writings have always led me to believe he’s slightly left of center, but not a rabid partisan by any means. But he’s absolutely eviserates Hillary in this article. Its truly stunning in its repeated body blows to her character and honesty. The best part is, they’re all true. A sampling:
Former lounge singer Gennifer Flowers surfaced in early 1992 with claims — corroborated by tapes of phone calls — that she had had a long affair with then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, who had arranged a state job for her. Bill Clinton told the media, falsely, that the woman’s “story is untrue.”
….Hillary backed his squishy denials … on “60 Minutes”… More deceptively, she suggested to ABC’s Sam Donaldson that Bill’s contacts with Flowers were just an example of how he loved to “help people who are in trouble” and “listen to their problems.”
“Hillary’s words uncannily foreshadowed her insistence six years later to … a White House aide that Bill had ‘ministered’ to [Monica] Lewinsky because she was a troubled young woman,” Sally Bedell Smith writes in her fine new book about the Clintons, For Love of Politics. Hillary has continued to insist that she believed what she said about Lewinsky. But friends and former aides have told Smith and others that she knew her husband was lying all along.
…. Chief of Staff Mack McLarty fired the seven employees in the White House office that arranges travel for the press corps … the dismissed employees were quickly replaced by friends and relatives of the Clintons.
Hillary later told the General Accounting Office, in a document prepared by her attorney, that she had no role in the decision to fire the employees, did not know the “origin of the decision,” and “did not direct that any action be taken by anyone” other than keeping her informed.
But her statements were contradicted by evidence, including a long-concealed memo to McLarty and a written chronology prepared by White House aide David Watkins that came to light years later. Hillary, Watkins wrote, had said that “we need those people out and we need our people in” and had made it clear that “there would be hell to pay” unless she got “immediate action.” Another aide wrote that Hillary intimate Susan Thomases had said, “Hillary wants these people fired.”
During the same press conference, Hillary was asked why her then-chief of staff, Maggie Williams, had been involved in removing documents from the office of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster after his suicide… “I don’t know that she did remove any documents,” Hillary said. But it was reported three months later that Hillary had instructed Williams to remove the Foster documents to the White House residence. Then they were turned over to Clinton attorney Bob Barnett.
Castle Grande was a sewer of sham transactions, some used to funnel cash into Madison Guaranty. Castle Grande’s ultimate collapse contributed to that of the thrift, which cost taxpayers millions. Hillary told federal investigators that she knew nothing about Castle Grande. When it turned out that more than 30 of her 60 hours of legal work for Madison Guaranty involved Castle Grande, she said she had known the project under a different name. A 1996 Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. report said that she had drafted documents that Castle Grande used to “deceive federal bank examiners.”
Prosecutors later came to believe that Hillary had padded her bills; she “wasn’t guilty of [knowingly] facilitating nefarious transactions — she was guilty of doing less work than she took credit for,” Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr. explain in their 2007 biography, Her Way.
Today we have this story in the NY Daily News. Generally speaking, I consider the Daily News only marginally above a tabloid, but I do credit this story because this is a story the NYT probably wouldn’t pursue the way the Daily News’ reporters would, and its being reported by an old pro, Thomas DeFrank. These are the graphs that get my attention:
Several other Hillary Clinton partisans, however, aren’t so shy about critiquing the performance of her campaign – and predict a major staff purge is inevitable.
Campaign officials and a source close to both Clintons flatly denied the head-rolling buzz. “Can this change by the end of the week? Yes,” the source said. “But at this point, everyone’s on solid footing.”
Another Hillary Clinton operative told The News, “Nothing will happen until after Iowa,” referring to the Jan. 3 Hawkeye State caucuses. The candidate last night rejected the scuttlebutt.
“These stories are false. I have the best staff in the country, and I have total and complete confidence in them,” she said.
Campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle is the biggest target, sources said. She recently took over personal command of the Iowa operation, and a Clinton defeat there could damage her future.
