My Op-Ed in the L.A. Times About the RedState Firings
I can’t find it on the L.A. Times site, but apparently it’s in the print newspaper, because someone left a comment about it here. I found a version of it here. Quotable:
If, among those who supposedly cherish freedom of expression, certain widespread viewpoints become taboo, where does that leave us? In a dishonest media atmosphere. More and more, conservative writers and pundits will claim to support Trump, whether they actually do or not. Meanwhile, those who refuse to engage in the charade will be increasingly sidelined.
This trajectory, left unchecked, leads to media that increasingly resembles that of totalitarian societies. That may sound like hyperbole — until you switch on Fox News, and realize how much of its programming already resembles state-run media.
Read it all here. And squawk about my alleged hyperbole below in the comments!
UPDATE: Here is the L.A. Times link.
[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]
Ding.
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:07 amHit Trump. Check
Hit Fox. Check
You may have found the way to monetize NeverTrumpin
steveg (a9dcab) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:11 amFair points all.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:11 amVery nice, Patterico.
nk (dbc370) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:17 am2. As long as the page views keep coming from Trump lickers, he’ll never have to worry about traffic. Monetization might be another issue altogether, but last I heard Patterico has a day job.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:18 ambut Salem still employs any number of Trump haters just not at redstate
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:21 am6. It’s been less than a week. Give it time. Over at HotAir, the Trump “hatred” is pretty Lukewarm, and most of it comes from a pseudonymous hack.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:22 amThat may sound like hyperbole — until you switch on Fox News, and realize how much of its programming already resembles state-run media.
This will resonate with many in the media, particularly the “non-partisan” sites and outlets that never fired any pro-Trumpers — since they never hired any in the first place.
random viking (6a54c2) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:22 amWas it the LA Times that hid the Khalidi/Obama tape?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:26 amThis is pretty unfair.
It’s well documented that FoxNews is where President Postliterate Bestwords not only gets 100% of his information about the world, but also has his policy-positions explained to him.
FoxNews (aka the little voice in Spanky’s head) runs the state, not the other way around.
Dave (445e97) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:41 amExcept, you surely understand the difference between the state and a private outfit. The state has coercive powers that a private organization lacks.
There are plenty of outlets for anti-Trump writing. Most of it is childish and uninformative, and most of it is written by leftists and leftist wannabes.
Your real complaint seems to be that the market for thoughtful, conservative writing that is willing to criticize Trump when it thinks he deserves it seems to be small and shrinking. But freedom of expression is not a guarantee that you will be popular or economically successful.
Bored Lawyer (998177) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:42 amThe tone of the LATimes piece is so mild and reasonable I barely recognize the guy who addresses Trump and his supporters here.
harkin (cf32fb) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:45 amOur esteemed host wrote, in the published OpEd:
With that, our host has said, in effect, that we cannot trust those conservative writers to be telling us the truth about their feelings and beliefs if they support the President. (I suppose that he’d make an exception for those who supported him before he won the nomination.) Conservative writers must, therefore, fall into one of two categories:
I am reminded of Tom Perez, the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who read pro-life Democrats — all 14 of them — out of the party. Conservatism is not a monolith: a fairly wide range of issues have ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ sides, and while self-described conservatives are going to generally fall on the same side of most issues, we certainly don’t always agree on everything. There are conservatives who support abortion, while there are others, including me, who are opposed to capital punishment. Libertarian conservatives tend to fall on the opposite side of the immigration issue from others.
Yes, President Trump is obnoxious and boorish and generally an [insert slang term for the rectum here]. But his policies have been, in the main, far closer to conservative ‘orthodoxy’ than otherwise. You have already noted your agreement with him on court appointments and immigration.
Yes, he’s obnoxious, but let’s remember: your preferred candidate, Ted Cruz, most certainly conservative politically, was so obnoxious and disliked — cue John Adams from the musical 1776 here — that his Senate Republican colleagues hated his guts. He is simply obnoxious in a different manner than Mr Trump.
I did not vote for Mr Trump in 2016, and voted for Mr Cruz in the Pennsylvania primary, even though I knew Mr Trump was unstoppable by the time the primary rolled around. I couldn’t abide Hillary Clinton, either, and voted Libertarian. But, come 2020, based on his job as President so far, if he runs for re-election, I will vote for President Trump.
Perhaps you believe the veracity of that statement is questionable?
The Dana respectfully disagreeing (044268) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:47 amI think it was a good job, Patterico. Thank you.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:48 amHey Patterico, I’m writing something I’d like you to include on your site as a guest post. It’s very pro-Trump. I’m sure you’ll agree to post it since you don’t want to contribute to a “media that increasingly resembles that of totalitarian societies.”
I think your logic goes something like that.
random viking (6a54c2) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:49 amGoogle has the cached page from LAT here.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1d5f9PiiJukJ:www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-frey-redstate-20180427-story.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
But, it doesn’t seem to be at the LA Times anymore.
Anon Y. Mous (6cc438) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:57 amImagine a financial blog, publication or TV show decided to include only opinions bullish about the economy. After all, talking down the economy is unpatriotic and might cause the stock market to fall! Whose side are these financial “bears” on, anyway? They’re traitors!
Would that editorial policy make the financial media outlet in question a better source of information if you were interested in the real state of the economy? Obviously not.
Dave (445e97) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:57 amHey Patterico, I’m writing something I’d like you to include on your site as a guest post. It’s very pro-Trump. I’m sure you’ll agree to post it since you don’t want to contribute to a “media that increasingly resembles that of totalitarian societies.”
My experience as a long-time reader of the site is that if your submission is interesting and well-written you stand a good chance of having Patterico run it. As a guest blogger, I can tell you this: Patterico has never tried to dictate the content of my posts and I have never had a post of mine taken down by the host. Lest you think that is only because he and I agree in general about the President, I started guest-blogging here long before Donald Trump announced his candidacy.
JVW (30a532) — 4/30/2018 @ 8:58 amImagine a financial blog, publication or TV show decided to include only opinions bullish about the economy.
Like pretty much all of the major media outlets (except Fox) from 2009-17, when the Recovery Summer was forever just around the corner and 1.5% annual growth was considered to be a harbinger of boom times ahead?
JVW (30a532) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:00 amJVW, I wouldn’t expect otherwise. Which is why I’m sure Patterico will take me up on the offer.
random viking (6a54c2) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:01 amWell played random viking
EPWJ (d94a1e) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:01 amI look forward to reading your post, random viking. It’s harder to do than most people think so I encourage you to get started now.
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:05 amGreat job, Patterico.
Now journalism schools have more reasons to teach opinion-based reporting instead of factual reporting. Why prepare their students for a market that doesn’t exist on the left or the right?
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:08 am“Hey Patterico, I’m writing something I’d like you to include on your site as a guest post. It’s very pro-Trump.”
– random viking
Wonderful! I’m sure you’ll actively defend your statements and arguments in the comments, too, so as to get the full experience. After all, making and defending actual arguments is much harder than making drive-by sarcastic remarks.
Leviticus (efada1) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:14 amI’ve updated the post with the LAT link HERE.
Dana (023079) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:15 amAnd among those leftist and leftist wannabe anti Trump writing outlets is almost the entire news media and entertainment industries. It’s not hard to click onto sites that bash Trump 24/7/365 on the net either.
The idea of “thoughtful, conservative writing that is willing to criticize Trump” is laughable. We are not leftist spoiled children who need to criticize a guy because he’s not one of us. Is this the WHCD and are we a bunch of nasty a-hole comedians? We need conservative writing that helps direct Trump and the conservative cause toward defeating the left, not joining the left’s anti Trump regurgitations. It seems the so called conservatives can’t criticize a policy of Trumps or a position of Trumps without five paragraphs of personal insults about Trump. That’s ridiculous. Criticize his policies not his person. The left does enough of that without us eating our own.
I was for Walker in the primaries but when Trump won the nomination my fight with HIM was over! My fight then became making sure Hillary Clinton did not get access to the government and the Supreme Court and the purse strings. I wish you other conservatives would join me in fighting the real enemy to the American Republic: the radical left democrat party. If they’re going after Trump and you’re going after Trump who other than Trump himself is fighting for our side?
