Rick Ellensburg: Kirsten Powers Is a “Right-Wing Pundit”
Dishonest link, or insult? You be the judge.
Ellison says:
Right-wing pundits this week spent several days expressing such intense outrage over the outing by Mike Rogers, claiming that the conduct of this single, obscure blogger somehow shows how depraved and evil The Democratic Party itself is.
The link for the word “outrage” goes to a post at Kirsten Powers’s blog.
In other words, Ellensburg/Ellers/Ellison/Greenwald is calling Kirsten Powers a “right-wing pundit.”
Well, if Glenn Greenwald says it, it must be true. After all, he’s never misrepresented links before . . .
Allah has been trying to accomplish KP’s conversion for months now. Looks like it’s finally complete.
C’mon, Pat, give us a link.
Dan Collins (1e3b05) — 10/21/2006 @ 4:01 pmI wrote a post on my site today that you might be interested in. A mysterious package was found in Kansas City Friday. It had what may have been Arabic writing inside.
Check it out on my site.
TruthProbe
Tom Proebsting (c213e3) — 10/21/2006 @ 4:10 pmTruthProbe, huh? Any polyps?
Dan Collins (1e3b05) — 10/21/2006 @ 4:12 pmAlicublog just called me a conservative, two days after I announced I’m voting for a Democratic Congress next month. That doesn’t mean you or anyone else gets to call me a “liberal,” ’cause I’m sure not one of them either.
Michael J. Totten (cdc448) — 10/21/2006 @ 4:41 pmYou don’t tell me what I “get” to call you.
The Democratic Party is at or as near to far left as they have ever been. You’re voting for them.
So I’m calling you a liberal. Not that I know much about you more than reading your blog a couple times, but to piss you off.
If you’re not a liberal, explain why.
Incidentally, liberals in the philosophical sense aren’t the problem. I’m a classical liberal in many ways.
But the hard leftists you would put in power in the House of Representatives are not classic liberals.
Christoph (9824e6) — 10/21/2006 @ 7:12 pmAll I know is that Kirsten is hot beyond belief; c’mon you all are thinking it!!! đ
not-masha (031f40) — 10/21/2006 @ 7:23 pmShe’s a lovely looking later, but not to take a thing away from her, no more than Mary Katherine Ham or many other women.
Michelle Malkin is pretty, La Shawn Barber is hot, when one counts internal qualities like character, courage, and forthrightness along with her generally cute instead of gorgeous looks.
If single, would I go for her?
Perhaps, but I’d pursue La Shawn Barber even quicker. Again, not to take one thing away from Kirsten Powers whom I like (to listen to and read).
Just saying that many women and many different qualities are ‘hot beyond belief’. Looks are one of them, but only one. And many different types of female looks work for me. For character, I’m far more picky.
And I have to like a woman before I really care what she looks like. Oh, when I walk to work in the morning (“buttocks time” as I describe it to my girlfriend) I notice… but I have no time for gorgeous women with no brains and less heart.
Kirsten has both brains and heart so that’s not my point. Just that there are many different types of qualities as important as being blonde and hot… which she is.
Christoph (9824e6) — 10/21/2006 @ 7:43 pm*lovely looking lady
Christoph (9824e6) — 10/21/2006 @ 7:43 pmWhen I see Kirsten Powers I think: “hubba,hubba.” If she were really a conservative, I think that I’d just be walking around, slack-jawed and drooling.
Hoystory (de9da0) — 10/21/2006 @ 8:31 pmChristoph: So Iâm calling you a liberal. Not that I know much about you more than reading your blog a couple times, but to piss you off.
Whatever, buddy. You have failed to piss me off. Nice try, though.
I wasn’t trying to be combative by saying not to call me a liberal. Just trying to avoid being put in other people’s boxes. I think Patterico gets what I’m talking about if I read his main post correctly.
On a scale of 1-100, 1 being farthest left and 100 being farthest right, I’m at about 48 or 49. I voted for Bush last time and I’m voting for Democrats this time.
If I had idiot leftists in my voting district I would vote for Republicans. But I don’t. So I’m won’t. I would vote against Nancy Pelosi if I could. But I can’t.
Anyway, it is pretty funny how some people like me and Kirstin Powers can be both right-wing pundits and left-wing pundits at the same time. We live two lives at once in alternate universes, apparently. Cool for us.
Michael J. Totten (cdc448) — 10/21/2006 @ 8:52 pmMichael J says:
Voting for the dems is a vote FOR pelosi đ so technically you can vote against her become SoH
LordNazh (d282eb) — 10/21/2006 @ 9:20 pmMichael Trotten, for what it’s worth I’m a fan of you and your blog. Mostly of you, because I haven’t read the blog much.
