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Having Christian Kids Act Like Muslims

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:22 am

Jeff Goldstein has an interesting post on a recent Ninth Circuit decision allowing a school to encourage Christian students to act like Muslims, and the contrast between that and the Pledge of Allegiance decision.

I haven’t read the more recent case, but I am intrigued by the suggestion in the post (made by Jay at Stop the ACLU) concerning whether the teacher’s actions might be viewed differently if she were encouraging Muslim students to act like Christians.

15 Responses to “Having Christian Kids Act Like Muslims”

  1. I think teh difference that he is missing is that saying ‘under god’ is not being done for pretend and pedagogical purposes, but for actually pledging something under god. Whereas the kids acting like muslims are doing it as a role-play.

    actus (c9e62e)

  2. Fine actus.

    But it isn’t establishment to have the students, by word, dress, and deed, conform to the expectations of a Court recognized religion – Atheism?

    Al (00c56b)

  3. “But it isn’t establishment to have the students, by word, dress, and deed, conform to the expectations of a Court recognized religion – Atheism? ”

    I don’t know what a court recognized atheism looks like. Or how it differs from plain old non-sectarianism. Or is everything a religion?

    actus (c9e62e)

  4. I’m sure the parents will rebel when it comes time for the field trip to Mecca.

    zhombre (21bcea)

  5. I think a court based atheism is a rejection of even the incidental spillovers of a faith based life. It so, it is an intrusion into the lives of faith based people. The court seems to require that we tailor our lives to the courts variable dictates, rather than that we dictate the courts fixed boundaries.

    Congratulations, actus.

    RJN (c3a4a3)

  6. Program on the emergence of civilization.

    “14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
    13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
    None from the sub-Saharan African continent. ”
    And disfavor.

    They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

    The roots of racism are not of this earth.

    Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

    The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

    AIDS in Africa.

    Organizational Heirarchy
    Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

    1. MUCK – perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as “god”
    2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
    3. Evil/disfavored aliens – runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

    Terrestrial management:

    4. Chinese/egyptians – this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
    5. Romans – they answer to the egyptians
    6. Mafia – the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
    7. Jews, corporation, women, politician – Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

    Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
    1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.

    They can affect the weather and Hurricane Katrina was accomplished for many reasons and involves many interests, as anything this historical is::
    1. Take heat off Sheenhan/Iraq, protecting profitable war machine/private war contracts
    2. Gentrification. New Orleans median home price of $84k is among the lowest in major American cities, certainly among desirable cities.

    Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying “He has more money than god.” There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says “I’m too old and rich for this.”

    This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

    I don’t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.

    But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won’t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

    The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

    I offer an example of historical proportions:::

    People point to Walmart and cry “anti-union”.
    Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family’s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
    Unions serve to empower.
    Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.

    Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people’s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
    Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

    The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

    I believe the coining of the term “Uncle Sam” was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

    Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals. Malcontents.
    Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they “decided” who they didn’t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
    The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren’t their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

    Royalty is the right way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient’s hierarchical organization.
    Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
    Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
    Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.

    Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil. These seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
    And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

    Simpson’s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. “Last one you ever suspect.”
    “You’ll see lots of nuns where you’re going:::hell!!!” St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
    Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

    Since Buddism doesn’t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
    Budda was the Asian’s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people. “They came up at the same time for a reason.”

    Jews maim the body formed in the image of “god”, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.
    I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
    Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
    What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
    If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
    Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
    Their bondage in Egypt proves their disfavor. The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of their methodology.

    I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack “god”‘s most favored people will pay dearly one day.

    grandpa stole bets (89ea12)

  7. starts off with Guns, Germs and Steel, ends with Larouche.

    Angry Clam (a7c6b1)

  8. Its the time span between role playing as Muslims for a short period of the lesson plan period versus the year round issue of the pledge.

    But if one role plays Muslim, shouldn’t there be role play Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc?

