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7/23/2018

Tough Talk from Donald Trump

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:15 am



Background here and here.

UPDATE: Alex Griswold beat me to it. GMTA and sometimes mine does too.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

166 Responses to “Tough Talk from Donald Trump”

  1. Stable genius.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  2. UPDATE: Alex Griswold beat me to it. GMTA and sometimes mine does too.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  3. Trump needed this, after his flops with Kim Jong Un and Putin. Character and competence do not matter to his base, but tough talk and bluster … they eat that up. He should send a thank you note to Rouhani.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Did Obama ever send an all-caps tweet to Iranian President Rouhani?! NO!!

    #QEDMAGAWOOT

    Leviticus (efada1)

  5. Ot how good is Hania kreta olive oil, and how much is it worth paying.

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. The ease with which Trump plays his base is a national embarrassment, above and beyond his election.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  7. Rouhani is one the ropes, in Yemen in south America, even in Syria his proxies have incurred heavy losses.

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. This sounds like what he tweeted to Kim Jong Un of North Korea.

    People will interpret this as meaning Trump thinks Iran might already actually have am atomic bomb.

    On the other hand he said “few throughout history.” If he was referring to dropping an aromic bomb, that is not accurate, since there was only one country that was used against. On the other hand he might not have wanted to be clear. Nobody wants to think he would threaten to drop an atomic bonb for any cause save Iran using one, So it’s best interpreted as referring to something less but maybe more widespread..

    Although in reality it doesn’t make all that much sense – Trump is just getting out his playbook.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  9. narciso @6. It’s very good, probably the best, and it’s worth the price at around $15.00 per liter give or take. Others comparable are Minerva and Agora. My mother thought El Toro from Spain was a decent substitute at a much lower price for cooking and I guarantee you she knew what she was talking about. Up to the sensibilities of your palate.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. He cribbed that tweet from a fellow who visited FAO Schwartz earlier in the decade before it closed.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  11. Leviticus

    All political bases contain sheep.
    Liberal and RINO hearts went all aflutter over Obama’s “red line”, Hillary’s reset but it was delivered in elitist language in an elitist tone that some dupes mistake for educated and cultured

    steveg (a9dcab)

  12. yes yes this is what slutbama failed to do (cowardly president)

    we have to stand with the iranian people this time

    we have to stand with them unequivocally and resist sending the mullahs hundreds of billions of dollar

    Thank you President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. They chant Death To America every freakin day, I don’t get it.

    Trump should have just referenced the Iranians striking for more freedom, I mean it’s not like he’s sending them nuke tech or billions in cash while acting like a stable genius but I’m missing the points of the text.

    harkin (e4ec42)

  14. Victor Davis Hanson often refers to Trump as being a “loudmouth from Queens”. Crude, boorish and unrefined. Hanson is correct, but usually goes to his classical history background and circles back to: And so?

    steveg (a9dcab)

  15. Trump’s tweets have been parodied by Gary Trudeau of Doonesbury: Some are bad, some are very good, some are just off.

    These are what ran as his strip on July 22, 2018

    http://doonesbury.washingtonpost.com/strip/archive/2018/7/22

    They are not same as actually on twitter:

    https://twitter.com/realrbhjr

    Here (from April 2017) is a parody of a Trump military threat:

    https://twitter.com/realrbhjr/status/854746517193838592?lang=en

    Gary Trudeau needs to show a drawing of a early 19th century at the latest fleet to make his point, which is actually wrong. (I just remember that Gary Trudeau pretended to take Brett Kimberlin seriously in 1992)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  16. LOL… the days of the Derp State elites running the show, telling us how and what to think and do are over. Fvck ‘em all in their cakeholes, they are done. Same goes for NeverTrumpers of every stripe.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  17. They chant Death To America every freakin day, I don’t get it.

    They sure do — but that’s about to stop, because Donald Trump just said so!

    Let’s all wait and watch to see what happens the next time Rouhani mouths off like this.

    Behind Door #1: Rouhani WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE.

    Behind Door #2: nothing much.

    I’m predicting Door #2.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  18. The press does not fill in the context, when kruschev issued a similar statement after sputnik the assassination of bandera and konovalets, the incoming Castro satrapy, he was on the offensive.

    Thucydides account of the mytilene dialogue and his chara terization of cleon is misleading

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Behind Door #3: summer bummer womp womp all up in it for the mouthy mullahs!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. Ot, have any of you seen rossini’s italiani in algieri

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. Trump brings out the best in some people, the worst in others. He helps both groups realize their hopes and dreams.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  22. #17

    There are never Trumpers here of all plumage and stripe. I like to heckle and chide them, but consider them online family and friends… granted some of them are like the second cousin who gets what a tattoo that is supposed to say neverTrump in Cyrillic when it actually says VODKA!!! it’s whats for breakfast

    steveg (a9dcab)

  23. 22. I think we agree on the concept — we just disagree on what’s the best and worst.

    Appalled (96665e)

  24. I’d bet nothing much happens on the military front too, but I’m pretty sure that after reading Mike Pompeo’s speech on Iran from out at the Reagan Library the other day, that some of the ayatollahs and military men are going to wake up one day with their billions tied in knots.

    Trumps team does understand how to play economic games

    steveg (a9dcab)

  25. If someone says, “I’ll kill you,” over and over, you don’t have to sit there and take it like a battered spouse.
    One of the options is to say, “Bring it, big boy. Make a move and I’ll end you.”

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  26. 3 “Character and competence do not matter to his base”

    It does matter, it’s why we stopped listening to the GOPe and Never Trumpers. Winning and seeing our agenda finally advanced was well worth it.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  27. @17. =Haikumakov!= Brezhnevheit!

    Any Trumpskite who keeps shoveling stupidity for Traitor Trump– from the decks of Trawler Red Fox; on blogs, on editorial boards, in White House press briefings, cowering weakly around Cabinet tables, in Congressional cloak rooms, in bars, bed or otherwise- is essentially complicit; enablers– Russian colluders all.

