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6/15/2018

Quick Takes (Three Different Ones)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:53 am



We’ll Stop It.

FBI agent Peter Strzok tells his mistress in a text message, in response to her concern that Trump might win:

No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.

If I wanted to engage in Trump superfan-level sophistry, I’d obfuscate about what the meaning of the word “we,” is. (Comma included as a salute to Bill Clinton.) But this seems pretty clear to me, even though it’s to a mistress: it’s bias at a minimum and an admission of an intent to misuse law enforcement at worst. I’d like to see the larger context, but it’s hard to imagine it being exculpatory to the guy. Regardless, having a guy like this involved with any investigations related to Trump or Clinton was a big mistake.

New York A.G. Lawsuit Against Trump

New York Times:

The New York State attorney general’s office filed a scathingly worded lawsuit on Thursday taking aim at the Donald J. Trump Foundation, accusing the charity and the Trump family of sweeping violations of campaign finance laws, self-dealing and illegal coordination with the presidential campaign.

I have not had a chance to read the lawsuit, but anyone who denies that Trump has done at least shady things regarding charity either hasn’t paid attention to the news in two years or is a partisan hack who can’t be trusted. The matter has also been referred to the IRS. Oh, dear: another audit … just when we were about to get those tax returns, too.

Comey Private Emails

The I.G. report revealed that James Comey sometimes used personal email for FBI business. Now Hillary wants to pretend that her behavior and James Comey’s was the same:

Oh, please, you dishonest witch.

Allahpundit destroys this so thoroughly, all a time-pressed blogger needs to do is quote him:

The IG found that Comey’s habit of forwarding emails to his personal account was “inconsistent” with DOJ policy that official business should be conducted via personal email only when “exigent circumstances” require, a perfectly fair wrist slap. But what Comey did and what Clinton did are night and day. Comey used a personal account at Gmail, with all of the security that Google provides. Hillary used a personal homebrew server, which didn’t have the same robust security. Comey’s usage seems to have been for personal convenience with respect to certain messages containing attachments. Hillary’s usage was comprehensive — all messages routed to her personal server, which reeks of an effort to evade automatic archiving by government servers. And of course Comey’s use was confined to unclassified business. Hillary’s wasn’t, which is a big deal. And which, again, is why he would have been perfectly entitled to recommend indicting her. There’s staggering hypocrisy in Comey’s email practices, in other words, only if you overlook literally all of the distinguishing features that made her practices so risky and potentially criminal.

Which is just what she hopes to achieve by her tweet. She means to suggest that she and Comey are guilty of the same sin. If he did nothing wrong, neither did she. That’s her message, never mind the classified material that was mishandled, or the other shipping-container-sized scandal baggage she brought to the campaign, or her “deplorables” shots at working-class voters, or her arrogant neglect of Rust Belt campaigning, or a degree of personal unlikability so enormous that it somehow made Donald Trump viable for the presidency. She’s guilty of what Comey’s guilty of — nothing at all. The system was rigged.

He really should have arrested her when he had the chance.

Yes, he should have.

P.S. I hear Beldar actually read the I.G. report. I look forward to his thoughts about it.

P.P.S. If you get the musical reference in the headline, gold star for you. It’s a good reference. Almost worth a quick grin.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

215 Responses to “Quick Takes (Three Different Ones)”

  1. As Byron York points out, there was at least another couple and another official removed back in February of this year.

    In addition appendix g shows a whole solar system of fbi personnel leaking to three reporters

    narciso (f9b4cc)

  2. The difference between Comey and Hillary is the difference between double-parking and driving 85 mph in a school zone. Yes, both are vehicular violations, but one is annoying, the other utterly reckless.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  3. Chris Wray says the hot and horny men and women of the sleazy corrupt fbi remain models of integrity and professionalism

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. So I’m guessing the three reporters are ignatius entous and Shane, ymmv.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. Time for another Church Committee?

    bendover (8f3556)

  6. No because the church and pikecommittee saw the us
    as the main enemy, although nunes could come around to that point of view:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. Regardless barrett Shane and other rizzotto bearers g0have been habitually wrong, but they keep getting fed by mueller

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. 3. I pretty much feel the same way about the FBI that I feel about all cops. Add to that the fact that the “F” in FBI stands for “federal,” and there you are.

    Gryph (08c844)

  9. There’s still no evidence that scummy and moulder werean item unlike watkins and Wolfe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. Comey claimed that he didn’t grasp the significance of the hundreds of thousands of Clinton emails being found on Weiner’s computer because he didn’t know that Weiner was married to Clinton aide Huma Abedin.

    the fbi clown show just gets weirder and weirder

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Yes were at corky Romano level of competence:

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/15/11-quick-things-know-inspector-generals-report

    narciso (d1f714)

  12. There are some areas I would quibble with:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/insubordination-and-bias-at-fbi-1529018176

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. Leonhardt has a fair perspective on Comey and the FBI agents who wrote biased texts.

    In the lead-up to the report, Trump’s allies agreed that this was paramount. “The central question in my opinion,” David Bossie, Trump’s former deputy campaign manager, wrote this week on the Fox News website, “is did Hillary Clinton and her cronies get preferential treatment in her email server investigation for political reasons?”
    And the report’s answer is clear: No.
    Federal investigators and prosecutors did not give preferential treatment to Clinton. They pursued the case on the merits. They were guided by, as the inspector general’s report puts it, “the prosecutor’s assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice.”
    The most significant mistake in the investigation didn’t help Clinton. It hurt her, badly. It was James Comey’s decision to violate department policy and talk publicly about the investigation. If it weren’t for that decision, the polling data suggests Clinton would be president.

    And this.

    Even more, Trump’s allies are focusing on the report’s criticism of two F.B.I. agents who were involved in both the Clinton email and Trump/Russia investigations. The text messages between the two, who were in a romantic relationship, suggest that they were deeply, and inappropriately, biased against Trump. But they did not have the authority to make major decisions about the Clinton investigation. And the one who was still involved in the Russia investigation was removed from the case once his supervisor learned of his attitude.

    And Lawfare has a good take as well. I disagreed with Comey that Hillary’s behavior wasn’t “grossly negligent” and indictment-worthy, but it is reasonable to conclude that the process was fair. Also, the IG report reveals the rampant dissonance that bigtime Trump supporters have regarding Comey. On two occasions, he hurt the Hillary campaign, thus helping Trump, with his infamous pronouncements, yet he’s been consistently vilified by Trump as corrupt and “WITCH HUNT!” Ingrate.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  14. the sleazy fbi handed out immunity to hillary’s bimbos like free rubbers at a a boy scout jamboree

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. oopers a

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. Oh, and Manafort is in jail. While there’s no evidence that Trump colluded with Putin or his operatives, there’s circumstantial evidence to suggest that Manafort colluded with Putineers.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  17. As he collaborate witn kwasnievski solana and Co, like podesta and weber who did the actual lobbying.

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. He was a lobbyist for the Ukraine, mind you yanukovich,

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Podesta shut down his business because of the revelations about his work in Ukraine, and he’s being investigated by Mueller for violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which is a felony. Sounds fair to me.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  20. Don’t forget Team Hillary destroyed evidence regarding the server after they were told to preserve it.

    Laws are for the little people and/or conservatives.

    harkin (e5c973)

  21. No he shut down his business, because he had none after Hillary lost and he spent the buy money on bad art, how about principals at skadden and baker.

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. I won’t be shocked at all if it turns out that the Trump Foundation had engaged in funny business with the Trump businesses and the Trump campaign. That par for the course for people like these. But a question that needs to be asked is whether the New York Attorney General would have been equally keen to investigate the shady financial dealings of the Clinton Foundation with respect to the Clinton political organization and the Clinton family interests. Somehow I doubt it.

    JVW (42615e)

  23. Ask hank greenberg or Exxon or any other of the straw men schneiderman and spitzer behind set ablaze.

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. That’s not quite true, narciso. He took financial hits for his across-the-pond activities.

    His troubles, some long hidden, surfaced in the summer of 2016. The Podesta Group lost its banker over news the firm did work for the U.S. subsidiary of a Russian bank under sanctions. Then came headlines that the firm’s work with Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, and an associate may have violated government rules. And in October, WikiLeaks published 20,000 pages of emails stolen from his brother John Podesta, chairman of Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign.
    The string of embarrassing news accounts disturbed many of the Podesta Group’s corporate clients, companies that preferred to stay clear of such publicity. Mr. Podesta operated as if the whole mess would soon blow over.

    Ironically, his business was tainted by his work with Manafort. He did lose business because Hillary lost, but that’s expected with political lobbying firms, but the timing of his business shutdown is not coincidental.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  25. I got the musical reference. Pigs.

    Aaand Manafort’s in jail and Cohen will cooperate (with the so-called whitchhunt the investigation. Good day so far!

    Tillman (a95660)

  26. *witch hunt

    Tillman (a95660)

  27. On two occasions, he hurt the Hillary campaign, thus helping Trump, with his infamous pronouncements,

    LOL. If given a choice, I think Hillary would gladly choose “infamous pronouncements” instead of an indictment, for doing something Comey himself has said anybody else would’ve been charged with. Trump has hardly been helped by the inconsistent application of the law.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  28. No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.

    It is a recognition that there are others in the FBI doing same things Strozk did.

    Would anyone with a connection to law enforcement care to comment on the leaks all aimed at hurting Trump. Here is the chart. Never in my career as a prosecutor have I seen law enforcement go to this much trouble to influence public opinion. This is not the role of law enforcement.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  29. 3 Classic Indicators of Deceit:

    1. Reinterpreting the obvious in unnatural ways

    (e.g. no, Trump didn’t say that the racists at Charlottesville were fine people)

    2. Ignoring someone’s overall character when analyzing a specific accusation

    (e.g. sure, Trump is best known for being brutally insensitive and politically incorrect, violating every cultural taboo in how he talks, but – hey – when speaking of Kim Jong Un, he’s just trying to be culturally sensitive and “save face” for Kim by praising him)

    3. Employing false equivalencies

    (e.g. Trump may prey on women sexually, but Hillary covered for her husband when he did it = same thing)

    Yes, Strzok clearly was politically motivated. Any other interpretation is an example of #1 above.

