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4/8/2018

Shock: Trump Criticizes Putin on Twitter, Amid Talk of Pulling Out of Syria

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:53 am



It’s only slight irony in the headline. This is actually surprising to me:

I think it might be the first time he has ever personally criticized Vladimir Putin by name.

We know that he understands the human costs of chemical weapons attacks because he has seen them on the teevee. But has it occurred to him that Assad and Putin have been emboldened by the recent stories that Trump has been pushing for a quick withdrawal from Syria? Maybe Vlad and his henchmen haven’t listened to the advice of commenters at this Web site urging that Trump’s words mean nothing.

Time to lob a few missiles without Congressional authorization and pick up some more media praise like he got the last time he did that.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

343 Responses to “Shock: Trump Criticizes Putin on Twitter, Amid Talk of Pulling Out of Syria”

  1. I guess we’re supposed to look past the petty attacks on Trump and respond to the substance of the post. If only there was any.

    random viking (6a54c2) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:09 am

  2. Substance: talk about pulling out of Syria encourages chemical attacks. Also acts of war should be done only with Cingressional authorization.

    Sorry that your man-love for Trump makes it so hard to understand simple points when they are accompanied by the criticism that makes you cry so hard you can’t see straight.

    Hey, you give me shit, you get it thrown back at you. I fight! I’m a counterpuncher!

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:14 am

  3. The criticism isn’t petty. It’s on matters of supreme importance. You label it petty because you can’t deal with any criticism of the man and therefore you label ANY such criticism petty.

    TCDS.

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:15 am

  4. Leviticus wins this thread, by virtue of his comments on the earlier thread coming true here.

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:17 am

  5. Considering has the only one who has actually against the rehpginr at khan shaykhoum and dear Er sour, it sounds petty, do you want war with Russ PR nit?

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:17 am

  6. In English please

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:18 am

  7. Regime, the air strike against that base, and the repelling of the Warner group contingent, the former was more like Reagan’s attack on
    tripoli in 86.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:21 am

  8. Link to comment by Leviticus, please?

    Dana (023079) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:22 am

  9. The failed attribution by porton down, after the perhaps
    premature pngs probably have more to do with it.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:24 am

  10. Erect any sort of straw man you like. Trump wasn’t my first or second choice. I have no “man love” for him. The post is petty on it’s face, but it’s your site. Definitely he should spend his time reading here — just the posts, not the comments— instead of watching teevee. The snobbery and blue nose posing just oozes…. it’s the anti-Trump look of choice, because there is nothing else.

    random viking (6a54c2) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:26 am

  11. I think tom Friedman used to call it hama rules, that was nearly 40 years ago.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:26 am

  12. Comment by Leviticus:

    How bout this, Trumpkins: when Patterico takes a shot at Trump, just ignore it. Try to look past your obsession with Donald Trump, and focus on Patterico’s underlying points. After all, that’s the exact same thing you recommend Patterico do with Trump: ignore the perceived boorishness, and focus on the substance.

    Go on – lead by example.

    https://patterico.com/2018/04/05/the-atlantic-fires-kevin-d-williamson/#comment-2104524

    I say it “came true” because implicit in the challenge was the claim that Trumpkins would not follow this advice.

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:29 am

  13. And no its not mindless if we realize who has their headquarters in east ghouta, and what their aspirations for Syria are.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:30 am

  14. Note: Apparently the rules are, if you say something positive about Trump (he actually criticized Putin by name and puts blame at his feet), you may not also include any logical (and plausible) possibility about why our enemies might have been emboldened. Just the praise, please.

    Which reminds me of the reactions of many commenters here when Obama announced a calendar-based pullout from Afghanistan and caused great concern because it would obviously embolden the Taliban.

    Dana (023079) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:30 am

  15. Trump wasn’t my first or second choice. I have no “man love” for him.

    Sure you do. You show it by the way you squeal like a stuck pig any time he is criticized. And by the way you describe criticism going to separation of powers and fundamental tenets of foreign policy as petty just because you hate any criticism of the man.

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:32 am

  16. We had a sizable contingent in afghanustan, that Obama on the advise of Biden decide to dismantle, now ghani controls a few districts of kabul.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:32 am

  17. failmerica has no business being in syria especially with the sleazy mattis military incessantly whining about how they don’t have enough money

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:33 am

  18. Fine sentiment by POTUS.

    What a shame that his, particularly, are cheap.

    I genuinely love his expressed core belief against nation-building and interventionism generally. So far, he gets mega-points for having gone after the Caliphate of ISIS for realz and allowing our wonderful military to do its thang. This latest tweet is, I believe, a seminal moment in the DJT evolution as a statesman. The bad actors are varied and almost impossible to isolate in attack. This is not about a given city or stronghold. This is about macro strategy meeting tactical realities. Will he back his rhetoric? Will he conveniently change his rhetoric?

    If I had a best solution, I would certainly share it. However, one thing which is an absolute is the necessity for a POTUS to be credible when he talks tough. The world, most especially that fetid world of Islam in Syria, sit in judgment. Much depends on their understanding of our resolve.

    Ed from SFV (1752e1) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:34 am

  19. So when assay struck in 2013, because Obama had expressly avoided intervening because of the Iran deal, that required russias support, I’m not following

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:34 am

  20. “In English please”

    Oh thank God, its not just me.

    noel (b4d580) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:36 am

  21. Right his previous actions don’t matter, some statements have higher weight, what happens the next time assay chooses to retaliate against coalition forces what then?

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:37 am

  22. Really given names dates to events is considered obscure, but say discs unmitigated glea at a death at trump tower, that doesn’t merit sanction.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:39 am

  23. As far as congressional authorization, they can’t get a budget together in due time, you think they will more diligent on a question of greater import.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:42 am

  24. The question is: will we attack Russians?

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:47 am

  25. He doesn’t need Congressional authorization, he’s just using the one Obama got.

    /irony

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:48 am

  26. These are Trump’s current stated foreign policy goals:

    President Trump is bolstering American influence by leading a coalition of strong and independent nations to promote security, prosperity, and peace both within America’s borders and beyond. The promise of a better future will come in part from reasserting American sovereignty and the right of all nations to determine their own futures.

    I have no particular problem with Trump’s tweets now that it’s obvious he uses them to vent his tantrums, and I applaud his belated criticism of Putin and Assad.

    But explain to me how his tweets are consistent with his foreign policy goals. Are his tweets now a substitute for a foreign policy or a coalition to help stop Russia, Syria, and Turkey? Or is he hoping England, France, the Saudis, etc., will retweet him?

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:49 am

  27. Trump today:

    If President Obama had crossed his stated Red Line In The Sand, the Syrian disaster would have ended long ago! Animal Assad would have been history!