    Traitor Trump will not be allowed to distract from this. It’s commands repeating this to Trumpskites over and over, – as is their hunger for a daily dose of Traitor Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’

    Traitor Trump, strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, Finland, stood just five feet from Putin, a trained KGB agent, dropped his pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s utter delight, wiped your azz w/t U.S. flag.

    You still be Helstinki, Red Colonel.

    Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. Iran is on double secret probation. Russia takes day shift, America night shift.

    This is best geopolitical wrestling tag team ever.

    Disclamer. Exmilitary and seen it.

    No lawyers or lookyloos on nuclear installations, subs, or bombers. Fight club stuff.

    neal (e0ca71)

  29. Tough Talk from Donald Trump = Barking for Putin.

    Walkies, Traitor Trump! Iran is today’s fire hydrant; pee on ’em; piss ’em off so they’ll shutter the Strait of Hormuz; drive up that price of oil for Vlad. Now make a fresh, warm Helstinki in Lafayette Park. Good doggie.

    “Lou Costello: What makes a balloon go up?
    Bud Abbott: Hot air.
    Lou Costello: What’s holding you down?!”
    – Abbott & Costello, radio routine, 1942

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. President Poodle has certainly given America’s enemies fair warning!

    Dave (445e97)

  31. @31. Trump Steaks were tougher.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Half of the Yew Nork Daily News is now free to pursue their dreams and other opportunities… https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/23/new-york-daily-news-announces-layoffs/

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  33. “We’ve been tough on Russia. Why is it so hard for the media to write about. We’ve repeated it time and time again.” – Tammy Faye Huckabee-Sanders, WH Comedy Hour, 7/23/18.

    Brainwash. Rinse. Repeat, dear.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. See! That’s how it works!

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  35. #7, Liviticus, the real national embarrassment is the inbred Democrat habit of looking the other way every time the mask slips and Americans get a brief, but unmistakable, glimpse at what Leftists are actually doing to undermine our Constitution and the foundations of our national institutions – instead of what senile Democtats on TV say, and say ad nauseam, revised, refined, re-defined, sanitized, and repeated ad nauseam by party PR operatives dominating Big Brother’s national propaganda apparatus.

    ropelight (3a2e6e)

  36. 37. If you are convinced that Democrats have a monopoly on taking away your freedom, I’m not sure I can help you.

    Gryph (08c844)

  37. Not to worry but Obama eliminated Iran’s ability to wage a nuclear war.

    Oh, sorry, for a minute I fell for the media narrative because Obama ensured Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  38. Chairman Haiku – “I got a Little Red Book with me poems in!”
    (With apologies to Pink Floyd)

    Tillman (d34303)

  39. If you are convinced that Democrats have a monopoly on taking away your freedom, I’m not sure I can help you.

    “We’ve repeated it time and time again.”

    Dave (445e97)

  40. 30… you talk tough – or what at least passes for tough with you – ASPCA, but what you did with that pony at the circus in front of little children was truly unforgivable. And I condemn you for it.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  41. Traitor Trump goes full Big Dick w/hard-on for ex-officials, now private citizens, on his ‘enemies list’ talking dirty about The Donald on the TeeVee. Seeks to revoke security clearances.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. @42. Haikhrushchev! -Gesundundstikov!

    Peeeeeeeeeeeee-U.

    Still Helstinki!

    Honor America: Shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. Not to worry but Obama eliminated Iran’s ability to wage a nuclear war.

    Obama got a signed agreement with Iran, including verification, inspections and severe penalties for violation, backed by six other diplomatic A-listers, and said we needed to remain vigilant.

    Trump got a vague promise from Kim, backed by nothing, and said the problem was solved.

    Dave (445e97)

  44. Backed by 6 diplomatic A-listers who all equally wanted to give away the farm to Iran.

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  45. Don’t forget the cash for terrorists.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  46. ConDave got conned? Say it isn’t true!

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  47. Truth be told, 0bama may one day be remembered fondly. His legacy will be his words and actions over the two terms of his presidency were what prompted the overturning of the status quo.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  48. 33. RE; New York Daily News: I was always assuming that their very over the top anti-Trump front pages and some articles was very much part of a business plan. And this editorizlizing goes back to 1994. It was done under Mort Zuckerman.

    Some of what they do is what they think their audience thinks. they seem to be close to members of civil service unions – I mean police and firemen. And I think to Catholics. But they are also a bit supportive of what they think minorities believe.

    Sometimes they have a problem. It’s a problem for them what to say about the Central Park Five.

    That looks to me mostly like a case of the Prisoner’s Dilemma working even when NONE of them were guilty,

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  49. Backed by 6 diplomatic A-listers who all equally wanted to give away the farm to Iran.

    Oh really? Why would Britain, France, Germany or the EU want Iran to acquire nuclear weapons?

    You’re just making up falsehoods.

    And pulling out of the deal has set back Iran’s nuclear program how, exactly, compared to attempting to enforce the deal (which was never done, because no evidence of any Iranian violation was ever put forward)?

    We got to the point we are today, with Iran within a few years of having a nuclear weapon, despite far tougher sanctions than are in place now (since the Europeans did not reimpose their own sanctions after we unilaterally withdrew from the agreement without invoking the enforcement procedures).

    Dave (445e97)

  50. So we’re supposed to get tough with Russia, but treat Iran with kid gloves. You can never please the NeverTrumpers and the Left (excuse the redundancy).

    Ryan (95e5ab)

  51. So if Trump gets hysterical criticism for not confronting that Thug Putin, will he be praised if he confronts the Mullahs, an even bigger thug than Putin, after receiving those threats from Iran?

    No of course not. The MSM gets hysterical no matter what Trump says.

    So the Sky is Falling credo has a predictable outcome.

    william elbel (fd5d32)

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    Please be aware that your personal IQ may be affected negatively by the mental malware, these messages contain.

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    National Institute of Health (NIH) (e95d39)

  53. So we’re supposed to get tough with Russia, but treat Iran with kid gloves. You can never please the NeverTrumpers and the Left (excuse the redundancy).