    Yes, it’s highly probable that Trump did commit fraud via the Trump Foundation. Refusing to entertain that as a legitimate possibility – or writing it off as ‘fake news’ without looking into it – is an example of #2 above.

    And, no, Hillary’s use of a an unsecured home email server in order to send classified information is not the same thing as Comey using a private Gmail account for non-classified work communications. Equating the two is an example of #3 above.

    LJ (df9cb7)

  30. With regards to the campaign finance misuse issue, this was the whole reason that the Stormy Daniels story has legs at all, but the accusation of misuse of funds to pay her off seems to be totally imagined.

    With regards to Hillary Clinton’s email server, everyone harps on the security issue and Allahpundit briefly touched on the issue of archiving…but I bet with near 100% certainty that that email server was all about circumventing FOIA requests.

    Dejectedhead (81690d)

  31. No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.

    Foreplay.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  32. Added motivation to cover for Hillary’s email problems is that she used her private email account to communicate with Obama, who lied when he said he only heard about Hillary’s private server from the news.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  33. P.P.S. If you get the musical reference in the headline, gold star for you. It’s a good reference. Almost worth a quick grin.

    Not sure if it was the intended reference, but the “Whitehouse” in Pigs does not refer to the house in D.C.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  34. New York A.G. Lawsuit Against Trump

    Funny how the timing coincides with the IG report. How does that happen?

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  35. So we are told, he did the lobbying where’s the indictment.

    narciso (073797)

  36. Comey used a gmail account to email unclassified documents – like edited drafts of speeches — from his personal laptop at home to his FBI.gov email account, so that he would be able to work on them in his office the following day. He does not explain the details — and the IG didn’t go into them — but there was some issue with him being able to connect to his FBI.gov account at his house, so the only way to work on a document at home, and then move it to the government system, was to send it from a personal account to your official email.

    I left DOJ almost 5 years ago. I do not think anything has changed. DOJ has an “intra-net” system department wide. Access is via hardwire, not wireless. Over a decade ago everyone was issued laptops with docking stations and the desk top computers were removed. That way you could travel with your laptop to do work. But while you were away, you were working off-line, and the laptops did not have wireless connectivity for security reasons. And you could not sign into your DOJ.gov email account from outside the network.

    When you returned to the office, and plugged back into the docking station, the machine synced up to the network, and dumped all the work you had done into your account.

    All I can see that Comey did differently is that he used his personal computer to do unclassified work processing, and then used a personal email account to attach that document to a message, and send it to his FBI.gov account, and as he explained he usually copied the message to a couple other people as well.

    The IG found that he deleted all emails daily on his personal laptop, and emptied the trash daily.

    This is “night and day” different from what Clinton did.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  37. 34 — its made doubly-funny by the fact that the NY AG has been in office about 4 hours before feeling the need to rush to the courthouse to get this filed on the same day the IG report hits.

    Had to give MSNBC and CNN some alternative headlines to use.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  38. i remember that from breach, re the louis freeh era, Hansen, didn’t want anyone inside the fbi mainframe, for other reasons,

    come on people we’ve seen this game over and over again, they stole aig effectively from hank Greenberg, and we know the punchline, as for oligarchical ties, consider the fracking king of up state new York, Blavatsky who was one of the partners to the rosneft sale.

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. Very informative, swc, regarding how Comey handled his emails.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  40. @shipwreckedcrew #36 – thanks for the detailed explanation. That’s very helpful in understanding why he did what he did.

    LJ (df9cb7)

  41. Something not pointed out yet that I’ve seen is the trouble inherent in the personal relationship — which led to marriage — between FBI Agents 1 and 5. Their relationship predated the Clinton Email investigation, so when they were assigned their duties, at least the two of them should have recognized the problem.

    Agent 1 was one of four “case agents” on the Email investigation, who were tasked with doing most of the work.

    But Agent 5, his then girlfriend and now wife, was assigned to the “Filter Team” on the same investigation. That means that anytime the investigation took in evidence that might be subject to a claim of privilege, it was first reviewed by the “Filter Team” so that anything that the case agents should not see did not make it into their case file.

    Anyone see a problem with that arrangement????

    Soon-to-be-husband is case agent. Soon-to-be-wife is in charge of keeping evidence away from soon-to-be-husband that he should not see. And she can’t tell him about what he’s not seeing, no matter how juicy or provocative the forbidden information might be.

    That is an arrangement that FBI supervisors should never have allowed to happen.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  42. No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.

    Patterico:

    If I wanted to engage in Trump superfan-level sophistry, I’d obfuscate about what the meaning of the word “we,” is. (Comma included as a salute to Bill Clinton.) But this seems pretty clear to me, even though it’s to a mistress: it’s bias at a minimum and an admission of an intent to misuse law enforcement at worst.

    The IG report said that it couldn’t find any indication this had translated into action (not that there was no bias, but that it had affected the investigation, a nuance missed by some people. But the IG seems to have very high standards for evidence of that.)

    The IG did find that there was no good explanation as to why it took a month to follow up on the lead that Hillary Clinton emails were found on Anthony Weiner’s computer, and all the explanations they did get were lies. (not so strong words, but that’s what it amounted to)

    It speculated that bias may have motivated Peter Strzok to concentrate on the Trump investigation at the expense of the Clinton investigation.

    I’d like to see the larger context

    Without that, it’s hard to tell what it means, if anything.

    I think the other famous comment Peter Strzok made about “insurance” was about doing something in case Trump got elected – he wanted to accelerate the Trump investigation, presumably to the point where new officials appointed by Trump, if he were elected, could not shut it down (without difficulty.)

    One thing about context. These words were not supplied to Congress when when it asked the Justice Department for all materials related to Strzok and Page’s conduct. They were uncovered by the Inspector General.

    John Podhoretz wrote:

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/fbi-agent-who-wanted-to-stop-trump-has-really-just-helped-him/

    Let’s face it: It is highly unlikely that this extraordinarily incendiary text simply vanished of its own accord. Someone almost surely vanished it so that it would not become the subject of a thousand Fox News broadcasts. I think we can presume that special someone was its author, Peter Strzok.

    We actually can’t say that. It may not be exactly a small consopiracy. I don’t know if Strzok was in a position to do so. (but I don’t know details)

    Another thing: Comey claimed he kept the Attorney General uninformed, and he gets critizied for that by the IG. But that’s what the AG claimed to want! I mean she wanted him to make the decision.

    Except, I think, in the version foi eevnts we get from the report, Comey only made a speech, and he did not make arecommendation not to prosecuite – some prosecutors did. (The IG found that the high standards for prosecuting security violations by Hillary was within reason.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  43. Manafort’s bail revoked:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/judge-revokes-manaforts-bail-send-him-to-jail.html

    he is accused of (attempted) witness tampering.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  44. 39-40 — there was a way you could remotely access the DOJ network through a special wireless plug-in that created a wireless connection for the machine. I never had my machine set up to do it because I was told by others that it only worked about half the time, and you repeatedly lost your connection in the middle of working on stuff and had to continually reboot your machine to get the connection back.

    I don’t pretend to know all the details, but the plug in device — weren’t those called network cards or something like that — had security features to protect your laptop from intrusions, and it accessed the DOJ system through a specially created portal which had all kinds of safety features. I remember the office IT guy telling us that use of the remote access was discouraged, but it was there if you really needed it while away from the office — if you had your laptop configured to make use of it. I never did, so I’m not 100% sure how it worked, but the people I knew who tried it told me it was a pain.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  45. I don’t know if Strzok was in a position to do so.

    i thought sleazy slimy rosytwat was the conduit for the information that got sent to congress

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. New York A.G. Lawsuit Against Trump

    At first glane it looks to me like:

    1) Trump did not folllow foiundation lkaw in running his foundation. It had aboard of trustees but the trustees didn’t run it and hadn’t met since 1999. Trump was making all the decisions as to who to goive money to without any kind of form of supervision.

    He also a few times used donations from his charity to help settle lawsuits. This does not amount to too much of a fraction of all of its donations, but this amounts to self dealing, even if his a lawyers – he probably had lawyers who approved of this – did not realize it. It also fulffilled a $32,000 pledge made personally by trump and bought a painting of himself could also be considered self dealing.

    The big one is probabl;y a stretch. Trump skipped a debate and raised money froi veteran’s charities (this is the event where he promised to donate 41 million himself and had to shamed into following through months later)

    The foundation claimed it ran the event. In reality. it only participated and all the decisions were made by trump campaign people. But does that make it a violation of tax law?Probably alot of dfoundations are run as casually, but this one was big, famous and associated with a presdidential candidate.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  47. #30. You have nailed what has made me crazy about the way the Hillary e-mail thing was covered. It was always a naked attempt to keep her writings out of public view. She acted illegally to further an illegal purpose. Comey, by babbling in his news conference about Clinton being extremely careless, made the criminal intent sound like a frivolous stupidity needing a naughty naughty. He also made the case about some weird overreach of national security concerns, rather than a more serious case about a cabinet officer’s willful disregard of standards in place to ensure public accountability.

    Appalled (c9622b)

  48. Sammy — everyone implicated by their own text messages and emails had “explanations” for why they wrote what they did, and interpretations of their messages which were more benign than the more natural connotation that most readers would apply. The authors’ explanations required some tortured logic and a disregard for the obvious in most instances.