So I voted for Trump because he was the best person running for the job who had a chance of winning. You’re welcome. And like Dana if Trump keeps delivering on conservative policies I will vote for him again. But at this point Trump with all his personal shortcomings has been the most conservative president I’ve seen since Reagan. He’s also been the most conservative Republican candidate since Reagan. He may not be a “real conservative” to you guys but he sure is acting like one so far. And if this makes me an authoritarian, racist and blasphemer to all you virtuous, self righteous folks too bad. Trump’s not perfect, you’re not perfect and I’m pretty close but even I’m not perfect. Live with it and fight to beat the real enemy not your fellow conservatives.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:15 amLeviticus, your drive-by sarcastic remark is duly noted.
random viking (a92711) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:17 amTrust me: I’ll be happy to hang around in your comments section to discuss the arguments in your forthcoming post.
Leviticus (efada1) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:19 amWhen do you plan to submit it, since you’re already working on it?
Leviticus (efada1) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:20 amCalling Fox an example of state-run media is yet another example of our host’s desperate need for anger-management therapy…again – let’s get the crowd funding campaign going – sooner the better. I suppose though, using his TDS twisted logic, it is fair to call this site deep-state run media…as most of the host’s posts merely echo anti-Trump leftist talking points. Sad.
Bill Saracino (78f41f) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:30 amRight. The Wall Street Journal, Forbes and NY Times financial section contained only bullish forecasts on the stock market. For eight years.
(The economy did, generally, improve after the Great Recession, so it wouldn’t be surprising if the tone was, on average, somewhat positive during that time. That is not the same as purging anyone who wasn’t bullish.)
Dave (445e97) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:30 amHIstorically, conservatives have had lots of ideas and weren’t afraid to be criticized. They shared, debated and refined their ideas to come up with (hopefully) the best solutions. We need to keep doing that and accept that criticism is part of the process.
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:30 am“It seems the so called conservatives can’t criticize a policy of Trumps or a position of Trumps without five paragraphs of personal insults about Trump. That’s ridiculous. Criticize his policies not his person. The left does enough of that without us eating our own.”
Agree completely. One gets the impression they stick to personalities because they can’t criticize Trump’s policies. Or more accurately, can’t tell us why McCain/Romney’s policies were OK, but Trump’s were beyond the pale.
rcocean (1a839e) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:31 amLawyers Not getting their way is terrible.
mg (9e54f8) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:31 am26… Well said, Hoagie !
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:34 amThe Rt Rev Hoagie® wrote:
Just to point out that the Rev Hoagie, who remains a friend of mine, was willing to state that I was virtue signalling by voting for Gary Johnson. We have to have thick skins on this internet thingy Al Gore invented!
I opposed the tax cuts, because I wanted to see spending cuts first, and I knew those would never happen. I wish that he’d tone down the tweets. His personal life is a madhouse, and his White House looks like it’s in turmoil. But, for the most part, his actual policies and public accomplishments have been good ones.
The blogger Dana (044268) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:36 amIf teh Dog Trainer will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the Dog Trainer…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:39 amA vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for intoxicating blasts of stupefaction… or is it stupefying blasts of intoxication.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:42 am#NeverTrumpers compulsively spewing their unhinged hatred, ad nauseam, is why Red State cleaned house. The writing is on the wall.
Turning and turning in a widening gyre the center is crumbling, democracy’s centrifugal forces are daily exposing the Obama/Clinton coup’s high level conspirators and their clandestine networks
They can run, but they can’t hide, the only option will be full confession, naming names, and providing documentary evidence, or facing the harsh retributuon of huge fines and long prison terms.
The FBI’s IG report, set for May 8th release, could well be the last straw. After that, imminent collapse will be unavoidable. They’ll be forced into the open to defend their treachery in the court of public opinion.
ropelight (deb479) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:43 amMcCain and Romney both lack the integrity President Trump brings to politics Mr. ocean
they lie a lot and they’re deeply phony and cowardly people: they lie about their policies and betray the trust of people who vote for them
and they do this because they’re timid frightened weak little girl-like creatures who don’t have the courage of conviction
this is why my preference is for bold honest leadership
this is why my preference is for our president, President Donald Trump
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:43 amDittos, Mr feet, well said.
ropelight (deb479) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:04 amLeviticus: When do you plan to submit it, since you’re already working on it?
When there is someone willing to post it.
random viking (a92711) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:20 am@14 The Dana etc
I read that as, “They can’t beat the Trump voters out of the gang.”
Pinandpuller (5ee181) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:41 am40. https://www.redstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/mccain-obamacare.jpg
We’ve had enough of that sort of leadership.
harkin (adad0d) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:44 amMcCain is dying and Romney is running for the Senate. Trump’s opponents are Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. God help America.
nk (dbc370) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:47 am@33 rcocean
McCain’s and Romney’s policies were spontaneously aborted. It happens in 50% of cases.
I remember a long time ago I went to a Quayle rally and got a pamphlet. Sometime in December I was sorting papers and glanced at the front of said pamphlet: “We will…” take a long vacation.
Pinandpuller (5ee181) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:52 amLol at calling Fox News state run media and using the comparing us to a totalitarian society because some people got fired from a small website with a daily traffic count of a couple hundred thousand clicks. There are mukbang channels on YouTube that get more.
Hi (b08ed9) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:53 amDoes Mrs McCain get a bigger pension if her husband dies in office? I was just watching William and Daisy’s bedside wedding Downton Abbey S2 is all.
Pinandpuller (5ee181) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:58 amYou know, the funny thing about nevertrumpers – they seem to think that the behavior of Trump supporters is terrible and awful. And sometimes, it is. But they also seem blissfully unaware of their own questionable behavior.
I don’t like Trump that much. But I recognize there are benefits to the Trump’s administration, and vastly prefer him over Hillary. And, overall, I would say I expected worse from him.
So I am in the firmly Dana camp.
Problem with most nevertrumpers – they don’t even realize there are profound differences between the Dana camp and the MAGA hat wearers.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:00 amI tell you what, I miss the days of the amateur hot take. I liked joke maps with bloggers off the reservation and the not-much-money in it part of the Army of Pundits.
But of course there’s an answer to the RedState sort of retooling, and that’s go peddle one’s own papers. If that seems flippant about a contraction of available opinion, its just that Redstate isn’t necessary and never was to free speech or dissemination of alternate viewpoints.
I think some of Trump criticism came across as mildly hysterical and self-interested, and I think it was influenced by a lot of bad intelligence TBH. And it always smacked of property protection – turf, power, perks, and cash on the line, not so much the great ideas. And there have been tactical errors. I think the savvier response would have been s careful “meh,” and ignoring anything but ideas. The sincere NeverTrumpers should sticking to first principles and arguing well about Things that Matter and doing the hard work of finding someone for the election now three years hence, not actively trying to sully the Prez, which, can’t he manage that himself?
Present company excepted most NT’s of note I’ve come across are really unlikeable people, and that’s with Trump a base level – a person I don’t like, never liked and disliked before it was cool. Trumps chief merit was as means to disappoint Hillary and all the good money thrown after bad people who tried to get a piece of her action; and trolling one’s awful liberal friends into a frenzy of ridiculous behavior that is endlessly entertaining.
SarahW (3164f0) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:03 amnice to see you SarahW it seems your orbit brings you by this way less and less (comet metaphor)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:10 am“It seems the so called conservatives can’t criticize a policy of Trumps or a position of Trumps without five paragraphs of personal insults about Trump. That’s ridiculous. Criticize his policies not his person. The left does enough of that without us eating our own.”
Agree completely. One gets the impression they stick to personalities because they can’t criticize Trump’s policies. Or more accurately, can’t tell us why McCain/Romney’s policies were OK, but Trump’s were beyond the pale. rcocean (1a839e) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:31 am
Me too. I’m so sick of the “yes, but” statements. “Sure his judicial appointments are great, but what about his stupid hair?” Or worse, that thing Patterico does – praise Trump, then say something nasty at the end like “Are you finally satisfied you bootlicking Trumpkin Trolls?”
