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Got any details about what rocket scientist approved bail for Mr. Hsu?

A fugitive from justice for 15 years, and he wasn’t remanded?

Don’t any of these people (judge and/or prosecutor) know what happened in 1996, and how many of those involved fled the jurisdiction of the US Courts?

Once again, 99% of lawyers (present company excepted) give the other 1% a bad name.

Why do we try?

Another Drew (8018ee) — 9/5/2007 @ 5:38 pm

Excuse me,
My clock is on DST.

Another Drew (8018ee) — 9/5/2007 @ 5:39 pm

If the U.S. military can misplace 6 nuclear warheads, then it’s not hard to believe a court could misplace one businessman.

alphie (99bc18) — 9/5/2007 @ 5:55 pm

…and the beat goes on:
‘Freak Lawyer’
http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-eak0831,0,1816322.story

Another Drew (8018ee) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:03 pm

Maybe Mr. Hsu read Patterico’s Deport the Criminals First series and thought it was a good idea.

After the bail hearing, the WSJ reported that Hsu’s attorney said his $2M bail could be used for restitution. That sounds to me like Hsu and his attorney knew all along he was going to forfeit his bond, and not showing up for court is the best way I know to forfeit bond.

DRJ (2afbca) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:04 pm

Sigh!

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:04 pm

Alphie:
When nuclear devices are placed into a B-52, as they have been on a daily basis since this aircraft went operational in the 1950’s, they are not mis-placed. They are exactly where they are needed to be.
This was a story about nothing…another Seinfeld moment of our times.

Another Drew (8018ee) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:06 pm

To be fair to the MSM, the story is on the front page of the LA Times website.

adams (40d1a3) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:11 pm

Sure it is AD.

That’s why the Air Force already booted one officer over this matter. Look for the Joint Chiefs to be grilled on this at the same time Patreaus is askin’ for another $200 billion for his social experiment in Iraq.

How embarrassing.

WLS,

The Hsu failing to appear story appeared on the front page of the New York Times.

Y’all might want to actually check the “MSM” before ya smear ’em.

alphie (99bc18) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:13 pm

Another Drew–the version I heard placed the emphasis not on the fact that the warheads were on board, but on the fact that apparently no one among the crew or at the base the flight originated from knew the warhead were there. IOW, the problem is not that the weapons should not have been on board but that those responsible for keeping track of the weapons did not do so. Of course this did not stop the anchorman from assuring us that “no civilians were ever in danger”

kishnevi (e43ff2) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:25 pm

Life ain’t easy for a boy named Hsu!

dchamil (0f5ebd) — 9/5/2007 @ 6:46 pm

Maybe the chinese paid off the air force crew with the nukes, just like they are buying Hillary.

red (9e9332) — 9/5/2007 @ 7:51 pm

kishnevi said —Of course this did not stop the anchorman from assuring us that “no civilians were ever in danger”

Of course many on the left who know nothing about military matters are ignorant of the fact that nukes are flown from custodial sites all around the world back to CONUS for maintenance ROUTINELY. –Have been for DECADES with no danger.

red (9e9332) — 9/5/2007 @ 7:54 pm

i’m in hong kong. nyah, nyah, nyah!

norman hsu (aa2f49) — 9/5/2007 @ 8:16 pm

Impersonation is juvenile.

Robin Roberts (6c18fd) — 9/5/2007 @ 8:21 pm

The Hsu failing to appear story appeared on the front page of the New York Times.

Of course. The house organ of the Democratic Party wanted to spread the good news to the faithful as soon as possible.

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/5/2007 @ 8:27 pm

The story in the LA Times that adams refers to in comment 8 is kind of interesting. To its credit, the paper does manage to identify him as a “Democratic” donor early and often. Cynics like me assumed that he would be identified as a “political” donor who of course had given to both parties because he had mailed a $50 check to an obscure GOP congressional candidate back in 1994 or something like that. The end of the story at least raises the possibility that this is not a particularly good thing for Sen. Clinton.

I would note, however, that there are no quotes from any Republicans in the piece — not the RNC, not any conservative bloggers, nothing. I can’t help but believe that if this were a fugitive GOP donor the second paragraph would have read as follows:

DNC Chairman Howard Dean labasted the Romney/McCain/Thompson/Giuliani campaign for accepting the tainted money, asserting that “this is just another example of how the Republicans bend, twist, and break the rules in order to cheat the American family and extend their pointless venture in Iraq. . .”

It will be interesting to see how much follow-up there is on this story in terms of reviving past Clinton problems with tainted money from Asian-American donors. I will also breathlessly await all the big newspaper editorial boards to call upon the Clinton campaign to release the names of the donors whose money Mr. Hsu was bundling.

