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Here’s where we stand regarding the wall and the shutdown, according to those with vested interests. Vested interests does not necessarily mean in the best interest of the country.
From President Trump:
From Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer (via Seung Min Kim)
(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)
–Dana
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From three of the most dishonest people holding public office. These people.
Dana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:04 amFor kicks, let’s ask the question: Who is Trump most influenced by: his advisers and aides, or Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh?
Dana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:05 amWhat difference does it make? If he is influenced by whomever, he’s weak. If he “doesn’t listen to his advisers “ he’s “stupid”. Either way, no one this far removed, people who have never met him or Limbaugh or met anyone who has ever met anyone who has met them could possibly know this. He’s outside the political narrative.
JSkorcher (b66096) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:15 am“I am all alone (poor me) in the White House.”
Alert the daycare staff!
nk (dbc370) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:28 amSorry, too good a straight line to pass up.
nk (dbc370) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:29 amFunny you.
Dana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:35 amAnn Coulter. Rush Limbaugh… and their like. These people!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:35 amTurkey’s in the oven, ham, dressing, hashbrown casserole, corn, green beans, and sweet potato soufflé standing by for their go-time. Side table set up with chocolates and pies and cheese and pickles and nuts and a dozen snacks I’ve forgotten – too much food and too few family and friends as is our Christmas tradition. Later will come the drinking and the setting of things on fire. Remind me again who this Trump fellow is and why I should care?
A Merry Christmas to all of you, a grace for even the miserable badgers amongst you who don’t deserve it.
Jerryskids (702a61) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:44 am“I am all alone (poor me) in the White House.”
Last time a clever child was left behind at Christmas it turned into a pretty funny movie.
JVW (30a532) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:45 amMemo to our Donald. Christmas by yourself in the White House sounds pretty keen, Captain, sir! All the toys available just fr you to play with. But Sweet Pea heard your cries and flew back to be with you, didn’t she. OTOH, these folks flew, too… and according to the quilling of: Charles Lindbergh, John Young, Mike Collins, Dick Gordon, Stu Roosa, Al Worden, Ken Mattingly and Ron Evans –you don’t know what the hell ‘alone’ truly is.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:48 amTurkey’s in the oven, ham, dressing, hashbrown casserole, corn, green beans, and sweet potato soufflé standing by for their go-time.
Sounds like quite the feast. Does your family do turkey for both Thanksgiving and Christmas? That’s never gone over well with my family, so the tradition has usually been turkey at Thanksgiving and then beef at Christmas, except for last year when my parents and sister ended up eating at an Italian restaurant for Thanksgiving, and thus made me suffer through (I kid — I love turkey) another turkey dinner on Christmas Eve.
Do many readers here do a turkey dinner for both holidays?
JVW (30a532) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:48 amWe had yellow rice and shrimp a little bit of a change from the usual menu.
Enough with the festivus sheesh.
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:55 amTurkey/Turkey or Turkey/Ham is what I mostly recall.
The combination of turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and gravy cannot be improved upon, AFAIC
Dave (68a548) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:08 pmFifty years to the day later, still the most memorable Christmas ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToHhQUhdyBY
Eat well. Be safe. Best to everyone. ‘And God bless all of you. All of you on the good Earth.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:10 pm“For kicks, let’s ask the question: Who is Trump most influenced by: his advisers and aides, or Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh?”
Dana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:05 am
Answer: He’s certainly not influenced by Pelosi/Schumer talking points, alluding to pleasing “right-wing radio and TV hosts” embedded in a leading question.
Munroe (ab58ce) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:12 pmJVW (30a532) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:45 am
Trump was in that movie!
nk (dbc370) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:13 pmHere ya go!
Dana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:27 pmAgain!
Dana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:28 pmFifty years to the day later, still the most memorable Christmas ever:
I know you’re big on the space program, DCSCA, but there has been no Christmas apart from the first one more monumental than Christmas 1776.
