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11/7/2007

“Thank You for Peace”

Filed under: International,War — DRJ @ 6:43 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

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— DRJ

46 Responses to ““Thank You for Peace””

  1. The Instapundit links internet reaction to this photo. I especially recommend the commentary by the Anchoress.

    DRJ (5c60fb) — 11/7/2007 @ 7:57 pm

  2. Anchoress says it well. I had not seen the text of Sarkozy’s speech before, and he sounds like he cares more for America than many on the Left do.

    JD (49efd3) — 11/7/2007 @ 8:01 pm

  3. I had not seen the text of Sarkozy’s speech before, and he sounds like he cares more for America than many on the Left do.

    That speech was made before Congress. Call me a cynic, but a world leader telling other world leaders how great their country is isn’t the first place I’d look to find an honest evaluation of a nation. Whadya, think he’d show up and say, “you’re all doing a terrible job”?

    It is, truly one of the best suck-up speeches I’ve ever seen, though. Way to use it to take a jab at the left — “If only you guys liked us as much as that suck-up does, you’d be cool . . .” especially considering how much the right loves the French . . .

    phil (aa9cba) — 11/7/2007 @ 8:12 pm

  4. hey phil

    suckups usually suck up because they are eager to get something

    what does France want from us that we don’t already provide?

    And oh.. world leader telling other world leaders how great their country is isn’t the first place I’d look to find an honest evaluation of a nation. Whadya, think he’d show up and say, “you’re all doing a terrible job”? I guess you missed Ahmadawackjob at Columbia?

    Darleen (187edc) — 11/7/2007 @ 8:55 pm

  5. what does France want from us that we don’t already provide?

    Are you serious? Read the speech. He explicitly asks for stuff.

    phil (aa9cba) — 11/7/2007 @ 9:00 pm

  6. Michael Yon will continue to be ignored by the MSM. He is straying from the narrative.

    JD (49efd3) — 11/7/2007 @ 9:07 pm

  7. I saw this earlier somewhere and was going to put up a post with the picture. Glad you did it as I have gotten sidetracked railing about Olbermann’s hystrionics.

    WLS (bafbcb) — 11/7/2007 @ 9:31 pm

  8. phil – Chirac had a slightly different opinion of the U.S. than Sarkozy. There has been a change in administration in France, much to the consternation of the left. Perhaps you didn’t notice.

    daleyrocks (906622) — 11/7/2007 @ 9:34 pm

  9. “stuff,” phil?

    Darleen (187edc) — 11/7/2007 @ 9:43 pm

  10. phil, did you know that in France they call him Sarkozy l’Americaine

    Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, phil.

    Pablo (99243e) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:36 am

  11. 800 Iraqis, 36 US soldiers ded in October
    —
    4 milion refugees
    —
    How many dead since 2003?

    “Thank You for Peace”
    If it all ended tomorrow it would still be a disaster.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:37 am

  12. If it all ended tomorrow it would still be a disaster.

    Because if everything isn’t absolutely perfect, then it’s all absolutely horrible, eh blah? And leaving Iraq to jihadis and sectarian strife would produce so many fewer casualties and far better outcomes, right?

    Wait, were you talking about the Democrats’ electoral prospects? That makes more sense.

    Pablo (99243e) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:42 am

  13. blah – Original thoughts. Try it out sometime.

    4,000,000 refugees? Really. Source, and not The Nation’s estimate. An actual source. Certainly there are pictures of 4,000,000 refugees huddled together in the streets of Syria. No?

    BTW – Since that article was from May, maybe you missed that the refugees are going back to Iraq now. Quagmire! Failure!

    JD (49efd3) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:44 am

  14. If the article says the numbers are from the UN I thought it would be safe to assume the numbers were from the UN. You could have checked, but you didn’t. So I did.

    the numbers are from the UN

    What a putz

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:59 am

  15. “blah – Original thoughts. Try it out sometime.”

    The moon is made of blue cheese not green as most assume.
    The worlld is shaped like a cube, and made of jello.
    Is that better?

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 8:01 am

  16. So, blah, where are those 4,000,000 refugees hiding out?

    JD (49efd3) — 11/8/2007 @ 8:15 am

  17. What an incredibly idiotic statement. “If it all ended tomorrow it would still be a disaster.” That’s why it’s not ending tomorrow.

    Iraq is not a name in a newspaper or on the news, it’s a real place with real people who want and deserve the same kind of peace blah enjoys in his own community. All the reports make it clear that in the last six months – twelve months in Anbar – the Iraqis have finally started to take our side. They may not particularly like us being there, but they prefer US soldiers being in their neighborhoods to al-Qaeda death squads. US soldiers bring security and economic development, al-Qaeda brings nothing but their own barbarity and the promise of turning the areas they operate in into battlefields whenever US and Iraqi forces inevitably come after them.