As Barack Obama has steadily narrowed Hillary Clinton’s once-impregnable lead, friction inside her headquarters has flared. One post-Thanksgiving meeting erupted into finger-pointing over the loss of her advantage.
“They all want to kill each other,” said a source aware of the closed-door meeting.
The backstabbing involves several high-level people in the campaign, including Penn, Mandy Grunwald, Ann Lewis and Howard Wolfson, sources said.
There are several other descriptions of the sources for this article, including: “a top Democratic operative”; “Sources familiar with the ex-President’s thinking”; “an official who regularly speaks with him”; “Another Democrat with close connections to the Clinton campaign”; “A source close to the former First Couple”; “Sources close to the former President.”
Now, that’s a lot of trouble to go to if you’re reporting based on only one or two sources. Rather, it looks like there are numerous people jockeying for post-Iowa recriminations. And if she goes down in New Hampshire as well, it’ll be full-blown Clinton armageddon. If Hillary Clinton loses this nomination, Bill and Hillary Clinton will both be tossed onto the scrapheap of history. The magic will be gone, and the fear they instill in other Dems because of their vaunted political machine will be a thing of the past.
Now, I see real fear on the Clinton camp about Iowa, and I think it started with this polling data from the washington post which was reported on Nov. 20. Understanding how the caucuses are different makes this data so much more troublesome for the Clinton camp:
Overall, the poll points to some strategic gains for Obama. His support is up eight percentage points since July among voters 45 and older — who accounted for two-thirds of Iowa caucus-goers in 2004. He also runs evenly with Clinton among women in Iowa, drawing 32 percent to her 31 percent….
And despite widespread impressions that Obama is banking on unreliable first-time voters, Clinton depends on them heavily as well: About half of her supporters said they have never attended a caucus. Forty-three percent of Obama’s backers and 24 percent of Edwards’s would be first-time caucus-goers. Previous attendance is one of the strongest indicators of who will vote.
In another positive shift for Obama, 55 percent now see him as their first or second choice, an important trend in a state where a person’s second choice can matter and voters often switch their support at the last minute.
According to Democratic Party rules, candidates must draw at least 15 percent at each caucus site for the votes to count; if that fails to happen, their supporters often throw their votes to a more viable contender. In this poll, 34 percent of those voters would make Obama their second choice, 28 percent Edwards and 15 percent Clinton.
The last paragraph is huge in a caucus state. What happens is that the voters will assemble themselves in groups according to the candidate they support. Its likely that the Clinton and Obama groups will be similar size to start the evening. But, as the groups backing candidates that don’t get 15% have to move to other candidates (or leave, I think) the polling suggests that Obama stands to gain much more than Clinton. So, for example, say Richardson-Biden-Dodd get 20 votes out of 100 between them — under caucus rules their groups would have to disband and move to “surviving” candidates who got more than 15 each — probably only Obama, Hillary, and Edwards. That puts 20 votes up for grabs. The representatives of the “surviving” candidates then try to persuade the eligible voters to join their guy/gal. Since there is a huge gap — 34-15 — favoring Obama as to which candidate would be “second choice”, its likely that a substantially larger number of those 20 votes for Richardson-Biden-Dodd will end up with Obama than with Hillary in the next tally. So, while he might lead her only 28-25 after the first vote, if those 20 Richardson-Biden-Dodd voters break for Obama by a 10-4 margin, with Edwards getting the rest, Obama’s lead over her suddenly expands in the second vote to the neighborhood of 37-28. If Obama ends up beating her by anything close to 10 points in Iowa, the NH primary is too close in time for her to recover.
Especially since today we have news and more news that the NH Dem. primary has suddenly become a statistical dead heat. She has also lost her lead in South Carolina to Obama.