    The fundamentalist of each religion might take issue with role playing for another religion, on religious sensitivities and there is need for opt out, as there apparently is…

    Yi Ling (e01760)

  9. “But if one role plays Muslim, shouldn’t there be role play Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc? ”

    In third grade we learned about ghana. Spent about a few weeks on it. Why ghana and not butan or every other country in the world? Who knows.

    actus (c9e62e)

  10. I wouldn’t have any problem with my 7th grader pretending that she was Muslim for 3 weeks and adopting a Muslim name and giving up Candy or something in the name of fasting. What I would have a problem with is reciting one line of a prayer. There is separation of Church and state in the US, and I would think that reciting one line, even one word of a religious prayer violates this.

    J.Doe (8e4cd6)

  11. I’d like to reiterate my point that political correctness will kill us all.

    Nick @ HBR (ba4fb8)

  12. Turnabout is fair play:

    How about giving Dems a chance to see how the other half lives, they could all pretend to be Republicans for a few weeks, say around election day.

    That would sure give the meatheads on the 9th Circuit something to chew on, besides their usual Lefty cant.

    Black Jack (ee9fe2)

  13. Is grandpa serious?

    If so, he should start taking the Haldol I recommended to Murtha.

    Anyway, I send my kids to a private christian academy. It offers excellent academics and people actually pray and study the Bible. Also, if you violate school rules (drinking, smoking, drugs, etc)even when your out of school or summer break, you can be expelled. I love the place. The students are generally great kids and serious about their studies.

    I sent my first daughter to the public school, here in metro Minneapolis, and by the first month of 1st grade, I realized a bunch of witches ran the place. My daughter, thus her parents, were acused of racism because she would’nt sit next to a black boy who had hit her in the clock room. They tried to diagnose her with attention- deficit, and had all sorts of pro -gay family and anti- christian cartoon books for her to read. The math and reading were dumbed down and they strongly believed in “group homework”
    They also bragged that sex- ed was started in 5th grade.
    It amazes me that parents care so much about day care or pre school programs but won’t take the time to look at what’s in the kid’s library..etc. I quickly learned that since I live in liberal village, I could not change the I left the fire. It feels so good to not worry about” what indoctrination do they have planned today “? Oh yes, they said a pledge to mother earth and said the pledge of allegiance was fascist. You should see the Howard Dean bumper stickers in the parking lot!
    Latin is mandatory .

    alexandra morris (8d0335)

  14. What I would have a problem with is reciting one line of a prayer.

    Sometimes we read aloud parts of history or geography book, so why not parts of a religious prayer? What’s in reading?

    I think this is ideology or truth as perceived by each tenet’s adherents and thus the sensitivity against even reciting 1 line.

    Why is fasting not sensitive? Because it is common to many tenets, just at different rules and different food rules.

    Hindus and Buddhists try not take life and extends to insects , so do not swipe insects for a week 🙂

    Yi Ling (f2e237)

  15. Related post:

    Now That Schools Can Teach Islam, They Can Teach Christianity Too

    Here are excerpts:

    “Great news! The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has just approved teaching Christianity in public schools.

    “Actually, the Ninth Circuit didn’t intend to approve teaching Christianity. The Ninth Circuit intended to approve teaching Islam in school (as long as the Islam lessons are not an “overtly religious exercise.”)

    “Whatever it intended, the Ninth Circuit’s ruling must apply with equal force to Christianity.”

    “Reportedly, the attorney representing the children and their parents who challenged the course in Islam, Edward White of the Thomas More Law Center, has said that he will ask the full appeals court for a rehearing.

    “My reaction to that news: STOP!!!!!!!!!!

    “We are now winning! This ruling is a gift!

    “As an old litigation attorney told me when I was just starting out: When you are winning, shut up!

    “Of course, Mr. White is to be commended for having filed the Eklund case. It is his prerogative to pursue this case to the full Ninth Circuit and to the U.S. Supreme Court if he wishes. But I believe that this Ninth Circuit ruling, thin gruel though it may be as an unpublished memorandum ruling, is nonetheless a gift.”

    Read more . . .

    Gina Cobb (41ce95)

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