    But the IG then “accepted” — because it could not “prove” otherwise — that the author never did anything in the investigation that could be shown to have been motivated by the expressed bias.

    I call BS on all that. We’re not obligated to accept the IG’s judgments in that regard — they are only judgments, not facts.

    It’s impossible to prove that acts “not done” were not done because of bias motives — an investigator cannot read the mind of the subject to know what was considered but “not done.”

    Because the FBI does not record interviews, its impossible to know what follow-up questions were obvious from the Q&A, but not asked, in a given interview.

    And the reader of the interview memorandum (302) only knows what the agent chooses to write down about what the interviewee said.

    Juries reject the testimony of witnesses all the time based on a demonstration of bias even if there isn’t any substantive evidence that the bias played itself out in the sequence of events. The existence of bias undermines the credibility of the person offering the information, and if they are not a credible narrator of events, their version of events can be discounted and disregarded.

    I give no credence to the implicated agents’ claims that “These were my personal opinions, and I never let them influence my work or the decisions I made in any investigation.”

    All jurors understand that we don’t live our lives that way. Our strongly held beliefs influence the things we do and say daily. When someone like an FBI agent can’t be honest enough to even admit that, and wants a juror to believe “It’s like an “on-off” switch in my head”, the juror’s BS meter goes off and that agent’s value as a witness is cratered.

    That’s the natural reaction to the attempt by Strzok and the other agents to spin themselves away from their messages.

    And their bias isn’t just “against” Trump — they have a bias in giving the answers they gave to the IG. All their jobs are at risk for their conduct. They can’t admit that their personal opinions influenced their work, because that would justify their termination.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  49. Nunes is on TV today pointing to some of the information released by the IG, and complaining that the content of these more explosive messages and emails were redacted by the FBI from the documents given to Congress.

    While there have certainly been legitimate disputes raised by Nunes, Grassley, and other in Congress about the illegitimacy of redactions by the FBI based on a few examples they have already uncovered, the release of the IG’s report exposes this issue in an exponentially more dramatic fashion.

    I think it might have reached the point that Trump would be justified in ORDERING the FBI to deliver unredacted copies of all the documents it has previously shown to Congress, to the SCIF at the Old Exec. Office Building, along with an index, and telling the FBI to wait outside while the Reps and Senators look through them.

    I think the FBI and DOJ have lost the “privilege” of deciding for themselves what requires redaction and what doesn’t.

    Too much “bad faith” on their part to continue indulging them in that regard.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  50. I think the FBI and DOJ have lost the “privilege” of deciding for themselves what requires redaction and what doesn’t.

    Such is the inevitable result when government institutions are regarded as “independent” entities. We’ve unlearned what the founders taught us.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  51. Nunes is already in the Gang of Eight, swc. Doesn’t that mean that he already has unparalleled access to classified documents, more than 427 other members of Congress? It would also mean that whatever information that FBI/DOJ would withhold from the Intelligence Committee, Nunes would nevertheless be able to see it, no?

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  52. Spanky, you genius, Manafort was not handed a “sentence,” he was just thrown in jail.

    I don’t think ya hafta be a lawyer to know that a sentence only happens after a trial. How stupid.

    Tillman (a95660)

  53. Speaking of looming indictments, wanna bet this guy gets the Leeland Yee treatment in quick order?

    http://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/06/15/shove-it-dem-rep-ted-lieu-shreds-harvards-outrageous-discrimination-policy/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  54. Yes so were four Italian gentleman from 1965 Boston. Two died in prison Larry barcella put Edwin Wilson in jail for 20 years, he got a big author to write him up

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. I don’t think ya hafta be a lawyer to know that a sentence only happens after a trial. How stupid.

    Tillman (a95660) — 6/15/2018 @ 11:24 am

    But I guess you’d have to be a lawyer to understand that Meuller can keep Manafort in jail for as long as he wants to drag things out. Or, until Manafort sings — whether the tune is true or not.

    Putinesque tactics are needed to keep Putin’s influence out of our democracy, I guess.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  56. Re #55
    That’s why we call it the Deep State. Democrat Nazi operatives throwing people in jail without a trial.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  57. Viking, witness tampering is not legal. You think he should get away with it?

    Tillman (a95660)

  58. Deep State: “There are no rules here. We’re trying to accomplish something.”

    Colonel Haiku (79ca52)

  59. New York A.G. Lawsuit Against Trump

    Any chance attention will be paid to the Clinton Foundation?

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  60. The IG report answers a couple questions I’ve long had about the organizational structure of the FBI’s investigative team in the email investigation, most specifically the “rank” of Peter Strzok.

    Here is how it was structured:

    The “Worker Bees” were Case Agents 1-4, and the Lead Analyst. The Lead Analyst likely had several other analysts performing discrete tasks assigned to them with regard to specific pieces of evidence, but lacked the “overall” view of the case that the Lead Analyst had.

    These “Worker Bees” were supervised by an unnamed SSA — that’s a “Senior Supervisory Agent”. In normal FBI office parlance, that would be a “Squad Supervisor” — someone who would normally supervise the day-to-day operational activities of anywhere between 4 and 12 agents depending on location and the nature of the squad. The SSA works with the Worker Bees daily, evaluating the work product as it shapes up, looking at next-level investigative tasks that have to be decided upon, marshaling the resources needed by the Worker Bees, and reporting significant events up the chain of command.

    Strzok was the next level up above the SSA. So the Worker Bees and their SSA all work for Strzok. The SSA reported to him regularly about what the team was doing, and Strzok and the SSA would decide on what steps they would take in furtherance of the investigation.

    Strzok had a boss, and he was the Assistant Director for Counter-Intelligence. That was Bill Priestap.

    But it looks like the Clinton Email investigation was structured in such a way that rather than Strzok reporting to Preistap — and Priestap would have lots of other “real” counter-intelligence operations to keep track of — McCabe directed that his “Special Counsel”, Lisa Page, be a direct liason between him and Strzok’s team on all matters related to the Clinton email investigation. So it looks like the decision making routed around Priestap in most instances, and that would explain why Priestap seems to have played little or no role in events.

    Any suggestion that Strzok was not in a position to influence the course of the investigation — i.e., that the significant investigative decisions rested with others — is sheer nonsense. Strzok would have had DAILY influence on what the Worker Bees did or did not do.

    And its often the things that are “not done” that are most revealing about bias in the decision-making.

    I think the IG report fairly represents that Strzok’s efforts were blocked many times by DOJ. The unwillingness of the IG to second-guess the decision-making of the DOJ attorneys is probably the biggest negative of the report.

    To call DOJ attorneys at the top of the Obama Justice Department “career attorneys” so as to vest them with a veneer of professionalism and political neutrality is “ROTFLMFAO” funny.

    After 8 years of a particular party being in control, all the “career” officials who have advanced into the top levels of DOJ have made it to those positions by virtue of being promoted there by political appointees.

    I GUARANTEE that there was not a single Federalist Society member anywhere the top 5 levels of DOJ decision making under Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  61. Herr Mueller: Into the cooler he goes. Throw away the key.

    Manafort: Don’t I get a trial or anything?

    Herr Mueller: This is Ger, er… this is America. Although I do appreciate your sense of humor.

    Colonel Haiku (79ca52)

  62. “(e.g. no, Trump didn’t say that the racists at Charlottesville were fine people)”

    I never once took Trump’s statement to mean ‘racists are fine people’.

    I took him to mean that many people who were protesting the removal of civil war statues were fine people.

    Many of them are.

    harkin (e5c973)

  63. Comey used a personal account at Gmail, with all of the security that Google provides. Hillary used a personal homebrew server, which didn’t have the same robust security.

    People, notably Comey, keep on saying that, but I don’t think that was true at all.

    It had better security than Google, and better than the State Department had.

    Actually Hillary was a little bit responsible for lax security at State since the anti-phishing spam filter they added had to be disabled for a while in 2011 to allow her to communicate with people who had a state.gov address. That lasted until Bryan Pagliano, her IT specialist whom she gave a job to at the State Department, managed to quietly whitelist her clintonemail.com e-mail address without getting it officially recorded.

    Here is a list of some of the security features that clintonemail.com had that GMail and State.gov did not:

    1. Not vulnerable to a “phishing” attack, because almost nobody knew her e-mail address, and she did not use it for normal e-mail with outsiders, and so a phishing message would not be plausible.

    2. If she ran into problems, or had any questions, she would personaly call up the SYSOP, Justin Cooper, in New York. A Gmail account does not get this personal attention, and things are not handled by voice.

    3. No backdoor password reset. No password reset at all. Everytime she switched Blackberries, Bryan Pagliano would personally link her balckberry to the server.

    4. Not vulnerable to a dictionary attack, because the password was probably randomly chosen by computer.

    5. Hillary could not give away the password because she probably didn’t know it.

    6. Anything sent to and from the Blackberry was encrypted.

    7. The server had limited throughput and there would not be time to download much of anything without the SYSOP noticing.

    8. The server itself, (the one with the messages) was protected by the Secret Service at the time, although more likely in Bill Clinton’s office in Manhattan and not in Chappaqua.

    In addition to being secure from hackers, her email was secure against subpoenas, whether from grand juries or Congressional committees, something you cannot say about Gmail; and from Inspector Generals (in fact during her entire tenure at the State Department, the State Department had no Inspector General which is the longest any agency had gone without an Inspector General since the time they started having Inspector Generals, in the second half of the Carter Adminsitration); and any future presidential investigating commissions or the president himself!!

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  64. Comey’s usage seems to have been for personal convenience with respect to certain messages containing attachments.

    Comey forwarded some emails to his personal account. This was probably in order to tell better lies.

    Hillary’s usage was comprehensive — all messages routed to her personal server, which reeks of an effort to evade automatic archiving by government servers.

    She didn’t have an official email account, except aybe one she used to fool the White House into thinking she had.