Conventional wisdom until recently had been that the “inevitability” of Clinton’s nomination would likely drive NH independents to pull ballots in the GOP primary. But, if there is a real race in the Dem. primary, its likely to be the other way around. This nytimes article from October seems to have foreshadowed this change in sentiment among NH independents. If they move into the Dem primary, its bad news for Clinton and great news for Obama. Today’s polling shows that Obama leads Clinton among NH independents by 10 points in the CNN poll, and 14 points in the Rasmussen poll. The more he impresses in Iowa, the more likely they are to stampede to the polls for him in NH. The Rasmussen poll shows that 39% of voters in the Dem. primary will be independents, compared to only 29% reflected in previous Rasmussen surveys — so more independents are saying they are going to vote in the Dem primary now that the gap has closed.
The bottom line is that while the Clinton “machine” has run a “machine” campaign — raising gobs of money and putting pressure combined with treats to generate support from party insiders — Hillary Clinton is an unlikeable person and a terrible candidate. As the day draws closer when people have to decide if they really WANT her as President — at this point Democrats having to decide — they are staring into the abyss and not liking what they see.
Her entire career strategy was wrong. She should have developed a CV of her own instead of working for Bill-connected law firms in Arkansas and helping Bill in his career. Now that it’s “her turn” she is looking like leftovers from yesterday’s dinner, which wasn’t so great in the first place. She is also looking exactly like that “little woman” she reviled in 1992, standing by her man so she could ride his coattails once again.
Patricia (f56a97) — 12/12/2007 @ 6:39 pmWhen they jettison the current campaign brain-trust, one can only hope that Laurence O’Donnell will have a prominent, public role in the new staff. He’ll bring a great deal of gravitas to this endeavor.
Another Drew (8018ee) — 12/12/2007 @ 6:46 pm“Hillary was asked why her then-chief of staff, Maggie Williams, had been involved in removing documents from the office of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster after his suicide…” Err Murder!
Oh well…
Teddy continues to sit in the house many years and elections after he caused the death of Mary jo as well.
Keep electing lawyers to law making positions folks! It’s really as simple as that! Result is history!
TC (1cf350) — 12/12/2007 @ 7:04 pmIt doesn’t matter how Hillary finishes in either Iowa or New Hampshire. The Clinton model is to declare victory regardless of the actual vote. The MSM will dutifully declare Hillary victorious even if she finishes third.
Perfect Sense (b6ec8c) — 12/12/2007 @ 7:20 pmIt matters, Perfect Sense, in that a lot of her support is believed to be supporting her out of a sense of inevitability and will ditch her if they think they can join others on another bandwagon.
There is something to it, given her high negatives, but we’ll have to see.
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/12/2007 @ 7:24 pmStuart Taylor is EXTREMELY fond of Barack Obama, to give the Hillary piece some perspective.
Obama in the White House, he says, would “help shrink that residue of white racism to vestigial proportions.”
Not sure I believe that.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200702u/nj_taylor_2007-02-02
steve (116f35) — 12/12/2007 @ 7:30 pmSo you don’t think Taylor is buying the whole “The Clintons are really Black” stuff, eh?
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/12/2007 @ 7:35 pmHllary!’s campaign reminds me a bit of Teddy’s campaign in 1980.
His negatives proved just too hard to overcome even with the well-understood weaknesses of Jimmuh, and with the undeniable Kennedy charisma, money and organizational muscle. The Kennedy machine was ready for another triumphant ride.
In August 1979, Kennedy was beating Carter in a Gallup poll 58-25. It was inevitable then, but it was not to be. Kennedy faltered, but Carter recovered and won in Iowa and NH.
Kennedy never recovered, and Carter won 6 states and the District of Columbia in the general election.
vnjagvet (d3d48a) — 12/12/2007 @ 7:59 pmStuart Taylor is far from being a leftist and like the vast majority of the right loathes Hillary Clinton with a passion bordering on the pathological. Watch the way his teeth snap the next time he’s on PBS yammering about herlatest alleged outrage.