    Trump in 2013:

    President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your “powder” for another (and more important) day!

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:50 am

  28. I want sanguine on the khan shaykoun strike because it could
    Lead down a dangerous path, but you can’t have your cake and eat it to.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:51 am

  29. According to Trump’s own foreign policy, he should leave Syria alone. That is the problem with not having principles. You get stuck with bad or worse decisions without principles, and this is an example of Trump’s.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:52 am

  30. My last comment was for Dave, with whose point I agree.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:53 am

  31. Or you can, but when we’re in a full scale war with Russia, and we know the mindset of stavka (general staff) and siloviki don’t be surprised where it end up.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:55 am

  32. No his point is try to avoid decade long engagements, that have definable end.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:56 am

  33. last time they did chemical weapons on people President Trump had the US military sprinkle some expensive missiles on them for to do “deterrent effect” on them

    guess that didn’t work huh (another US failure in the middle east lol you people suck at this)

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:59 am

  34. Much depends on their understanding of our resolve.

    Attacking an airbase with something like the CBU-105 would be interesting. Failing that, a few AC-130s attacking Syrian or Russian garrisons.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:00 am

  35. Both Presidents Bush put together coalitions like Trump says he wants. Remember when Bush 43 had stood at the smoldering pile of 9/11 rubble and said:

    The president, who had been in office less than eight months, grabbed a bullhorn and started thanking the fire fighters and other first responders at the scene, telling them that they were in the country’s prayers. Someone in the crowd shouted that he couldn’t hear the president, and Bush replied with the words that made history.

    “I can hear you!” he declared. “The rest of the world hears you! And the people – and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.” The crowd reacted with loud, prolonged chants of “USA! USA!”

    In this electric moment, Bush captured the mood of the country, delivering just what the American people wanted a combination of gratitude for the rescue workers’ bravery and diligence, defiance toward the terrorists, and resolve to bring the evil doers to justice.

    Trump could have done this. What Trump can’t do is follow through. Trump has no policy. It’s all talk, to say what he thinks people want to hear and hope problems go away.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:02 am

  36. And then what do you think will be the next step, there were no drone strikes in Syria or north africa till 2014.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:03 am

  37. DRJ–

    Do you suppose that no previous president would have used Twitter to this extent, had it been available? Teddy R? FDR? Truman? Nixon? Andy Jackson?

    The point being that these technologies are new, and there is no way to compare their use to prior presidents. Only Obama, and he never spoke without it being written down for him.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:04 am

  38. Members of the United Nations Security Council are expected to hold an emergency meeting on Monday in response to a reported chemical attack on Syrian citizens.

    The British mission to the United Nations tweeted Sunday afternoon that the United Kingdom, the United States, Poland, the Netherlands, Sweden, Kuwait, Peru and the Ivory Coast have agreed to hold an emergency meeting on the matter.

    hmm sounds like failmerica’s gonna to do a coalition on syria

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:04 am

  39. That was a direct attack on our country, drj after years of practically no response by the previous administration.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:05 am

  40. No his point is try to avoid decade long engagements, that have definable end.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:56 am

    We all want that but it may not be an option. We have to be willing to go for the long haul if we decide to do something.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:05 am

  41. Although, I must admit, we’re currently binging through “The West Wing” here and there is a difference in style between Trump’s White House and Bartlett’s.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:05 am

  42. Or we can do nothing, and that is fine. But we can’t talk the talk unless we are willing to walk the walk. Talk alone makes us the weak horse.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:06 am

  43. That was a direct attack on our country, drj after years of practically no response by the previous administration.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:05 am

    As I said, we don’t have to take military action since it isn’t our country. Isn’t that Trump’s stated foreign policy? But if he wants results without anything more than a tweet, it won’t happen. That leaves the military option, something you seem to think Bush did wrong. But at least it was our country he was defending.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:10 am

  44. what part of that $30 trillion dollar debt makes failmerica the strong horse

    we can’t afford to use our joke military President Trump is wisely gonna do a coalition all up in it and leverage this (putative) chemical weapon attack to isolate Russia

    which seems to be the lemony lemonade thing to do here

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:10 am

  45. The Twitter coalition, right?

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:12 am

  46. Russia re-cycled its denials from the election intervention and recent chemical attack on Britain:

    The Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement on Sunday calling the reported chemical attack a “hoax” and an “information attack” aimed at shielding “terrorists.”

    “Information attacks about the use of chlorine or other poisonous substances by the Syrian government troops are continuing. Another such hoax about the chemical attack that supposedly took place in Douma emerged yesterday,” the statement said.

    “We have warned of such dangerous provocations many times before. The purpose of these false conjectures, which are without any basis, is to shield the terrorists and the irreconcilable radical opposition, which reject a political settlement while trying to justify possible military strikes from outside,” it added.

    “It’s all a hoax!” Sound familiar?

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:15 am

  47. We have to be willing to go for the long haul if we decide to do something.

    Bush said it would be a long haul in his 9/21 address to Congress:

    I ask for your patience, with the delays and inconveniences that may accompany tighter
    security; and for your patience in what will be a long struggle. ….

    As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror; this will be an age of liberty, here and across the world. ….

    Our nation – this generation – will lift a dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause by our efforts, by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.

    It is my hope that in the months and years ahead, life will return almost to normal. We’ll go back to our lives and routines, and that is good. Even grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.

    And yet it did.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:15 am

  48. what part of that $30 trillion dollar debt makes failmerica the strong horse

    If we go under, we take everyone with us.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:17 am

  49. “It’s all a hoax!” Sound familiar?

    if i understand it right the allegation is that assad did chemical weapons on a hospital

    what was his thinking here

    what were the achieves he wanted by doing this

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:17 am

  50. Its possible this was a reaction to the sanctioning of
    oligarchs, not every thing is a straight line drj now when the bombing of the Cole (which was directed by Al nashiri, who haspel did preside over his detention) maybe that was a signal to go the next step by ubl

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:18 am

  51. So are you saying we do nothing unless our intelligence tells us everything? Who sounds like the Obama-style liberal now, narciso?