JVW (30a532) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:41 pmAnd Christmas 1968 is just a bit too early to be memorable to me.
JVW (30a532) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:42 pmInexcusable that they allow him near children.
Dave (68a548) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:44 pmGood call on Christmas 1776, JVW
The password Washington assigned the pathetic remnants of his army that snowy Christmas Eve for the attack on Trenton was “Victory or Death” – and he meant it.
Dave (68a548) — 12/24/2018 @ 12:55 pm@20. JVW, thanks to the magic of television, you can always watch and enjoy it again. As noted on another thread, it is more than about ‘the space program.’ That was just a means to an endless beginning. The event remains fundamental; either you get it- or you don’t.
Best to you this Christmas.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:04 pm@22. Notable for Americans perhaps, but there’s nothing particularly “special” ‘about Christmas, 1776 in the big picture of toil, triumphs and tears; those sort of trials and tribulations have been going on in many guises through history. Christmas, 1968 was different. As noted, you either get it– or you don’t. An that’s not a slight toward anyone- it’s just a matter of perception.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:11 pm@19. Postscript- JVW, likely ‘Christmas, 1776’ was a bit before your time, too. 😉
Have a safe and merry one.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:21 pm@19. Postscript- JVW, likely ‘Christmas, 1776′ was a bit before your time, too.
I know, I know: that’s why I changed your “memorable” to my “monumental.” It was a sleight-of-keyboard trick on my end.
Merry Christmas to you and yours too, DCSCA.
JVW (30a532) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:26 pmChristmas 1968, my parents had just been married and they were waiting for a way out of the island paradise that andrea Mitchell and Dan rather doted on, perspective much.
Narciso (cc845e) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:31 pm@26. LOL Yes- well, CSPAN3 has been re-airing Apollo 8-related telecasts all day– the hour-long CBS News special w/Cronkite from 12/27/68 is exceptionally good; pretty much captures ‘the way it was.’
Best to you and your family as well.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:32 pmYes, if the silly colonial revolt had been put down once and for all in early 1777, as it quite likely would have been without Washington’s two successful Hail Mary’s, I’m sure Borman, Lovell and Anders would have still made it to the moon right on schedule…
Harry Turtledove, a writer of historical fiction, wrote an entertaining novel The Two Georges about what the 20th century might have been like if the American Revolution had turned out the other way. Airships and steam-powered cars, not space capsules, were the technical marvels of the 1960’s!
(The title refers to the famous Gainsborough painting of George III and George Washington meeting to end the American Revolution which is stolen by a group of pro-independence American terrorists…)
Dave (1bb933) — 12/24/2018 @ 1:41 pm@29. It really didn’t matter; Borman, Lovell, Anders… it could have been Ivan, Alexi… or Fritz.
‘You either get it; or you don’t.’ Have a good holiday.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/24/2018 @ 2:16 pmAlternative histories. The rorsascach test for the politically obsessive personality.
JSkorcher (b66096) — 12/24/2018 @ 2:36 pmTrump’s voters WANTED him to destroy the status quo, which they felt was crushing them. He’s doing a good job of that, but he’s replacing it with a vacuum. And, as we know, a vacuum in DC is quickly filled with scoundrels.
A pox on both their houses.
Kevin M (cb624b) — 12/24/2018 @ 2:54 pmno too much of the uniparty structure is intact, that is the problem,
narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 3:11 pmmerry Christmas:
https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/24/new-york-times-track-gun-credit-card/
narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 3:15 pmacross the pond, it’s a quixotic exercise,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/24/ministers-accuse-sussex-police-messing-gatwick-drone-investigation/
they would probably send harriers to shoot down santa,
narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 3:20 pmLast shutdown, we were in the Shenandoah for an anniversary getaway. We couldn’t do Skyline Drive, but managed a nice trip enjoying the sites which were managed by private/local organizations.