No, I’m not satisfied with that, not at all. It’s unnecessarily nasty and decisive, and accomplishes absolutely nothing. It devalues the previous praise completely. And that is exactly its intent. It is saying “I guess you were right all along, assholes.” Gee, thanks.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:11 amnevertrump’s inseparable from #theresistance
the endless gritching isn’t a choice for them: it’s all about not “normalizing” president trump – this is fundamental and not something a nevertrump can choose not to participate in
not without losing the social positioning benefits of being part of #theresistance
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:30 amNo quarrel with anything in Patterico’s op-ed: it was logical and fair and its analysis likely correct. But in the LA Times? My only criticism of this blog is that our host doesn’t spend as much time as he used to exposing the LA Times’ biases and idiocies. I hope the publication of his piece means the LA Times is starting to see reason, and not that Patterico is going soft.
RL formerly in Glendale (40f5aa) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:47 amExclusive: Fired RedState Writer Slams Site Over Hypocrisy of Layoffs: We Were ‘Insufficiently Partisan’
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:47 amRL formerly in Glendale,
I’m sure Patterico isn’t going soft all. I know he certainly sees the delightful irony in the LAT, of all places, publishing this particular op-Ed from a writer that has repeatedly taken them to task for their many errors, misreporting and outright untruths over the years.
Dana (023079) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:09 pmIf, among those who supposedly cherish freedom of expression, certain widespread viewpoints become taboo, where does that leave us? In a dishonest media atmosphere.
I imagine that SUPPORT of Trump is the kiss of death in more places, including the LA Times, and likely in many blue-state workplaces. The Left has shown it is ready and willing to drive anyone who crosses its core notions into the sea.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:11 pmThat may sound like hyperbole — until you switch on Fox News, and realize how much of its programming already resembles state-run media.
I hear this a lot from my Marxist acquaintances, and I’ll respond here with the same observation: this is like pointing at the ghetto and decrying the world being overrun by those “others.” The fact is that the mainstream media has behaved like “state-run media” for several decades now, and Fox News is simply filling a mostly-empty market niche. Yeah, Hannity is a toad, but it’s not all Hannity.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:15 pmDid Obama happen to mention those Red State jobs are gone and they aren’t coming back?
I hope Trump can finally get everyone on board not calling ex politicians by their last job title. That’s BS Mr Obama, Mrs Clintons et al.
Pinandpuller (b1375c) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:17 pmName a second right-of-center network news organization of any standing.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:18 pm@55. They just don’t get it, Mr. Feet; the suits run the show, not the talent.
Better to be Jack Donaghy than Liz Lemon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ7QqezgDZI
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:19 pmThe LA Times is desperate for any good news in this trying economic upswing.
Pinandpuller (b1375c) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:20 pmi like the channel without ugly shrieky Ana Navarro
she’s constipated with hate and thrifty but fat-laden nicaraguan one-pot rice dishes
i guess that would be Fox News but if it has shows with spaceships and zombies I probably watch that one instead
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:23 pmIts kind of an opportune time to make a mark on the still-as-of-yet Dog Trainer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/los-angeles-times-patrick-soon-shiong.html
A long way to go nonetheless in a news market where outlets like the Weekly and Curbed are right-of-center by comparison.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:23 pmFeel good story: Anti-Trump competition taken out. Bitterly clinging to hate and contempt in our Urban Fortress like metaphorical white South Africans.
Pinandpuller (b1375c) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:23 pmMy friend and current Kentuckian, The Blogger Dana @36 pointed out I once accused him of “virtue signaling” by voting for Johnson rather than Trump. Allow me to point out that at the time Dana was a Pennsylvanian and we needed every vote we could get here in order to win this state for Trump and the Republicans. That was no time to decide it was okay for Hillary and the left to win by throwing away ones vote because Trump! Fortunately for all involved, I remain in Pennsylvania and through Herculean effort, vigilant campaigning, sign planting and arm twisting among friends and relatives I was able to deliver the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania almost single handedly to the Trump win and the Republican side of the ballot. It was an exhausting undertaking but watching the faces on TV that night was worth every penny and drop of sweat and favor I had to both promise and call. Plus, as an added bonus I got to watch the continuing mental breakdown of leftists demonstrated almost, oh who am I kidding, definitely every day since 11/8/16. Their misery and tears are like music to my ears and Chateau Lafite Rothschild to my lips.
I only wish the neverTrumpers could separate the Man from the Mission and realize neither he nor we are the enemy, Pelosi is, Schumer is, Sharpton is, BLM is, the SPLC is, Antifa is, hate speech is, anti 2nd amendment people are. But not us.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:27 pmthank you Mr. Reverend
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:29 pmI think the thing that bothers me most about this, is the idea that one CAN cocoon on the Right. To do so, one would have to stay indoors, never listen to, read, or watch any entertainment or other broad-based media and certainly never tune on a broadcast channel.
It takes a LOT of work to cocoon on the Right. Cocooning on the Left is easy: just don’t turn on Fox News and don’t subscribe to certain publications. You could go days never hearing a contrary thought.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:29 pmOne America News. It’s new, it’s conservative and the chicks are hot! I don’t watch any news on FOX any longer. I only watch Tucker and some Hannity, but no news shows.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:31 pmHoagie, I have often said that the ideas that Trump brought to the campaign needed to be brought (mainly the elite’s disdain for America and Americans), but that I thought that Trump himself was the wrong champion, since he distracted from the message to put it kindly.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:33 pm@60 Kevin M
BBC?
Scientology was just running a spot on Hannity. “What’s more interesting than what you’ve heard? What you haven’t heard.” Lol.
Pinandpuller (b1375c) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:33 pmHoagie. I have seen One America News. It’s a joke and it LOOKS like state-run media. Even Hannity fans would look at it askance. When I said “of any standing” I had them in mind.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:35 pm@68:
Spot on, Kevin M.
random viking (a92711) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:35 pmBBC right-of-center? There’s a second BBC?
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:36 pmKevin M, I realize One America News is amateur hour compared to other mature network outlets but give it a chance. If it can get enough viewers to survive it too will grow up, hopefully into a lovely and blossoming conservative news outlet with bodacious tatas.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:40 pmWhen I investigated One America News a few months back, I was reminded strongly of Babylon 5’s state-seized ISN under the Clark regime.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:41 pmBut really what I was saying is that of the networks, or even local station groups, there isn’t a lot of right-of-center reporting, and what there is is dwarfed by the tilt to the left.
Maybe Sinclair, but even then it’s a corporate hope not actual boots on the ground.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:44 pmBTW, have any of you noticed in general now much better looking conservative women are than leftists/libs/progressives (or whatever the nom de jour is)? Not just the news ladies and the politicians but just regular folks. The leftist women I know are not-so-hot looking whereas the conservative chicks are generally lookers. The leftist also usually seem so unhappy with themselves, their lives and the world in general And it’s not just because of Trump.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:47 pmSee, I said today would be a day for defending Trump. No telling what tomorrow might bring. I have VERY mixed feelings.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:50 pm79. Even defending the good things Trump does makes me feel dirty. I think that’s what makes me hate liberals the worst these days.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:51 pmWell Kevin M, I live in Jenkintown, a suburb of Philly and the local stations here serve “The Tristate Area” meaning Metro Philly, South Jersey and Delaware and every single local station is 100% left. Not a conservative in the bunch. Not a one. Even the public access is either religious or political loons. Or some idiot trying to get funding for his new musical condom or something.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:51 pm“The leftist women I know are not-so-hot looking”
It ‘cuz of the testicles.
the Bas (3bcea0) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:52 pmCompared to CNN Mr Kevin. I was mostly joking. Al Jazeera and NPR are right of CNN.
Pinandpuller (b1375c) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:53 pmtheir testicles I mean…
the Bas (3bcea0) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:53 pmYeah, Hoagie, which is why when our host rails against this sudden “dishonest media atmosphere” I roll my eyes.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:56 pmWe have a winner! Comment of the day. Now I have to go get my breathing meds and get nebulized and I can’t stop chuckling. Thanks, the Bas.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:57 pmA media exec may peruse the op-ed, smile, then click to the market page and see how the stock is doing:
Salem Media Group, Inc. Class A Common Stock (SALM) Quote & Summary Data $3.2683… up 2.13%.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:02 pmThere’s nothing quite like the happy feeling you get when you go to bed at night knowing you spent the day being a positive voice on behalf of President Donald Trump and the Freedom Agenda.
