Patterico's Pontifications

5/29/2005

Gun question

Filed under: General,Morons,Second Amendment — See Dubya @ 12:39 am



I’m reasonably knowledgable about this sort of thing, but I don’t recognize the type of machine pistol clutched by this howling loonball:
AP Photo/Mohammad Zaatari

If this man were an evangelical Christian holding an automatic weapon and a holy book, would liberals still love him?

Any of you recognize the gun? The guy holding the mystery weapon is, FYI, a Palestinian incensed by Newsweek’s reports about the LoFlow at Gitmo.

UPDATE: There is an interesting debate going on below, but on important matters: I can announce that the gun is not an UZI or a MAC-10 (as these have magazines in the grips, instead of in front), nor is it an MP5 derivative, nor is it (as I first thought) a Czech Skorpion–although it is most similar to this last. I’m really curious about this.

UPDATE II: Tec-9, short barreled variant? Getting closer, but I doubt it. The barrell and muzzle are all wrong, and the steel frame of a Tec 9 is basically cylindrical, resting in a polymer grip/magazine well part. Not what I seee in this picture.

33 Responses to “Gun question”

  1. Maybe it’s an Israeli Uzi….

    Dafydd

    Dafydd (df2f54)

  2. Nope–the magazine here is in front of the trigger; in an Uzi the magazine is in the grip.

    See Dubya (6574c2)

  3. It looks like a knock-off of a MAC-10 or even maybe a Tek-9, with the flash suppressor taken off.

    j.d. (0bc04d)

  4. Could it be a variant of the CZ Skorpion?

    craig henry (0be9e1)

  5. Your premise is false. We liberals like him as little as you do. We just think that blowing stuff up generates more guys like him than it destroys.

    Ethical Werewolf (c3bed0)

  6. I agree. We have to stop blowing stuff up. Reminds me….Two Israeli spies are about to be shot. One says to the other, “Oh, this is terrible — I’m gonna ask for a blindfold!” The other one shushes him and says, “Shlomo! Don’t make trouble!”

    OTOH….

    Mark Steyn: “”In October of 2001…(the) president-general of the Int’l Muslims Assn warned that the bombing of Afghanistan would create 1,000 Osama bin Ladens. In April of 2003, Egypt’s Mubarak warned that the bombing of Iraq would create 100 bin Ladens. So right there you got a 90 percent reduction in the bin Laden creation program…just by bombing a second country!”

    L. Barnes (658c8b)

  7. No doubt, we had to do Afghanistan. Given the way the Taliban dominated the country, I’m pretty sure that we achieved net terrorist destruction there. But I’m pretty confident that the terrorists created/destroyed ratio in Iraq was higher than 1.

    Ethical Werewolf (c3bed0)

  8. “If this man were an evangelical Christian holding an automatic weapon and a holy book, would liberals still love him?”

    What liberal loves this guy?

    actus (3be069)

  9. “I’m pretty confident that the terrorists created/destroyed ratio in Iraq was higher than 1.”

    And your confidence is based on? Do you have any supporting evidence?

    antimedia (17149e)

  10. Apparently there are strict rules on the handling of the Koran, like having to use gloves. This is the source of much of the recent “outrage”. Anyone know what the specific rules are?

    Ladainian (91b3b2)

  11. Im a bit worried about a people who stage deadly riots when someone mishandles the Koran and totally ignores innocent hostages being beheaded, desecrates the flag of the country trying to save their asses, hide weapons and fight from the shelter of supposedly “holy mosques, hospitals, and schools.
    The silence of the vast majority of the muslim community in this country has been deafening.

    Glenn Beebe (ed5905)

  12. For evidence onsider the fact that the CIA didn’t regard Iraq as a country with any al-Qaeda activity before the invasion. (The US, by contrast, was regarded as a nation with Al-Qaeda activity, because of September 11.) Now there are a few suicide car bombings every week. When a country starts out with only the most tenuous connections to terrorism, and then becomes a terrorist playground, I’d say that the created/destroyed ratio > 1.

    Ethical Werewolf (c3bed0)

  13. Definite family resemblance to the FAMAE SAF…
    http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1800/1895.htm

    ExCarMagGuy (effbb9)

  14. Goddamn it, people, since when did Al Qaeda become the only Muslim terrorist group in the world?

    Angry Clam (f05866)

  15. For evidence onsider the fact that the CIA didn’t regard Iraq as a country with any al-Qaeda activity before the invasion.

    If they were right about that, were they also right about WMDs?

    Or are you both having and eating your cake?

    McGehee (acc74b)

  16. “If they were right about that, were they also right about WMDs?”

    What kind of a totalist do you have to be to believe in that?

    actus (3be069)

  17. I almost forgot what a swell guy Zarqawi was until we turned him into a terrorist and made him join al-Qaeda by invading “his” country.

    Xrlq (717f9d)

  18. “I almost forgot what a swell guy Zarqawi was until we turned him into a terrorist and made him join al-Qaeda by invading “his” country.”

    I certainly hadn’t heard of any bad things he had done. Effin liberal media.

    actus (3be069)

  19. “I hadn’t heard of it” –> “it didn’t exist.”