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:21 am

  52. are the rebel rebels using hospitals over there for to hide out in or whatever?

    pls to explain

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:21 am

  53. what were the achieves he wanted by doing this

    To kill some people he doesn’t like, I’m guessing.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:21 am

  54. To kill some people he doesn’t like, I’m guessing.

    i think you nailed it

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:23 am

  55. If you don’t think we should respond, say so. It is a tragedy that Syrians are dying but we can’t fix every tragedy.

    I am far more concerned about selling out the Kurds, again. That is what I want Trump to fix but I think it’s safe to say he won’t. There is no positive polling for Trump from helping the Kurds fight the Turks. The only upside is in foreign policy, something Trump has so little interest in that he is recycling Obama’s talking points.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:24 am

  56. Yes usually pikachu,

    No we did nothing in part because the CIA had written off massoud, because that what we do with people who rally to our side, only when the towers fell we realized that was a mistake and massoud lay dead thanks to a hutteam from brussells

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:26 am

  57. Maybe it’s finally time for Trump to read (or have someone read to him) the full Presidential Daily Briefing.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:26 am

  58. Well pompeo and Boston are likely more sympathetic, tillerson and mcmaster were more willing to accommodate turkey

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:28 am

  59. But they often get sold out like chalabi. vang pao moises tsombe in favor of maliki and mobutu.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:30 am

  60. Maybe it’s finally time for Trump to read (or have someone read to him) the full Presidential Daily Briefing.

    That seems like an over-reaction.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:31 am

  61. the sleazy pentagon piggies got super pouty when President Trump said we needed to come home from Syria

    now all a sudden there’s a chemical weapon attack (allegedly) on a hospital (allegedly)

    is it possible the sleazy US military phonied this up to bolster their case for having our hapless tatters prance around Syria for all eternity

    i think the question needs to be asked

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:32 am

  62. is it possible the sleazy US military phonied this up to bolster their case for having our hapless tatters prance around Syria for all eternity

    You are definitely in tune with our Dear Leader’s thinking, Mr. Feet:

    “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?”

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:39 am

  63. I have no illusions about putin, one he erdogan and assad did get together , you think they talked about kebabs and shwarma

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:42 am

  64. well no you can’t jump to the conclusion that actually killing people was part of the scheme

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:42 am

  65. Its a reasonable inference pikachu after the shwarma.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:44 am

  66. Mr. Feets, you’re proposing that the Russians and Assad did something to help the generals persuade Trump to stay in Syria despite the fact that they want us to to do what Trump said the other day–to get out of Syria.

    For the record, I think that until Putin faces a direct and very credible risk of the US taking military action against him, he will continue to do what he does now. And as long as Trump is in the Oval Office, there will never be a credible risk of US action.

    kishnevi (bb03e6) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:45 am

  67. Mr. Feets, you’re proposing that the Russians and Assad did something to help the generals persuade Trump

    I believe he was suggesting that the Russians and Assad had nothing to do with it, and that it was our military who dropped the chemical weapons in a false-flag operation.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:49 am

  68. Has there been a spike in bulldozer rentals in the neighborhoods around The Temple Mount?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:52 am

  69. Mr. Feets, you’re proposing that the Russians and Assad did something to help the generals persuade Trump to stay in Syria despite the fact that they want us to to do what Trump said the other day–to get out of Syria.

    no not really

    i think this is probably phonied up to make a us withdrawal from syria untenable in the short to medium term

    i think something happened in that hospital or nearby but we have no idea yet what it was

    the first reports said the attack was on the hospital but we also have this from the AP

    First responders and a relief organization said they found families suffocated in their homes and shelters in the besieged town of Douma, with foam on their mouths.

    so they need to get their story straight

    also is there really anything unusual about “locking down” an area where your military is doing attacks on rebellious rebel people?

    that part stinks of phony to me

    this whole thing smells

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:53 am

  70. Except when there was last year, now the question is what Malone to
    D news: ‘what are you prepared to do’

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:54 am

  71. that it was our military who dropped the chemical weapons in a false-flag operation.

    no i didn’t say that i think there’s no proof that there were any chemical weapons used at all

    this is all just fake news i bet

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:54 am

  72. I feel like Trump’s foreign-policy is based upon sticking his finger in the air and seeing which way the wind blows. Because he has no guiding foundational principles, he cannot have any informed and thoughtful positions. On anything. This is further compounded by his insatiable need , this is compounded by his insatiable – and dichotomous need to be the tough guy as well have people fawn over him. There simply cannot be coherency to any policy he is forging or taking the lead on. And we know how much he listens to others more knowledgeable and informed…

    Dana (023079) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:54 am

  73. Although, I must admit, we’re currently binging through “The West Wing” here and there is a difference in style between Trump’s White House and Bartlett’s.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:05 am

    A West Wing/The Dead Zone crossover could get ugly.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:55 am

  74. There’s this.
    https://twitter.com/syriacivildef?lang=en

    Sorry if the images are too graphic…

    kishnevi (bb03e6) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:56 am

  75. this is all just fake news i bet

    Russia, Syria and Iran all said the same, so it must be true.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:58 am

  76. I’m sure Trump’s first principle would be to bomb the guy who wanted to assassinate his daddy.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:59 am

  77. graphic pictures aren’t really dispositive of anything Mr. kishnevi except for they strongly suggest people want to short-circuit reasoning and analysis by doing graphic images all up in it

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:59 am

  78. Can you imagine, all he needed to do is rig some young girl’s butt implants with explosives.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:00 pm

  79. I feel like Trump’s foreign-policy is based upon sticking his finger in the air and seeing which way the wind blows. Because he has no guiding foundational principles, he cannot have any informed and thoughtful positions. On anything. This is further compounded by his insatiable need , this is compounded by his insatiable – and dichotomous need to be the tough guy as well have people fawn over him. There simply cannot be coherency to any policy he is forging or taking the lead on. And we know how much he listens to others more knowledgeable and informed…

    The real consequence of this is that he has already done more damage to US influence and soft power around the world just through acting as described by Dana, than Obama managed in an entire eight years. Other countries don’t know whether to believe our promises and threats, and whether to take our proposals seriously, unless and until we actual act.

    Add to this that thanks to press coverage, most of the world thinks Trump is exactly the sort of authoritarian buffoon the American left thinks he is….

    kishnevi (bb03e6) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:00 pm

  80. So why is President Trump lying to us and calling it a chemical attack, Mr. Feet?

    He’s too smart for anybody to ever fool, so if it’s not a chemical attack he must know that because he is in on the hoax.

    This is all so confusing!

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:02 pm

  81. Do we want to risk a war with Russia over this, recall the 2013 happened after the toppling of qadaffi which had led to Benghazi (the key fellow pushing both operations, employed miss obagy)

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:02 pm

  82. The real consequence of this is that he has already done more damage to US influence and soft power around the world just through acting as described by Dana

    do you have any specific examples of this?

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:02 pm

  83. We’re coming…we’re seeing…and Assad is gonna DIE HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:03 pm

  84. Now selling out the Kurds, well that’s just a day ending in y, from the Albanians philby betrayed to the contras in the 80s

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:06 pm

  85. Now theresa may assuring us the Russians were responsible were Salisbury,
    And porton down couldn’t make the sale.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:09 pm

  86. “Information attacks about the use of chlorine or other poisonous substances by the Syrian government troops are continuing. Another such hoax about the chemical attack that supposedly took place in Douma emerged yesterday,” the statement said.