    False characterization of what I wrote.

    Pulling out of a signed agreement limiting Iran’s program, with strict inspection, verification and enforcement provisions, is not “getting tough”. It’s letting them off the hook, and needlessly alienating and embarrassing our (former) allies. Thanks to Trump’s ineptitude, there is now ZERO chance of convincing anyone else to reimpose sanctions.

    Trump never invoked any of the enforcement provisions. He spent six months posturing to entertain his cultists; the enforcement provisions in the treaty would have resulted in inspections within no more than 24 days from the presentation of evidence of some violation.

    Dave (445e97)

  54. Our Captain’s Credo: “Don’t talk dirty about me, talk dirty to me,”… eh, Traitor Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. Ot, have any of you seen rossini’s italiani in algieri
    So now you want to start a real argument!
    Not seen it, but have a few recordings of it. If you want one, Abbado’s probably the best. And there’s the sequel, in which the Algerian visits Italy, which as a story is downright silly, but musically pretty good.
    I like the opera less than most people. I’d point you to La Cenerentola, his take on the Cinderella story.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  56. Our Captain’s Credo: “Don’t talk dirty about me, talk dirty to me,”… eh, Traitor Trump.

    Questions for President Poodle:

    “Mr. President, were you forced to perform sexual acts on Vladimir Putin during your meeting last week?”

    If the answer is no:

    “So it was consensual then?”

    Dave (445e97)

  57. Above links btw were done with Patterico’s widget.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  58. @37. national embarrassment

    Move over Nick Cage; no cameos for Traitor Trump, he commands the starring role. Top billing, as long as every other American pays.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. @58. B-b-b-b-b-but Gorsuch! And Kavanaugh!

    Dust for jowl prints; little doubt he’s goin’ down. Just like The Big Dick.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. I was interested because they are having some resistance in restaging it today:

    https://www.38north.org/2018/07/sohae072318/

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. “We’ve been tough on Russia. Why is it so hard for the media to write about. We’ve repeated it time and time again.”

    Newly-released photo from Helsinki shows President “Tough on Russia” in action!

    Dave (445e97)

  62. You gotta take out hick Spiro Agnew first or else the Rainbows will wail and moan.

    urbanleftbehind (dccb85)

  63. A commenter above listed the holes in the inspection regime. I thank him for his work, but it’s misplaced. Everybody here knows about them. It’s just that there’s nothing wrong with a deal that disadvantages the US as long as the POTUS’ pants are perfectly creased. Siiiiigh. It’s possible that there might have been this eeeny, meeeny, tiny little bit of an objection to the emasculation of the inspection regime. But that was then. That this barbarian should force us to notice……! It is not to be stood.

    Richard Aubrey (3d7f6e)

  64. I was interested because they are having some resistance in restaging it today:

    Color me not surprised.

    But the only one in the story who comes off looking good is the heroine. The hero is a dweeb, the pasha is mostly a comedic lecher. But he’s the most admirable of the male roles.

    But it’s no worse than Mozart (Abduction from the Seraglio) which is actually a bit more realistic, but depends on an alcoholic Muslim for the story to work out right.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  65. You say you want a heroine?

    Sudanese teenager on death row for killing her husband, 35, after he raped her recalls horrific moment his family helped tear off her clothes, slap her and hold her down
    Noura Hussein, 19, from Sudan, was forced to marry her much older cousin
    When she refused sex, she says her husband got his family to help him rape her
    She reveals how his family tore her clothes off and held her down on a bed
    When he tried to rape her again the next day, she stabbed him in self-defence
    Miss Hussein has appealed her death sentence and is awaiting a retrial

    Daily Mail

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  66. Hey guys, at what point did Larry Hageman turn into Aldrich Ames? Did Trump cause a hurricane to hit New Jersey?

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  67. 43… the reason ASPCA appears fixated on teh dicks is due to a recent falling out he had with Mrs. ASPCA.

    She had complained how he was a lazy ass husband who seemed to be anchored to his BarcaLounger. It went downhill
    from there:

    ASPCA: “Woman, I’m tired of your complaining. I’m going out to find some new pussy!”

    Mrs. ASPCA: “you fool, you. If you had three more inches of dick you’d find some new pussy ‘round here!”

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  68. so there is some progress on the missile front, which after all has been the most concerning,

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. Mr Colonel Haiku

    Don’t women know about shrinkage? The Great Recession of 2009 he called it.

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  70. I wonder what the great legal minds think of Stormy Daniel’s husband telling a divorce court she’s an adulterer? Clerks haven’t done that much research since the 80’s.

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  71. as I was saying pin, it’s stipulated in the file,

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. Latest polls show never trumpers leaving republican party so populist will have complete control of republican party. alexandra ocasio-cortez is doing the same thing and taking over democrat party

    wendell (ba1a4f)

  73. Faisal Hussain AKA “Toronto Man”.

    Canada vs Germany 14-14 in sudden death.

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  74. 77…so that Alex Whatever-ian the once with the Van from April wasn’t Armenian?

    urbanleftbehind (dccb85)

  75. What, you thought that the only thing that went down in Helsinki was Trump dealing with Vlad? SUPRISE: Netanyahu was party to the negotiation! Ten to one Russia is the party that tells Iran to stand down in the very near future.

    John Brennan is now joining Dan Harmon and James Gunn in deleting Tweets and Twitter accounts, as it turns out ‘hire me sir, I’m screwed up personally and can’t be friendly with co-workers or customers so you KNOW you can trust me to carry upper management’s water whatever they ask for’ has kind of a ceiling on its ability to produce creators and spokesmen that people can trust instinctively (and inexpensively).

    Farewell to the Permanent Notionally Bipartisan Security Clearance State, hello again to the Spoils System, turns out we were kind of stupid in the past when denouncing you as the root of all American political evils.