But… when you tell people what conclusions they are or are not allowed to have (even in jest), don’t be surprised if this rubs them the wrong way and they respond to that.
I took a test that gave results almost exactly equal to what I would have predicted and the test said I was center-right. So maybe a 60-70. Patterico and especially Justine Levine will attest that I often take issue with them on this or that.
What I’m saying is that if you want to make the case that you’re middle of the road then by all means. But to tell people they can’t conclude you’re left or right is asking them to.
I didn’t leave my comment in anger. It was mild vexation at best as well as my desire to make that point.
Christoph (9824e6) — 10/21/2006 @ 9:24 pmLeftists have been calling anyone that doesnât agree with them on something âright wingâ for over 75 years⌠old hat. Heck, itâs why we have such a big âright wingâ in the US. A lot of people who got called it for so long just adopted the term / took ownership of it even though it didnât really applyâŚ. The majority of national review reading âright wingersâ would be Liberals in the Euro political spectrumâŚ.
Thomas (0da984) — 10/21/2006 @ 11:12 pmYes, leftist calling us right wingers just because we don’t agree with them is dumb. Bloody leftists.
Christoph (9824e6) — 10/21/2006 @ 11:15 pmNo problem, Christoph.
Michael J. Totten (cdc448) — 10/22/2006 @ 1:48 amIf anyone has read Michael’s blog (and if you have not you should), I think it’s safe to say he is not a ‘liberal’ in the Marxist sense of the word. But Michael I do think too much is at stake to vote Democratic in ’06. Unless you want the distractions of moronic impeachment hearings (do they *really* want Cheney to be President). Or do you want funding of Hamas or some sort of quixotic Hamas/Fatah fusion government? Or a 1975-esque abandonment of Iraq? Or soft-peddling to Bashar Assad. Or cowardice in the face of Iranian imperialism? Think I’m overreacting? That’s the European model, and the Democrats strike me as desperate to emulate the European model on both foreign and domestic policy.
Greenwald should be ignored. He is living proof that untreated rabies is not necessarily fatal in humans.
Tryptich (7aaab4) — 10/22/2006 @ 5:58 amWhat have happened to the moderates? Even more what has happened to people respecting others with a different opinion ?
Gracelynn (a5d1aa) — 10/22/2006 @ 5:59 amI learned in gradeschool that we should respect others that were different from us. Now it seems we should bash and discredited anyone that doesn’t agree with my opinion. I am sick to death of americans becoming thugs in the cause of having the “higher moral ground”.
I realize it simple but why have manners and respect left politics?
All of Greenwald’s hypocrisy examples (at least those I bothered to scroll through) involved marital infidelity – a time-honored (if not particularly savory) target in political campaigns. But Rogers outed Craig for alleged homosexuality, not infidelity.
Given Greenwald’s “logical” defense, are we to assume that he (Greenwald) regards homosexuality to be the moral equivalent of infidelity?
It’s just striking to me that after three decades of consciousness-raising concerning gays et al., gays now advocate the use of sexual orientation as a political weapon. That’s a two-edged sword they’ll regret having drawn.
geoff (de0224) — 10/22/2006 @ 6:18 amI have the impression — and that’s all it is, a vague sense — that most of the really foul language is coming from academics, mostly from people who are fairly low on the academic totem pole.
Does anybody have any evidence for or against this notion? I’m not wedded to the idea.
I don’t get to directly associate with that stratum much any more, so I can’t even offer anecdotes of what they might be thinking.
Regards,
Ric Locke (70fdc4) — 10/22/2006 @ 6:33 amRic
So Patterico, do you think Ellison is truly clueless, or is he just that dishonest?
Michael, I havenât seen the right attack you as caustically as has the left. But then, I’m in the 48-58 range of your political spectrum and I may have missed it. I get the sense that when Ellison and the like try pushing you, Althouse, Powers, and the great mass of centrist America, they succeed in not moving that body one millimeter to the right, rather moving themselves further to the left.
bains (473fa5) — 10/22/2006 @ 7:50 amSo Patterico, do you think Ellison is truly clueless, or is he just that dishonest?
I don’t think he’s clueless. I think it’s either dishonest, or that he was trying to insult Powers, whom he had portrayed in a previous post as a lapdog for the conservatives at Fox News.
As to which it is, I have no idea. Someone should ask him.
Patterico (de0616) — 10/22/2006 @ 8:12 amSunday Funnies…
Church and State: Harold Ford Jr. – “Deja Gore”
Stop The ACLU (aa6604) — 10/22/2006 @ 9:18 amPatterico shows us how one becomes a right wing pundit.