    “It’s all a hoax!” Sound familiar?

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:15 am

    Chemtrails…sound familiar?

    Hey, since they can do spectral analysis of a star and figure out it’s composition could they do something similar with military satellites and whatever gasses are deployed?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:10 pm

  87. Or have drones that can fly through the area and take a sample. It might not work with heavier than air gasses though.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:13 pm

  88. Trump to do list.

    Sunday, April 8:

    1. Watch Masters. Call winner, chide losers.
    2. Order dinner- cheeseburgers, fries, chocolate cream pie

    Monday, April 9.

    1. Call Ivanka; ships or subs? How many missiles this time, dear?
    2. Call Ichan; buy General Dynamics at market open.
    3. Welcome Bolton; let Walrus Gumbo do pressers.
    4. Fire TBD missiles.
    5. Fire somebody.
    6. Order dinner- cheeseburgers, fries, chocolate cream pie

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:24 pm

  89. I believe the possibility this is a false flag deep state action by the CIA backed terrorists to keep Trump from disengaging is pretty high myself. This whole middle east mess is about the petrodollar, facilitated by the globalists that control the Federal reserve (that isn’t federal and has no reserves) and media.

    By the way, that supposed nerve agent attack by the Russians? More likely food poisoning. Funny how such a deadly incident didn’t kill the targets, don’t you think?

    Sometimes late when things are real
    And people share the gift of gab between themselves
    Some are quick to take the bait
    And catch the perfect prize that waits among the shelves

    But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man
    That he didn’t, didn’t already have
    And Cause never was the reason for the evening
    Or the tropic of Sir Galahad.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:28 pm

  90. But has it occurred to him that Assad and Putin have been emboldened by the recent stories that Trump has been pushing for a quick withdrawal from Syria?

    Not to mention his reported irritation at being advised ‘nyet’ not yet.

    But bingo all the same: ding, ding, ding, ding!

    Patterico wins his own thread.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:35 pm

  91. if i understand it right the allegation is that assad did chemical weapons on a hospital

    what was his thinking here

    what were the achieves he wanted by doing this

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:17 am

    Black Mold or MRSA mitigation.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:39 pm

  92. 11. narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:26 am

    11.I think tom Friedman used to call it hama rules, that was nearly 40 years ago.

    Hama was in 1982, (which is 36 years ago now but they didn’t talk about it till much later.

    This is actually probably Russian advised policy, so it’s very good to see Trump blaming Putin. It’s like Grodzny. It was also done in Laos in 1975, by a gopvernment influenced by Hanoi, but people “debunked” yellow rain. Also by the Soviets in Afghanistan, for awhile:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP97M00248R000500010018-6.pdf

    It’s politicide.

    When an area has completely slipped out of government control, and the entire population is against the government, sometimes the Soviet or Russian or KGB recommended strategy is to kill the entire population because they are lost to the government and it’s not worth its while to try to rule them.

    Saddam Hussein did this too.

    This is not mindless or for no reason whatsoever like Trump says. he just doesn’t understand the reason.

    But it’s good that Trump thinks so.

    There will be a response but they calculated they can afford it.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:41 pm

  93. Now if you recall, Islamic state were the same Al queda foot soldiers that coalition forces had sought in Iraq, who popped up when we left, and were recruited to a form a salafist principality in the dias verbiage.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:45 pm

  94. This is the News 5 chopper with weather and traffic, I’m seeing 72 in Joppa, Nazareth checkin’ in at 70, it’s great in Tel Aviv at 70, we’ve got Acre at 71, and if you’re in The Meggido Valley you better put on some sunscreen-whoa daddy! If you’re driving into Gaza today watch out for Palestinians in lane…back to you Dov!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:47 pm

  95. An interesting footnote to hama one of the aurvivors was mustafa setmarian he moved to spain, where according to mantes Bradley he blamed the El descanso bombing near torrejon afb, previously it was assumed itwas hezbollah, he went to Afghanistan, met bin laden at some point, returned to spain from which he planned the Madrid and London bombings. He was rendered from pakistan back to Syria. His deputy became head of ashram sham

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:54 pm

  96. Another perspective:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasWictor

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:59 pm

  97. 93- let’s also recall Osama Bin Laden’s ties to H. Bush when he was CIA director.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 12:59 pm

  98. He had been a courier for his operations in Europe.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:01 pm

  99. Damascas attacking Douma is like Los Angeles attacking rebel held Pasadena.

    Assad’s catching whiff of the fumes, weather depending.

    Longshanks is calling for archers, and his general bauks “You’ll kill your own men.”

    “But we’ll kill theirs too.” answers the king.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:01 pm

  100. Besides the gru who else was a consultant to Syrian intelligence, Georg Fischer, aloes runner who had varied experience in resettlement.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:08 pm

  101. Paper, if you change out Pasadena for Los Alamitos or Huntington Beach…it might start not being merely an analogy.

    urbanleftbehind (3ffc20) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:14 pm

  102. They generally kill everyone they come in contact with, they dispatched khattab with a poisoned letter.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:14 pm

  103. I believe the possibility this is a false flag deep state action by the CIA backed terrorists to keep Trump from disengaging is pretty high myself. This whole middle east mess is about the petrodollar, facilitated by the globalists that control the Federal reserve (that isn’t federal and has no reserves) and media.

    LOL.

    By the way, that supposed nerve agent attack by the Russians? More likely food poisoning.

    That site you linked is hilarious.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:15 pm

  104. They killed zandarbuchev with two grenades in Doha another Chechen warlord was dispatched in Dubai, the amadeyevs (sic)

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:19 pm

  105. Sorry if the images are too graphic…

    kishnevi (bb03e6) — 4/8/2018 @ 11:56 am

    I was watching Season One of DCI Banks last night. *Spoiler*

    This girl got some cocaine laced with strychnine and she ended up convulsing so bad in a bathroom stall it killed her. They thought someone had actually beaten her to death but the stall was locked from the inside. Did you know athletes used to juice with strychnine?

    Today’s performance-enhancing drugs take years to severely damage an athlete’s health. Back in 1904, they didn’t have time for such things. A couple of strychnine injections during the marathon at the 1904 Olympics helped Thomas Hicks nearly kill himself by the end of the race. It also helped him win a gold medal.

    Today, you’re most likely to find strychnine in rat poison — although some people don’t use it because it’s too cruel. You can also find it in ghoulish detective stories. Strychnine leads to convulsions, especially of the back, legs, and face. The muscles in the face pull taught, forcing the victims to smile as they die — generally of suffocation, since strychnine shuts off the ability to breathe. Strychnine does not cross the blood-brain barrier, which means that the victim is conscious until their death. It is an awful, awful way to go.