JVW (6a3590) — 9/5/2007 @ 8:43 pm

That’s it, nk.

Is this the worst week the religious right has had since last November or what?

Buck up, things can only get better!

alphie (99bc18) — 9/5/2007 @ 8:43 pm

OT: re: The Bombs on the B-52.

There was no real danger (read as no possibility of a nuclear detonation) from flying these weapons from ND to LA. Nuclear weapons won’t detonate in this type of situation, even had they been dropped or launched. They need to be armed first, and that requires a specific series of actions, including an authorization code, which is received from outside sources before they are enabled for detonation.

Firing the munitions squadron commander is the least that could happen. I would also expect that the bomb wing commander, the deputy commanders for operations and for maintenance, and perhaps several others will likely see their careers “sharply curtailed” to say the least. This is a mistake that should never have happen.

Remember that we used to routinely fly nuclear weapons aboard military aircraft, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This was back in the early cold war days when we had continuous airborne alert. We even had aircraft crash with these weapons aboard. And they did not detonate. There was no danger of a nuclear explosion in this incident.

{20 years – USAF, 16 in Strategic Air Command, more time on nuclear alert that I care to think about, and a couple of years on the Airborne Command Post. I know a little something about the subject.}

Bill M (8088c8) — 9/5/2007 @ 9:49 pm

Alphie — I knew they would all carry it. My comment was sarcastic.

Didn’t I post a link to the freaking SF Chronicle??????????

wls (fb8809) — 9/5/2007 @ 9:58 pm

It’s good to know you take a wide stance on the “MSM” WLS.

I’d hate to think you were one of “them.”

alphie (99bc18) — 9/5/2007 @ 10:06 pm

It takes a village of donors to run a presidential campaign these days. In Hillary’s case, a Potemkin Village.

daleyrocks (906622) — 9/5/2007 @ 11:13 pm

I noticed by accident that the Sacramento Bee still has yet to mention the names Norman or Hsu in the hardcopy paper they deliver to the door.
He has been mentioned online.
I guess the Bee editors don’t think this story is ink worthy.

papertiger (b40a74) — 9/6/2007 @ 12:18 am

What’s the dirt on Judge H. James Ellis?
IS there any?
No way Hsu gets bail anywhere on Earth besides
California Bay Area.

Ellis has to be dirty.

papertiger (b40a74) — 9/6/2007 @ 12:23 am

What’s the dirt on Judge H. James Ellis?
IS there any?
No way Hsu gets bail anywhere on Earth besides
California Bay Area.

papertiger (b40a74) — 9/6/2007 @ 12:23 am

We don’t know where Hsu is, but Hillary is in Hsu’s pocket.

Perfect Sense (6e894f) — 9/6/2007 @ 1:42 am

…it’s not hard to believe a court could misplace one businessman.

The court, located in Democrat Occupied Bay Area, did not “misplace” Hsu, Hsu was handcuffed in court and after posting bail, the court released the fugitive Democrat.

Alphie swings an misses again!

Perfect Sense (6e894f) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:43 am

Haha, PS,

I like “Democrat Occupied Bay Area.”

Speaking of swindlers on the lam, whatever happened to Ahmed Chalabi?

Last I heard, Bush had put him in charge of Iraq’s oil revenue.

alphie (99bc18) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:58 am

Alphie,
When will the Democrat controlled Senate and the Democrat controlled House start its investigations of Hsu’s donations to Democrats?

Perfect Sense (6e894f) — 9/6/2007 @ 4:03 am

DNC Chairman Howard Dean labasted the Romney/McCain/Thompson/Giuliani campaign for accepting the tainted money, asserting that “this is just another example of how the Republicans bend, twist, and break the rules in order to cheat the American family and extend their pointless venture in Iraq. . .

Considering that Hillary and Obama have taken money from him. Large amounts too – “All receipts” tally to $174,000 for Hillary ($22,600 from just Hsu), and $31,500 for Obama ($7,000 solely from Hsu).

Lets not forget Teddy, Biden, Feinstein, and Reed.

Dean really expects this to never go anywhere, doesn’t he. That the media will just run a story or two, that the media will do zero actual digging, and it will all go away…

Sadly, he’s probably right…

Scott Jacobs (425810) — 9/6/2007 @ 5:24 am

Scott – He is exactly right. All historical evidence shows that they will turn a blind eye to this, or downplay it as part of the overall problems with the system.

JD (868cea) — 9/6/2007 @ 5:45 am

goodness… little alp is ankle biting in an attempt to threadjack

haven’t seen you lately at PW, alpee. Got spanked too much?

OT I wonder how many other straw donors are in the Clinton camp. Considering the mass exit to other countries the first go around, a good place to gather info on the Clinton’s collaborators might be to stake out the international terminals at the airports.