    And of course Comey’s use was confined to unclassified business. Hillary’s wasn’t, which is a big deal.

    Hillary was not likced to the classifed system. She would ahev classified messages sent to Huma Abedin or other aides and printed out. Also faxed to her home where her Phillipina maid, who did not have security clearance (although she had Clinton loyalty approval) gave them to her. (the faxing was not looked at by the FBI. Not weithin the scope of the investigation, I guess.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  65. Viking, witness tampering is not legal. You think he should get away with it?

    Tillman (a95660) — 6/15/2018 @ 11:48 am

    “All that said, I think that the special counsel’s allegations of witness tampering are rather … thin.”

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations

    Mueller plus an Obama appointed judge makes for some convenient rulings. I’m sure if this were Hillary instead of a Trump associate, it would be decided exactly the same. Huma, or Mills, for example.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  66. When Obama was elected, and Eric Holder became AG, if you were a DOJ attorney who was known in the office for being politically conservative, and/or were known to be a Federalist Society member, there was a certainty that you were going to eventually lose whatever indications of distinction you might have earned for yourself through the course of you career.

    While I had contemplated leaving DOJ for a few years prior to my actual departure — mostly because of needing greater flexibility dealing with family matters, and the need/desire to earn more than my DOJ salary — the fact is that in my final two years I lost my status within the office as “Civil Rights Coordinator” and “Environmental Crimes Coordinator.”

    Now that sounds kind of funny with regard to a conservative in DOJ. But my role in those respects involved my being responsible for intake and “first pass” review of police brutality cases — and the big thing in that particular time frame, human trafficking cases. I took the first “human trafficking” case to trial and a verdict anywhere in the country after the passage of the new human trafficking statute by Congress in 2001 (?). I did it without the assistance of the Civil Rights Division, and in the aftermath I was a featured speaker at several conferences on the subject, where I was asked to give a presentation on the case.

    Re environmental crimes cases, I prosecuted officers on a Coast Guard cutter for pumping bilge water overboard without processing it through their “oily water separator” — they were under strict time constraints to get under way for a trip to make the first ever USCG port call in China. With DOJ support, I held the boat in the harbor, and four senior officers were relieved and prevented from making the trip, including the Captain, XO, Chief Engineer, and Propulsion First Mate. That case got attention in both the CG and Navy right to the very top, and my phone started ringing from every different federal agency that was responsible for investigating environmental crimes.

    But, within 2 years of Obama being elected, I lost both those designations. When I left, I had a case list that was populated mostly with “felon in possession”, “addict in posssession”, and similar such “gun crimes”, as well as cases involving the illegal taking of items from a national marine sanctuary (giant clam shells), and importing prohibited species (birds from South America).

    But I’m sure the “career” officials who were my supervisors had no interest in my politics.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  67. @65

    [Manafort] had used multiple text messaging apps and called a potential witness on an Italian cell phone.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/judge-sends-paul-manafort-to-jail-pending-trial/index.html

    That sounds cut and dry to me.

    Tillman (a95660)

  68. Could very well be testalying if you know Friedman was caught in a similar influence scheme ‘re Malaysia, and segar ‘re azerbaijan

    narciso (f8000f)

  69. 48. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 6/15/2018 @ 11:04 am

    48.Sammy — everyone implicated by their own text messages and emails had “explanations” for why they wrote what they did, and interpretations of their messages which were more benign than the more natural connotation that most readers would apply. The authors’ explanations required some tortured logic and a disregard for the obvious in most instances.

    But the IG then “accepted” — because it could not “prove” otherwise — that the author never did anything in the investigation that could be shown to have been motivated by the expressed bias.

    Here is a quote from the report:

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download

    There were clearly tensions and disagreements in a number of important areas between Midyear agents and prosecutors. However, we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias, directly affected the specific investigative decisions we reviewed in Chapter Five, or
    that the justifications offered for these decisions were pretextual.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  70. From Comey’s statement:

    This will be an unusual statement in at least a couple ways.

    First, I am going to include more detail than I ordinarily would, because I
    think the American people deserve those details in a case of intense public interest.

    Am I right swc, that he wouldn’t ordinarily say anything at all?

    This then constitutes a lie to mislead the public.

    Second, I have not coordinated or reviewed this statement in any way with the Department of Justice or any other part of the government. They do not know what I am about to say.

    Strictly speaking, maybe true, but he had probably coordinated that statement with Hillary’s lawyers. Also, the people in the Department of Justice probably knew what the bottom line was. They just didn’t know what his exact words would be.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  71. 138 Text messages between Page and Strzok on July 1, 2016, the day Lynch announced she
    would accept the recommendations of career prosecutors and agents…

    7:29 p.m., Strzok: “Timing looks like hell. Will appear choreographed. All major news
    networks literally leading with ‘AG to accept FBI D’s recommendation.’”

    7:30 p.m., Page: “Yeah, that is awful timing. Nothing we can do about it.”

    7:31 p.m., Strzok: “What I meant was, did DOJ tell us yesterday they were doing this, so D
    added that language[?]”

    7:31 p.m., Strzok: “Yep. I told Bill the same thing. Delaying just makes it worse.”

    7:35 p.m., Page: “And yes. I think we had some warning of it. I know they sent some
    statement to rybicki, bc he called andy.”

    7:35 p.m., Page: “And yeah, it’s a real profile in courag[e], since she knows no charges will
    be brought.”,

    But they didnt know what would be in Comey’s statement. The exact words. Maybe even the reasoning.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  72. #47.
    Exactly how I feel about it. It seems like a concerted effort by both Comey and the media to frame the issue as something that could be explained away as negligence rather than willful intent.

    And that’s what makes the matter very serious.

    Dejectedhead (81690d)

  73. Comey told the OIG that “a friend of [his who] is a law professor” had a law student
    compile a chart showing cases in which the Department made a public statement announcing the
    closing of an investigation. The chart was created in January 2017, and included 31 cases since
    February 2010 in which such statements were made by Department leadership or a U.S. Attorney’s
    Office. Although the chart noted one case in which an FBI agent spoke at a press conference with the
    U.S. Attorney, every case listed in the chart involved a public statement coordinated with or made by the prosecutors.

    You think Comey didn’t know that only prosecutors “ordinarily” made statements? You think Attorney General Loretta Lynch didn’t know that?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  74. Funny Pink Floyd story about their Animals album:

    Roger Waters wanted a picture of a pig over a power plant: the real thing would have to be done, no trick photography. So they bought a huge, inflatable pig and filled it with helium. They got it in the air, but it lost its moorings and was flying around England’s Heathrow airport. There were pilots radioing in “There is a huge pink pig flying around over here!” (Paraphrasing.)
    It landed in a farmer’s field. Imagine him going home to his wife, “Honey, a gigantic pig landed in our field out there!”

    Tillman (a95660)

  75. Think about that the next time you hear the phrase “when pigs fly.”

    Also, to clarify, I read that they ended up using trick photography for that cover shot anyway (since the picture didn’t come out well).

    Tillman (a95660)

  76. Former President Clinton had been in Phoenix for several campaign events, including a roundtable discussion with Latino leaders and a campaign fundraiser, and his plane was preparing to depart.

    So it wasn’t for golf?

    The IG says clintonemail.com was probably not hacked.

    And who are these anonymous “Midyear prosecutors?”

    The IG says the decison not to chareg Hillary was actally based on Section 793(f)(1) – that she didn’t have knowledge that any of the information on her server was classified.

    The issue for the Midyear prosecutors was never whether former Secretary Clinton’s conduct was “extremely careless,” but whether her conduct met the requirements for charging a violation of Section 793(f)—i.e., whether there was sufficient evidence to establish that she knowingly included classified information on her unclassified private email server, or learned that classified information was transferred to her unclassified server and failed to report it. The prosecutors
    concluded that there was not. As described in Chapter Seven below, the prosecutors found no evidence that former Secretary Clinton believed or was aware that the emails contained classified information, or had concerns about the information included in unclassified emails sent to her.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  77. That sounds cut and dry to me.

    Tillman (a95660) — 6/15/2018 @ 12:30 pm

    Yep. Not as cut and dried as the case against Hillary and her associates, but almost. When is Huma’s bail hearing?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  78. Also, to clarify, I read that they ended up using trick photography for that cover shot anyway (since the picture didn’t come out well).

    Tillman (a95660) — 6/15/2018 @ 1:03 pm

    In contrast to the man on the cover of Wish You Were Here, who really was on fire and went through many takes.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  79. Comey announced the non-prosecution recommmendation before the proseccutors completed their analysis.

    Page 253:

    The prosecutors planned to complete their legal analysis after former
    Secretary Clinton was interviewed on July 2, 2016. Following Comey’s announcement on July 5, 2016, they realized they had a much shorter time period to do so and worked until almost midnight on July 5 to finish their legal analysis. They completed this process the following afternoon and provided their analysis and conclusions to Toscas.

    They found a different reason not to prosecute than what Comey had stated.

    Nobody corrected the record. Not till now.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  80. Quick takes…

    Strzok- schmuck.
    Comey- schmuck.
    Manafort- schmuck.
    Portugal- goal!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. Portugal?

    How about “Renaldo – Goal!!!!”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  82. No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.

    If I wanted to engage in Trump superfan-level sophistry, I’d obfuscate about what the meaning of the word “we,” is. (Comma included as a salute to Bill Clinton.)

    I think the preferred term of art among the cognoscenti is “locker-room talk”.

    Regardless, having a guy like this involved with any investigations related to Trump or Clinton was a big mistake.

    “A big mistake” suggests you think Comey somehow knew or should have known what his underlings were saying in private communications with their mistresses. But I’m sure you don’t mean that, so I don’t know what you mean.