Some of you never had that experience yet your whole life 🙁
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:28 pm79. Even defending the good things Trump does makes me feel dirty. I think that’s what makes me hate liberals the worst these days. Gryph (08c844) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:51 pm
I agree – in a perfect world we wouldn’t have to have a guy like Trump. We could debate the lefties, and presumably the superiority of our ideas would be amply demonstrated, and would be immediately implemented. Unfortunately, lefties, knowing they would lose immediately in any straight up debate on facts and outcomes, have muddied the water, cheated and lied, and practiced every method of personal destruction possible. The only path forward is an imperfect vehicle, an ideology-free multi-billionaire who doesn’t take prisoners, and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what they say or think.
Many of us, correctly, sense he is our last chance. That no one or nothing else could possibly cut through the progressive B.S. at this point. There aren’t a lot of billionaires willing to take the abuse the left hurls.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:29 pmI hope Trump can finally get everyone on board not calling ex politicians by their last job title. Pinandpuller (b1375c) — 4/30/2018 @ 12:17 pm
Honestly, it is a little thing, but so important to me. Just because you once held an office, doesn’t entitle you to be called by that office forever. Judges are only judges when they are working. When they retire, the become Mr. or Ms. Same for governors, presidents, mayors…
They are not royalty, their titles belong to us, the people. The titles are revoked when they leave office. keeping the title is not a sign of respect, but of deference.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:35 pmDoes anyone else notice the irony of Patterico calling Fox News “state run media” on the pages of the LA Times….which is still hiding the Khalidi tape?
Hi (b08ed9) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:36 pmi don’t agree i think it’s a lovely habit people have, and it’s loveliest in your smaller communities where people are coach or mayor or judge for all their days after
it’s wholesome and appropriate that people remain so reflexively mindful of the roles other people have had in serving their community
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:39 pmNot precisely.
More like a partisan media, with nobody big being honest. We don’t need that.
A two-party media system.
One faction being “fish” and the other being “fowl” as Ace says.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:42 pmThis also aides lobbyists.
And nothing good would get done, because neither side is right.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:44 pmIn the first half of the 1800s there was largely partisan press in the United States, with a few publications that tried not to be or not to be too much. Or at least self-proclaimed that.
Those became the major outlets later.
The problem is, can smaller outlets come to people’s attention?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:49 pmI disagree. Patterico has acknowledged Salem can do this so if he has any complaint, it is not that he thinks Salem should subsedize unpopular ideas. I think his point (and mine) is that we should acknowledge that the way this has been done may result in fewer people willing to criticize Trump. (That is probably a good thing to the majority of Republicans, who have apparently decided political criticism isn’t helpful or has no function. I hope as a lawyer, even a bored one, that you don’t share that view.)
If supporting (or not hurting) Trump is the goal, I also think Salem should be honest and not present this as an economic decision. Dishonesty as part of a business model can cause problems when the truth comes out. In addition, if Salem wants to please Trump and his supporters, why not say so and get the full benefit?
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:23 pmPlease help me understand why you say this, Cassandra.
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:26 pmI honestly never thought I would live to see this day. The LAT welcomed a genuine op-ed piece from Patrick Frey?!
Well, I guess it was a must that the piece be critical of prominent conservatives. Yet and still…WOW.
Very well done, Pat. We’ll never know, but I would love to somehow learn if the piece would have been accepted without the (thoroughly deserved) shot at FoxNews.
I do not find fault with any of it. I would only hope I could write as cleanly and well.
Ed from SFV (291f4c) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:32 pmI think his point (and mine) is that we should acknowledge that the way this has been done may result in fewer people willing to criticize Trump.
my guess is whatever chilling effect the redstate red wedding will on people that wanna gritch about President Trump is vastly less than the chilling effect the dirty Nazi FBI’s raid on the president’s lawyer will have on the president’s ability to retain legal advice
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:33 pmugh will *have* on people what wanna gritch i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:37 pmThe problem probably was that RedState was not independent, because an indepedent RedState probably would not ahve done this (unless it fell into the hands of a real eccentric)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:38 pmThey are not royalty, their titles belong to us, the people. The titles are revoked when they leave office. keeping the title is not a sign of respect, but of deference.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 1:35 pm
If Judge Wapner were still with us I’d make an exception for him. At least he was still in public service.
Pinandpuller (0344e4) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:39 pmmy guess is whatever chilling effect the redstate red wedding will on people that wanna gritch about President Trump is vastly less than the chilling effect the dirty Nazi FBI’s raid on the president’s lawyer will have on the president’s ability to retain legal advice
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:33 pm
At least Michelle DireWolf had take out.
Pinandpuller (0344e4) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:40 pm99. Do you know that Democrats on the New York City Council are (probably unwittingly) trying to pull Trump lawyer Michael Cohen’s chestnuts out of the fire?
They want to help the taxi medallion owners.
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20180301/POLITICS/180309988/city-council-bill-aims-to-kneecap-uber-and-lyft
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20180301/POLITICS/180309988/city-council-bill-aims-to-kneecap-uber-and-lyft
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:41 pmI meant this as my second link:
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20180425/POLITICS/180429920/bill-to-handicap-uber-introduced-in-new-york-city-council
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:43 pmshe’s kind of a tranny i think Mr. puller
like who at the WHCD would be really shocked to see Michelle Wolf standing at a urinal next to them
(while Jake Tapper’s doing one of his decorous sit-down peepees in the stalls)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:53 pmI have no problem with the press being partisan, providing they state they are and providing there is partisan representation for both sides. If CNN would start off with James Earl Jones voice saying “This is CNN, your leftist news network” I’d be fine. And so long as for every CNN there was a ConNet (conservative network) I’d be tickled pink. But when all the channels sit around and intimate they’re non partisan and fair then I have a problem.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:05 pmLuck runs cold and hot. Like horses or hotrods. Times change, buffalo sort of roam in circles.
Probably should save the bitching and moaning for a final death scream. Of course, that would be hell full of thinkers.
When exactly did the media get the talking stick to make some care? Not like the gods are paying any attention.
neal (297fb8) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:22 pmClearly your “Cassandra” moniker was well-chosen…
Trump can only be president for another 6.5 years. Would you support repealing the two term limit? Or canceling future elections entirely so he can be president for life?
Even then, unless you believe he’s God incarnate, he can’t be there to save us forever, can he? In the long run, unless Trump manages to institute forced sterilization of minorities to reverse century-long demographic trends, and repeal of the constitution, we’re screwed anyway, aren’t we?
Dave (7435a7) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:22 pm109. The tendancy of Trump supporters to act like he’s the second coming of Christ is one thing of several about them that turns me off.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:30 pm@108. Luck runs cold and hot. Like horses or hotrods…
15 Car Doppelgängers – Motor Trend
http://www.motortrend.com/news/15-car-doppelgangers
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:31 pmMr M wrote:
It’s difficult to call Mr Trump the “wrong champion,” since is is the champion, he actually won the title, in what everyone regarded as a huge upset. 🙂
Further, his victory has the left so spittle-flying angry that they’ve come up with no alternative policies at all, just total opposition to President Trump, and what’s that accomplishing; even in the Pyrite State, you have some communities filing suit against the state’s sanctuary policies. We had the spectacle of the Democrats trying to stop the confirmation of Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State, right after he got back from North Korea, laying the groundwork for the Trump/Kim summit, and just before it looks like peace might break out on the Korean peninsula. Whatever rational thoughts that the Democrats have had, they have lost in their shared Trump Derangement Syndrome.
The contrarian Dana (044268) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:34 pmIt’s odd, I read RedState – Mr. Frey’s cross posting turned me on to it. They have several stories critical of Trump right on the feature page. And it may worth noting, if one investigates the Alexa rankings from July 2017 to the present, there has been what RedState may have considered precipitous.
It sucks that people were let go, fired with no notice or explanation I’ve been there, I feel the pain. Where money is concerned, sometimes principles fall by the wayside.
Estarcatus (9ffda0) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:43 pmthe Rt Rev Hoagie® wrote:
From The Washington Post:
The observant Dana (044268) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:44 pm#113
I made a hash of that post. My apologies.