No, I don’t think this calls for another round of so-called “reform” … reform gets us this kind of “bundling” and “straw donors”

All that should be our concern is full and complete transparency on who/what/where/when/how much is given to any particular candidate.

Darleen (187edc) — 9/6/2007 @ 5:51 am

And alphie has successfully threadjacked again, I thought this was a post on Hsu. I must have missed the nuclear links.

Methinks someone should get their own blog.

Techie (c003f1) — 9/6/2007 @ 7:03 am

Its really sad when you see alpha jackasses like HA HA Alphie defending such a corrupt party. When the GOP employs such people you know that its leaders not only have sold their souls to the devil but they have sunk into vegetative states as well.

The dhimmiecrats their motto is “Everythings for sale at Bargain prices!”

Sale to be conducted by Crazy HA HA ALphie!

Thomas Jackson (bf83e0) — 9/6/2007 @ 7:26 am

Is this the same ‘alphie’ that Michael Totten banned from his site last night? For the second time, evidently. This time ‘alphie’ was posting under the name ‘e’, but MJT tracked it back and rolled on the ban.

allan (40c2d1) — 9/6/2007 @ 8:30 am

Yes.

Christoph (92b8f7) — 9/6/2007 @ 8:32 am

Does anybody think there’s a chance Hsu is in the Witness Protection Program?

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/6/2007 @ 8:52 am

Do you?

nk, please answer that question independently of my next link.

I found this interesting.

Christoph (92b8f7) — 9/6/2007 @ 8:56 am

Christoph,

My best guess is that Hsu is a mid-level racketeer — bagman, frontman and money launderer — most likely bankrolled by the ChiCom government, whose life may very well be in danger for fear that he will spill the beans. News reports this past week indicate that the FBI has stepped into the case. The article WLS links shows a certain je ne sais quois disingenuousness in his attorneys not knowing where he is and what he is doing which is very unusual for ethical and competent lawyers who bailed him out with two million dollars. They may know more than they are saying and feel confident that they are not breaching the law by hiding certain things. So I’m speculating along these lines.

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/6/2007 @ 9:06 am

P.S.

I read the Willey story, too. Whether Hillary has anything to do with it will be harder to prove than the existence of intelligent life on Antares.

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/6/2007 @ 9:08 am

I’m doubtful Hillary had anything to do with it.

And as far as Chu goes, I say Chinese government involvement. Again. With the Clintons benefiting.

Christoph (92b8f7) — 9/6/2007 @ 9:13 am

NK,

Whether it’s correct or not, I like your comment 39. There is something fishy about what Hsu’s attorney has been saying.

DRJ (2afbca) — 9/6/2007 @ 10:24 am

Is this the same ‘alphie’ that Michael Totten banned from his site last night? For the second time, evidently. This time ‘alphie’ was posting under the name ‘e’, but MJT tracked it back and rolled on the ban.

I read Totten now and again and there was a good discussion on Iran going on a few days ago that ‘e’ tried to hijack with some success. I am surprised it went on as long as it did. His style is unmistakable.

Just Passing Through (cb6c8d) — 9/6/2007 @ 12:04 pm

And alphie has successfully threadjacked again, I thought this was a post on Hsu. I must have missed the nuclear links.

Methinks someone should get their own blog.

That’s the funny thing, Techie, Staunch Brayer has his own blog.

haven’t seen you lately at PW, alpee. Got spanked too much?

I’d love to see how Goldstein replied to Staunch Brayer’s childish remarks, Darleen.

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 1:46 pm

Drudge has teaser but he does not always deliver.

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/6/2007 @ 1:52 pm

All that should be our concern is full and complete transparency on who/what/where/when/how much is given to any particular candidate.

Amen, Darleen.

I’ve long maintained that all campaign contributions should be ‘hard money’: anyone can give any amount to any candidate. Require by law a list of all donations that are over a certain amount (say $200) made available to the general public. All would know who gave what to whom.

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 1:55 pm

I’d love to see how Goldstein replied to Staunch Brayer’s childish remarks, Darleen.

Banned him eventually. Last spring sometime. The thunderous applause nearly bought down the house.

It requires registration to put in your two cents so I don’t follow the blog but I think he was recently given the boot at Jules Crittendon also.

Just Passing Through (cb6c8d) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:01 pm

Banned him eventually.

I was talking about the comments Jeff made before Staunch Brayer was banned.

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:12 pm

Haha, JPT,

I think I’ve been banned from almost every Pajamas Media site in the past few years.

Michael Totten banned me just this morning.

Patterico at least has clear rules about what you can and can’t say, an oasis of reason, as it were.

alphie (99bc18) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:16 pm

There is a way to de facto ban the moron and that’s to ignore any comment he makes off-topic.

nk (a6ecc6) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:28 pm

Alphie gets banned for the same reason everywhere he goes. Trolling, thread hijacking and similar disruptive behavior.