    I haven’t read the report yet, but the summaries I’ve seen all say there is no evidence of political bias in anything Strzok and others actually did. So without monitoring the guy’s conjugal communications in real time or reading his mind, how was it a “big mistake” to let him continue to do his job?

    Dave (7eab5b)

  83. I think the preferred term of art among the cognoscenti is “locker-room talk”.

    Yes, Billy Bush was part of a law enforcement investigative team. Same thing!

    “A big mistake” suggests you think Comey somehow knew or should have known what his underlings were saying in private communications with their mistresses.

    Private communications. From the cloistered academia vantage point. The context is real world experience, where nobody uses company devices and calls it private.

    Remember, this peek into FBI bias is just courtesy of the dumbest of the dumb, who used their company phones. Imagine if we actually were privy to private conversations.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  84. Dave — you should read Andy McCarthy’s column today to understand what a farce it is for the defenders of the investigation to say “there’s no finding of bias in what they did”.

    LMAO.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  85. So 5he same reporters appendix g is a guide that were the recipients of a a whole host of bureau personal, pushing the preferred narrative cannot be relied upon.

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. Is it possible Comey did not know Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin were married? FBI agents, either under his direct control or the NY office, investigated this guy. The couple’s wedding was officiated by a guy named BILL CLINTON. Weiner was a Congressman for a long time, a former staffer for Charles Schumer, and NYC City Councilman and a 2 time candidate for NYC Mayor. Abedin has been HRC’s “2nd daughter” forever. There were some fools in the MSM who spoke glowingly of this “power couple” before it all blew up, quite spectacularly.

    Simply this defies any plausible belief. The IG report indicates the FBI took over a month before moving on Weiner for no logical reason. More likely they knew EXACTLY who Weiner was and wanted him and Abedin to disappear as much damaging data as they dragged their feet. Looks like both Comey and the IG both pulled punches here.

    Bugg (08921e)

  87. Bugg, the FBI didn’t give a rat’s ass about Weiner. They were covering for the moslem Abedin because of her “relationship” with Hillary. The last administration was loaded with communists, moslems and moslem sympathizers and Hillary would have continued the corruption and sedition. That’s why they went nuts when Trump won. The infiltration of the highest levels by anti American operatives was about to go public. Spying, graft, corruption, payoffs. Why do you suppose “The Clinton Foundation” disappeared almost overnight? Where did the balance of $145 million in it’s treasury go? That is what they should be investigating. Russiagate was a distraction while all the so-called “charities” and campaign money went bye-bye. And now POOF! it’s all gone.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  88. Particularly the abedin and nassef and at least one other salafi clan, but when the Qataris leak all of ambassador oteibas contact list then they pay attention.

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. @81.

    Hat-tricks aside, it’s a team sport. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. A reader’s professional review of the IG report by David Held:

    The more I read about this, the more I admire IG Michael Horowitz. I have been involved in corporate governance and compliance for almost 20 years and I’ve never seen a better example of self-preservation than the OIG report. Please allow me to explain how much there is to learn from Horowitz.

    Imagine that you are the head of compliance and audit for a publicly-traded corporation (Horowitz), and the CEO (Trump) hates the former head (Comey) of a once-successful business line that has fallen on hard times (the FBI). He was vainglorious and the CEO fired him for his well-documented incompetence. You have been tasked with writing an audit report about that major business line, which has had some issues in the past, and the CEO wants to make some big changes there which do not yet have the support of the board. Needless to say, the CEO ignored his general counsel and has already announced what he wants to do on Twitter. This report is going to be publicly reported, so there’s a lot of attention on what you do. Research analysts now know who you are. The CEO is not against you, but he’s not your friend either, and you cannot count on him to save you from your immediate boss (Rosenstein) who has made it very clear that he doesn’t support this change and your immediate boss is responsible for your compensation. He can and will hurt you. He is never going to agree to hire an outside auditing firm to handle this, so you’ll have to take a position on the future of this business line.

    Rumors of this business line’s incompetence have gotten to the Wall Street Journal, which everyone reads every day. This business line’s issues weren’t a secret despite the fact that not everyone talks about it publicly. Your boss totally knows that there are problems but you cannot really tell just whose side he’s on because he’s smart enough to keep his mouth shut. He might be with the CEO, or he might be in with the fired head and the other corporate raiders out there (Mueller) who are looking to change CEOs. Your boss is probably keeping his options open. If you dissatisfy the CEO and produce a report that exonerates the business line, the CEO may lose his job because he’s counting on this, but if he doesn’t, you’re dead and unlike your boss and the CEO, you do not have a golden parachute waiting for you. Because you publicly screwed this up, no other similar company will ever hire you again.

    What do you do? You look to Michael Horowitz as the gold standard for political acumen…

    An interesting view from the outside of why Horowitz may have written this report the way he did.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  91. An intriguing but flawed analysis, how successful has the bureau been in counterterror, counterintel (the last was a walkin who happened to oversee the Chapman ring) the cyber division, hasn’t been particularly effective.

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. Yesterday was a red-letter day, not quote the indictment pony some of our other partisans were looking for, more than Trump currently has us on a pony installment plan, so it won’t come all at once. First we get a saddle in the mail, then James Comey wakes up with a horse’s head between the sheets.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  93. Who was the last CEO, the fellow who set fires all through the land, who denied the realities in San Bernardino in Boston, in Orlando, who complicates the whole law enforcement strategy in any three venues we can think off.

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. Her is the DJT Pat is trying to warn about…He forcefully opposed the immigration bill being fashioned by Ryan and Co. There was no equivocation. I didn’t quite understand this as Ryan and the GOPe reportedly caved and included $25 Billion in actual appropriations for the Wall. But, DJT was adamant.

    Now? The White House is walking it back and saying DJT will sign the Ryan bill if it gets to his desk.

    Forget the merits of the bill. The point is that we cannot have a POTUS who acts like this. At some point, he simply must be credible. S/He can’t forever be throwing bombs in his rhetoric.

    Keep your eyes wiiiide open on this one, folks.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  95. Another anonymously sourced column, just like the three reporters in appendix g, like the pre summit report that turned out to be in correct, we’ll wait for an actual official on the record.

    narciso (d1f714)

  96. Just as with the Ukraine, some very hitters were in this business, presidents ministers the head of EU at one point.

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. He is demented, Ed from SFV. As in senile. Doty. Second childhood. But we need two-thirds of Congress to agree. Let’s see what happens after the mid-terms.

    nk (dbc370)

  98. While your watching the gorilla channel:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com

    narciso (f373a9)

  99. There does seem a reticence to make certain assumptions, ‘re all this hullabaloo

    narciso (f373a9)

  100. Pink Floyd… if it’s not Syd Barrett’s Floyd it’s not worth my time. I used to cheer L.A. Chief Ed Davis every time he sicced teh cops on their audiences during those Animals shows. He knew what he was dealing with: boda bags, patchouli oil, and a week without a bath.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. 2nd take: Roger Waters. Someone do the world a favor and light that anti-Semitic ass* up.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  102. It seems they wanted thought control after all, coronello, not education, as for dark sarcasm, isn’t that python way.

    narciso (f373a9)

  103. 3rd take: I miss my late friend Kevin who at 6’5”, would do that wacky “One Step Beyond” dance by Madness at the drop of a hat. God that was funny.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  104. @86 To add to your comment on Comey claiming not to know Weiner and Huma Abedin were married. ” “Beyond being too ridiculous to believe, the claim is hardly exonerating. It would mean he was not interested to learn that hundreds of thousands of Clinton emails relevant to a highly charged criminal investigation were found on the laptop of an unrelated man.” http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/15/11-quick-things-know-inspector-generals-report/

    pete (a65bac)

  105. Having dealt with another billionaire and his “charitable” foundation, I expect a lot of mutual back-scratching. The Foundation will be an investor in some Trump endeavors, some Trump business activities will be written off against the Foundation, and some profitable things the Foundation stumbled into will somehow have leaked out to the for-profit side.

    Bet you Bloomberg, Soros, the Kochs, etc have done similar things. From time to time they get audited and have to pay some penalties for their “mistakes.”

    THIS, however, is political. What would be a mistake with Soros, or even the Kochs, will be charged as criminal here (and will leak out long before charges are brought).

    It is also a stupid move, as it just about demands the Clinton Foundation be scrutinized as well, and whatever Trump’s faults, I bet you there aren’t $20 million donations from foreign powers he just did a mitzvah for.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  106. Ha ha charade you are……

    Carlton (20b9c8)

  107. Another take: If the law against advancing the interests of a foreign government without being registered – a felony – are equally applied, Podesta, the Clintons, current and former members of Congress, all sorts of people, will soon be heading to jail… not just Manafort.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. The lawyers in this country have zero integrity. They are an embarrassment to mahogany paneled walls and leather elbow patches.

    mg (9e54f8)

  109. What wouldn’t a lawyer suck on for money?

    mg (9e54f8)

  110. Ah yes I remember that in the dawn of MTV era along with men at work and the police.

    narciso (f373a9)

  111. And Duran Duran didn’t make any sense because I didn’t read Burroughs not that reading him explains it either.

    narciso (f373a9)

  112. Ska! Whoda thunk it, but the Colonel is from SoCal.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  113. It did dovetail with a series of post apocalyptic film, many with foreign producers.

    narciso (f373a9)

  114. Russell mulcahy who did the wild boys video, transitioned over to film with highlander, which came from the fellow behind Wolfen the early 80s were a strange time

    narciso (f373a9)

  115. Even stranger wolfed came from Whitney strieber and Michael wadleigh who did the first Woodstock film.

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. Big Specials, English Beat and Madness fan back then, ULB.