This time around, we found ourselves headed to Richmond to pick up our daughter. On Saturday morning, we stopped at the Fredericksburg battlefield. My daughter’s finance attempted to use the restroom but found the door locked.
An employee emerged from the open gift shop and announced “Government shutdown, no restrooms.”
This is gubmint as it is, as it was, as it will be long after Trump is gone.
Matador (39e0cd) — 12/24/2018 @ 3:20 pmand the other sideshow, which is relevant to the matter in Syria,
https://securitystudies.org/jamal-khashoggi-and-qatar-in-the-echo-chamber/
narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 3:46 pmThanks Narciso. Even around Christmas time, the fascist left always reveals itself.
NJRob (4d595c) — 12/24/2018 @ 5:44 pmMeanwhile, Kim Kardashian says she wants to have Kevin Cooper as a houseguest.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-gov-brown-orders-new-dna-testing-in-35-year-old-murders
Kevin M (cb624b) — 12/24/2018 @ 5:56 pmi love that it’s almost christmas
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/24/2018 @ 5:56 pmHappy Boxing Day Eve Eve, everyone.
Kevin M (cb624b) — 12/24/2018 @ 5:57 pmhttps://xkcd.com/2089/
Kevin M (cb624b) — 12/24/2018 @ 5:58 pmBTW, why does Trump keep choosing such terrible people for jobs that he has to fire them? Maybe HE should be Secretary of Everything! This delegation stuff is for little people, not Trump.
Kevin M (cb624b) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:01 pmThe primary reason that Schmuckmer and Peloseria are so adamant about not giving him what he wants is they are running Bush 41 campaign strategy on him. He made a clear cut ambiguous campaign promise (no new taxes) and they are going to deny him that so they can further split his supporters. Its petty in a budget sense, 4% of what Obama set the Mullahs is chump change in Fed Budgetary dollars.
Rich (de9149) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:08 pmhttps://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1077375011600678912
“Donald Trump, answering phone call from 7-year-old on Christmas Eve: “Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at seven it’s marginal, right?””
Merry Christmas!
Davethulhu (c2a30b) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:33 pmAlso on Christmas Day
Monday, December 25th, 1944
After achieving 60 miles of territory – the farthest march of the German Ardennes Offensive – the 2nd Panzer Division under Lieutenant-General von Lauchert is stopped by a combined force of British and American armor made up of the British 29th Armored Brigade and the American 2nd Armored Division.
From here
Kishnevi (7976e0) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:38 pmhttps://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/battle-of-the-bulge.php
The Crisis
Thomas Paine – December 23, 1776
THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
Dave (1bb933) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:51 pmhttps://www.noradsanta.org/
NJRob (4d595c) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:53 pmYou know nothing of what you speak off:
https://quodverum.com/2018/12/357/the-method-behind-trump-s-madness-.html
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 6:59 pmOne can only marvel at someone who like Wictor, making an argument with evidence that directly refutes his point.
Kishnevi (7976e0) — 12/24/2018 @ 7:07 pmYou really think there is some magic perfect t way to do this, with all the forces moving ey and personnel marshalled against any meaningful reform
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 8:19 pmOn the Christmas music thread, Dave wrote:
I will respond here:
nk (dbc370) — 12/24/2018 @ 8:35 pmAfter you and your ilk conspired to turn the brightest spot of the year into a whine-fest? I don’t think so. I question your sincerity, your motives, and your understanding of the English language.
It’s like the titans live action series, what is the point, except to show the ego will be the death of the DC universe.
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 8:51 pm…or the TT live series purpose is to provide an nth pop reference for the incoming Dem congressional caucus.
urbanleftbehind (160a8d) — 12/24/2018 @ 9:15 pmTrump’s agenda is not meaningful reform.
Kishnevi (836963) — 12/24/2018 @ 9:17 pmNo I dont see a purpose. That’s more like the legion of doom!
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/24/2018 @ 9:18 pmThey pride themselves on their outlandish appearance, diversity for diversity’s sake.
urbanleftbehind (160a8d) — 12/24/2018 @ 9:28 pmMerry Christmas anyway, nk.
