Patterico's Pontifications

12/12/2005

Tookie Denied Clemency

Filed under: Crime,Scum — Patterico @ 6:39 pm



Governor Arnold has denied clemency for Tookie Williams. [UPDATE: Here is his statement.]

As his execution finally approaches, let us follow the precepts of this post that I wrote about the proper focus of an execution: the victims.

Tonight and tomorrow morning, forget about Stanley “Tookie” Williams, a man who is unquestionably guilty of at least four heinous murders, and laughing about them afterwards. Remember instead his victims: Albert Owens, Yen-I Yang, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, and Yu-Chin Yang Lin. Tonight should be about honoring their memory, and bringing justice for their deaths.

P.S. I got a visit from San Quentin today. Wouldn’t it be something if it was from Tookie, spending his last day cruising the ‘Net, running across all the sites like mine that look forward to his departure from this world.

21 Responses to “Tookie Denied Clemency”

  1. I support the execution of Williams as the crimes were atrocious and there is strong evidence of his guilt and general bad character. However anyone who believes there is no chance that he was at least technically innocent of at least one of the murders for which he was convicted is just kidding themselves. I would estimate the odds of such innocence are no worse than 10000 to 1. Long odds but not impossible.

    James B. Shearer (fc887e)

  2. And the odds of his being innocent of all four?

    Patterico (806687)

  3. And what do you mean by “technically” innocent? Tookie didn’t kill people, his guns killed people?

    Patterico (806687)

  4. […] Hollywood stars are – unsurprisingly – weeping into the cameras for poor Tookie, where they couldn’t muster a mist for Terri Shiavo. (HogOnIce is unmoved. So is Noonz Wire. Nor Patterico who notes that Tookie’s victims are all but forgotten in the circus.) […]

    The Anchoress » St. Tookie and Bad old Benedict XVI? (3e6668)

  5. Judgment Day: Stanley Tookie Williams Life to End Tuesday

    ***UPDATE*** No Clemency: Hasta La Vista…..Tookie!
    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger refused requests to block the execution of Stanley Tookie Williams. Schwarzenegger rejected claims that the founder of the murderous Crips gang had atoned for his cr…

    Independent Sources (4f7430)

  6. Stanley “Tookie” Williams Watch: Scenes From An Execution

    Protesters battle to get their signs in front of the cameras outside of San Quentin State prison in San Quentin, Calif., Monday, Dec. 12, 2005. The man in the center, who asked to not be identified, was one of few pro-death penalty protesters on scene…

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  7. Stanley ‘Tookie’ Williams killed those people and there was ballistics evidence traced to his gun. His two friend that he hung out with reported that he confessed to both of them. I am convinced that Stanley ‘Tookie’ Williams did kill people violently for little or no reason. Regardless of his new jailhouse halo and stuff. He should have thought twice before he killed those people. He referred to the Asian family that he killed as “Buddha-Heads” as he confessed to a friend.
    I am against the death penalty, but I feel that Stanley ‘Tookie’ Williams is most definitely guilty.

    Steve (488b00)

  8. Patterico, by “technically innocent” I mean legally innocent albeit morally guilty (at least to some extent). An example would be someone convicted of murder in state A when he had actually committed the murder in state B and only buried the body in state A. In this case if Williams was present but not the shooter in the first murder would he still be legally guilty of the crime for which he was convicted?

    As for the odds of innocence of all four I would say no worse than 1000000 to 1.

    James B. Shearer (6415d9)

  9. Stanley Tookie Williams executed 12.35 a.m. December 13th 2005 Tuesday morning.

    End of a chapter…

    Yi Ling (b61c06)

  10. patterico i dont think you like black people.

    [I don’t like murderers. The fact that you equate that with not liking black people says more about you than it does about me. — Patterico]

    dj (bd9cb9)

  11. December 13, 2005

    I was really busy this last week, but I’m ready to start working full time to save Tookie. I hope it’s not too late for me to start getting to work on this case.

    I even have a good slogan ready

    “He Tookie’s time killing that guy’s wife

    laughing, though the husband didn’t laugh too.

    Today we wish Tookie Tookie’s own life,

    so that others wouldn’t have to”

    I trust that this will be a very effective plea to save Tookie’s life

    rb (90858a)

  12. VIENNA, Austria – The execution of convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams sparked outrage Tuesday throughout Europe, which has a deep aversion to capital punishment sustained by the painful memory of state-organized murder during the Nazi era. ….

    Most of the outcry in Europe came from opposition political parties, city leaders, human rights groups and churches, with national leaders remaining silent.

    [ on yahoo news] [ by By VANESSA GERA, Associated Press Writer ]

    Why do the opposition parties in EU think they have a basis or moral right or legal right to be outraged? Hmmm…

    Yi Ling (68da1c)

  13. Yi Ling,

    In other words, the EU outcry came from those who know they will never have to bear responsibility for making capital punishment decisions of any sort, and are therefore free to pose without cost. Those who might have to actually confront the problems and issues involved were silent.

    ras (f9de13)

  14. ras,

    In other words, the EU outcry came from those who know they will never have to bear responsibility for making capital punishment decisions of any sort, and are therefore free to pose without cost. Those who might have to actually confront the problems and issues involved were silent.

    Is it same as saying that, nation states [ even the “Old Country” vis a vis America] for diplomatic reasons would eschew interfering with each other’s state decisions, like state execution for death penalty, unless, it rose to a point where their national interest is affected, would they then voice disagreement?

    How much of it in EU is the left-right divide that pulls together the outraged bandwagon of ” opposition political parties, city leaders, human rights groups and churches” in opposing Tookie’s execution?