    You weren’t missing much with Duran Duran, narciso. The late 70s/early 80s were pretty cool musically… a lot that sucked, but then there was the Clash, Devo, Elvis Costello, Ian Dury, Oingo Boingo, Replacements, Nick Lowe, bunch of them…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  117. Wolfen… lol… but a decent movie.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  118. So I’ve heard, Joe strummers work gains a new appreciation, the ramones I still don’t get.

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. The Clash show I saw back in ‘82 or ‘83 is still the worst live show I’ve ever seen. Incredibly bad.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. Sometimes they just phone it in.

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. Yeah… just looked it up… June of ‘82 at teh Hollywood Palladium. English Beat opened, they were outstanding. The only thing other than good and bad music I remember was watching one of our group – Lanny – venture into the mosh pit. We were standing back against the wall, drinking beer, boy’s night out… “look… Lanny’s in the mosh pit!… lol… look at hi… Lanny’s down! Lanny’s down! “

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  122. Who’s to say what will happen next:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/06/two-koreas-agree

    narciso (f373a9)

  123. It was always pretty clear that Manafort would be the first of Trump’s henchmen to wind up behind bars, and sure enough, today he coasted across the finish line ahead of the rest of the pack.

    Cohen would have to be odds-on favorite to place, as the Feds reassemble his shredded documents and decrypt his messages, although he is reportedly talking about rolling over on Trump, which could throw the Race for Disgrace into chaos…

    Dave (445e97)

  124. @125: Not sure someone defending MYE corruption is the best judge of disgrace.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  125. Based on the dubious fishing expedition and collaboration, with weasel avenatti, not a good look.

    narciso (f373a9)

  126. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/15/2018 @ 7:49 pm
    Was it as bad as Bianca Berini?
    Let me explain.
    In 1978 the Metropolitan Opera mounted a production of an opera by Donizetti called La Favorita. Donizetti wrote a few good operas (Lucia di Lammermoor, f.i.) but Favorita is not one of them. But they did it to feature Pavarotti, then in the phase of his career when he was still a great singer but obviously loved him that pasta…Then they sent it as part of their then traditional spring tour, listing Pavarotti as part of the cast. And to sing the heroine, Ms. Berini.
    Because it was Pavarotti the performance sold out.
    Then we arrived at the theater to see the management step in front of the curtain and announce Pavarotti wasn’t feeling good, had cancelled, and his replacement was a singer named James Alexander. People left then and there…
    Now Alexander was a good singer and tall and robust, but not as overgirthed as Pavarotti.
    So the opera started and in due course Ms. Berini appeared.
    It was obvious that she had been chosen because her size matched Pavarotti. She put the Big into Big and Beautiful. At one point Alexander moved behind her and was hidden from view. And while not huge, he was not small in stature.
    Then Ms. Berini began an aria. She simply planted herself in the center of the stage and trilled away…and the most boring piece of singing resulted.
    It was the perfect caricature of The Fat Lady Singing in real life.
    I don’t remember if I left then or waited for the end of the first act. I certainly didn’t stay longer. And was glad my student budget allowed me only the cheapest seats in the house…

    kishnevi (dbdcc5)

  127. The times not surprising had a different view of Mrs berini in 2004, when she passed.

    narciso (a6ea21)

  128. It’s quite clear that the left is activating as many of their sympathetic/paid-off judges to rule as out of normal procedure and out of legal precedent as possible in order to GET DRUMPH, still waiting for the real fun to come when an Executive or a Congressman says they’re outright ignoring a ruling and starts daring them to enforce them.

    Remember that the only ultimately real test of a law’s existence is whether people will willingly kill and die for it.

    “BUT THAT WOULD PROVOKE A CONSTITUTIONAL CRI-” spoiler: it never has, the judges and lawyers will just slink back and try their pet rulings again a couple decades later. Popular anger WILL find an outlet for action if continually crushed by managerial procedure, especially if it’s found to be more economical to bribe, browbeat or threaten public officials than it is to file all the right paperwork in the right departments.

    Are any of them more persuasive than our President? Can they command respect, or even media attention, without extreme help from outside? Would anyone willingly follow them into a BATTLE TO PRESERVE ARE HOLY PROCEDURES?

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  129. Let’s recall 10 years ago, judge Jackson was defending William Jefferson 500k in cold hard cash.

    narciso (a6ea21)

  130. Do your holy procedures have anything to do with keeping your bodily fluids pure, Sam? Is this about water fluoridation?

    What sort of battle are you hankering for? Does it involve LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS?

    Beldar (fec66f)

  131. One of the parts of the IG report that I did not take time to read yesterday was the events between 9/27 when the FBI agent in New York began to exploint Weiner’s laptop, and 10/28 when Comey wrote his letter to Congress.

    It starts on page 273 — and its a FASCINATING recounting of events.

    So the matter has been closed for almost 3 months. On 9/27 the Weiner case agent starts imaging the hard drive from Weiner’s laptop but his own computer begins to bog down. Not knowing why, he clicked open a file folder for the email archive and sees that his computer has so far copied 141,000 emails off the Weiner laptop, and it was only half-way through.

    From the screen that is open he can see several email headers that show they were to/from Abedin and Clinton, and showing domain names connected to the Clinton Foundation, State.gov, ClintonForPres., etc. Seven different domains.

    So he immediately briefs it up his chain in NY: To his SSA –> to the ASAC –> to the Acting SAC –> to the Assistant Director in Charge of NYO.

    It was mid-day on 9/28 when the Acting SAC relayed the information to the Assistant Director In Charge. At that moment, the Assistant Director was between two weekly video conference meetings with dozens of other senior FBI managers around the country. The first meeting was for all SACs and above. After that, the SAC’s dropped out, and the second conference was for Assistant Directors and above — about 40 people on the video conference for the second meeting. Comey would normally head up the video conferences, but he was testifying on Capitol Hill that day, so McCabe headed up the meeting in his place.

    So Sweeney — the Assistant Director in New York — gets told about 141,000 Clinton emails on the Weiner laptop between the two video conferences, while the participants are resetting.

    During the second conference he reports to the group on the video link that the case agent in the Weiner investigation has located 141,000 emails connected to Hillary Clinton.

    This is against the backdrop of the fact that Clinton’s attorneys had turned over only about 50,000 emails to the State Dept., which they claimed were the only emails dealing with her officials. They claimed that another 30,000 emails were deleted because there were purely personal.

    Now in the middle of this meeting, the New York Assistant Director tells everyone they have 141,000 emails, and they are still counting. Here’s how the IG describes things:

    Paul Abbate, then the ADIC for the Washington Field Office, recalled Sweeney
    stating that NYO had discovered “a large volume of emails that might be relevant to
    the Clinton email matter” on a computer in the Weiner investigation. Abbate told
    us that he believed Sweeney also provided specific numbers and added that
    Sweeney “very much emphasized the significance of what he thought they had
    there.” Abbate described the moment as like “dropping a bomb in the middle of the
    meeting” and stated that “everybody realized the significance of this, like, potential
    trove of information.”

    Sweeney told the OIG that McCabe responded to his briefing by stating,
    “Hey, I’m going to Quantico. I’ll call you en route.” Abbate also recalled someone,
    possibly McCabe, telling Sweeney that they would “talk offline afterwards.”
    McCabe’s Outlook calendar for September 28 showed that he was scheduled to be
    at Quantico at 6:00 p.m. that evening.

    McCabe told us that he did not remember Sweeney briefing the Weiner
    laptop issue on a SVTC, although he said it was possible that Sweeney had done so.

    McCabe explained that the reports by the ADICs on the SVTC are usually “like 10
    seconds.”

    ROTFLMAO — It only gets better and better with regard to McCabe. And Comey PICKED HIM to be the Deputy Director.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  132. the hot and horny men and women of the sleazy slutty comey fbi were turning media tricks for sports tickets and gaudy trinkets

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  133. 128… close, kishnevi, but sounds like the large lady gets the trophy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  134. Hey guys, go fly a pig over this event:

    The largest Eid celebration in Europe took place in a UK park today with over 140,000 Muslims gathering to mark the end of Ramadan. Record numbers of Islamic worshippers from across the globe flocked to Small Heath Park, in Birmingham, following the religious month of dawn to dusk fasting. Organisers said over 140,000 people attended the event – almost twice the capacity of Moscow’s Luzhniki Stadium which will host the World Cup final next month. Families – some who had travelled from as far as the USA – got to their knees in unison for morning prayers at 9am for the ‘Festival of Breaking the Fast’. They then descended on the numerous food stalls and activities available – which included fairground rides, miniature golf and laser clay pigeon shooting.

    Metro

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  135. The most damning thing in the report was the way blatant lying to investigators was treated by the FBI during the Clinton investigation – and to a certain extent by the DOJ IG during this inquiry – and the way Mike Flynn was treated.

    true

    the fbi sluts blew a huge hole in their credibility

    the idea that a dirty fbi filth-slut has the moral authority to stand in judgment of Mike Flynn is even more laughable than we knew

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. pig is good eatin

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  137. I think mr nk would point out that our FBI would probably entice some poor schmuck into buying fake beans and a non working coffee grinder and call it a win:

    The 29-year-old man, named in German media only as Sief Allah H, is being questioned by police.

    Police stormed his flat on Tuesday and found a chemical which turned out to be ricin. He is suspected of planning a biological terror attack.

    Ricin is a poison found naturally in castor beans.

    German security sources quoted by RP news, which is based in the Cologne region, said the quantity of ricin found was enough for up to 1,000 toxic doses.

    Police have sealed off the apartment block in Cologne-Chorweiler district. They are searching two flats rented by the suspect, as well as six other empty flats and some public areas in the building.

    The authorities say there is no immediate danger to the other residents.

    Experts from the Robert Koch Institute – a prestigious scientific research centre – are with police at the scene.

    Germany’s top constitutional protection official, Hans-Georg Maassen, said it was “very probable that a terror attack was foiled here”.