Dave (1bb933) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:03 pmHappy Kwanzaa! Lets all donate to go fund me the wall. $20,000,000 so far!
lany (254e94) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:47 pmClassic. First, we learned about Bornstein the White, who waved his stethoscope around and declared Trump the healthiest 70-year old in human history, or something like that. And now we’ve found the podiatrist who diagnosed Trump with bone spurs lo’ these fifty years ago. As expected, it was transactional. Naturally, the podiatrist was a tenant in one of Fred Trump’s buildings and he got some nice rent concessions over the years.
Paul Montagu (e18ff0) — 12/26/2018 @ 9:45 amThat’s a Law and Order episode, probably the podiatrist is killed, the Trump proxies are the suspects, but its actually a case of instantaneous malpractice settlement, similar to the judge lefko husband’s
urbanleftbehind (160a8d) — 12/26/2018 @ 9:50 amSo you saw that the Lefkows are back in the news, or a nasty-politically-connected-daughter-of-a-federal-judge-lady (not much)-lawyer decides to destroy her high school chemistry teacher’s life after 18 years. Her husband, I think is also a politically-connected lawyer, with deep connections to the Chicago public school system, if it’s the same Hynes I’m thinking of.
nk (dbc370) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:09 amThat NYT article is garbage, Paul. It’s not even hearsay, it’s imaginings. Literally, although a judge might make you say “speculation”.
nk (dbc370) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:11 amMy God what a tool she is, ah montagu,
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:15 amhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-times-tracks-down-anti-trump-children-of-long-deceased-doctor.amp
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:23 amDana (023079) — 12/24/2018 @ 11:05 am
Those aides – but mostly Stephen Miller – who tell him to listen to certain people on this issue, not probably exactly Ann Coulter or even Rush Limbaugh but Steve Bannon, Breitbart, Tucker Carlson and maybe some people on Fox News. Coukld be he’s got some otehr politically inclined “friends.” he
They mislead him by telling him less will satisfy them and he gets repeatedly surprised.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:34 amnarciso @65.
The original source was someone who gave the New York times a clue but did not name the doctor. How could anyone know all this without knowing the name of the foot doctor? I suspect someone with illegal access to government records, even though the New York Times says all such records are mostly gone.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html
Make them work for the story. They’ll be more likely to run it.
I suspect some private detective agency was the New York Times’ original source. The NYT probably thinks it was someone who heard the story third or fourth or fifth hand and who was not familiar with the doctor. But very few people know how to keep their identity secret from the Times itself and yet get taken seriously. It has to be a leak from some Democrat who broke the law.
I don’t think Donald Trump was the only person helped in this manner, and it’s possible the other doctor (Dr. Manny Weinstein) was key and told Fred Trump he had to find someone else to say Donald Trump had a medical disability – then he could approve it.
Donald Trump himself said in 2016 that the doctor wrote a very strong letter but the NYT thinks nobody has the text any more.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:47 am29. What about the book “For Want of a Nail?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail_(novel)
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:49 amTrump used to listen to Fox News until about 9 or 9:30 am but now he listens till around 11 or 11:30
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/22/us/politics/trump-two-years.html
Maybe somebody there repeated the idea that we might be headed intoa recession. Trump is worried:
Three actual possibilities are:
1) Seeking legislation to control the federal Reserve Board. (that;s what one commentator thought before Trump got this diea of firing Powell)
2) Remving Powell as Chairman, but not as a member which he might have the power to do.