Estarcatus (9ffda0) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:44 pm@96. I think his point (and mine) is that we should acknowledge that the way this has been done may result in fewer people willing to criticize Trump.
Don’t see that at all, DRJ. There’s no shortage of outlets or platforms available for folks to opine and chastise Trump. ‘Course they all don’t compensate you financially to do it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:49 pmyes yes the redstate brand became a hate brand
hate hate hate was all you read there
hate hate hate was all they served
and maybe some people licked it up like it was yummy porridge
but what if the pelosi wins and president trump’s impeached lickety-split quick like a bunny
if you’ve built your brand on trump hate
you’re kinda screwed
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:57 pmFewer people at Red State, DCSCA. You are right that there can always be competing websites, but I was considering this from Salem’s perspective. This makes sense in the short term, but it only makes sense in the long term if Salem thinks its audience won’t remember or if it thinks there is no value to branding. (And if the latter, how ironic is that given the way Trump values his brand?)
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 4:00 pmAdjective Dana, it didn’t seem hurt Obama that all the Democrats had was “spittle-flying angry” during the Bush years.
DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 4:02 pmlook they canceled buffy and she was buffy DRJ and yet there wasn’t even a teensy tiny iddle bittle chilling effect on the proliferation of shows about vampyres was there?
no there wasn’t
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 4:06 pm@118. Suspect Salem execs know what they’re doing, DRJ, at least for their stockholders. The suits read the projections and shifting trends in the marketplace, reviewed their product inventory – which includes opinion platforms across the board – weighed it against redundancy and costs, then tweaked accordingly. It just sucks being one of the people ‘tweaked.’ Consider a similar move on a larger scale back in the day at CBS:
In the late ’60s several successful and top revenue generating programs at CBS (including The Beverly Hillbillies, Gunsmoke, Petticoat Junction, Hee Haw, Green Acres, etc.,) were found to be ‘appealing more to older and more rural audiences and less to the young, urban and more affluent audiences that advertisers sought to target.’ Ol’Fred Silverman, then at CBS, made the decision to cancel most of those otherwise moneymaking hit shows in what was called the “Rural Purge.” Initially the industry people though it was wrong-headed. But that content was replaced w/mega hits like All In The Family, MTM, Bob Newhart and so forth. In the end, he’d read the media landscape right. Likely, albeit on a smaller scale, Salem execs see a shift in their target audiences as well. It’s just business– the suits, not the talent, always run the show.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 4:29 pmMany of us, correctly, sense he is our last chance. Please help me understand why you say this, Cassandra. DRJ (15874d) — 4/30/2018 @ 2:26 pm
Sure, happy to. The left has captured the media (most if not all newspapers, movies, TV shows, culture in general.) Also the universities have been largely purged of conservative voices. Big parts of the judiciary is no longer seemingly bound by the law.
This is all bad. But it gets worse. Most tech companies have been captured by the left. This gives them access to money, and platforms to spout on ad nauseum.
In the age of the internet, the biggest problem is pretty straightforward, and that is the ability of committed nut jobs to mau mau someone into compliance. This happens on both sides of the aisle, but one side completely controls the method by which such mau mauing is most effective – culture and the internet.
So we see, over an over, republicans elected to office that suddenly decide to “grow” in office – basically giving up everything they were elected on, and deciding to go along to get along. They become Republicans in name only. A lot of this change has to do with the constant social pressure and outright harassment they face. Imagine having a mock and harass DRJ channel running 24/7 until you cave on an issue.
I can count on one hand the number of democrats that drifted right.
Worse, you have to wonder, if the voters turn you out of office, what next? Given that you talk for a living, and the people that control the avenues of speech are all raging leftists, you have to start looking after your family. I don’t like what a lot of republicans do, but I totally understand it. Dems, of course, get well taken care of in retirement.
The thing about Trump is he is old, extremely wealthy, and likes a fight. So he has no nest to feather down the road. No second career he is planning for. He takes a punch, and gives it right back. I doubt very much that social pressure is going to get him to change one bit – if it did, he would already have changed.
No, Trump wants one thing – to be the greatest president ever. He wants his face on the hundred $ bill, streets named after him, and a carving on Mt. Rushmore.
It is a silly, egotistic goal. Will he get that? Probably not, but he is willing to give it a try. He’s Trump after all.
He (rightly) sees zero hope of ever being accepted by the left, so his policies, the ones he thinks will get him on Mt. Rushmore, are going to have to be conservative policies. So we have an opportunity to roll back, or at least pause, the long major march of the left.
And down the road, do we have another Trump waiting in the wings? Nope. There is no one else like Trump. But there is an endless hoard of Hillary wannabes.
I’ve said it before, what is the alternative to supporting Trump at this point? He has been much more conservative than I expected, so I say let’s run with that. I don’t see any reasonable alternative to Trump today, tomorrow, or next week. If Trump resigned, I’d support Mike Pence wholeheartedly. If Paul Ryan ever runs, I’ll support him. But I doubt we’ll ever get another Trump – a very unusual man of ambition and nothing left to lose.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 5:10 pmSure, happy to. The left has captured the media (most if not all newspapers, movies, TV shows, culture in general.) Also the universities have been largely purged of conservative voices. Big parts of the judiciary are no longer seemingly bound by the law.
what part of Trump re-tweeted an Ugly Heidi meme do you not understand Cassandra
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 5:11 pm“And down the road, do we have another Trump waiting in the wings? Nope. There is no one else like Trump. But there is an endless hoard of Hillary wannabes.”
Cassandra, I believe the correct terminology is a sounder of swinish Hillary wannabes
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/30/2018 @ 5:28 pmI made a hash of that post. My apologies.
Estarcatus (9ffda0) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:44 pm
Do NOT use the word “hash” around Gary Johnson voters! They’ll drop to their knees searching for the crumbs. Teh worst of that lot will be scraping their pipes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/30/2018 @ 5:32 pmVirginia’s largest public university granted the conservative Charles Koch Foundation a say in the hiring and firing of professors in exchange for millions of dollars in donations, according to newly released documents.
Davethulhu (7e7722) — 4/30/2018 @ 5:49 pmhttps://apnews.com/0c87e4318bcc4eb9b8e69f9f54c7b889
There will always be exceptions to the rule, Cthulhu.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:15 pmI was JOKING when I said a third thread was warranted by the Affair Le RedState. It’s barely worth the one. Two was overkill and whining.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:18 pmVery true! The most effective propaganda is insidiously gradual. If all opposing viewpoints were suddenly silenced, people could not fail to notice, therefore they would view it with suspicion. But if the approved line of thought slowly but surely begins to dominate media, until there are no voices left to disagree, the silencing will be less perceptible – therefore less likely to induce skepticism or protest. So, then, people who have been effectively propagandized are not aware of it and would even insist that they have NOT been propagandized. We must always be vigilant when certain voices are continually sidelined, and never fail to ask ourselves ‘why?’
The saddest phenomenon, however, are the myriad Americans who propagandize themselves by confining their news/commentary intake to a single perspective. They only listen to voices that agree with them, therefore their minds are never forced to question what they have been told. If we aren’t getting our news and commentary from multiple sources that contradict one another, we are continually feeding ourselves only one side of the story, which is enough to imbalance anyone. There is ALWAYS another side to the story, and the truth can only be found by examining the whole picture.
Anyone who feels threatened by the free expression of an opposing view is not certain of their own view, or knows their own view could easily be disproven. For that reason, I don’t trust media that eliminates or threatens opposing voices, nor do I trust media that invites ideological opponents on their show and then talks over them or never allows them to speak their full thought without being interrupted (which is, effectively, still silencing the opposition). The latter happens frequently at Fox News, particularly on Hannity.
If someone isn’t sure of their own views, I sure am not going to trust their views, either! At this blog, conflicting voices are welcome and able to speak their mind without being kicked off the site. That is a sign that Patterico is confident in his own views and is unafraid that they will easily be disproven. Similarly, I’ve noticed that Ben Shapiro, when conversing with ideological opponents, allows them to speak their full piece before replying. That demonstrates that he is sure of his views. At Red State, both authors and commenters have been kicked off the site for their views. Any Red State moderator who feels the need to ban people for disagreeing isn’t sure, himself, of what he believes, so I am definitely not going to have any confidence in his views, either. And if Red State feels the need to kick off certain authors, they’ve got something to hide: the fact that they aren’t certain what ideological side they should take – so why should anyone else trust in their opinion if they can’t even make up their own mind?