    German media report that the suspect was investigated after he had bought 1,000 castor seeds – commonly called “beans” – and an electric coffee grinder on the internet.

    BBC

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  138. Our host is kind to express interest in my conclusions when I finish reading the IG’s report, but I’ve only invested another hour or so today in reading it. There may be parts that I end up re-reading before I would feel confident about writing comprehensively about it, and I may end up having nothing particularly interesting or different to say about it.

    Speaking simply as an advocate, though, the IG and his team have already earned my thoroughgoing professional respect. I referred yesterday to the jumble of granular facts contained within the report that don’t fit neatly into anyone’s political narrative. But I do not mean to imply by that description of the disparate facts that anything at all about this report is random or entirely inexplicable. This aggregation and sifting, and then presentation, of the mass of evidence that the IG and his team have collected and reviewed is brilliantly conducted, and it represents very hard and tedious work to do at this level of detail. And as a piece of legal work product — virtuoso lawyering, including the advocacy component of lawyering — I think it’s one of the three or four best pieces of work I’ve ever seen.

    And the master plan behind it, the goal that informed the direction of the IG’s advocacy, is not about proving Trump right or Clinton right or Comey bad or Mueller good or any of those things. This exquisite legal work is being done by a righteous legal angel wielding the sword of justice on the FBI and DoJ, for the generalized benefit of the people of the United States, regardless of how they feel about the 2016 election or Trump or Clinton or Republicans or Democrats or any of that. It is righteous public service lawyering performed skillfully and in the very highest and best of traditions. And while it doesn’t neatly answer, all wrapped up in a bow, all of the political questions the public is currently obsessing over, that was never the IG’s purpose.

    The questions it does undertake to answer, and the multitude of critical judgments it does contain on DoJ and FBI practices and actors big and small, are authoritative, though.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  139. I went for a general feel for the players at the FBI from the report. I would have never believed senior people at the FBI would engage in such puerile behavior. No wonder they lied their asses off about it, it’s embarrassing as hell.

    Some of the funnier claims:

    I don’t know much about communications security at the FBI, but I was careful.
    There’s a policy on that stuff? I had no idea.
    It doesn’t mean what it seems, to every English speaker on the planet.
    Of course you can trust me, I just didn’t think this would come to light.
    And the best, the general surprise that they were caught in the act.

    Allen J. Lindfors (5f3847)

  140. freakazoids robots pleaze report

    pleaze report to the DANCE FLOOR

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. More related to, say, Paul Manafort:

    Chad Ochocinco Johnson Slaps[His Own] Lawyer on the Butt, Sent to Jail 30 Days

    I can’t find the other video but here’s a quick rundown: Man without DL gives a minor driving lessons. She runs over an eight year old boy. They switch places for some reason. He runs down the boy again and kills him. He goes to jail. He bails out awaiting trial. He goes to get Chinese Food in the same car he ran the kid over with. The judge finds out. The judge was not happy.

    Found it

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  142. So am I lead to believe you get your car back quicker after vehicular manslaughter than say your gun after a DGU? I guess I got some details wrong but hey, IANAL.

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  143. Is the IG report more dense than The Simarillion?

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  144. ugh judges just keep getting more trashy and r-worded Mr. puller

    however trashy they are as individuals they’re just trashy as a class now

    berobed trash is all they are it’s so gross

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. Attention ambulance chasing lawyers and race agitators:

    Some guy went into the Los Gatos, CA ER for an alleged anxiety attack and the way he was treated by a doctor prompted accusations of racism. But here’s a Bay Area doctor who goes by ZDoggMD and he breaks it down ZDoggMD

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  146. lol slut-judge Kathleen McHugh didn’t even go to a real college she went to Florida State

    but she did manage to graduate from a tier 4 law school

    you go girl

    so that’s probably a real good feeling

    note this bennie though about her actions in the Chad Johnson case:

    Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (granted she’s a fabulously filth-dirty legaltard barbie herself) weighed in on the case, stating:

    “Although we never condone domestic violence, this event seems to question judicial temperament, not the subject matter before the court.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  147. UPDATE: “Judge” McHugh released Johnson on June 17 after he apologized. She shortened his sentence to the 7 days he had already served in jail. Johnson stated, “I just wanted to apologize for disrespecting the court last time.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  148. (Mr. Johnson’s attorney was impressive btw … his name is Adam Swickle)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. TBF, the patient got sued for libel. NY has different laws concerning online reviews than say, CA or TX. ZDogg makes the point that doctors can’t always respond because of HIPPA so they are fighting asymmetrical warfare.

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  150. Divorce

    Tennille filed for divorce from Daryl Dragon in the State of Arizona on January 16, 2014, after 39 years of marriage.

    Dragon was unaware of the termination of his marriage until he was served with the divorce papers.

    The divorce documents referenced health insurance or health issues, and Tennille had written on her blog in 2010 that Dragon’s neurological condition, similar to Parkinson’s, known as Essential tremor, was characterized by such extreme tremors he could no longer play keyboards.

    Dragon later stated that some of his health problems were the result of errors in dosing his medication, a problem which has since been fixed; he and Tennille remain on speaking terms.

    huh

    who knew

    but here’s this too:

    In 1972, Toni Tennille was the co-writer of an ecology-themed musical, Mother Earth. At that time, Daryl Dragon (son of composer Carmen Dragon) was working as a keyboardist for the Beach Boys. When Tennille’s show was preparing to move from San Francisco’s Marines Memorial Theatre to Southern California’s South Coast Repertory, a call was put out for a replacement keyboardist. Dragon was between tours when he heard about the opening, met Tennille in San Francisco to audition, and landed the gig.

    Dragon later reciprocated by recommending Tennille to the Beach Boys when the band needed an additional keyboardist, and they hired her. She toured with them for a year, and has since been known as The Beach Boys’ one and only “Beach Girl”.

    i feel like i’m not getting all the memos

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. I thought they got divorced, as many couples do, to hide income and assets in the case of a catastrophic health event.

    In England they don’t have that problem because they just give you an overdose of morphine and kill you.

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  152. You gotta check out this guy’s crazy guitars mr happyfeet Justin Johnson

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  153. oh yes that tracks

    i know nothing about these things

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. Mr. Johnson’s backdrop makes me want to move

    i’m thinking of that more and more

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  155. ok that’s bookmarked i need to see him live

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. Just float down that lazy river, mr happyfeet.

    Pinandpuller (59c9fb)

  157. i was looking at “upper mississippi river cruises” the other day

    my feels is if I knew the boat would be relatively empty it would be worth every penny

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. We learn new things everyday. In the last 24 hours, we found out that it is OK for the President to lie. If it’s to the New York Times. The President also said that Paul Manafort “had nothing to do with the campaign”. And then there was this from Giuliani…..”When the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons”

    Alright.

    One… he wasn’t lying to the New York Times. He lied to all Americans. Let me repeat that. He lied to ALL of us.

    Two… Paul Manafort was the CAMPAIGN MANAGER.

    Three… obstructing justice by dangling pardons might, in the end, get a President in a whole lot of trouble. If not, it should.

    noel (b4d580)

  159. It can be construed as obstruction when done in secret but If you dangle pardons right out in the open, you can get away with it. That’s clearly their thinking anyway. We’ll see if it works.

    Remember, they have done this before. Trump said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. Directly on national television. Again, if an investigation had discovered that he said that in private…. it would have looked real bad.

    noel (b4d580)

  160. New Yorkers lie a lot, and the New York Times a lot more and for far longer than Trump. It’s no accident that the leading defamation case is New York Times v. Sullivan. If the NYT gets a story right, it’s by accident. Its editor in chief stated in court that meeting a deadline takes precedence over fact-checking. (That was in the recent lawsuit by Sarah Palin.) If the NYT’s liberal judicial network had not changed the law of defamation for its sake, the NYT would be out of business as the liberal propaganda organ.

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Then I noticed that the President’s lawyer has been pulling this little trick. At times lately, Giuliani will say that he is speaking for himself when pulling some of his stunts. Then, of course, go on to speak for the President.

    I don’t think smart prosecutors will be fooled. It’s a shame that anybody is.

    noel (b4d580)

  162. Dear Republicans.

    The President’s lying is harmful and wrong. Telling us some bull like it’s ok cuz its only some specific media outlet is disingenuous, shameful and stupid. Now… are you going to join him in that?

    noel (b4d580)

  163. 154… no more of that muskrat love? God dammit!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  164. Is that a yes?

    noel (b4d580)

  165. It’s funny… one of my takes yesterday was going to be how much I always disliked hearing Neil Sedaka’s voice… but then I remembered his only song I could stand “Bad Blood”… how it wasn’t too bad… but wait didn’t Kiki Dee sing uncredited vocals in that? No, God it was Toni Tenille… oh f*ck no, that would make it unbearable. Then I came to my senses and remembered it was that other queen, Elton John…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  166. 152… everybody say yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah to Felix Cavaliere…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. I employ a guy from Mexico who doesn’t speak a lot of English. A Canadian goose made a nest by one of the paddock gates and hissed at him while he was walking horses out. He comes back to us after and says, “I do not like the cobra chicken.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  168. Saw the Clash at the pier iN NYC, and then open for the Who at Shea Stadium a year or so later.

    At the Pier, they made the egregious mistake of having the rap act Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 open the show in front of a bunch of white rock fans.

    This venue sold longneck glass beer bottles.

    It did not go well. How nobody was seriously hurt and the show went on, I’ll never know.

    But the Clash was very good at both shows.

    Bugg (08921e)

  169. noel, Mr. Google is not helpful this morning. What lie did Trump tell the NYT?

    nk (dbc370)

  170. LIe-like Obama saying he knew nothing about HRC’s private email while in fact he used it to communicate with her? Which is the reason none of the Dems are ever going to be held accountable. The One cannot come under attack .