    Gizmodo

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:23 pm

  106. #nevertrumpers would sh*t a brick for eternity if Trump heralded the return of, or re-return of, The Messiah. But they would probably put him in the Pantheon of Ramses II the stubborn idiot who let the Jewish guy borrow money from Gog.

    I can only imagine.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:26 pm

  107. *taut*

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:35 pm

  108. By the way, that supposed nerve agent attack by the Russians? More likely food poisoning. Funny how such a deadly incident didn’t kill the targets, don’t you think?
    theBas

    Funny how they announced the euthanization of the Skripal cat just yesterday. They had a cat and a couple guinea pigs — now feature this in a situation where a toxic nerve agent was supposedly affecting anyone who came in contact (police officers, general public, passers by) the Skripal’s guinea pigs died of dehydration in their cage in the apartment.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5983643/skripals-beloved-cat-nash-van-drake-had-to-be-secretly-put-down-following-the-poison-attack/

    Let’s talk about fake news. Because the news now is that both Skirpal and his daughter are doing fine – much improved – from this incurable, no way back, no hope, no antidote, novichok.

    Somebody is lying.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:37 pm

  109. sleazy trashy coward john mccain does some blame america first action all up in it

    “President Trump last week signaled to the world that the United States would prematurely withdraw from Syria. Bashar Assad and his Russian and Iranian backers have heard him, and emboldened by American inaction, Assad has reportedly launched another chemical attack against innocent men, women and children, this time in Douma,” McCain said in a statement.

    poor brainwashed p.o.s. torture victim

    he needs a nap i think

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:38 pm

  110. Well parts are more sensitive than people, tiger,

    If the nivichok came from old storehouses it might explain it,

    We haven’t a grip on Syria since the 1946 election, when they pinged the station chief. (An heir to the swift meat fortune)

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:42 pm

  111. 89 – the Bas – Does this make DJT Brother Golden Hair?

    Ed from SFV (1752e1) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:44 pm

  112. from this incurable, no way back, no hope, no antidote, novichok.

    Somebody is lying.

    Do you have any quote of an official saying “incurable”, “no way back” or “no hope”?

    If not, I think we have some indication about who’s lying.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:46 pm

  113. Some of the commenters:
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y5ds5meJgr8/Wspc-xvgw1I/AAAAAAABaxo/jt9gMlEnBuAXXT_PVP98zKJtu91VUzKHACLcBGAs/s1600/1%2B1_190m_p5i5vsw4RB1tb3eifo1_500.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:51 pm

  114. That’s what God intended guinea pigs for. It’s in the definition.

    If you think you’ve been slipped a Novi by a Russkie, but your guinea pig dies of dehydration, you didn’t get poisoned by Novi. You can take that to the bank.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:52 pm

  115. Do you have any quote of an official saying “incurable”, “no way back” or “no hope”?

    there’s no such thing as a documented “light case” of nerve agent poisoning

    but there’s a lot of documentation where sleazy cia/nsa/fbi intelligence pansies make crap up though (fake news crap)

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:56 pm

  116. You think the Skripals were trying to cover up a game of Donald and Ivanka?

    urbanleftbehind (6279b7) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:57 pm

  117. Well its never been used on the battlefield, but it hAS claimed some lives of personnel. The times insists its from srikhany, but porton down can’t confirm.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:58 pm

  118. @27:
    Bush in 2000: “Maybe I’m missing something here,” Mr. Bush said in a debate with Democratic rival Al Gore. “I mean, are we going to have some kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not.”

    Bush in 2003: Well, you know…

    But, Bush is no “idiot, dimwit, moron, cretin” and had a coherent foreign policy because he listened to those “more knowledgeable”. I know this because the anti-Trumpers here yearn for a decent president of his stature, when a Harriet Miers can get nominated, yada, yada….

    random viking (6a54c2) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:04 pm

  119. this whole idea that President Trump could squander more of failmerica’s credibility than George W Bush is what we call a “silly idea” in policy analysis circles

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:06 pm

  120. Let’s talk about fake news. Because the news now is that both Skirpal and his daughter are doing fine – much improved – from this incurable, no way back, no hope, no antidote, novichok.

    Somebody is lying.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 1:37 pm

    So what ever happened to Schroedinger’s cat. Did he died [sic]?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:10 pm

  121. Sadiq Khan…put down that cat!!!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:12 pm

  122. In London, Soviet cats put down themselves!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:15 pm

  123. Bush in 2003: Well, you know…

    There is no analogy.

    Bush didn’t blame 9/11 on Clinton and Gore’s failure to perform nation-building.

    Trump, on the other hand, today blamed the Syrian chemical attack on Obama’s failure to hit Assad, which Trump vehemently opposed doing at the time.

    (It’s also not analogous because Bush was talking about nation-building activities in Bosnia where the US had no vital national security interests).

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:17 pm

  124. So what ever happened to Schroedinger’s cat. Did he died [sic]?

    Yes and no.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:17 pm

  125. obama was super-soft on pooty-poot and he got the ball rolling on genocide in syria

    that’s some serious nobel peace prize sh!t right there

    President Trump is right we should bring our tatters home

    Syria isn’t worth a single penny more much less dead soldiers

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:19 pm

  126. also, sleazy slimy panty-boy mattis should be fired

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:22 pm

  127. POISONED RUSSIAN SPY MAY NEVER RECOVER MENTAL FUNCTIONS, BRITISH JUDGE SAYS

    RUSSIAN NOVICHOK DEVELOPER SAYS THERE IS NO ANTIDOTE SO SERGEI SKRIPAL AND HIS DAUGHTER WILL DIE

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent

    Do your own googling jagoff

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:22 pm


  128. So what ever happened to Schroedinger’s cat. Did he died [sic]?

    Yes and no.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:17 pm

    Citing concerns for the cat’s mental health the box was burned, ending the experiment.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:38 pm

  129. POISONED RUSSIAN SPY MAY NEVER RECOVER MENTAL FUNCTIONS, BRITISH JUDGE SAYS

    Maybe you should Google the difference between “may” and “will”, “jagoff”.

    RUSSIAN NOVICHOK DEVELOPER SAYS THERE IS NO ANTIDOTE SO SERGEI SKRIPAL AND HIS DAUGHTER WILL DIE

    This quote doesn’t appear on either of the pages you linked. The Russian is not a British government official, and – being interviewed in Russia – knows nothing about the specific condition or dose received by the Skripals.