    Starting this spring people like blah will disappear from view or will try to act like they never really wanted the US to fail and Iraq to collapse.

    chaos (9c54c6) — 11/8/2007 @ 8:18 am

  18. From IraqPundit :

    I know those who are wedded to the idea of a failed Iraq are calling me a deluded idiot and worse. But things are improving slowly. My relatives in Baghdad say there’s no comparison; things are much better than they were six months ago. They can visit friends in different areas and walk about the neighbourhood in the evening.

    Frankly, I don’t understand why so many mock us for wanting a future for Iraq. Is your hatred for George Bush so great that you prefer to see millions of civilians suffer just to prove him wrong?

    It really comes down to this: you are determined to see Iraq become a permanent hellhole because you hate Bush. And we are determined to see Iraq become a success, because we want to live.

    Yes, there appear to be those who are so determined.

    htom (412a17) — 11/8/2007 @ 8:45 am

  19. A new CEO takes the reins of a corporation with stock trading at $80. 5 years later it’s trading at $15, after hovering around $12 for most of the previous year. Many stockholders have been angry since the beginning. What do they say now?

    “If it all ended tomorrow…”

    If there’s peace tomorrow, it won’t change the fact that the war was a mistake, and the way it was handed far worse.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 9:17 am

  20. it won’t change the fact that the war was a mistake

    Tell that to the people who didn’t end up in a rape room with Saddam’s two boys…

    Scott Jacobs (91f7ff) — 11/8/2007 @ 9:19 am

  21. “Tell that to the people who didn’t end up in a rape room with Saddam’s two boys…”

    You want to do this again? I know you’ve seen the photograph before, so just ignore it. And read the reports. There are a lot of them.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 9:42 am

  22. And that “lot” doesn’t even come close to the numbers that were a reality in Iraq when Saddam was running things.

    For instance, average citizens are being hung from hooks in dark rooms and tortured to death with electrodes, knives, and other “fun” stuff.

    So take your moral “superiority” and kindly go away please.

    Scott Jacobs (91f7ff) — 11/8/2007 @ 9:46 am

  23. I guess you didn’t click the link, because your comment makes no sense. And my moral superiority at least when it comes to you kiddo, is well earned,

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 9:58 am

  24. WHy would I follow a link from someone who consistantly misrepresents their links?

    Now I know who you remind me of.

    AF.

    Scott Jacobs (91f7ff) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:11 am

  25. US and British support was about fifty times smaller than Russian support, and five to ten times smaller than French support.

    To blah, Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand is worse than the Warsaw Pact giving him hundreds of tanks and other equipment and supplies that he used to start two unprovoked wars. Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand is worse than France building the reactor at Osirak for Saddam. Literally. I don’t think I am misrepresenting the way he thinks at all.

    chaos (9c54c6) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:24 am

  26. “someone who consistantly misrepresents their links”
    You and a couple of other idiots keep accusing me of that, but you never back it up with anything. Tell me what I misrepresent? Maybe I made a mistke 2 months ago [that’s maybe- I’d be curious what you come up with] and now you repeat that accusation like its some sort of kiddie mantra.
    Or maybe the links I post don’t make the arguments you think I’m making. That could be an explanation. But then maybe your assumptions are the problem.
    You know how to type. Learn to read.
    To which you reply:
    “nya nay, can’t make me!”

    all too true.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:30 am

  27. “Saddam Hussein’s hand is worse than the Warsaw Pact giving him hundreds of tanks and other equipment and supplies that he used to start two unprovoked wars.”

    And we gave him computers. Lots of them.
    One of those wars would be against Iran, right? And we encouraged him in that one.
    Again: read.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:33 am

  28. Aggressive ignorance on display for all to see …

    JD (0c5b67) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:37 am

  29. “Aggressive ignorance on display for all to see …”

    Data please; sources, something..,
    anything

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:43 am

  30. Data please; sources, something..,
    anything

    Almost every post you’re ever made.

    I’m sure you’re a hit on the moonbat blogs, though…

    Scott Jacobs (91f7ff) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:46 am

  31. Computers, worse than T-72s.

    Oh no, we encouraged one nasty government in its war against another nasty government! It’s almost like you don’t enjoy it when the enemies of the United States mix it up with each other instead of trying it with us. Hell, Iran did, and we beat the crap out of their navy in ’88.

    Try reading this. Why is Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand relevant? Saddam Hussein was bad, so it was bad to deal with him. Well, obviously, in the intervening 20 years, Donald Rumsfeld changed his mind, didn’t he? Acknowledged that Saddam was bad and we should take him out, not help him remain in power.