    There’s an unreality to these proceedings. No stone will go unturned in the Russia nonsense, but as to HRC, take your time looking at Carlos Danger’s laptop. And he’s married to who? People get questioned but not under oath nor recorded. People who are witnesses and potential targets themselves are allowed in interviews. The AG is meeting Ol’Bill, but the IG says it’s no big deal. And that is because they cannot deal with the alternative, which is the reality. The Obama Administration was crooked for the word go.

    Bugg (08921e)

  171. 121: Cars were far and away the worst live band I have ever seen. They could play their instruments and…that was about it. Didn’t seem to give a ___ about their audience, wanted to play for about an hour and go hook up with models, I suppose. They’re playing MSG, and they treated it like a sound check on a Tuesday morning.

    Bugg (08921e)

  172. That sucks, they were good, especially the guitarist. That’s a fave band I didn’t mention.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  173. he was retained for a month, to wrangle delegates, because omg corey lewandowski, remember, then Bannon and Conway took over, as I say half of europes fmr bureaucracy was lobbying for Ukraine, mrs. veselnitskaya was retained by baker hofstadler, (you haven’t seen any indictments there,

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. reuters put out a similar themed story downgrading manaforts status, but Bugg is right, the strategy is as plouffe, laid out ‘we must not only defeat trump, we must destroy him’ whereas with Hillary we must find every avenue to isolate her from accountability,

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. he was retained for a month, to wrangle delegates, because omg corey lewandowski…

    More like almost five months, and he was campaign chair for just shy of two months.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  176. So, is it racist to accuse Obama of malfeasance, of lying, of subverting the institutions of the Federal government and using them as weapons against political opponents? (Is it still taboo to point out his so-called ‘Birth Certificate’ is as phony as a 3 dollar bill?)

    Does Obama’s status as America’s first black president grant him immunity from even the accusation of criminality, let alone the expectation of investigation, indictment, and prosecution?

    ropelight (f336a1)

  177. I found that the weakest part of the argument, but some people, think his crimes against the polity, aren’t really worth the candle,

    narciso (d1f714)

  178. His legacy of effectively decimating the Democrat party may end up being all the punishment that 0bama, the Chicago Tool, ever receives.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  179. so when the follow who runs both investigations, and his posse, make partisan political remarks, and this is demonstrated in the types of evidence he admits, how can the investigation not be biased?

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. the post covered for fast and furious from the beginning, was mostly inattentive in the irs case, yelled squirrel loudest during Benghazi, why are they are an arbiter of anything? was farenthold anyone of those reporters in appendix g

    narciso (d1f714)

  181. Not “taboo” – just stupid.

    Leviticus (b66d1c)

  182. Does Obama’s status as America’s first black president grant him immunity from even the accusation of criminality, let alone the expectation of investigation, indictment, and prosecution?


    Yes. Plus a $60 million Netflix deal, a $100 million “Obama” library, an $80 million Obama Foundation Fund and we still get to cut him a $400,000 retirement check for the rest of his worthless life. Next question?

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  183. 187.Not “taboo” – just stupid.


    I see you got the memo from the DNC. Cut down on the “racist” slur as it’s been over used and start using the “stupid” slur in it’s place. Very timely of you. Right on cue.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  184. liberals get to impose any law, under any pretext to anyone, and it is ‘the wrong side of history’ their version of hell, to anyone who objects,

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. Every government lawyer should have to shovel pig sh!t for the rest of their lives.

    mg (9e54f8)

  186. I don’t see how anyone can claim Hillary’s e-mail server was a security risk – all she used it for was exchanging recipes and if the Russians had hacked it we’d see Vlad making a fortune off Hillary’s secret chocolate-chip cookie recipe. (Preheat oven to 325. Take two bottles chardonnay….)
    Add to that the fact that the FBI made no move to seize the server the way they did Cohen’s computer, it’s obvious the FBI knew even before the investigation got started there was nothing but cookie recipes on the server, nothing at all in any way potentially incriminating. That’s the real reason they did a half-fast job on the Hillary investigation, they already knew what the conclusion was going to be.

    Jerryskids (cfad51)

  187. Trolls running wild today. Worse than feral hogs on Maui.

    nk (dbc370)

  188. Yea saying the Possom Congress should retire someone, t hats not trolling behavior.

    narciso (a373c5)

  189. All this whining about emails.

    Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons.
    Like Clinton, the Bush White House used a private email server—its was owned by the Republican National Committee. And the Bush administration failed to store its emails, as required by law, and then refused to comply with a congressional subpoena seeking some of those emails.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

    Tillman (a95660)

  190. George W. Bush as president was an entitled and corrupt p.o.s. who got a lot of people killed and maimed and spent an ungodly crapload of money to absolutely no effect

    why would he want all of that documented

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. President trump does what the vast amount of republican want done immigration, trade, jobs, peacemaking and chasing the vermon out of the republican party. we will put up with the rest!

    happy days are here (2a52a5)

  192. “On Thursday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, journalist Nina Burleigh dismissed the Peter Schweizer, the author of the highly-anticipated upcoming book Clinton Cash, as a “right-wing hatchet man.”

    Burleigh, for the uninitiated, is the reporter who infamously said she would be “happy to give [Bill Clinton] a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal.” Burleigh formerly was the White House correspondent for Time Magazine and covered the Clinton White House.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/04/23/reporter_who_offered_to_give_bill_clinton_oral_sex_calls_clinton_cash_author_right-wing_hatchet_man.html

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  193. a $100 million “Obama” library

    food stamp actually wants to fleece the taxpayers out of two hundred million dollars for this ugly useless p.o.s.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  194. I employ a guy from Mexico who doesn’t speak a lot of English. A Canadian goose made a nest by one of the paddock gates and hissed at him while he was walking horses out. He comes back to us after and says, “I do not like the cobra chicken.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/16/2018 @ 6:07 am

    I’ve heard Canadians called Snow Mexicans.

    Pinandpuller (faa40b)

  195. Of course we know what happened to one of Nina burleighs subjects, Mary pinchot meyer.

    narciso (d1f714)

  196. And the GW Bush emails, 22 million of them, were recovered. Some controversy.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  197. “And the GW Bush emails, 22 million of them, were recovered. Some controversy.

    You should have a header that your comment contains spoilers.

    harkin (e5c973)

  198. “Sen. Ted Cruz emerged victorious after facing off against opponent Jimmy Kimmel on the basketball court Saturday. The final score was 11 to 9.”

    harkin (e5c973)

  199. food stamp actually wants to fleece the taxpayers out of two hundred million dollars for this ugly useless p.o.s.

    I imagine Trump’s library will be smaller, since the only book he’s ever read is TV Guide.

    Dave (445e97)

  200. One issue of TV Guide would be more documents than Obama’s library will have.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/12/no-obama-documents-in-obama-library-historians-puzzled-by-chicago-center-plans.html

    And Trump can further out-do Obama by demanding a bigger chunk of a public park.

    harkin (e5c973)

  201. My god, it’s like Yavin Rebel Base. Dumb sh*ts should have built it at contestant site #2 roughly a mile up and 1.5 miles west, but that location was too emblematic of the legacy.

    urbanleftbehind (3b5ee5)

  202. @202 The emails that were recovered were not recovered with any hep whatsoever from Dubya’s admin. That is most certainly a problem, buddy.

    Get this too:

    Bush aides were found in contempt of Congress for not complying with subpoenas in the U.S. attorney firings investigation, but no punishment was handed down.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/g-w-bush-lost-22-million-e-mails/

    Tillman (d34303)

  203. http://times of israel.com/praying-for-failure-trump-and-the-confoun

    narciso (649367)

  204. 208. It was the Bush admin that recovered the emails, per the link from your Snopes link.

    After the groups filed lawsuits over the alleged failures, the Bush Administration used backup tapes to restore emails from 21 days during which the number of messages archived through the official mechanism was unusually low. Bush officials also restored 40 other days selected at random. That process resulted, during the Bush era, in the recovery of the 22 million e-mails.

    And I would be really careful about quoting Ms. Burleigh, the girl who was running interference for Hillary on emails and who said, “I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  205. Meanwhile…..

    The Associated Press
    @AP
    Pope Francis denounces abortion as the “white glove” equivalent of the Nazi-era eugenics program, urges families to accept the children that God gives them.
    _

    Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze
    Well I guess that’s the end of MSNBC & CNN reading from the Bible

    harkin (e5c973)

  206. Whew, I don’t have to scotch my K of C membership card. Frankie is approaching broken military base clock status, nonetheless. And Happy Fathers Day, men.

    urbanleftbehind (3b5ee5)

  207. Was it Stephen Miller who harshly criticized the Pope (om immigration) on one of the Sunday talk shows today?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  208. 213. It was actually Steve Bannon:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-17-18-white-house-chief-strategist/story?id=55946580

    KARL: So what about the religious leaders? What about — you have the evangelicals, people like Franklin Graham calling it disgraceful, Cardinal Dolan called it unjust, unbiblical, un-American. And then you had the pope. The pope —

    BANNON: You know, by the way (ph) —

    KARL: Listen to what — the pope tweeted this. Children must be able to play, study and grow in a peaceful environment. Woe to anyone who stifles their joyful impulse to hope. The pope —

    (CROSSTALK)

    BANNON: By the way, the pope more than anybody else has driven the migrant crisis in Europe, that’s why you have a new government in Italy.

    KARL: The pope?

    BANNON: The pope. Yes. By the way, the Catholic church, they’re going after (ph) Cardinal Dolan. Cardinal Dolan’s attacked me. The Catholic church is one of the worst instigators of this open borders policy. Right? They’re Catholic — and I’m a catholic. I’m —

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  209. Cue Jackson Browne’s “Lawyers in Love”

    Neo (d1c681)


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