Just in from seeing Teeth, a new little indie written and directed by now-former actor Mitchell Lichtenstein (He starred in Altman’s Streamers and Ang Lee’s The Wedding Banquet.) Part John Waters, part David lynch (and unfortunately not the best parts of either) it’s the fanciful tale of a pretty young miss who discovers she has actual vagina dentata — the very thing the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Hillaryites imagine to be her defining feature.
A shame Lichentenstein didn’t “go older” and cast Mrs. Clinton in the role.
It would have been the best of all Republican wet dreams.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/12/2007 @ 8:30 pmDoes projection ever get tired, David?
JD (d660a2) — 12/12/2007 @ 8:34 pmDoes penis-envy ever get tired, JD?
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/12/2007 @ 9:01 pmEvidently not, JD.
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/12/2007 @ 9:02 pmYou make a convincing case, WLS, and I hope you’re right.
DRJ (09f144) — 12/12/2007 @ 9:20 pmSPQR – Now, I know that I can name call and cuss with the best of them, but do me a favor. If I ever resort to making comments like David E’s projection about penis-envy, please stop me. Isn’t projection premised upon one’s own sense of inadequacy, David? Oops, there I go.
JD (d660a2) — 12/12/2007 @ 9:27 pmJD, I’m hoping I don’t have to stop you. Its a shame that David feels the need to show the world the depths of his own bile and bitterness.
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/12/2007 @ 9:33 pmWhen it comes to “bile and bitterness” Randy Newman’s the champ.
“When Karl Marx was a boy
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/12/2007 @ 9:44 pmHe took a hard look around
He saw people were starving all over the place
While others were painting the town (buh, buh, buh)
The public spirited boy
Became a public spirited man
So he worked very hard and he read everything
Until he came up with a plan
There’ll be no exploitation
Of the worker or his kin
No discrimination ’cause the color of your skin
No more private property
It would not be allowed
No one could rise too high
No one could sink too low
Or go under completely like some we all know
If Marx were living today
He’d be rolling around in his grave
And if I had him here in my mansion on the hill
I’d tell him a story t’would give his old heart a chill
It’s something that happened to me
I’d say, Karl I recently stumbled
Into a new family
With two little children in school
Where all little children should be
I went to the orientation
All the young mommies were there
Karl, you never have seen such a glorious sight
As these beautiful women arrayed for the night
Just like countesses, empresses, movie stars and queens
And they’d come there with men much like me
Froggish men, unpleasant to see
Were you to kiss one, Karl
Nary a prince would there be
Oh Karl the world isn’t fair
It isn’t and never will be
They tried out your plan
It brought misery instead
If you’d seen how they worked it
You’d be glad you were dead
Just like I’m glad I’m living in the land of the free
Where the rich just get richer
And the poor you don’t ever have to see
It would depress us, Karl
Because we care
That the world still isn’t fair”
Thought you all would find interesting the following information about David Ehrenstein. This is not a gag– all of the below are TRUE FACTS:
– Was a close friend of National Review Columnist Cathy Seipp.
qdpsteve (cd214a) — 12/12/2007 @ 11:00 pm– Is NOT a fan of rap music. (Prefers classic soul, funk, Motown and classic rock, just as I suspect most others who comment here do.)
– Enjoyed Tilda Swinton in Narnia.
– Said nice things about Gerald Ford after his passing (in fact, that was right here at PP).
– Wrote liner notes to Criterion Collection DVD editions of Lindsay Anderson’s If, Martin Scorcese’s Last Temptation of Christ, *and* Jacques Tati’s classic 1950s French family feature M. Hulot’s Holiday.
– Is NOT a fan of Brokeback Mountain.
– Has often defended the artistic merit of the films of (gasp) D.W. Griffith.
– Enjoys C.S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters.
– Also has enormous respect for the career of Charlton Heston.
– Knows (like all sensible people) that OJ Simpson was guilty.
Anyone else having trouble with the link to the National Journal article?