    Meanwhile, in 2003, Russia and China and France continued their only very briefly interrupted (by the Persian Gulf War) support of Saddamism. The United States supported Saddam in a war against Iran for half a decade while Russia and France and China gave him money and tanks for 20 years until the sanctions and then after did their damnedest to get the sanctions lifted. Russia kept selling weapons to Iraq anyway during the period of the sanctions regime.

    So, to you, the US is worse for aiding a bad regime for the purpose of harming another bad regime than Russia is for giving Saddam hundreds of tanks and other weapons to do whatever the hell he wanted with, worse than France for building a nuclear reactor for Saddam, and Russia, France, and China trying to get sanctions lifted – which would have ensured the survival of the regime indefinitely.

    You’re either anti-American, an idiot, or your moral compass is on fucking backwards blah.

    chaos (9c54c6) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:47 am

  32. “Why is Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand relevant?”

    I said ignore the photograph since eveyone know about it, and read the papers. There’s a long history there, of policies I did not support and still refuse to support: vis-a-vis Pakistan for example, or Egypt. We’ve supported democracy in none of these places any more than we did in Iran, where we helped to overthrow elected government.

    You yell at me, knowing little and refusing to learn.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 10:55 am

  33. Global policy
    “Iraq’s parliament has called for a timetable for withdrawal of Coalition forces from the country. In a letter to the UN Security Council, it has denounced as “unconstitutional” and “unilateral” any move by the al-Maliki cabinet to request a renewed mandate by the Council for the so-called multi-national force. The parliamentarians taking this position include Shias, Sunnis, seculars and other blocs, in an alliance that unites formerly disparate sectarian groups. The parliament’s action reflects the views of 70-80 percent of Iraqis.”

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 11:01 am

  34. “You yell at me, knowing little and refusing to learn.”

    Everybody must recognize that only blah really understands what is really going on in the world. Everyone else are a bunch of worthless retards who refuse to learn.

    Let us all pray for blah who carries the burden of this knowledge on his shoulders. It must truly be lonely to be blah.

    daleyrocks (906622) — 11/8/2007 @ 12:44 pm

  35. “I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you!”

    I should lay off the playground analogies, but it’s so obviously your level of engagement with the world.
    And Pat’s the father whose kids can do no wrong.
    Ok you’re an expert. You’re a genius. I defer to your opinions about everything you’ve ever wanted to be right about. You’re the decider now. I vote for you to be the next pilot of the space shuttle.

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 1:29 pm

  36. https://patterico.com/2007/11/07/thank-you-for-peace/#comment-298029

    You didn’t respond to what I said, twit. I’ll just assume you have conceded.

    chaos (9c54c6) — 11/8/2007 @ 2:29 pm

  37. Apparently Twit thinks we should have allowed states to fall into Soviet orbit rather than ours based on some kind of idiotic moral judgment of the type that he is so fond of making. Blah would rather have had nations like Pakistan and Egypt remain in the Soviet camp or go in the Soviet camp instead of stick with us.

    Of course, I bet in 2003 Twit was sneering at the idea that Iraqis deserved liberation and democracy like anyone else.

    It’d be more pathetic than funny if Twit didn’t actually try to present himself as more knowledgeable and reasonable and simply trying to educate us. Educate us in what? How to have a spineless foreign policy and how to hold your own country to a negative double standard? I’ll pass on your “education,” Twit.

    chaos (9c54c6) — 11/8/2007 @ 2:33 pm

  38. “You’re either anti-American, an idiot, or your moral compass is on fucking backwards”
    Was that a question?

    Or do you mean the question I answered before you even asked it

    Yours truly @ #21- “I know you’ve seen the photograph before, so just ignore it. And read the reports. There are a lot of them.“

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 2:39 pm

  39. Life would be so much better in Iraq if only Saddam were still in charge, eh blah?

    Unless you’re a Kurd, or a Marsh Arab, or you have a desire to speak your mind, and maybe pick someone to vote for…

    Pablo (99243e) — 11/8/2007 @ 6:30 pm

  40. blah’s technique is to pretend that memes discredited more than half a decade ago are still relevant.

    Its like blah lacks any long term memory.

    SPQR (6c18fd) — 11/8/2007 @ 6:58 pm

  41. Thanks for the Memories

    blah (fb88b3) — 11/8/2007 @ 6:59 pm

  42. Sheesh, more nonsense and driveby links from blah

    SPQR (6c18fd) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:03 pm

  43. I’m telling you, he’s the second coming of AF…

    Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:42 pm

  44. I think blah is the first coming of AF.

    SPQR (6c18fd) — 11/8/2007 @ 7:44 pm

  45. Pablo– or if you’re a woman who objects to be raped to death by the dictator’s sons….

    Foxfier (94990a) — 11/8/2007 @ 8:21 pm

  46. I do not care if he is coming for the first time or the second time. Just make him stop.

    JD (49efd3) — 11/8/2007 @ 9:15 pm


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