LJ (9188cd) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:28 pm“Trump can only be president for another 6.5 years. Would you support repealing the two term limit? Or canceling future elections entirely so he can be president for life? Even then, unless you believe he’s God incarnate, he can’t be there to save us forever, can he? In the long run, unless Trump manages to institute forced sterilization of minorities to reverse century-long demographic trends, and repeal of the constitution, we’re screwed anyway, aren’t we? Dave (7435a7) — 4/30/2018 @ 3:22 pm
No, and No. Obviously I don’t think Trump should or would stay in office past his term. That’s nuts.
I’m actually hoping for some breathing space. The one thing that can turn the progressive narrative on its head is for Trump to be very very successful in implementing conservative policies. For the economy to roar, illegal immigration to be cut, and peace through strength to work. Progressives then can continue to lie as much as they want, but if black Americans, for example, see themselves lifted up, off welfare, working, productive, successful, they are going to be much, much harder to control, and much harder to convince to going back to the old way of doing things.
Look, I think, in general, conservative policies WORK. I have the strength of data behind me. Look at the economy already? Imagine an economy, over eight years, billions, or even trillions of $ larger than if Trump was not in office.
That is going to be very hard to cover up, and very hard to lie about. That is what builds a constituency for conservatives polices, not a conservative wine and cheese cruise, and not invective directed at Trump.
Again, it is up to guys like Patterico to Trumpet Trump’s successes without snark. If you want any of this to stick, that is what you have to do. If you spend the next eight years running down trump in favor of the next great conservative success, well, lotsa luck there. There is actually something between Trump Trolls, and never-Trumper, a vast, unclaimed land. Knock off the dumb Trump critiques – we get enough of that crap already. Focus on the positive. No more backhanded credit. Fully support the policies not the man, hell, ignore the man.
That I think, might give us a chance in 2020, with Paul Ryan, or Pence, or someone who says they will continue what has been shown to work, but without the trump drama.
Cassandra (a815b9) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:35 pmI must have missed when all the tenured conservative professors were fired.
It may well be that, over the years, older and more conservative faculty were replaced with younger and more liberal ones. OTOH, my personal feeling – based on my own department – is that the generation that went to college during the 60’s/Vietnam era (and are now retiring), is more liberal than those who followed them.
It may also be – at least in some fields – that more conservative-minded people gravitate toward the private sector, and more liberal-minded gravitate toward academia. This is not a hard and fast rule, just a tendency. Make of it what you will.
But there have been no purges. Happily, I work in a field that is far removed from politics, but in 18 years I have never heard a word about anyone’s political views discussed, mentioned or alluded to in literally hundreds of merit review, promotion or hiring decisions. Not even once.
In those same 18 years, I have had exactly one political discussion with an undergraduate student. I taught a large 8 am class on the morning after the 2016 election. I neither said nor even hinted at anything political in my lecture. Given the cataclysmic shock that had just occurred, it felt very odd not to, but I knew it would be self-indulgent and wrong. After class one student nevertheless came up to me and out of the blue, said that she was troubled by the election outcome. I said that it bothered me too, but that she was young and shouldn’t get discouraged about the future despite her current disappointment. I didn’t want to have an extended discussion about politics with a student, so I tried to turn it into a supportive but generic “keep your chin up” style pep talk and end it as quickly as I could without being rude or insensitive.
Dave (445e97) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:37 pmI must have missed when all the tenured conservative professors were fired.
I’m sure there are many conservative professors. Not many make their presence known. Maybe that’s the difference.
random viking (6a54c2) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:52 pmdoes the sleazy dirty house of representatives really need to spend our tax monies to employ a goddamn chaplain
magic 8 ball says are you high
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 6:53 pmEh, again I can only speak from my own experience.
During the 2004 election, I was contacted by a reporter and interviewed for an article on university professors who supported Bush (I had donated the maximum legal amount – I guess they found me through OpenSecrets.com or some other database). This was before I had tenure. My colleagues and I laughed about it over lunch. It didn’t hurt my career.
Granted it was only a “Man Bites Dog” story because there were many more who had donated the maximum to Kerry rather than Bush. But I had no trepidation whatsoever about going on the record supporting Dubya.
One thing that is easy to lose sight of is that, as habitual commenters on a political blog, we tend to assume that everybody else lives and breathes this stuff like we do. The truth is quite different. My liberal colleagues certainly have firm, well-entrenched opinions (many of them wrong, IMO) but politics is just not that important to them.
Dave (445e97) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:12 pm110 Gryph –
Same here. I’ve already met my Messiah, thanks, and He isn’t wearing a red cap or sitting in the White House.
LJ (9188cd) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:18 pmDuring the 2004 election, I was contacted by a reporter and interviewed for an article on university professors who supported Bush
Odd. Like you were a rare specimen to be studied.
random viking (6a54c2) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:18 pmI should make clear that I’m sure my experience isn’t universal.
If any conservative has ever applied for or held a position in Gender Studies or African-American Studies, I imagine that bucking the liberal social justice narrative would be viewed akin to a physics professor espousing geocentric cosmology or astrology…
Dave (445e97) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:23 pmThe sociology, anthropology and even philosophy electives I took were highly politically charged. I can’t imagine a conservative gaining tenure in those fields either, unless they kept their views under wraps.
random viking (6a54c2) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:32 pmwe need to talk about perverted baby roob roob
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:38 pmIf you were wondering about great looking liberal women there is Ana Kasparian
Pinandpuller (903298) — 4/30/2018 @ 7:59 pm@140. Pshaw, PP; if you were wondering about great looking liberal women there is you-know-who:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw6WMdrzbJw
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:23 pmI placed two or three pieces in the LAT back in 2005 and 2006.
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:39 pmBut thanks for the kind words, Ed from SFV.
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:39 pmEven jerky has an expiration date Mr DCSCA. I think we were talking more about liberal women in the media. You didn’t have to bring out the uh, Big Gun.
Pinandpuller (903298) — 4/30/2018 @ 9:42 pmFurther, his victory has the left so spittle-flying angry that they’ve come up with no alternative policies at all, just total opposition to President Trump
Yes, and this (“the enemy of my enemy is my friend”) is what has me pulling for the administration. BUT even if Trump was the originator, he does not have to be the implementer. He is dandy for tearing out the rot, but he isn’t the guy to build up the replacement.
Hopefully, he will have help and he will LET that help do their thing. Which is likely WHY the Democrats in the Senate are seditiously hamstringing the administration by refusing to consider any appointments except the top jobs.
The Democrats know that if they do this, all the Obama stalwarts remain in power, and this refusal to transfer power to the election’s winner is unique in our history. If a refusal to peacefully transfer power could b3e called “treason” then that is what this is. Yes, technically they have the power to refuse ALL administration appointees, had they 51 votes, but instead they are preventing the majority from voting through delay.
Sadly, Trump has not the wit to call them out and make a public spectacle of it, and the GOP “leadership” in the Senate is pretending to care, but doesn’t.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:02 pmTrump can only be president for another 6.5 years. Would you support repealing the two term limit?
Well, I don’t favor a second term, for reasons possibly different than others. I’d be fine with Trump bulling through the china shop for 4 years — it needs a good trashing — but he is not particularly creative nor is he particularly good at structure and organization. For putting things back together, with clear direction, you’d want a Romney.
But that’s not really my main concern. Trump is showing some classic signs of mental degradation (short-term memory loss, sudden fits of anger, etc), and I don’t think he CAN serve 8 years, let alone longer.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:08 pmI would like to hear someone explain how Trump is the ideal person to recreate American government after the needed destruction is over.
Kevin M (752a26) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:10 pm131
I must have missed when all the tenured conservative professors were fired.
Perhaps purged was the wrong word but universities are now almost completely controlled by the left. And they are very hostile towards dissenters. Someone like Charles Murray can’t even give a talk without causing a riot. As a result there are very few conservative voices and little unbiased exploration of conservative ideas. Entire departments contain almost nothing of value and just exist to propagate leftist nonsense.