    What he actually said is the following:

    “If Skripal and his daughter received a lethal dose of B-1976, C-1976, or D-1980, then, most likely, they will suffer the same fate as earlier victims. There is no antidote to these agents.” (emphasis added)

    Understand what “if” means? Lack of an antidote does not mean a toxin is 100% lethal at any dosage.

    The Russian’s statement is tautological – a “lethal dose,” by definition, will “most likely” kill you, unless there is an antidote.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:39 pm

  130. Speaking of jagoff – Tracey Needham or Catherine Bell?

    I prefer Bell. Marine Corp oohrah

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:39 pm

  131. Say anything in there about the lethal dose for a guinea pig?

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:41 pm

  132. His name was…Nash Van Drake…

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 2:53 pm

  133. Nash was a survivor, supposedly of a nerve agent, but far more likely of being locked in a house without food and water for a month, so the first thing you do, instead of giving the kitty a bowl of milk, is go ahead and finish him off with a rock or whatever?

    In what universe does that make sense?

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:02 pm

  134. Well it was in the Serbian mob that set up shop in Sweden, the Arab volunteers which largely firmed. The infrastructure of a l qeda , ascertain Argentinian arms dealer of Dutch descent that supplied to the croats

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:08 pm

  135. Probably also wise to be skeptical of random Russians claiming to sooper-seekret nerve agent developers.

    Here’s another alleged Novichok developer claiming that there is an antidote:

    “Antidotes exist, but what does antidote mean?” said Vil Mirzayanov, a scientist who helped develop the agent and later immigrated to the United States, in comments to Sky News on Tuesday. “You’re saving a person who has been exposed to this gas — but temporarily, not to die this time. But he will be an invalid for the rest of his life.”

    Note this guy is assuming the poison was in gaseous form – as originally designed – but that is not how it was administered to the Skripals.

    And a British professor of toxicology says, in the same article, that there is an antidote:

    Once the chemical entered the bloodstream, it would cause the victim’s muscles to go into spasms, pupils to shrink to pinpoints, and breathing to become very labored, said Alastair Hay, an emeritus professor of toxicology at the University of Leeds. At this point, the victim’s life could be saved only by the administration of atropine, which counteracts the agent and allows the body to metabolize it.

    And here’s an article from a few days ago with a video of the same “Novichok developer” (Mirzayanov) saying:

    “Probably they got a non-lethal dose. They also got an injection of antidotes.”

    The same article says, “based on the latest briefings by UK security sources”, that the Skripals were, in fact, treated with the antidote atropine.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:10 pm

  136. I got the formula to produce Novičok A 232;

    N-[1-(diethylamino)ethylidene] amido-O-methyl-phosphorofluoridate, start the reaction of precursor methyl-fluorphosphorocyanidate and follow it with the reaction of acetonitril with diethylamin.

    Am I right? Check my work? Anyone?

    Could be wrong.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:10 pm

  137. I guess Brussels will next strike Budapest:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/08/hungarians-flock-cast-ballot-viktor-orbans-party-faces-calls/

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:13 pm

  138. Kevin M 37,

    I agree past Presidents used technology to communicate and convince, such as FDR with his Fireside Chats and Reagan did with his weekly radio addresses. They wanted Americans to approve of their leadership — just as Trump does — but I think they also used technology to promote their agendas. It seems like Trump uses it to promote himself because he doesn’t have a clear agenda.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:14 pm

  139. #nevertrumpers would sh*t a brick for eternity if Trump heralded the return of, or re-return of, The Messiah.

    Heralded, my fat aunt Fanny. He’d deport Him.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:14 pm

  140. Unless He got a foreign investor’s green card by investing $1 million in the Kushner family’s companies.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:15 pm

  141. So you cat/guinea pig conspiracy theorists believe the pets must have used the exterior door handle, and been exposed to sub-cutaneous absorption of the contact poison, just like the Skripals?

    Your eagerness to beclown yourselves in the cause of exonerating Vladimir Putin is truly remarkable. Maybe he’ll hire you for the midterms. If he hasn’t already, that is.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:18 pm

  142. papertiger inc does not endorse or encourage any nefarious skullduggery which might result from the m use of the novichok formula.

    Please mix your chemicals responsibly.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:20 pm

  143. I support half of Trump’s immigration policies (the ones he supports on odd-numbered days) but that is funny, nk.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:21 pm

  144. But I agree with happyfeet about the alleged chemical attacks. Rebel Arabs who rebel against Assad lie as much as baby formula factory owners who work for Saddam Hussein.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:21 pm

  145. Unless He got a foreign investor’s green card by investing $1 million in the Kushner family’s companies.

    Or was willing to bus tables at Mar-a-Lago for $7.50/hour.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:23 pm

  146. You have no idea of the lethal dose for a guinea pig.

    Bet the Syrian rebels know.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:27 pm

  147. I don’t know if Trump’s sham-based brinksmanship will work with Syria and Russia, because they don’t care what the world thinks of them. It has a better chance of working with China and North Korea, because China does care.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:28 pm

  148. Shame-based, not sham-based, although it might fit, too.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:28 pm

  149. Kevin M,

    Here is an example of using technology, in this case Twitter, to communicate something entertaining and valuable:

    College Station Police live-tweeted a night of patrols and the results were hilarious

    The police use entertainment to get people to watch, as do effective politicians, but this also informs us.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:41 pm

  150. Wars and rumours of war.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:43 pm

  151. Nash Van Drake, 12 cat years old, was found dead in his apartment of nine self-inflicted gunshot wounds Tuesday, as foul play was immediately ruled out.

    He is survived by his mum, Mittens, and six siblings.

    In lieu of flowers he asked that you send sugar cubes to Her Lady Camilla Parker Bowles.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:47 pm

  152. I’m very pleased how President Trump has handled this international incident that took place in Syria.

    In the future such incidents will be much reduced in number and severity due to President Trump’s swift and decisive actions today.

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:02 pm

  153. In the future such incidents will be much reduced in number and severity due to President Trump’s swift and decisive actions today.


    Or not, since I don’t think either Putin or the Syrians give a rat’s as$ about Trumps action today notwithstanding their swiftness or decisiveness.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:08 pm

  154. I was wrong about one participant:

    m.jpost.com/International/Fallout-from-the-Turkey-Iran-Russia-meeting-549022

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:24 pm

  155. http://jpost.com/International/Fallout-from-the-Turkey-Iran-Russia-meeting-549022

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:26 pm

  156. I think Putin and Assad believe Trump will do something rash, thus making him appear easily manipulated and weak, when faced with women and children hurt by chemical weapons. They are playing on his understandable emotions but IMO one reason Presidents get briefings and participate in hypothetical diplomacy/war games is so they can control their emotions at times like this.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:27 pm

  157. I’m very pleased how President Trump has handled this international incident that took place in Syria.

    In the future such incidents will be much reduced in number and severity due to President Trump’s swift and decisive actions today.