    Steppe Nomad (db4093)

  76. Homeless man on a plain, cite your work.

    Colonel Klink (6d6996)

  77. Hapless Colonel, my predictions and declamations are nothing but conclusions drawn from available facts:

    1. Russia and the US were not the only ones in Helsinki and the only people who want us to believe that are anti-Trump partisans.
    2. Dealing with Iran, who has many sponsors and many possible power centers, is different from dealing with North Korea, which has one Supreme Leader in Kim and one Supreme Sponsor in China, so you need multilateral buy-in and most likely promises of the share of any spoils in case of armed conflict.
    3. We’ve seen this forceful attitude preceding negotiations before. Repeatedly. Like just this year with North Korea, and last year with Syria.

    Outlook: hard to see at the moment through the fog of intel BS but very, very good for Trump, for America, and its allies.

    Please note that I could be wrong and Trump may indeed turn out to be Hitler in disguise still-he already demanded that Germany quadruple its military spending.

    Steppe Nomad (3c7121)

  78. Mr. Netanyahu’s a beautiful beautiful person just like President Trump (truly beautiful people).

    They write the songs that make the whole whirl sing!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  79. I bet you all the sandwiches Mr. Netanyahu’s never smoked a joint in his life or made jokes about pedophilia.

    He’s always lived his life with tremendous moral conviction.

    He’s an exemplar.

    Unlike pot-smoking Disney directors what hahahahaha rape babies or whatever.

    Guardians of the Baby-Raping Galaxy are all hey you should see our next movie just to see how we glorify pedophilia.

    And everyone’s like no thank you that’s not something we’re super-interested in seeing.

    Hey when does the Downton Abbey movie come out i wonder if they bring back the dog.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. “U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley kicked off a conservative conference of high school students on Monday by urging attendees to avoid inflammatory language in favor of demonstrating real leadership.

    “Raise your hand if you’ve ever posted anything online to quote-unquote ‘own the libs,’ ” Haley asked at the High School Leadership Summit at George Washington University.

    The vast majority raised their hands in response, and then erupted into spontaneous applause.

    “I know that it’s fun and that it can feel good, but step back and think about what you’re accomplishing when you do this – are you persuading anyone? Who are you persuading?” Haley asked. “We’ve all been guilty of it at some point or another, but this kind of speech isn’t leadership – it’s the exact opposite……

    …..Haley used a large chunk of her speech to defend the Trump administration’s decision to withdraw from the U.N. Human Rights Council, which she called a joke.

    She also criticized countries she said agreed with the United States off-the-record but would not public.

    “They lack the courage to make a difference,” Haley said. “They have a voice, they just refuse to use it.”

    Haley, who received a standing ovation both coming and going from her speech, posed for students’ pictures for a few minutes after concluding her time.

    “If I can leave you with one message today: Have the courage to stand up to the mob,” she said.”

    Read the whole thing:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/398466-haley-tells-high-schoolers-to-avoid-own-the-libs-style-online?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    harkin (e4ec42)

  81. I think people with mfa degrees are a little squirrelly

    ‘re Netanyahu would be surprised how many in Israel have bibi derangement

    Narciso (591339)

  82. @82. And cheat on their wives, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. Guardian 2 did go a little over the top, with the color scheme

    Narciso (591339)

  84. @71. =Haikhrushchev!= Gosukdikoff!

    Conclusion: collusion, Little Nikita. And still Helstinki.

    Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. Homeless on a plain, so your citation is the voice from your head…OK.

    Hapless Colonel, my predictions and declamations are nothing but conclusions drawn from available facts:

    1. Russia and the US were not the only ones in Helsinki and the only people who want us to believe that are anti-Trump partisans. –Right, there were Finns there too

    2. Dealing with Iran, who has many sponsors and many possible power centers, is different from dealing with North Korea, which has one Supreme Leader in Kim and one Supreme Sponsor in China, so you need multilateral buy-in and most likely promises of the share of any spoils in case of armed conflict.—Umm, WTF does that word salad even mean. So, when the Iranians threaten again, you know, like the Norks did within 24hours of Trumps all caps warning last year, that he retaliated by meeting with Kim and calling him a great and “powerful” leader

    3. We’ve seen this forceful attitude preceding negotiations before. Repeatedly. Like just this year with North Korea, and last year with Syria.—You mean the successful negotiations that even Trump is complaining about with the Norks, and the negotiation in Syria that ended Iran’s further involvement and allowed the US to withdraw.

    Wow, awesome. When the voices in your head were telling you to type that, were they giggling hysterically that you might actually buy that enough to repeat it?

    Colonel Klink (6c8977)

  86. President Trump’s nothing if not faithful and true he’s a star you can steer by a rod you can’t skew he’s the best of men and a testament to fealty to faith and fidelity too.

    He’s our president you see, President Donald Trump!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. The Times and the post and probably the journal won’t tell you this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1021441463392055296

    Narciso (591339)

  88. When you don’t have a plan or a policy after pulling out of a nuclear deal, you say angry words in all caps to turn attention away from a debacle with an ex-KGB chief.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  89. Certainly rouhani is losing support among proxies in syria yemen and elsewhere and the
    domestic situation is problematic.

    Narciso (591339)

  90. I remember when McCain, as a candidate, said “bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran” as a joke, and the media and liberals and paleos went all bats**t about it. Today, we have a commander-in-chief who literally threatened the regime with annihilation, saying the Mullahs will “SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE”. And it’s Trump partisans hating on McCain for being a warmonger? Would McCain have stood next to Putin, prostrating himself before a tinpot Kremlin thug? Unfit.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  91. Has a world leader ever been publicly tickled till they pissed themselves? I dare say its a consequence the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. So until Trump bombs someone stop prostrating yourself all over the internet, your unfit to speculate Paul.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  92. Narciso (591339) — 7/23/2018 @ 6:08 pm

    That info may be out of date
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1021477117652070401

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  93. And you find the brain child of move on, a reliable source.

