The Jury Talks Back


Is Revealing Truth Important No Matter Where the Truth Comes From?

Filed under: Uncategorized — Patterico @ 7:30 am

It depends! Just ask the Trumpists.

  • Trumpists: it’s fine that the Russians hacked Democrats’ emails because it revealed truth. Revealing truth is always good no matter how the truth gets out. Free Julian Assange!
  • Also Trumpists: A bunch of embarrassing information was released on Trump in the Mueller report to just to hurt him. The people who started the Russia investigation need to go to jail.

The Mueller report is like a Rorschach inkblot. Both sides read it and think someone should go to jail. Trumpists think the people who should be jailed are the investigators. Non-Trumpists think the people who should be jailed are the people who engaged in the criminal behavior described in the report.

But I don’t see how you praise the fact that information was released through hacking, and decry information being released through the proper operation of law enforcement.

The main benefit I see of Trump being President is good judges. But good judges are important only because the rule of law is important. Meanwhile Trump is eroding and attacking the rule of law in any way possible when it comes to anything having to do with him.

The trade-off is not worth it.


  1. Trump and his sons are sueing to stop the release of his finances and taxes. Another example of how truth and transparency is bad when it is Trump’s ox being gored.

    Comment by DRJ — 4/22/2019 @ 8:21 am

  2. Where does this magical surrendering of privacy and rights when one becomes President come from? I’m having a hard time finding it in the Constitution…

    Comment by Sean — 4/22/2019 @ 9:10 am

  3. I also find this duality of “Trump supporters want A and non-Trump supporters want B” highly ironic. As someone who did not vote for Trump and still can’t stand the immature behavior of our CIC I have to say that your two options are rather narrow-minded. There are many of us who did not, and do not fully support the President that find much of the Russian Investigation and the non-stop press beating Trump received for 3 years highly troubling. FISA warrants based on false information to spy on an American citizen and possibly played a part in launching this investigation is worrisome and based on the information in the report due more attention, possibly jail time for some of the actors involved.

    That doesn’t mean I’m advocating that Mueller or any of his team should be jailed (in fact I think they did a great job), but there does appear to be a rather foul stench around the motives and process that led up to the investigation in the first place. I think possible abuses of prosecutorial power and purposefully misleading judges to obtain warrants to secretly spy on Americans is a lot more important that some of Trump’s tantrums that went know where, and even if they did would still fall under the power of his office (firing Mueller for example).

    Furthermore, all of the political BS the Democrats are now involved in is taking away traction for the biggest scandal in all of this, that Russians are in fact actively tampering in our election processes (thankfully the report cleared any American of actively or knowingly conspiring with them to do so). This country is under attack at our borders, in cyber space, and from a global economic standpoint. The fact that the Democrats are continuing with this is not only shameful, but a detriment to our National Security.

    Trump isn’t the barbarian at the gate, he’s just the loud mouth town crier they keep paying attention to while the real enemies at the gate assemble.

    Comment by Sean — 4/22/2019 @ 9:50 am

  4. Trump is running businesse4s while President, and he has many opportunities for self-dealing at America’s expense that should be reviewed by Congress. In addition, he is not a private citizen anymore. He works for us.

    Comment by DRJ — 4/22/2019 @ 4:24 pm

  5. Doesn’t it seem strange to you that Trump shows the most deference to dictators in charge of countries that he has investments in or has tried to invest in? What better way to make sure your deals go through on the best terms than to deal with dictators instead of transparent democracies.

    Comment by DRJ — 4/22/2019 @ 4:28 pm

  6. Trump glad-hands everyone he deals with—it’s his business M-O—and while I’d rather the President not ingratiate himself with dictators his motives aren’t malicious (unlike past Presidents that did the same). Furthermore, nowhere in the Constitution does it claim being elected to public office removes all right of privacy and deems your business’ records forfeit to this whims of Congress. If Congress has specific evidence of Trump self-dealing that wasn’t already investigated by Mueller’s team then yes, investigate, but that isn’t what they’re doing here.

    Comment by Sean — 4/24/2019 @ 6:52 am

  7. Answering the question in the post’s headline: Yes.

    The Mueller report suggests that the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, GOP Sen. Richard Burr, of North Carolina, may have identified for the White House targets of the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

    Comment by DRJ — 4/26/2019 @ 8:40 am

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