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:02 pm

    Trump ordered missiles launched in April 2017 because Syria attacked its citizens with sarin gas. In January and February 2018 there were 3 chemical attacks in the Douma region, and now this attack. I’m not sure the Syrians can stand much more Trump “he!p” if this is the result.

    Patterico is right. Trump should stop talking about withdrawing from Syria unless he does it and doesn’t care what the consequences are for the Syrian Rebels.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:48 pm

  158. We should never have been in Syria to begin with

    none of this is our problem

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 4:58 pm

  159. The Bush Family is clearly dog people

    The subject of animal experimentation for the advancement of medical science or space exploration can prove a tricky topic, as you might imagine. Say what you will about swapping monkey heads, but those experiments taught us much of what we know about the possibilities and limits of full body transplants. Still, this argument doesn’t win over everybody. Even fewer people buy into the necessity for the United States Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) deployment of “Acoustic Kitty.”

    It was the 1960s, the midst of the Cold War, and espionage was the stage for many of the machinations between the U.S. and Soviet superpowers. Given the political climate, you might be tempted to forgive the CIA for blowing five years and more than $10 million attempting to train a cat, but the addition of surgically implanted listening equipment, a battery and a tail-based antenna tend to tip things in favor of the critics [source: Edwardes].

    Following further surgical attempts to bug the cat and curb its hunger, it darted under a taxicab during a field test and died. Was the animal’s death an accident or an act of sacrifice to end a monstrous program? Today, house cats continue to ignore their human owners, presumably free from surgically implanted spy equipment.

    The American public didn’t learn about Acoustic Kitty until the related documents were declassified in 2001.

    Science How Stuff Works

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:02 pm

  160. “the Bas” is linking to Hal Turner.

    “Harold Charles “Hal” Turner (born March 15, 1962) is an American white nationalist, Holocaust denier,[1] and blogger from North Bergen, New Jersey. In August 2010, he was convicted for making threats against three federal judges

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:13 pm

  161. New Jersey ugh

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:14 pm

  162. That Darn Cat!

    A woman is kidnapped. While in captivity, she manages to send a message out with a wandering cat. The cat’s owner calls the FBI. The FBI tries to follow the cat. Jealous boyfriends and nosy neighbours also get in the act.

    FBI shows up and kills hapless woman.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:17 pm

  163. Heralded, my fat aunt Fanny. He’d deport Him.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:14 pm

    You got some of that Reformed LDS in your woodpile, buddy? Just down river to the Promised Land.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:20 pm

  164. I was going to make a His Man in Cairo joke earlier lol.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:21 pm

  165. I have no idea who Turner is, I just thought his updates interesting. Is he lying about Russia massing troops on the Ukrainian border?

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:22 pm

  166. Did you see any marchers with your aunt’s Fanny Hats? Mr DCSCA knows what’s up.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:22 pm

  167. Don’t tell your Olde English Aunt Fanny you want to get stuffed at the dinner table.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:23 pm

  168. So a few thousand troops will hold off the combined harakat, Syrian and Iranian forces, good to know, have we enough wisdom to know which faction should run which part of which city, liwa Al Islam the main faction inneast ghouta has a dodge history.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:23 pm

  169. Did they deliver OT by airstrike like khan shaykoum or missile like ghouta ear
    Er.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:25 pm

  170. “I have no idea who Turner is, I just thought his updates interesting.“

    – the Bas

    Yeah, sure. You don’t look up the background of the people who start the rumors you want to spread?

    How’d you end up at Hal Turner’s website in the first place? Just stumble across a link on Politico or something?

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:26 pm

  171. There’s a reason I looked him up right after clicking on your link, dude. It’s because he sounds like an Alt-right Holocaust denier.

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:29 pm

  172. Truth be told, people thinking war with Russia is a wise choice are more scary to me than a NJ white nationalist with a blog.

    I’m probably an outlier in America at this point.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:29 pm

  173. Politic the hive of the journalist, that procopius worthy biography of Hillary came from two of their contributors, by contrast, josh meters expose that feature hezbollah Venezuela west Africa Iran plague and the Ukraine went down the memory hole.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:31 pm

  174. The bio of Hal Turner you found is a little bit off, Leviticus. Here is a more accurate one:

    “”Jews love to complain about the “Holocaust.” Let me tell you, there was no Holocaust in World War 2 — but rest assured, there most certainly IS GOING TO BE a holocaust. I look forward to participating with zeal.
    —Hal Turner, October 2, 2007.[1]
    Hal “from North Bergen” Turner (born 1962) is a seriously deranged neo-Nazi jerkwad, Holocaust denier/FBI snitch from North Bergen, New Jersey, former good friend of Sean Hannity,[2] shortwave radio reject, and a /b/tard punching bag. Turner is known for openly endorsing the murder of non-whites and people who are “pro-immigration”, and he frequently called for the assassination of US officials whose views he despises, even posting their names and addresses on his website. Unsurprisingly he lives in a town that is also the name of a Nazi concentration camp.
    For a fleeting moment in early 2008, it looked like he might be a deep cover liberal, but he turned out to be nothing more than an FBI rat who was in it for the money. (Granted we’re talking about a bunch of worthless dirtbags that need ratting on to begin with, but come on, FBI. We’ve upped our standards. Up yours.)

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:33 pm

  175. Leviticus, the MSM is your go to source? Good luck with that.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:35 pm

  176. +1 thread to Leviticus.

    The man is on a roll…

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:37 pm

  177. Spec the folks who put a target on the family research center, who have blatantly denied husri alias fgm or the puffington who has traded in antisemjtic thrones this side of the volkisher beobacter.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:41 pm

  178. Is he the guy with the diaries?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:55 pm

  179. Define “MSM.” Is it “any news outlet that treats the Holocaust as a historical reality”?

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:58 pm

  180. Start with do they think the world is a sphere?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 5:59 pm

  181. MSM: any media outlet that makes fun of Alex Jones.

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:01 pm

  182. MSM: any media outlet that acts like its audience doesn’t already have their signed copies of Siege within arm’s reach at any given moment.

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:03 pm

  183. No that was William pierce, Hal Turner is a nullity, oddly there is a fellow who has targeted law enforcement but Barbara Streisand is on his speed dial.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:13 pm

  184. Except in Cambodia from 1975-78, who covered the holomodor with a pillow and have the Pulitzer to prove it.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:15 pm

  185. those diaries were fiction, right? or was that the basketball diaries?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:25 pm

  186. First time I’ve heard of that particular book titled “Siege”, but it sure explains a lot:

    “Siege” by James Mason unlike “The Turner Diaries” however is a non fiction book that gives a realistic outline of how a white racial revolution could be acheived in the United States if only the grand bulk of the white racial movement could pull its collective head out of its backside and abandon conservative Republican politics wholesale along with the conservative Republican way of thinking.