3) Having the Treasury cease co-operation with the fed in an attempt to force the Fed to revert to the situation before March 4, 1951,
In 1979, Jimmy Carter got rid of fed Chairman he didn’t want by giving him another job (Secretary of the Treasury)
He put in Paul Volcker and what Volcker did was what Carter wanted and expected so, for once a president – Carter – was really and truly responble for a recession. Carter trusted on experts.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 12/26/2018 @ 10:58 amOf course tehre;s the opinion that
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/25/opinion/editorials/trump-market-federal-reserve.html
It mayeb was the gold standard but first and aove akll, the Fed letting the money supply contract and contract. The stock market is related to that because stocks were bought on margin with borrowed money and people used money they needed not long term savings.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 12/26/2018 @ 11:01 amBreaking- Under veil of secrecy, President Trump and First Lady visit troops for photo op in Iraq.
Memo to Barron: ‘your mother wears army boots.’
Really, she does.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/26/2018 @ 11:58 am71.
When i first heard that Trump wasn’t visiting any troops, I figured that could happen. Just like with W and others, it would be done in complete secrecy, with the reporters on the plane also being sworn to secrecy.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 12/26/2018 @ 1:14 pmOne, this isn’t a court of law. Two, it’s plausible.
Paul Montagu (c0e0d4) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:08 amAll successful works of fiction are. Plausible. They need to be. It’s the first thing that is taught in Creative Writing 101.
nk (dbc370) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:14 amWhen do podiatrist write excuse letters, I know the physical flagged me in four places
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:16 amThe old biddies don’t even say that their father did any of those things. Or that he told them he did. Or that anybody else told them he did. They’re just saying he might have because they hate Trump and want their names in the New York Times.
nk (dbc370) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:24 amBut now I have to go start my spaghetti sauce and can’t decide on garlic or no garlic, since I’ll be making it with cinnamon? I’m leaning towards a little, minced and sauteed along with the onion.
nk (dbc370) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:28 amThey couldn’t even forge their fathers signature or does that come in 2020.
Cinnamon in spaghetti sauce?
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:31 amWell that puts the guardians of truth in a different context:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/jamal-khashoggis-fake-op-eds.php
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:34 amyes yes cinnamon we’ve talked about this remember?
it’s a greek thing this chili is wonderful btw
this is pretty i wonder where that is
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:45 amhere is a good discussion
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:46 amIt’s a bearded spock universe:
http://www.danielpipes.org/18644/tectonic-shifts-in-attitudes-toward-israel?fbclid=IwAR034wNt8YJL4qEX3j5Rt8HP0vU-R8UEN1CnlTRkqJ6Zy2SRPr8r02QuTDg
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:46 amIt’s more than plausible given the Trump’s history of manipulating MDs (read Bornstein) to get what he wants and generally lying about everything.
Paul Montagu (c0e0d4) — 12/27/2018 @ 8:56 amEven more irony:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/27/bombshell-khashoggi-foreign-governments-influence-agent/
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:02 amJust dont get trapped in an elevator with a bunch of drunk Cincinnatans. That’s extra fuel.
urbanleftbehind (7ef8f9) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:17 amgood tip
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:19 amWhy do they want to hold on to the UK so intently:
Narciso (d1f714) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:25 amhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1063992/brexit-news-theresa-may-brexit-deal-parliament-g-nther-oettinger
they’re as melodramatic as they are stupid
this stupid little island needs to just brexit already and move on with life
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:38 amYes, cinnamon for spaghetti sauce. (Rotini, actually, today.) A few cloves would work as well, if you don’t have cinnamon. With salt, black pepper, a handful of chopped onion, a little minced garlic, enough olive oil to saute the onion and garlic in, a pint of tomato sauce (pureed tomatoes). But that’s it for plain pasta with cheese.
If I were making it with meat, to be served with orzo or rice, I could substitute allspice for the cinnamon or cloves, and add a bay leaf, or a pinch of cumin with or without a little dried thyme, if I had them and could be bothered.
nk (dbc370) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:40 am#83. The story amounts to a reporter talking to some foot guy’s kids. And the kids say “my Dad always used to tell a story”. Great for Ancestry.com, or a hook for a thriller; not so good for the newspaper of record.
Appalled (7f19ea) — 12/27/2018 @ 9:40 am