Old Coot (2f9910) — 12/13/2007 @ 7:14 amOld Coot — my apologies if the link is bad. I didn’t have time to check them yesterday. I’ll fix it in a couple hours. If you want to read the article before then, go to RealClearPolitics, and look at Tuesday’s linked columns.
wls (6c5569) — 12/13/2007 @ 7:54 amwls: Google wasn’t my friend, you were. Thanks.
Old Coot (2f9910) — 12/13/2007 @ 8:23 am“Vince Foster’s body lies a mouldering in the grave…”
If you study the official documents in the case — you know; the kind of work that’s commonly derided as “conspiracy theory” — there can only be one conclusion:
No matter what else might have happened to that man, there is no way — no way in this world — that he shot himself in Ft. Marcy Park with that Colt .38.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 8:28 amThis was a Post about Hillary, wasn’t it? It appears to have become about people that resemble Hillary…why? Don’t we all have more important to do in our lives than to name call, bash or generally get ugly? Geez!!!!
Sue (585014) — 12/13/2007 @ 8:38 amSo why did Hillary murder Vincent Foster, Billy Beck? Did she kill him “accidentally on purpose” duing Basic Instinct-style sex? Was he about to blow her cover as the World’s Biggest Lesbian? Did he know the real story about the Travel Office Firing Scandal ? The Mena airport drug dealing? What L. Brent Bozzell likes to do in bed?
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 8:47 amDavid, the same reason that George W. Bush either actually conducted or intentionally let the 9/11 attacks happen.
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/13/2007 @ 9:11 am“So why did Hillary murder Vincent Foster, Billy Beck?”
You’re not paying attention, Ehrenstein, and you will always act like a moron until you do. I have never said that anyone murdered Foster. I don’t know what happened to him. He might actually have killed himself. But he didn’t do it in that Park with that weapon. No way. Now, if you knew a thing in the world about the case, you might be able to remark sensibly on it.
Do you know anything about Foster? Are you aware that he was the full-blown Clinton consigliere? Do you know, for single instance, that he was legally culpable for his work on the perjured affidavit that Ira Magaziner filed with a federal court in the Health Care Task Force Working Groups case? That in itself, might have been motive for suicide in a man like Foster.
Tell us what you know, sonny.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 9:23 amSo why did Hillary murder Vincent Foster, Billy Beck?
What?! A liberal straw man? I guess nobody can say the evidence is strong he didn’t die in Ft. Marcy Park, which he almost certainly didn’t, without therefore saying Hillary killed him.
Although it’s certainly plausible somebody killed him.
Gerald A (10b9b3) — 12/13/2007 @ 9:28 amI won’t vote for Hillary, period. I do not like her. She’s a bone-deep liar without a single shred of conscience. Just like Billy – two peas in a pod.
mojo (8096f2) — 12/13/2007 @ 10:40 am“Just like Billy – two peas in a pod.”
That’s not true. In the league in which he is pleased to pose, he almost qualifies as an imbecile. He’s never had an original political thought in his life.
She was always the brains of the outfit, which is a horrifying fact.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 10:55 amLet me put it this way: Camille Paglia spiked him perfectly when she said, “He wants all the cheeseburgers in the world.”
Go take a good long look at the famous photograph of The Lying Bastard shaking JFK’s hand at the age of sixteen.
That’s him, right down to the present day.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:02 amI agree with Billy Beck. If not for Hillary, Billy would have just been an undercapo in his uncle’s rackets, driving a used Cadillac convertible, overseeing bootleg liquor sales, and hitting on waitresses at truck stops.
nk (6061ba) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:04 amYes.
Such colorful language. Who’s your script doctor? Robert Towne?
Are you aware that Vincent Foster was a closeted gay man about to be outed by the Republicans — which is why he shot himself in the gay cruising area of Ft. Marcy park?
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:07 amWLS,
I have to congratulate you on an excellent article on how the Democrats caucus in Iowa. The explanation of the 15% rule was spot on. This is how the front runners manipulate the votes with their “ward healers” bribing, intimidating, and coercing losing candidates’ caucusers to their column.