    Narciso (26e876)

  94. Another anonymous sources official dispatch

    Narciso (26e876)

  95. “The Times and the post and probably the journal won’t tell you this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1021441463392055296
    Narciso (591339) — 7/23/2018 @ 6:08 pm ”

    You probably want to look at the source for the BREAKING NEWS, the Washington Post

    Its not Iran leaving Syria, it’s Is real’s demand for Iran in Syria, expressed to the Russian delegation meeting in Israel. Iran hasn’t agreed to squat. They’re not leaving unless kicked out, and their daddy, Russia, isn’t pushing.

    Russia is leveraging Iran/Israel’s relationship to their own benefit in the region. The US is out of the Middle East peace business now.

    Colonel Klink (bebbb3)

  96. Tarnopolsky is a reliable judge of sources.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  97. 92… very interesting, narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  98. The questions that remained unanswered for a long time were 1) did they inform the fisa court that the DNC was behind this? and 2) did they inform the fisa court that the Clinton campaign was behind this?

    The answer to both is “no, they did not”.

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  99. Well Syria merged with Nasser around 58, I know we’re talking ancient history, although didn’t become a full Soviet client state till after the six day war.

    Narciso (26e876)

  100. Vetted and verified information must be presented to that court… is that not the case? Are those not the rules?

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  101. Haiku, I know this little fact kind of kills your whole scenario, but the fact is…the FISA application said Steele was being paid by a political opponent of Trump to dig up dirt on Trump. The Court didn’t need to know it was the DNC or Clinton in particular to know Steele’s info was biased.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  102. Ah, the smell of tribal loyalty is strong tonight.

    Me, I howl at the moon for the Trumpalo Tribe, long may we continue to vanquish the evil Patterico Plotters.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  103. And hence they should have been extra careful to accept ‘findings’ from a burnt spy who couldn’t even set foot in russia,

    Narciso (26e876)

  104. There is the matter of everything blacked out in those documents
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/carter-page-fisa-applications-trump-cannot-have-vindication-and-redactions/

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  105. Actually the application shows the opposite of what the WSJ thinks it says.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  106. Vetted and verified information must be presented to that court… is that not the case? Are those not the rules?

    Information obtained from drug addicts, gang members and other criminals is regularly used to obtain search warrants, as I understand it, and that is all a FISA warrant is.

    The standard is “probable cause”, Comrade Colonel, not “vetted and verified”.

    And you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that there is page after page of additional, redacted, evidence obtained from some other source(s), that corroborate and support the application.

    Dave (445e97)

  107. You mean there are ~380 pages of redacted information? and the 32ish pages of the warrant unredacted show that the Nunes/Trump story line is clearly a lie. That’s obviously just proof that the 380 other pages is where the deep state conspiracy is detailed.

    Colonel Klink (da79b3)

  108. @112 “And you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that there is page after page of additional, redacted, evidence obtained from some other source(s), that corroborate and support the application.” You read those pages? Outstanding! Can you tell us what’s in them?

    pete (a65bac)

  109. I wonder if those unredacted pages will say Page fully cooperated with the FBI during their 2014 – 2015 investigation, among the reasons why he was never charged. I think the rules are that the info has been vetted and verified.

    I recall other info involving McCabe and Strzok that had earlier been redacted and then made public only appeared to have been redacted because it put the FBI in a very bad light.

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  110. What, pray tell, prevented the cold and frigid judges of the FISA court from asking who Identified Person #1 was if they considered it relevant?

    And what is the Trumpkin purpose of bringing that discussion here except as a squirrel to distract that Trump is “brave” with Rouhani from 10,000 miles away while a pussy with Putin when they’re in the same room?

    nk (dbc370)

  111. “The Court didn’t need to know it was the DNC or Clinton in particular to know Steele’s info was biased.”

    That may pass your smell test, kishnevi.

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  112. It passes my logic test.
    But I will be fair
    Explain to me why it would be so important to know Steele was paid by the DNC/Clinton, and not another opponent like Jeb!or Cruz or Kasich. Or McCain for that matter.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  113. Heck we’ve only been at war since 1979, when they seized our embassy, then followed by training a proxy army in Lebanon, that incurred a mighty body count, from one end of Beirut to the other to Buenos Aires to t1/3 of the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, hey no big deal.

    Narciso (26e876)

  114. One of my arguments against the Iraq war was that every reason given to make war on Iraq applied with greater force to Iran.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  115. That leaves out the fact of Iran still having a full air and naval complement, a whole array of long range ballistic missiles and nearly three times the population. How many troops would we have needed 700,000

    Narciso (26e876)

  116. The documents Wolfe gave to his “ahem” paramour… oh hell, the woman who unredacted his member in return for access to those unredacted, confidential documents, documents which should be shown to the American people without redactions. Tomorrow would be good. (OK, redact sources and methods… whatever the heck that is)

    steveg (a9dcab)

  117. I guess the veracity, justification and righteousness of this case is why we currently see Page on trial for crimes against the US.

    Pull the other one.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  118. Call me a partisan all day long. But show me one goddam Democrat in this country worth casting a vote for. Just one.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  119. @119 NJRob

    Ok, I’ll bite, what’s the hypocrisy? Did they help launder money like the NRA?

    Davethulhu (270006)

  120. Funny that was their advice in the Soviet union, but not el salvador in North Vietnam but not the south etc

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/23/631648110/trump-administrations-support-for-iran-protests-may-backfire-experts-warn

    Narciso (26e876)

  121. Carlson is still saying tonight that according to his sources, Tony Podesta was granted immunity.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  122. Haiku, I will take that to mean you can’t answer the question I posed at comment 118.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  123. 125
    Narciso, if the NYT’s business dealings with Iran are important, then Trump’s dealings with Russia are even more important.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  124. My guess is that small but very hurtful raids will continue to degrade Iranian power and proxy in Syria. Most will be attributed to Israel, but some will be done by Jordanians and Saudis.

    The USN will probably continue and maybe up the tempo of freedom of navigation operations up and down the Iranian territorial limit line in the Gulf (maybe even a bit over into a place where it gets a little squiggly) and I doubt Trump will stand for letting any sailors be humiliated. My guess is Rouhani has been told to professionally escort anyone from the USN back across the line or be prepared to get some practice running medevac operations at sea

    steveg (a9dcab)

  125. Who has enabled both russia and Iran, to the greatest degree possible, who actually aided in the toppling of our allies and replace them with sanctuaries for terrorism?

