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11/25/2018

Illegals Storm Border South of San Diego, Throw Projectiles at Agents

Filed under: Uncategorized — Patterico @ 8:37 pm

There was a confrontation at the border south of San Diego today, as 500 “migrants” stormed the port of entry at San Ysidro. This is the beginning of the drama of the “caravan” that Democrats said would take months to arrive. If you buy CNN’s spin (I don’t), authorities fired tear gas at the “migrants” — to “disperse” them:

US authorities fire tear gas to disperse migrants at border

A major US-Mexico border crossing in San Diego was closed for hours on Sunday after a group of migrants on the Mexican side rushed the border area, leading US Border Patrol agents to fire tear gas at the group.

About 500 migrants on the Mexican side of the border overwhelmed police blockades near the San Ysidro Port of Entry Sunday afternoon, two journalists at the scene in Tijuana told CNN.
A migrant family runs from tear gas released by US border patrol agents near the fence between Tijuana, Mexico, and San Diego.

A migrant family runs from tear gas released by US border patrol agents near the fence between Tijuana, Mexico, and San Diego.

As the migrants tried to cross the border, authorities on the US side used tear gas to disperse them, the journalists said. Video of the scene showed a cloud of tear gas that sent people running and screaming, including families with young children.

But if you keep reading the story, or if you are active on Twitter, you see a different story:

US Customs and Border Protection said the migrants threw projectiles that struck several agents.

“Border Patrol agents deployed tear gas to dispel the group because of the risk to agents’ safety,” the agency said on Twitter.

Here is the tweet:

More pictures:

The Tweeter in Chief has not directly referenced the story, although a complaint about a 60 Minutes story seems to allude to it:

Illegal aliens cannot be allowed to overrun our border. Period.

4 Comments »

  1. If the reports are true about the Mexican government deporting some of the mesoamerican martyrdom brigades, I might be persuaded that we are not in fact in a state of war with Mexico.

    Comment by BobtheRegisterredFool — 11/25/2018 @ 10:25 pm

  2. I presume you’re joking, but still – that’s a little silly.
    You want to really see a nascent war look to Ukraine and the Azov sea where Russian naval ships are firing on the Ukrainians.

    The border scrum is a mess, it’s like the opening of a shook up bottle of (beer or soda, take your pick!), foaming over.
    I agree with AJ Liberty in the other side of the blog (I wish he’d comment here, as I know his commenting from the Volokh Conspiracy). This is our failure in governing as much as anything. And personally I am glad the Mexican government is willing to deport the rabble-rousers, as they should.
    But it’s not war, not even close. And Mexico can not be reasonably claimed to be the aggressor here, in any way.
    It’s a crappy situation anyway you look at it, but it’s not WAR.

    And, anecdotally – I’m more liberal than 90% of this board, and know plenty other democrats – no one I know of supports a scrum at the border, and all are appalled by it. And this from deep blue Cal, where I live.

    Comment by TomM — 11/26/2018 @ 1:31 pm

  3. No the source of this problem is in zelayas libre party and with pueblo sin fronteras.

    Comment by narciso — 11/26/2018 @ 2:46 pm

  4. Not joking.

    There are lots of different possible states of wars. Presuming that they must all look the same, that hunter gatherer tribal endemic warfare, Stalingrad, Yorktown, Lepanto, Cannae, Manzikert, Sekigahara, etc… must all be identical, is silly.

    A state of peace with Mexico would require Mexican forces not crossing into the US without permission, and American forces not crossing into Mexico without permission. 1. If the evidence that the former is not happening cannot be trusted. 2. If the most reliable evidence is the rumors of occasional border violations from Mexico into the US by armed men. Then the question of a de facto state of war is open.

    If such a state of war exists, then we are no longer morally bound to security solutions that do not violate Mexico’s sovereignty.

    On the other hand, if the Mexican central government controls the border area, and takes reasonable steps to minimize border violations, then peace is a much more defensible claim.

    The situation with the cartels suggests that the central government is weak, and might not really control several areas.

    If $100k in ad buys could have swung the 2016 election, and represents a act of war by Russia, the spending involved in moving these people could have swung the 2018 election, represents an act of war, and either the Mexican central government or the cartels are complicit. (Look at the speeds, distances, and terrain. The exhaustive (but not mutually exclusive) possibilities are that someone was funding the movement or that they left a trail of dead bodies across nothern Mexico.) The columns were not reported as being armed when they were moving across Mexico. The Mexican army could have chased them back outside of Mexico if the Mexican government wasn’t looking for a deniable way of testing US resolve. If the columns were too heavily armed for that, they could have made a deal for US air support.

    As for root causes, yes and no.
    1. Mexico’s adoption of different policies from the US during the 19th century caused the wealth levels of the countries to diverge. Remember, Texas used to be part of Mexico until it split off in one of the Mexican civil wars. (Anglo settlers had been brought in to hold the marches against the Comanche, then a new Mexican central government took over and pissed them off.)
    2. The US chose to tolerate a population of substance abusers, and the resulting financial flows have seriously distorted the Mexican economy.
    3. The Democrats and Republicans colluded to create and profit from a situation where in theory the nation is a jobs and welfare program, and a labor voter will either have a cushy job or a government paycheck, but in practice low value work is cut, and some of it handed under the table to illegals. Cutting the costs people in dear old blue California pay for the employment laws they have voted in. This likewise has seriously distorted the Mexican economy.

    Probable future root cause number four is the incoming Mexican government.

    Comment by BobtheRegisterredFool — 11/26/2018 @ 3:37 pm

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