This where I see Hillary losing Iowa, too. She’s not many people’s 2nd choice.
PCD (09d6a8) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:18 am“Are you aware that Vincent Foster was a closeted gay man about to be outed by the Republicans — which is why he shot himself in the gay cruising area of Ft. Marcy park?”
I deeply regret that there really is no way to express explosive laughter online.
Ehrenstein? You’d be taking a big step up to become a “conspiracy theorist”.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:24 am33, Billy, try ROTFLOL. It works for me.
(Rolling On The Floor, Laughing Out Loud)
PCD (09d6a8) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:33 amI first saw that thing online almost twenty years ago, PCD.
It is completely inept at dealing with something like Ehrenstein.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 11:48 amAs James B. Stewart of the Wall Street Journal Mr. Beck
Go ahead — ask him.
I’ll wait.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 12:31 pm35, Billy, short of dumping a Terex Titan load of pig manure on Ehrenstein’s desk, there really isn’t an adequate response to him.
PCD (09d6a8) — 12/13/2007 @ 12:39 pmHow vivid.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 12:55 pmWhy should I, David? I’ve done more work on the case than that asshole, and he never asked me.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 1:03 pmDavid, sorry your mother told you the world was supposed to be fair…she shouldn’t have lied to you….
If you missed the IRONY and SATIRE of Randy’s song, too bad….he probably missed it too….while counting his money made from it….
Enjoy the manure dump….
reff (bff229) — 12/13/2007 @ 1:29 pmReff – Just remember for David E. the most important thing is where you stick your dick. Everything else is secondary.
I’ve never heard his Foster rumor, but the gay male suicide rate is way higher than the hetero male suicide rate for what its worth.
daleyrocks (906622) — 12/13/2007 @ 1:40 pmBringing a smile to your lips and spring to your step, no doubt.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 2:24 pmDavid E. also believes he can read minds. He is mistaken.
daleyrocks (906622) — 12/13/2007 @ 2:30 pmYou are the one who is mistaken. I have never claimed to be Sylvia Browne. Can’t say the same of a number of others in here.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 2:47 pm41 daleyrocks — Occum’s Razor says that all other things being accounted for, gay male suicide angle must be right.
WLS (dfa1f1) — 12/13/2007 @ 2:50 pmDavid E is projecting his penis-envy onto everyone else again today, I see.
JD (d660a2) — 12/13/2007 @ 3:12 pmWLS – What evidence is there that Vince was gay? I don’t recall.
daleyrocks (906622) — 12/13/2007 @ 3:13 pm“Occum’s Razor says that all other things being accounted for…”
Do you know anything about the case?
To even insinuate that “all other things” about it are “accounted for” is transparently ridiculous.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 3:40 pmBilly — I’m on your side here. My post is mocking David E — along the lines of saying “Well, that must be it”.
Sarcasm doesn’t come out of a keyboard too well sometimes.
WLS (dfa1f1) — 12/13/2007 @ 4:45 pmAh, I see. Sorry I blew up.
I’ve seen a great deal of plainly unconscionable horseshit behind this thing over the years. I’ve got about two nerves left for it, and it’s easy to get on ’em.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/13/2007 @ 5:04 pmTry using visual aids, WLS.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/13/2007 @ 5:04 pmWLS – Occams’s razor does indeed say all other things being equal, the simplest expaination is often the best. In David’s penis filled dreams I can imagine him believing his explaination for what drove Vince to suicide. Your mileage and that of other rational people may vary.
daleyrocks (906622) — 12/13/2007 @ 5:46 pmIt is all about teh ghey, huh David?
JD (d660a2) — 12/13/2007 @ 5:58 pm“If not for Hillary, Billy would have just been an undercapo in his uncle’s rackets, driving a used Cadillac convertible, overseeing bootleg liquor sales, and hitting on waitresses at truck stops.”
-nk
Maybe… I kinda doubt it, but maybe.