    Narciso (26e876)

  126. “Explain to me why it would be so important to know Steele was paid by the DNC/Clinton, and not another opponent like Jeb!or Cruz or Kasich. Or McCain for that matter.”

    So it makes sense to you that in a presidential election, one of the candidates should have the ability to pay for unvetted, unverified information, somehow have in presented to a Fisa Court and have an opponent and the opponent’s campaign undergo a federal investigation and have all of that candidate’s campaign communications be subject to seizure?

    Good to know. I don’t agree that that makes sense. So there’s your answer.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  127. #118

    I think it matters a bit more because it is the opposing party.
    Nobody really cares that Hillary cheated *bleeped* Bernie over because it was in house.
    Watergate would have been laughed off if Nixon’s people broke into Pete McCloskey’s office.

    But it does mater in this case to me a bit at least because the Steele fiction was used to spy on the Trump campaign and then for some reason the Obama Administration had Samantha Powers unmasking people, looking at the data.
    I find it hard to believe that the Clinton camp was not fed the data by elements of the Obama administration as a continuation of opposition research. Maybe the FISA judge is a dunce, maybe a political animal, perhaps both, but it should have mattered to the judge…. plus Page was sooooooooo far down the foodchain, he was at best, bait

    Jeb! could’ve had video of pissgate and still lost by a 10-1 margin. McCain too. No one on the Republican side was close

    steveg (a9dcab)

  128. Col you’re right it doesn’t make sense.
    It doesn’t make sense because it didn’t happen that way.
    And it ignores things like a campaign manager with direct ties to the FSB…

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  129. It’s funny that in recent polling, less than 1% of the American people are concerned about Russia. Shows how out on the fringe many commenters here are.

    The number 1 issue for those polled is immigration.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  130. Its awkward coronello, when you consider a drug smuggling operation, that was enabled because its key operative operated for Ukrainian state export authority, but squirrel.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. But they have cover everything with either a cloth or a slathering of borscht.

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. Keep rejecting reality and substituting your own, Comrade Colonel!

    A majority of Americans disapprove of Donald Trump casting doubt about U.S. intelligence on Russian interference in the 2016 election, with relatively modest support for the president even in his own party and among conservatives in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

    The public by a 17-point margin also says America’s leadership in the world has gotten weaker, not stronger, under Trump.

    Dave (445e97)

  133. #140
    Well the world was turned upside down for two 4 year terms.
    Soft Power worked so well. ISIS were JV’s. The Iranians convinced Obama that cash and centrifuges were the key to lasting peace, Putin re-annexed the Crimea, invaded Ukraine using “mercenaries” and Obama believed Putin when Putin said that “no, it’s not my doing, it’s just a popular uprising by ethic Russians… just like your revolution”

    Plus it helps when the media portrays everything Trump says and does as an unprecedented disaster, but his sainted holiness Obama went to Cairo and plotzed, but US media spun it as the most important speech ever by an American

    steveg (a9dcab)

  134. steveg, you are right.

    That Trump could find a way to be even worse than Obama is mind-boggling. They are not really much different in many of their policies.

    Both opposed long-term stabilization of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Both naively thought they could achieve better relations with Russia by appeasing Putin (Obama’s attitude hardened toward the end of his term).

    Both instinctively blame America for the world’s problems.

    Both gratuitously and pointlessly antagonized our closest allies (Obama: Israel, Trump: everyone else).

    Dave (445e97)

  135. Iran’s Foreign Minister responds to President Poodle:

    COLOR US UNIMPRESSED: The world heard even harsher bluster a few months ago. And Iranians have heard them —albeit more civilized ones—for 40 yrs. We’ve been around for millennia & seen fall of empires, incl our own, which lasted more than the life of some countries. BE CAUTIOUS!

    I think it’s an obvious show of weakness that, unlike our Dear Leader, the Iranian DIDN’T USE ALL CAPS, but instead backed down and mostly used words with normal (lower) casing.

    #winning #MAGA

    Dave (445e97)

  136. “Wow, awesome. When the voices in your head were telling you to type that, were they giggling hysterically that you might actually buy that enough to repeat it?”

    OH LOOK IT’S ACTUALLY HAPPENING EXACTLY LIKE THAT:

    “Amichai Stein

    Verified account

    @AmichaiStein1
    Follow Follow @AmichaiStein1
    More Amichai Stein Retweeted Amichai Stein
    #BREAKING: Israeli official: Russia has agreed that Iranian forces will not be present 100km from the border between Israel & Syria, Israel has demanded 3 other points for a full Iranian exit from Syria”

    Steppe Nomad (87ffd0)

  137. @119. ROFLMAO And she ate at McDonald’s, too, Comrade! Then she washed Ruskie cash at Walmart as well! Now before she could skip town, sleeps in ‘freedom’s safest place’…and it ain’t ‘Wayne’s World.’

    @127. LOLOLOL Colonial Willamsburg, Mt. Vernon and Home Depot, too!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. =Haikhrushchev!= Gesundsukov!

    Red Colonel; Russian Troller; chumming for Putin.

    Still Helstinki. Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  139. “An overwhelming majority of Americans don’t think the ongoing probe into whether Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with Russian officials to steal the presidency from Hillary Clinton is that important, according to a new Gallup poll.

    A record-breaking number of Americans (22 percent) think immigration is the most important problem facing the United States, while 19 percent say dissatisfaction with the U.S. government is the biggest problem and 7 percent think racism is the most important issue.

    A combined total of 16 percent of Americans list unifying the country, lack of respect for one another, and the economy in general as the most important issues. The other issues that make it to the top of the list are health care (according to 3 percent of Americans), and ethics and morality (according to another 3 percent of those surveyed).