    Or is it a perceived higher Western [modern]morality where the Old Country vanguards are contained in this outraged bandwagon of ” opposition political parties, city leaders, human rights groups and churches” ?

    Is it the bond of past historical common heritage and culture and ethnicity that this outraged bandwagon, arrogate the right or higher ground to condemn that which they think is a deviation from ‘group’s perceived higher moral ground? Do they express the same outrage for state execution globally, in contrast?

    Or is it an occasion just to criticise ?

    Urrhh??

    Yi Ling (59e35b)

  15. “VIENNA, Austria – The execution of convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams sparked outrage Tuesday throughout Europe, which has a deep aversion to capital punishment”

    That’s odd. The EU is trying to tie up all kinds of deals with China which executes far more people than the US does. Somehow I don’t recall a European protest. Do they not know, or do they think Chinese people are incapable of appreciating Western-style morality?

    Kent (1a517d)

  16. Kent,

    That’s odd. The EU is trying to tie up all kinds of deals with China which executes far more people than the US does. Somehow I don’t recall a European protest. Do they not know, or do they think Chinese people are incapable of appreciating Western-style morality?

    So your observation veers towards my poser [ or does it not?]

    Is it the bond of past historical common heritage and culture and ethnicity that this outraged bandwagon, arrogate the right or higher ground to condemn that which they think is a deviation from ‘group’s perceived higher moral ground? Do they express the same outrage for state execution globally, in contrast?

    does it therefore mean that, the outraged bandwagon of EU arises from ‘brother’s keeper’s mentality’?

    Contrast too Vatican’s critique of Tookie’s execution as serving nothing, versus the US National Conference of Catholic Bishop’s stance, where they did send a letter of appeal prior to execution appealing to Arnie for clemency for Tookie, but they did not critique [ or at least as yet, as done by Vatican] Arnie’s decision nor the actual execution. While the broad perspective of the RC is same, and in US as shown here http://www/usccb.org/sdwp/national/penaltyofdeath.pdf but the level of RC critique is markedly different across the Atlantic.

    Yi Ling (ee87eb)

  17. Yi Ling,

    The soft bigotry of lew expectations at work? Yup, in part. But even more than that, I think, is the simple anti-American knee-jerk from the same group that happily cheers on terrorists, even giving them Nobel prizes, while decrying the execution of a known murderer.

    Too many Europeans dislike the pressure of a meriticracy and prefer a stable pecking order. The US is the opposite and its continued success makes its detractors look bad. That’s the real source of the args.

    Over time, many of Europe’s meritocratic types have already migrated away. I dunno what the critical mass of such people is for a free and open society, but I fear it’s lower than expected – such people are real social catalysts – and Europe may have long since limbo’d down below the threshhold.

    Kvetching is all they have left by which to save face as their culture goes extinct. And besides, if they didn’t demonize the US, how would their elites keep their masses from demanding change?

    ras (f9de13)

  18. Yi, I agree with you. I was just suggesting that in addition thos seems to be fueled by (a)a general anti-US resentment that’s looking for something, anyting, to wax superior about, and (b) a latent racism where non-Westerners are deemed incapable of appreciating general Western values. Granted, we Americans aren’t immune from those problems either. Every epoch Westernism is faced with a crisis where it must expand its definition of “Westerners” to survive. Europe as usual behind the curve. For example, European police nowadays de facto ignore thousands of “honor killings” of Muslim women every year in Europe, on the grounds that immigrants’ customs trump women’s rights.

    Kent (1a517d)

  19. Kent and ras,

    Paper from the left, the Guardian in UK, analyses the polarity of the death penalty debate in US, presenting arguments and beliefs of each camp.

    (1) ‘It’s a question of when, not if,’ said David Elliott, communications director of the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty. ‘I don’t know if it will be five years, 10 years or 15 years, but certainly within the next half-generation.

    The number of prisoners on death row fluctuates, but stood at 3,415 on 1 July, the fifth straight annual fall, according to DPIC. Meanwhile, there is evidence the death penalty is falling out of favour with politicians. The legislatures of New York and Kansas declared it unconstitutional last year and a moratorium on executions remains in New Jersey and Illinois. California and North Carolina are reviewing their capital punishment laws.

    (2) A Gallup poll released last month revealed that 64 per cent of Americans were in favour of the death penalty, the lowest figure in 27 years and down from a peak of 80 per cent in 1994.

    ‘We need to remember that over 28 years there have been 1,000 executions, but half a million people have been killed by criminals in the same period. Those opposed to the death penalty try to focus all the attention on murderers as victims, encouraging the idea that that we shouldn’t think about those who have been killed.’

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1657476,00.html

    Contrast the 27 years trend of gradually declining poll in favor of death penalty from 80% to 64% versus the RC 25 years policy of seeking abolishment of death penalty.

    Is this an incremental gradual victory for death penalty abolishers ?

    Is this a moral political legal decision for the people of the state or should others weigh in on the decision, or have the moral political legal right to weigh in on the decision, whatever the outcome of the decision of the people now or half generation later or two-three generations later?

    Is this a moral political legal decision for the people of the state or should others weigh in on the decision, or have the moral political legal right to weigh in on the decision, whatever the outcome of the subsequent changes in the decision of the people now or half generation later or two-three generations later?

    Yi Ling (be8bf7)

  20. Martyrdom of Stanley

    Idiots from both sides of the issue have came out the woodwork to discuss the criminal acts committed by both Stanley and Arnold. Wonder what acts they have committed…

    Thought Leadership (59ce3a)


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