    Effin liberal mentality.

    Xrlq (717f9d)

  20. Craig–My first impression was a Skorpion, and your link reveals that the Skorpion is often used in Egypt and Libya. But even the straight-magazine variant (the model 83) curves away from where the barrel meets the frame for a few inches before it reaches the magazine well, and this one is square (and very close to the magazine). Also the barrel here appears to emerge from the top front of the frame, instead of the middle front like in the Skorpions or the lower front, as is the case in UZIs.

    ExMagCarGuy, the Mini-SAF you’ve linked to is gas operated and has an operating rod over the barrel so I’m pretty sure it’s not that or any of the MP5 clones.

    See Dubya (584c93)

  21. “Effin liberal mentality.”

    Then again, the winger version of it is to now blog him once he’s killing americans. Za-who? Za-killed an american.

    The lefty conspiracy version is to bring up how we were going to target him before the invasion, but didn’t because that would weaken the case for invasion. Of course he existed. But he wasn’t the focus.

    Isn’t there even one conspirarcy version where the dude was hiding out in kurdistan, not under saddam’s reach?

    actus (3be069)

  22. Quran, FYI: the book is only a book UNTIL it is read aloud in Arabic. Then, as the sing song recitation spins its web, the book becomes and aura and this aura is HOLY. Only Korans printed in Arabic are capable of spinning this Holy Aura, and then only those that have not been re-written (or interpreted) from the original in any way.

    The whole thing is bogus.

    The gun is most likely a Skorpion vz 61, a Czeck weapon in wide distribution. It is popular because it is small enough to be easily concealed and, like almost any gun of this type it is accurate as throwing sand.

    Howard Veit (baba22)

  23. “What liberal loves this guy?”

    The ones who think the failed internationalist plus occaisional flyswat cruise missile strike policies of the past should be continued instead of the ones in favor of persuing them with soldiers on the ground no matter how much the French hate the idea.

    Oh wait. That’s about all of them.

    TDP (e534cd)

  24. “What liberal loves this guy?”

    The ones who…

    1. applauded the MSM’s restraint in refusing to publish photos of actual 9-11 victims jumping to their death because of their hypothetical fear of inciting U.S. citizens to violence against Muslims; and then

    2. applaud the MSM’s lack of restraint (“courage”) in publishing unverified rumors of Koran flushing at Gitmo resulting in foreseeable Middle East riots and actual death; and then

    3. insist the retracted Koran flushing story was newsworthy and probably true because they want it to be true.

    Oh wait, what TDP said.

    capitano (f6cfb0)

  25. “applaud the MSM’s lack of restraint (”courage”) in publishing unverified rumors of Koran flushing at Gitmo resulting in foreseeable Middle East riots and actual death;”

    should they also applaud the lack of restraint of afghani police that shot the rioters?

    “3. insist the retracted Koran flushing story was newsworthy and probably true because they want it to be true.”

    We do know, and have known for a while, of allegations of Koran desecration. I’m not that surprised that jail guards are mean to the things that their prisoners find important.

    But overall, you’d be hardpressed to find liberals loving a religious fanatic.

    actus (3be069)

  26. Actually, if you’re curious about what liberals actually want to do about terrorism, look at the legislation we’d like to pass.

    Ethical Werewolf (c3bed0)

  27. As to the Koran, apparently only a member of Islam is allowed to touch the book after it’s been read out loud. After that point, it has to be kept ridiculously clean – why we’ve given out pieces of cloth with which the detainees can wrap their books in – and aren’t supposed to come into contact with anything defined as unclean. More left-leaning individuals would probably request that I mention the ‘menstrual blood’ incidents, which would make even the Koran’s owner unclean and unable to read from the Koran, if they took place.

    Given that the few sites which actually require guards to search Korans (various weapons were being hidden in them) require the guards to keep gloves on at all times to avoid desecrating the papers, it really doesn’t sound like this could have happened as an accident, not in the way that Newsweek made it sound.
    If you wanted to torture someone effectively, you’d probably want to desecrate it page by page or something, seriously.

    Ethical Werewolf, nice name by the way, that’s a long document effectively recommending what’s already being done.

    blueeyes (85e0cf)

  28. “If this man were an evangelical Christian holding an automatic weapon and a holy book, would liberals still love him?”

    Nope. In America he would be _way_ too close to home. They might have to make aliyah to get away from him … and they really, _really_ don’t want to make aliyah.

    Better he stay over there with his gun and the Evangelical Christians can be disarmed over here.

    Or as my NYC buddy Goldberg said, “thanks for the invitation, but I won’t ‘do’ the Bible Belt until they pass gun control”.

    Big Bill (2eddb3)

  29. Ethical Werewolf, nice name by the way, that’s a long document effectively recommending what’s already being done.
    Comment by blueeyes — 5/30/2005 @ 2:42 pm

    My thought exactly — the key being what’s already being DONE as opposed to being talked to death or used as a smokescreen to cover Democrat obstructionism in the past. Anything to get out in front of the train that left the station a long time ago.

    capitano (f6cfb0)

  30. The vcantcy ina liberals head proves how stupid they are at times

    krazy kagu (b3aac5)


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