    The ongoing probe to investigate to what extent Russia was involved in Trump’s electoral victory in 2016 was nowhere on the list of the top eight issues most Americans (70 percent) say are the most important ones the United States is facing.

    Of the Republican voters surveyed, 35 percent thought immigration was the most important issue. Of Independent voters, immigration topped the charts, but a much smaller plurality (22 percent) said this was the most important issue.

    Of the Democratic voters surveyed, a dissatisfaction with government was the most important issue, with 35 percent of Democratic voters naming that as their top issue. In second place among Democratic voters was immigration, with 18 percent of Democratic voters saying that is the top issue.”

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/237389/immigration-surges-top-important-problem-list.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=LEAD&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Immigration%2520Surges%2520to%2520Top%2520of%2520Most%2520Important%2520Problem%2520List

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  140. Oh, yeah, make that Blue Wave happen. These corksoakers can’t be trusted…

    “Finally, we might ask why, absent a very good reason, the federal government should ever be collecting data on our memberships and donations in the first place. What business of the government is it if you belong to a fishing club or the National Association of Realtors, or want to support Everytown for Gun Safety or the NRA?

    Nonetheless, government agencies can be remarkably unwilling to surrender power or information. So praise is in order for Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and acting IRS Commissioner David Kautter for doing away with the requirement. . . .

    Even more interesting, however, is the response of the progressive Left and the press. Because some of the organizations now exempt from filing donor information speak out about issues, or make some political expenditures (legally limited by tax law), this modest regulatory rescission is being portrayed as a victory for “dark money” in politics. Now, the Institute for Free Speech has pointed out repeatedly that “dark money” is the political bogeyman of our times — it amounts to a tiny percentage of political spending in the U.S., and attempts to completely end it intrude on the freedom of law-abiding people without providing any useful information to the public.

    But let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that stopping “dark money” is an important goal. Here’s the thing: The information the IRS had been collecting was required by law to be kept private! So not reporting the information to the IRS has no legal effect at all on “dark money.” Think about that.

    In short, what the progressive and media criticism of the IRS’s decision boils down to is some combination of the following:

    They want to whip up hysteria about “dark money,” even when it is irrelevant to the policy at issue.
    They want the IRS to illegally leak the data collected.
    They hope that a database of donor memberships might be used by a future progressive administration for some unspecified purpose.

    They simply don’t want to give up any potential power over Americans and perhaps hope, if the government is already collecting this information, it will be easier to pass more laws intruding on privacy in the future.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-irs-gives-up-power-for-once-and-the-left-goes-nuts

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  141. The six ‘diplomatic A-listers’ all wanted to sell Iran billions of dollars worth of airplanes and buy their oil cheaply. They didn’t care about nuclear weapons because they weren’t first or second on ‘the list’.

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  142. “The FISA application for surveillance on Carter Page finally was released to the public on Saturday, in a heavily redacted but lengthy version. Saturday is the time that news stories ordinarily go to die, but this one has gotten quite a bit of attention nevertheless.

    The person who has been the most consistently fine reporter and commentator on everything to do with these investigations is Andrew C. McCarthy. As I’ve written many times before, he is also the most knowledgeable and experienced about procedure related to such matters.

    Here’s a video of McCarthy’s initial comments in reaction:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yajJR3iHo

    This is a particularly important admission because confirmation bias would ordinarily cause him to think the opposite. It’s one of the reasons I so admire McCarthy; he can admit he’s wrong. He also isn’t usually wrong. But he has been consistently wrong in thinking that the same agencies (and even in some cases the same people) he used to know in another time and another setting (a non-Trump-Derangement setting) are being on the up-and-up and have some integrity in connection with their actions towards Trump and anything to do with Trump.

    McCarthy can hardly believe the truth he’s learned; it’s so disillusioning. But he does believe it when he sees the evidence right before his eyes.

    McCarthy has had a little more time now to write a column, and he further expands on some of the ideas he touched on in that interview. Please read his column in its entirety. Here’s an excerpt:

    When people started theorizing that the FBI had presented the Steele dossier to the FISA court as evidence, I told them they were crazy: The FBI, which I can’t help thinking of as my FBI after 20 years of working closely with the bureau as a federal prosecutor, would never take an unverified screed and present it to a court as evidence. I explained that if the bureau believed the information in a document like the dossier, it would pick out the seven or eight most critical facts and scrub them as only the FBI can — interview the relevant witnesses, grab the documents, scrutinize the records, connect the dots. Whatever application eventually got filed in the FISA court would not even allude en passantto Christopher Steele or his dossier. The FBI would go to the FISA court only with independent evidence corroborated through standard FBI rigor.

    …[and] in the unlikely event the FBI ever went off the reservation, the Justice Department would not permit the submission to the FISA court of uncorroborated allegations; and even if that fail-safe broke down, a court would not approve such a warrant.

    It turns out, however, that the crazies were right and I was wrong. The FBI (and, I’m even more sad to say, my Justice Department) brought the FISA court the Steele dossier allegations, relying on Steele’s credibility without verifying his information.

    I am embarrassed by this not just because I assured people it could not have happened, and not just because it is so beneath the bureau…I am embarrassed because what happened here flouts rudimentary investigative standards. Any trained FBI agent would know that even the best FBI agent in the country could not get a warrant based on his own stellar reputation…

    …Much of my bewilderment, in fact, stems from the certainty that if I had been so daft as to try to get a warrant based on the good reputation of one of my FBI case agents, with no corroboration of his or her sources, just about any federal judge in the Southern District of New York would have knocked my block off — and rightly so.

    That’s why I said it.

    And what I have to say to Andrew McCarthy is this: it’s not your FBI or your DOJ anymore. You’ve been away for a while, and the entire ethos seems to have changed, and those changes are dangerous. The frenzy to get Trump has caused the people involved to cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil.”

    http://www.neoneocon.com/2018/07/23/the-fisa-application-nunes-was-right-and-its-not-andrew-c-mccarthys-fbi-anymore/

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  143. “DEMOCRATS: TREASON!! VOTERS: HO HUM
    Paul noted earlier today several surveys, including the NBC/Wall St. Journal poll, that found that hysteria over Helsinki had little or no impact on President Trump’s standing with voters. For entertainment value, the opening minutes of this MSNBC program are worth watching. The far-left crew can’t understand why no one seems to care what they think…”

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/07/democrats-treason-voters-ho-hum.php

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  144. So Iran is boiling over, but the press doesn’t talk about it.