How’s this: I’ll admit my Yale-graduate president is a moron if you’ll admit that your Yale-graduate president is a moron.
I guess Hillary’s smarter than Barbara, all things being equal.
Leviticus (5097a7) — 12/14/2007 @ 10:30 amAhem. That would be “Laura”… not that it matters, sadly enough.
Leviticus (5097a7) — 12/14/2007 @ 10:31 amJust because someone made $100,000 on a $1,000 investment in cattle futures doesn’t make her the smartest woman alive…
Scott Jacobs (425810) — 12/14/2007 @ 10:42 am“I guess Hillary’s smarter than Barbara,…”
Laura never argued that a president under threat of impeachment should be denied legal counsel. Like Rodham did.
Even John Doar was appalled.
Billy Beck (0db0ae) — 12/14/2007 @ 10:53 am56, Scott, don’t forget, as usual, people committed illegal acts for Hillary which she knew nothing about. In this case it was Red Bone violating trading laws to unlawfully enrich Hillary from the straddles Bone handled.
PCD (09d6a8) — 12/14/2007 @ 11:30 amAsk Ken Mehlman.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 12:00 pmHow about YOU Give us a god damned answer, David?
Or are you, as someone who’s been in the journalism business for fucking forever, unable to put together sentences that are longer than three God Damn words?
Scott Jacobs (425810) — 12/14/2007 @ 12:32 pmWhat in hell are you flapping your gums about?
Do you fancy me a Hillary Supporter ? Well I’m not. But unlike you I don’t believe she’s the Souce of All Evil in the Universe.
That would be Tom Delay.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:13 pmWhat on Earth would Ken Mehlman know about your fixations, Princess?
Pablo (99243e) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:14 pmWait a minute….are you about to go all Mike Jones on Mehlman, Dave?
Pablo (99243e) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:15 pmEver since this election cycle started (somewhere back int in 40’s I think) Hillary has been regarded as the Front Runner. She has the name-recognition, the organization and the money. Now it looks like Obama is on the rise, giving her some genuine competition. How this will all end I have no idea. But the MSM is exalting in the “Horse Race” aspect. Such cheap whores, the lot of them.
(I’m referrign to the MSM of course. Political Whoedom is quite expensive.)
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:17 pmAsk him yourself why don’t you.
And I’m no Princess, dear.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:19 pmI just threw up a little in my mouth.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:20 pmKen and I haven’t talked since that thing back in…well, we don’t talk about it. So you’ll have to fill us in, Princess.
Pablo (99243e) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:21 pmThen ask the Queen.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:46 pmLeviticus #54,
I have already said that Clinton is brilliant. That does not preclude him from using his brilliance to fulfill his appetites and not any political ambitions. I can count to twenty without having to take my shoes off, myself. But I never wanted political office or anything more than being able to take care of the ones I love. Which brings us to Laura. Do you have any evidence that she is not as smart as Hillary other than her lack of interest in having power over other people?
A quote from Leonidas at Thermopylae. Xerxes offered to make him his satrap (viceroy/duke) over all the Greeks if Leonidas would come over to the Persian side. Leonidas answered: “If you understood what is best in life, you would not desire the possessions of, and domination over, others.”
nk (6061ba) — 12/14/2007 @ 1:46 pmI doubt Bush knows any more about your fixations than Mehlman, David. Why don’t you just tell us about them?
Pablo (99243e) — 12/14/2007 @ 2:30 pmI tell me about mine if you’ll tell me about yours.
David Ehrenstein (5f9866) — 12/14/2007 @ 2:48 pmI’m going begin aggressively policing the comments on this post unless everyone manages to return to the topic. If you want to simply pitch insults back and forth, sign up for some Yahoo instant messaging and have fun.
WLS (dfa1f1) — 12/14/2007 @ 2:50 pmAllahpundit thinks Hillary is hinting about the dirt she’s collecting.
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/14/2007 @ 2:50 pm