Dan Collins encounters the sock puppet army
Ace announces Haiku Contest Winners
The Chatterbox Chronicles shares some good funnies.
I…
“Dice are rolling, the knives are out..”
First it was Joe Liebermann and now it’s Kersten Powers and Jane Harman.
The totalitarians are coming, and they aren’t taking prisoners and they don’t give a damn about collateral damage.
Black Jack (66a365) — 10/22/2006 @ 9:56 amThen dishonest… and incredibly petty.
bains (473fa5) — 10/22/2006 @ 10:30 amI guess this shouldn’t surprise me.
After all, Senators read him.
bains: Michael, I havenât seen the right attack you as caustically as has the left.
Oh, the left is definitely more caustic in general. Even Nation magazine assistant editor and anti-war leftist Marc Cooper is attacked by other leftists as a “cruise missile liberal” and even, hilariously, as a “neocon.” You can’t win with these people, and there clearly is no point even trying.
Michael J. Totten (cdc448) — 10/22/2006 @ 11:34 amAs I (TLB) pointed out here a while back, I had no idea who this Glenn person was until I read about him here or at xrlq. And, I still don’t care.
Meanwhile, the LAT continues their full frontal assault on the truth, and it would be nice if this site could concentrate on that much more influential source, such as by discussing the “Food_Stamps_in_Four_Hours” or Tan_Nguyen stories. Both of those involved the same reporter.
Specifically regarding the latter case, the AP, LAT, and others have given their own “legal analysis”, but none of them have actually quoted legal experts on what laws might have been broken. And, in the initial reports, none of them considered the possibility that the letter might have been a joe_job.
Submit ToughQuestions For Politicians (05c6a0) — 10/22/2006 @ 1:24 pm“The Democratic Party is at or as near to far left as they have ever been.”
Ridiculous. I’m not a big fan of today’s DP, but this is absurd.
They may be more “PC” than ever before, but economically leftist? “Leftist” in the traditional socialist/Marxist sense? It just ain’t so.
Knemon (8e3456) — 10/22/2006 @ 3:10 pmCF: Lincoln Chafee, who has been subjected to truly nasty attacks from conservatives.
jpe (984d46) — 10/22/2006 @ 4:06 pm“They may be more âPCâ than ever before, but economically leftist?”
Many Dem economic policies are about as corporatist as the current GOP. However, they make up for it on those “PC” issues, where they’re quite Gramscian.
Submit ToughQuestions For Politicians (05c6a0) — 10/22/2006 @ 8:12 pmYeah, Mike, you take a lot of criticism from the left on your blog. They were making speeches about how they were never going to donate to you again after declaring that you’d vote democratic the other day.
Oh wait.
glasnost (29d6e1) — 10/22/2006 @ 9:06 pmI didn’t say I get crap from the right, Glasnost. I get if from both sides. Mostly from the left, though. (I’m not talking about you.)
Michael J. Totten (cdc448) — 10/22/2006 @ 9:13 pmUh, make that “I didn’t say I didn’t get crap” in the comment above…
Michael J. Totten (cdc448) — 10/22/2006 @ 9:14 pmComment by Christoph â 10/21/2006 @ 11:15 pm
“Yes, leftist calling us right wingers just because we donât agree with them is dumb. Bloody leftists.”
If you think there is some big irony there, you just have not thought the issue through. Leftist (who didn’t mind calling themselves that) popularized the use of the left-right spectrum in the US in my opinion. So, whatâs wrong with my calling them leftists?
The problem was, when they did so they tweaked the spectrum to remove the center… which is self serving if you think anyone who is not with you is right wing… In Europe you have a left, right, AND liberal / libertarian.
Thomas (0da984) — 10/22/2006 @ 11:49 pmComment by jpe â 10/22/2006 @ 4:06 pm
“CF: Lincoln Chafee, who has been subjected to truly nasty attacks from conservatives.”
I’m not talking about who is nastier. I’m just talking about the history of the left right spectrum in the US. There are pleanty of as*es on the conservative side.
Thomas (0da984) — 10/23/2006 @ 12:00 amMethinks most of you have fudged the curve on the spectrum to whatever side you happen to be on. I remember my high school poli sci class where the line was drawn as a circle, and communism and fascism is where the circle met. Best diagram of political philosophies I’ve ever seen. If you veer too hard either way you’re venturing into some sort of totalitarianism, and the whole left/right argument is bollocks, anyway. We’re taught in this country to think that way, where other societies accept degrees of gray and shades of third, fourth and fifth parties. There’s a good reason for polarizing us like that, care to guess what it is?
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