    Narciso (1dffc8)

  145. Satellite imagery shows North Korea is taking apart a rocket and engine site on its western coast. The action follows a promise made at last month’s U.S.-North Korea summit in Singapore.

    Via the commies at NPR, so you’ll take it with a grain of salt, I’m sure.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631742025/north-korea-begins-dismantling-missile-site-images-show

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  146. That is a satellite launch facility and engine test facility, not a missile launch site. The ICBM launch facilities still exist, and haven’t been touched.

    This is like when they blew up the nuclear test facility, that had already collapsed. If you recall, it was only last week when it was identified that they were adding additional capacity to their fissile refinement facility.

    Colonel Klink (560714)

  147. Thanks Dave

    How’s the tattoo? Its gonna be hard to remove, but maybe they can just redact it.

    Give my warmest regards to your Uncle Fester

    steveg (a9dcab)

  148. So until Trump bombs someone stop prostrating yourself all over the internet, your unfit to speculate Paul.

    It’s as if Trump was never bombed anyone in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention drone strikes in multiple other countries. Unfit to reply.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  149. So of course don’t trust the commies at NPR, let’s try the Trump lovers over at CNN:

    New images published Monday by the prominent monitoring group 38 North indicate North Korea has begun dismantling key facilities at the Sohae Satellite Launching Station — a move analysts say represents “an important first step towards fulfilling a commitment” made by Kim Jong Un during his summit with President Donald Trump in Singapore.

    An analysis of the commercial satellite imagery captured between July 20 and July 22 shows that North Korea has started disassembling parts of its main satellite launch station — a site that is believed to have played an important role in the development of Pyongyang’s intercontinental ballistic missile program.
    US intel agency believes Kim won't fully denuclearize
    US intel agency believes Kim won’t fully denuclearize
    “Since these facilities are believed to have played an important role in the development of technologies for the North’s intercontinental ballistic missile program, these efforts represent a significant confidence-building measure on the part of North Korea,” according to 38 North’s Joseph Bermudez Jr.
    “Most notably, these include the rail-mounted processing building — where space launch vehicles are assembled before moving them to the launchpad — and the nearby rocket engine test stand used to develop liquid-fuel engines for ballistic missiles and space launch vehicles.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/north-korea-satellite-images-38-north-sohae/

    Or you can just go to the source for both articles:
    https://www.38north.org/2018/07/sohae072318/

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  150. Moar examples of how Trump is Kim’s beeoch:

    “When Trump learned of Otto’s condition, he doubled down on the order for Yun to rush to Pyongyang and bring Otto home,” says the report. “The North Koreans were unilaterally informed that an American plane would soon land in Pyongyang and that United States diplomats and doctors would get off.”

    An anonymous State Department official said the president sounded like a “dad” when learning of the news. He was determined to retrieve Warmbier and bring him back to his parents as soon as humanly possible.

    Y’all are soooo right about what a surrender monkey he is.

    https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1021756289951690753/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1021756289951690753&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  151. Should have sent $100 mill in unmarked bills to Teheran as a real stud would have done. Wimp.

    Richard Aubrey (3d7f6e)

  152. Mommy, I’m so sorry I’m not sober anymore, and daddy please forgive me for the drinks spilled on the floor.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. Javad Zarif:

    “COLOR US UNIMPRESSED: The world heard even harsher bluster a few months ago. And Iranians have heard them —albeit more civilized ones—for 40 yrs. We’ve been around for millennia & seen fall of empires, incl our own, which lasted more than the life of some countries. BE CAUTIOUS!”
    12:04 PM – Jul 23, 2018

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. Go hide in your closet, ASPCA. Be safe.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  155. OMG UNCIVILIZED BLUSTER.

    Those Islamists sure know how to make short work of a civilized society, I’ll give them that.
    And according to Pompeo the Mullahs have their own $95B Hedge fund so they’ve figured out how to do very well for themselves even as their shell of a former civilization continues to crumble.

    But Trump is the problem. ummm ok. you go with that.
    Trump is wrecking Venezuela too, not the socialists that looted the place

    steveg (a9dcab)

  156. @163. =Haikumarov!= Gesplatski!

    Vladimir, Vladimir, on the Kremlin Wall; who’s your Reddest Colonel all?

    Helstinki still. Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. “So what is on pages 10-12 and 17-34? That is certainly a tantalizing clue dropped by the House Intel members, but it’s not clear what it means. Comparing the relevant sections from the initial FISA application, in October 2016, and the third renewal, in June 2017, much appears the same, but in pages 10-12 of the third renewal there is a slightly different headline — “The Russian Government’s Coordinated Efforts to Influence the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election” — plus a footnote, seven lines long, that was not in the original application.

    As for pages 17-34, there appear to be, in the third renewal, new text and footnotes throughout the section headlined “Page’s Coordination with Russian Government Officials on 2016 U.S. Presidential Election Influence Activities.” (That is the same headline as the original application.) The Republican lawmakers ask that it be unredacted in its entirety, suggesting they don’t believe revealing it would compromise any FBI sources or methods.

    Clearly, the GOP lawmakers believe pages 10-12 and 17-34 contain critical information, so it seems likely that the release of those pages would affect the current public debate over the FISA application. That would, in turn, lead to charges that the Republicans were cherry-picking the application and did not want the public to see information that undercuts their position.

    Which is why the application should be released in its entirety, or as closely to its entirety as is possible. Will that happen? At the moment, it appears the only person who can answer that question is Trump.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-next-step-house-intel-asks-trump-to-declassify-rest-of-fisa-application-tantalizing-clues-about-pages-10-12-and-17-34

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


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