Robin Roberts (6c18fd) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:30 pm

I was talking about the comments Jeff made before Staunch Brayer was banned.

Bemused tolerance from Jeff for the most part if I recall. Derisive put downs from the rest of the commenters. Don’t recall the exact circumstances of the final chop but I think Jeff was just tired of devoting bandwidth to his nonsense.

Just Passing Through (cb6c8d) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:32 pm

I think I’ve been banned from almost every Pajamas Media site in the past few years.

A matter of great pride when hobnobbing with the hoi polloi left I’m sure.

Michael Totten banned me just this morning.

For the second time. Pickings must be getting slim for you.

Patterico at least has clear rules about what you can and can’t say, an oasis of reason, as it were.

As Robin points out it’s not what you say. Your positions and arguments are laughable. Certainly devoid of much reasoning. It’s your intent in saying it. Hijack and/or simply disrupt discussions. I doubt that’s within Mr. Patterico’s rule set.

Just Passing Through (cb6c8d) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:44 pm

Well, JPT,

I started posting on right-wing blogs back when Bush had a 90% approval rating and the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress.

My arguments have stayed pretty much the same over the years:

Nobody is gonna buy this crap for long.

I think I’ve been proved right.

alphie (99bc18) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:51 pm

I think I’ve been banned from almost every Pajamas Media site in the past few years.

A merciful act by the owners of those site.

Your writing, so devoid of facts, ethics, logic or reason, is its own punishment, Staunch Brayer. Which is why I hope Patterico doesn’t ban you…yet.

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 2:53 pm

My arguments have stayed pretty much the same over the years:

Nobody is gonna buy this crap for long.

I think I’ve been proved right.

Now this is rich. You’ve argued the same way for years against what you always knew no one will buy for long. And are still making the same arguments years later against what nobody was supposed to buy for long.

And you’ve been proven right.

Just Passing Through (cb6c8d) — 9/6/2007 @ 3:10 pm

I started posting on right-wing blogs back when Bush had a 90% approval rating and the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress.

My arguments have stayed pretty much the same over the years:

Nobody is gonna buy this crap for long.

I think I’ve been proved right.

Well, Mr. All-Seeing-All-Knowing-Proven-Right Staunch Brayer, where is Norman Hsu? Why did he run if he isn’t guilty?

And since you are so overwhelmingly brilliant, do it without mentioning any elected Republican or right-wing blogs, any scandals attributed to the Right.

I dare you.

Anything else will be you once again moonbraying on that lonely, dark, grassy hill.

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 3:13 pm

I’m doing what I should never do. Helping disrupt a thread. Have at it alph.

Just Passing Through (cb6c8d) — 9/6/2007 @ 3:14 pm

Now this is rich. You’ve argued the same way for years against what you always knew no one will buy for long. And are still making the same arguments years later against what nobody was supposed to buy for long.

JPT, you’ve just defined Staunch Brayer as insane. 🙂

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 3:19 pm

Mr Jacobs wrote:

Dean really expects this to never go anywhere, doesn’t he. That the media will just run a story or two, that the media will do zero actual digging, and it will all go away…

Sadly, he’s probably right…

Well, of course it won’t! After all, what’s a little thing like the leading Democrats receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from a foreigner and a fugitive, when a Republican senator was trolling public restrooms!

Dana (556f76) — 9/6/2007 @ 4:07 pm

Alphie wrote:

I think I’ve been banned from almost every Pajamas Media site in the past few years.

Michael Totten banned me just this morning.

Patterico at least has clear rules about what you can and can’t say, an oasis of reason, as it were.

Oh, good grief, to have been banned by that many people puts you in the company of Deb Frisch — and no, that isn’t a compliment.

Dana (556f76) — 9/6/2007 @ 4:11 pm

Must we invoke that woman’s name, Dana?

Paul (5efd01) — 9/6/2007 @ 4:18 pm

I think Skye of Midnight Blue (a Philadelphia blogger) asked the right question: Has anyone looked in the Clinton compound in New York?

Dana (556f76) — 9/6/2007 @ 4:49 pm

Paul, from that comment, you’d think I mentioned Hillary Clinton! 🙂

Dana (556f76) — 9/6/2007 @ 4:50 pm

Bill M, #19…
Thanks for the clarification.
I’ve got to think though, that if Curt LeMay was still running SAC, the guys who would get the worst reaming would be the PA blabbermouths. This was a complete non-story.
“We cannot confirm or deny that B-52’s carry nuclear weapons.”

Another Drew (8018ee) — 9/6/2007 @ 5:02 pm

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