James B. Shearer (a9b467) — 4/30/2018 @ 10:54 pm@144. Film is media, PP; particularly pleasurable to enjoy when slowed for analysis, frame-by-frame.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:15 pm@144. Film is media, PP; particularly pleasurable to enjoy when slowed for analysis, frame-by-frame.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:15 pm
If you ever meet her in person I bet she’d let you digitize her.
Pinandpuller (903298) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:31 pm@150. If you ever meet her in person I bet she’d let you digitize her.
That’s Klute, PP.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/30/2018 @ 11:36 pmYeah, although those departments are generally small in terms of faculty and the number of degrees they award.
In time, I think they will become more rigorous. Everything taught about what is today called physics and astronomy was totally wrong for about 2000, before Galileo, Newton, and others corrected Aristotle’s stupid (and obvious, in retrospect) mistakes.
I’m in no way an expert, but I think Womens Studies has already shown some signs of progress toward a more diverse and healthy intellectual atmosphere, with people in the field challenging some of the foundational dogma.
As in Napoleon’s Grande Armee, so in academia: “The old guard dies, it never surrenders…”
Dave (445e97) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:14 am2000 *years
Dave (445e97) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:14 amMr M wrote:
‘Twas Winston Churchill who once said, “If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.” However, as the man who shares my birthday, Vladimir Ilyavich Ulyanov, more commonly known as Lenin, proved, being a successful revolutionary does not make one an effective state leader. Mr Trump may be more adept at breaking things which need to be broken than in rebuilding them the way they should be.
The historian Dana (044268) — 5/1/2018 @ 5:31 am“118. Fewer people at Red State, DCSCA. You are right that there can always be competing websites, but I was considering this from Salem’s perspective. This makes sense in the short term, but it only makes sense in the long term if Salem thinks its audience won’t remember ”
Is there a big demand to have people in your foxhole with you who wll happily turn sideways and fire down the trench?
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“146. For putting things back together, with clear direction, you’d want a Romney.”
You can “want” all day long, but for what you want to have happen the Romney character has to get elected. Which Mr. Romney didn’t.
As you may have noticed, there was and is a large contingent actively working to ensure that a Romney doesn’t get elected.
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“147. I would like to hear someone explain how Trump is the ideal person to recreate American government after the needed destruction is over.”
First things first. Did anybody demand of FDR, on Dec 8, 1941, that he deliver plans to win the war before any action could to taken?
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 5/1/2018 @ 7:02 amKevin #146: who do you think Team R could come up with for POTUS next cycle? I’ve always thought Pence was demonized, and he may be radioactive now. But then, it won’t matter: whoever comes up will get savaged.
Me, I don’t like POTUS’ approach to life. That’s a personal thing. But then, I thought Romney was and is a fine person. Maybe not a good choice for President, but look at all the demonization there—even here.
We need to get to a place where we can say: “(fill in the blank) is a good person, but I don’t want them to be President.”
Problem is, that approach doesn’t raise money or gain clicks. And that’s all that matters to the Media Behemoth sitting on our backs.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/1/2018 @ 7:16 amNope. They are the ones who exposed it. But for them, you wouldn’t even know about it. But yes, they are the ones who refused to release it because that was the necessary deal they made with their source. There is nothing wrong with that.
Patterico (e91ae1) — 5/1/2018 @ 8:33 amROTFL. Nothing says “I am unlike media in a totalitarian society” like the publication of a piece that is very positive towards The Leader. Your logic here is truly impeccable. Can I expect similar logical reasoning in the piece you submit to me?
Patterico (e91ae1) — 5/1/2018 @ 8:38 amThanks for clearing that up. My memory was a little vague. What was the purpose of them taking possession of the tape under the conditions the source requested?
I know it isn’t the same as Stormy Daniels and The National Enquirer, but it seems similar. They bought her silence.
I guess I really don’t understand what the LA Times’ goal was.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/1/2018 @ 8:41 amThe end goal of the LAT has always been to tell anyone center-right or beyond to pound sand.
Same as it ever was.
Colonel Haiku (af8791) — 5/1/2018 @ 8:46 amThis explains it in more detail:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/21/news/la-pn-khalidi-video-not-for-sale-20120921
Nothing like the Enquirer transaction at all. A bad comparison on my part.
I think I’ll dig into it a little more though.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/1/2018 @ 8:48 amI do agree with that, Haiku.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/1/2018 @ 8:48 amKevin #146: who do you think Team R could come up with for POTUS next cycle?
There are some. I could name folks would would be great at governing, but maybe not so great at getting elected. I have to hope that A.T. we would be wanting a little calm, but you never know.
But: Walker. Abbot. Another governor. Cruz, of course. Even Romney. Romney would be older and supect to some — and that’s an issue — but restructuring failing companies is his forte.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:10 amNothing says “I am unlike media in a totalitarian society” like the publication of a piece that is very positive towards The Leader.
That’s one way to look at it. But what about the media in a supposedly pluralistic society that is sycophantic towards one party’s Leaders and unremittingly hostile towards their opposition? How long does that society remain pluralistic. I’m asking as a Californian.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:13 amThe Historian Dana @154, was that another off-handed comparison of Trump to Hitler or something else? Trumphitler is getting so common, even among neverTrumpers I never know whether they are serious.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:14 amBut yes, they are the ones who refused to release it because that was the necessary deal they made with their source.
However, they were in BK at lest once since. Agreements regarding disposition of assets owned by a bankrupt entity are often fluid if creditors can be paid as a result. I suspect that tape could have been sold for 7 figures.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:16 amcomparison of Trump to Hitler or something else?
Maybe Lenin. And of course, we know who built the Soviet Union out of the ashes left by the Tsars. Who should be our Stalin?
Reminds me of an alt-history book from some time back called “Back in the USSA” where Eugene Debs became president in the 1920s, only to be poisoned by his successor, Alphonse Capone.
https://www.amazon.com/Back-USSA-Eugene-Byrne/dp/0929480848
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:20 amNo they’re not, Dave. All departments from English to History with a few minor STEM exceptions are almost all entirely leftist. Not liberal, Dave, radical leftist. I get an ear full from my own family about how college is a collusion of leftists and anti white, anti American communists but even if I didn’t almost no day goes by where I don’t read some article about some noxious occurrence at a college. One would have to be willfully blind not to see it. Are you willfully blind, Dave?
Statements like this, Dave are what identify you as a leftist regardless of your constant denial. Women’s studies (a ridiculous notion to begin with) have only shown signs of encompassing black studies, and gay studies and every other leftist cult study you can name. They are a bunch of (usually) ugly feminists proselytizing the idea of male hatred, white privilege, patriarchy and are generally deliberately obtuse to actual women’s problems such as Islam and the failure of many modern women as wives and mothers. They study and pontificate the “politics” of ugly, hateful broads and ignore the qualities that have over thousands of years produced that “foundational dogma” you so aptly whine about. BTW, that “foundational dogma” you discount has been the societal glue and the creator of our progeny for centuries. Now no thanks to the skanks who brought us “women’s studies” many women now brag about abortion and have become sexual degenerates destroying the concept of marriage, family, humility, virtue and stability that was the “foundational dogma” of womanhood. Women’s studies have made millions of women ugly, nasty, unhappy men without dicks just like black studies have made blacks unhappy, hateful, racist slaves without chains.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:39 amHoagie–
Dave’s constant stream of apologista for the Democrats and the Left doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Leftist. He might just be confused.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:41 amHypocrite mitt is and always will be a pos.
mg (9e54f8) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:43 amTo report on the tape. That was the only way the source would allow it. Maybe the tape itself gives away who the source was.
Patterico (e91ae1) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:17 pm171. I was less than thrilled about how that was all handled, but I understood it at the time.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:19 pmSpeaking for myself, no. I am tired of rabid Trump fans being in my foxhole and firing at me because I support conservative principles over people. Get out of my foxhole.
Patterico (e91ae1) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:19 pmI wonder how they keep the tape out of the hands of bona fide historians or journalists? It;s the kind of thing the Times would sue to get access to.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:24 pm174. You answered your own question Kev. Someone would have to sue to get access to it, and whoever has the tape would then have the burden to show why it should not be released. That kind of thing happens in courtrooms with journalists all the time.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:26 pm148. Buying and Firing professors – for sale to the highest bidder!
https://apnews.com/0c87e4318bcc4eb9b8e69f9f54c7b889
Tillman (a95660) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:42 pmh/t Atrios.
@168 Rev Hoagie
Hey what do you think about this scare quote Conspiracy Theory?
“In the 1960´s, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order.”
Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.
Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970´s by a radical feminist group called “Red Stockings.” In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in “Feminist Revolution.” Nevertheless the story appeared in the “Village Voice” on May 21, 1979.
Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. “When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era,” she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, “and that made me a Marxist.” (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: “Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job.”
Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan´s alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a “Chester Bowles Student Fellowship” to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it.
In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA´s Cord Meyers to direct an “informal group of activists” called the “Independent Research Service.” This was part of Meyer´s “Congress for Cultural Freedom,” which created magazines like “Encounter” and “Partisan Review” to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots.
Source
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:49 pmGee, Gloria Steinem dated Henry Kissinger?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:51 pmDave’s constant stream of apologista for the Democrats and the Left doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Leftist. He might just be confused.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:41 am
Political Outlook Dysphoria.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:53 pmThat kind of thing happens in courtrooms with journalists all the time.
Like, say, with sealed divorce records with dirt on your political opponent. Just to pick something at random.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 12:59 pmDave’s constant stream of apologista for the Democrats and the Left doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Leftist. He might just be confused
I find it hard to believe anyone is that confused. This is a standard alinskyish ploy, pretend to be a conservative, either true true blue or otherwise. Then work in some leftist tripe when you think you’ve set the hook. It’s the same kind of people who call in to conservative talk radio (or maybe it has stopped by now, don’t listen much) and start off with “Now I voted for Reagan, but yadda-yadda-yadda and things went too far. Clinton/Gore/Kerry/Obama/Hillary, he’s my man now”. It serves multiple purposes. Those it doesn’t pull to the left, it puts the fear of losing the middle into those further on the right such that they then moderate their message. It’s a bit more complicated and nuanced than can fit in a blog comment but that’s the gist of it.
Skorcher (5b282a) — 5/1/2018 @ 1:04 pmThe release of donor agreements between George Mason University and the foundation follows years of denials by university administrators that Koch foundation donations inhibit academic freedom.
And I’d still deny it, given that increasing diversity of thought INCREASES academic freedom, and faculty committees that refuse to hire those who think differently are, themselves doing the inhibiting.
“Academic freedom” is not the same as “it’s our club and you can’t get in.”
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 1:04 pm182. They should hire the best person for the job, not let some left or right wing nut decide who is hired. They literally let him buy public college professors or fire them.
Tillman (a95660) — 5/1/2018 @ 1:11 pm180. I dunno if that comparison is appropos, considering that journalists who get their hands on sealed divorce records rarely seem to leave them private.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/1/2018 @ 1:22 pmDave’s constant stream of apologista for the Democrats and the Left doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Leftist. He might just be confused.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/1/2018 @ 9:41 am
ConDave… on the grift again…
Colonel Haiku (af8791) — 5/1/2018 @ 1:32 pmGood job Haiku, you cracked the case. Dave is definitely being paid to post on this relatively small forum.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:10 pmNo foaming at the mouth, just a reasonable take…
“For most of my life, my tendency has been to try to diminish the power of the state. Part of that is literal power, and part of it is the power that’s in your head. The president has become this figure of immense authority that you’re obliged to respect, who has the ability to project that power all over the planet.
Trump is a refreshing reminder that the guy in the White House is another human being. The power of the state is way too exalted. Bringing that power back to human scale is an important part of what needs to be done to correct the insanity that’s been going on, where you have these large institutions that control all aspects of our lives. Leaching respect out of the state is kind of a good thing.”
—- Louis Rossetto, founder of Wired magazine
Colonel Haiku (af8791) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:26 pmCthulhu returns to the depths of the Sargasso Sea…
Colonel Haiku (af8791) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:27 pmIt’s the same kind of people who call in to conservative talk radio (or maybe it has stopped by now, don’t listen much) and start off with “Now I voted for Reagan, but yadda-yadda-yadda and things went too far. Clinton/Gore/Kerry/Obama/Hillary, he’s my man now”.
Skorcher (5b282a) — 5/1/2018 @ 1:04 pm
A Seminar Caller, Rush calls them.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:32 pmeing a successful revolutionary does not make one an effective state leader. Mr Trump may be more adept at breaking things which need to be broken than in rebuilding them the way they should be.
He also seems to have trouble not breaking the things that are not broken.
My problems with Trump boil down to these
He’s a narcissist with no sense of decency, so he’s forced conservatives to adopt the position that character does not matter as long as the policies are okay. And for some time after he’s gone, conservative ideas will have to deal with the stigma of being linked to Trump. And his program of draining the swamp seems more like a program to populate the swamp with different alligators.
I come from a libertarian perspective, and therefore think several of his policies are wrong, and some like the Wall won’t really work. But Trump represents an authoritarian strain of conservativism, what used to be called law and order. An interesting tell is his way of sympathizing with first responders when some mass casualty event occurs, man made or otherwise. After the Mandalay Bay event, his statement actually listed the first responders before the victims and their families.
His competence as a manager who would hire “the best people” is seriously open to question, and his understanding and commitment to some policies seems open to question, even if you don’t believe the claims he gets all his info from Fox.
Kishnevi (abbfd8) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:42 pmColonel Haiku
I can’t believe you haven’t excerpted this yet:
Truly, the fact that McMullin’s “campaign” was a debt-ridden mess, that his current organization is a sinking ship that can’t even pay rats to steer it, and that McMullin himself is precisely the sort of grandstanding, conscienceless threat to republican ideals of self-government that he accuses of Trump of being, ranks as one of the least surprising truths to be confirmed in years. His campaign deserves no cash, its legal failings deserve no mercy, and he deserves no pity. Neither do those who propped him up, for the sake of their own bruised egos and emptying wallets.
As for those who supported him, whether because of misguided zealotry or misinformation? Well, perhaps they deserve a scrap of our understanding and compassion, though not much more than that. In their rush to support a “patriotic” intelligence community hero who was also a True Conservative ™, they ended up enabling a vapid, narcissistic, sanctimonious human pool cue.
If the story of Evan McMullin’s success can be summed up with one indictment, is that Bush-era credulity toward seemingly upstanding young men who are trying to Keep Us Safe permitted many Republican voters and intellectuals to forget that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Though at this point, I’ll grant McMullin’s supporters that he’s too dull to be a scoundrel. American Greatness
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:44 pm@190
Kishnevi (abbfd8) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:48 pmthings that are not broken should have been things that should not be broken
patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Trumo supporters should be very careful when using that phrase.
Kishnevi (abbfd8) — 5/1/2018 @ 2:53 pmHappy May Day, Comrade Hoagie!
The statement I was replying to said “(e)ntire departments contain almost nothing of value and just exist to propagate leftist nonsense.” I didn’t think the person was referring to English or History as containing nothing of value.
Do you think that teaching people how to write, or to speak, or about history, contains nothing of value, Hoagie? Are you a complete cultural nihilist?
There are over 5,000 colleges and universities in the United States, with over 20 million students enrolled. The fact that “almost no day goes by” without something that bothers you happening on a college campus doesn’t really worry me that much. Of course, there are crazy, stupid people doing crazy, stupid sh*t everywhere, every day. This is not a new development. But you’re right – such incidents are an indictment of our educational system in general.
I put it to you, Hoagie – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you do what you want to us academics. But I’m not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America!
A remedial course in reading comprehension at your local community college might be a good investment for you, Hoagie.
You are the one doing the whining, not me. The “foundational dogma” I was referring to was the leftist, reflexively anti-male dogma of old-line feminism. Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia are a couple examples of the trend, although I’m sure you just consider them “ugly broads” who don’t know their places.
Dave (445e97) — 5/1/2018 @ 3:44 pminvesting while you’re emotional like a big girl, this never ends well hashi
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/1/2018 @ 6:13 pm