    The reasoning for this is that the Republican party much like the Democratic party is controlled by Jews and is now only a puppet of world Jewry whose sole use now is that of maintaining in the public consciousness that they still have a choice on who their leaders are.

    Trumpkins!!!!

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:30 pm

  187. Both, one might think it a wish fulfillment story, a program to wage a revolution against his bete noires the strangest hilosophy professor since wes craven and the founder of the shining path.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:34 pm

  188. The alt right was like the birch society, but portions of that devolved to the minutemen and the secret army organization.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:44 pm

  189. Now Assad is like Milosevic with a better wardrobe, but what threat does he pose to us, if he gets that reactor in quardaha it might be another , also the missiles North Korea sent them.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:47 pm

  190. 161.New Jersey ugh

    Melania grunts that every time she and Barron whirlybird to Bedminister, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:49 pm

  191. How’d you end up at Hal Turner’s website in the first place? Just stumble across a link on Politico or something?

    LOL. Gateway Pundit or the Treehouse, the Bas? You can tell us. This is a safe space!

    Patterico (232ecf) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:50 pm

  192. 158. …should never have been in Syria to begin with

    Sounds like something Mr. Cohen said to our Captain before drafting another NDA, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:53 pm

  193. I read my wife’s diaries last summer and they didn’t say one word about The Jews which I thought was a little odd.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:54 pm

  194. You might like Molon Labe by Boston T Party mr nk. Free State Project in Wyoming.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:56 pm

  195. We were there because of al queda, lugnut,

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:56 pm

  196. 185.those diaries were fiction, right? or was that the basketball diaries?

    For the benefit of Canadian readers, that has a ring to it, PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 6:56 pm

  197. So why would Assad engage innovations that would reinforce instincts seem last march.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:05 pm

  198. A Google search of that Hal Turner link currently shows it linked at 4chan and some Rooskie sites. I really would be fascinated to know how the Bas ran across it. Is the Bas a Russian troll? A regular fan of Hal Turner who claims not to know who he is? Someone who frequents 4chan or Russian sites? Or what, exactly?

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:07 pm

  199. “Gateway Pundit or the Treehouse”

    A commenter at ANP. Like I said, I never heard of Turner before, and characterized the link as “rumours”.

    I read a lot of stuff and no, don’t usually check bio’s. Sorry for anyone I may have inadvertently triggered.

    So, is it a lie that Russia is massing troops on the Ukrainian border?

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:13 pm

  200. They would know about it:

    http://www.interpretermag.com/day-1483/

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:19 pm

  201. A commenter at ANP.

    American Nazi Party?

    I Googled the acronym and couldn’t find it.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:22 pm

  202. I read a lot of stuff and no, don’t usually check bio’s. Sorry for anyone I may have inadvertently triggered.

    Hey, it’s just insufficient skepticism of sourcing. You’ve never bitched at me for that, I assume.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:24 pm

  203. Leviticus, the MSM is your go to source? Good luck with that.

    Says the guy whose source is a racist Holocaust denier.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:25 pm

  204. When the same ten publications publish fusion propaganda with out sting the source lol.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:31 pm

  205. It’s probably best that when engaging highly ethical, intelligent, people, don’t link nazis

    EPWJ (9957a2) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:32 pm

  206. So, is it a lie that Russia is massing troops on the Ukrainian border?

    Probably. https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-troops-gradually-moving-off-ukraine-border/

    Or you could read a NYT story from four years ago, I suppose. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:33 pm

  207. I remember North Bergen as a grey blue with too many cementaries for such a small town, down the hill, behind the park in front of the school, Richard price sets his stories there, that tells you everything

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:35 pm

  208. Note the date on the interpreter, slightly over four years since the incursion.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:36 pm

  209. 207.I remember North Bergen as a grey blue with too many cementaries for such a small town, down the hill, behind the park in front of the school, Richard price sets his stories there, that tells you everything

    LOL. But they do have a nice mall.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:37 pm

  210. That is best, EPWJ, but sometimes people are taken in. I have been. I sometimes forget that the entire web is full of fakes and liars and don’t vet a source and BAM! I get screwed.

    As narciso mentioned the MSM get buggered too and they have almost unlimited resources so obviously nobody’s perfect.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:37 pm

  211. Is this the place that did a whole post on the Micheal Wolff book? LOL.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:39 pm

  212. I did have expect that they would have made more progress not as far as Odessa obviously but out past the donbass

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:40 pm

  213. “Don’t believe everything you read on the internet”
    – Abraham Lincoln

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:41 pm

  214. I recall it was a series of posts including one that turned to be false about hope hicks,

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:44 pm

  215. “When we die we go bye bye.”
    – Abe Lincolns

    random viking (6a54c2) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:44 pm

  216. 206-nk, both your links are from four years ago.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:45 pm

  217. You’re right. It’s still four-year old news.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:48 pm

  218. So, is it a lie that Russia is massing troops on the Ukrainian border?

    Consider the source:

    Hal is a Holocaust denier. Alex says the moon landings were faked. Was Nordhausen a spa?

    “Well, certainly no one could have been unaware of the very strange stories floating around… Rumors about something being dug up on the Moon.” – ‘HAL’ ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’ 1968

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:48 pm

  219. Is this the place that did a whole post on the Micheal Wolff book?

    No, it’s the site that did four whole Stormy posts.

    random viking (6a54c2) — 4/8/2018 @ 7:50 pm

  220. Is this the place that did a whole post on the Micheal Wolff book? LOL.

    Yup, and said that it was not trustworthy but that parts were obviously true. And guess what? Parts were.

    Nice try, but I’m not the one citing a Holocaust denier. You are.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:00 pm

  221. No, it’s the site that did four whole Stormy posts.

    I do it to make you cry.

    It’s working.

    Wipe away those tears and be a man.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:00 pm

  222. Question DCSCA, since Hal Turner is a holocaust denier if what he says about this topic ends up being true and correct what happens? Should we deny he is right? Does being a racist mean he’s always wrong or just what he says must be more thoroughly vetted? Just asking because I’ve read statements attributed to some people who deserve my hatred with witch I completely agree. For example I agree with Mao’s opinion here regarding a communist state:
    https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativethinkers.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F01%2Fmao.jpg&key=6c3cgRM4v8vKAC-nleCt5g&w=600&h=381

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:02 pm

  223. I recall it was a series of posts including one that turned to be false about hope hicks,

    Your usual vagueness will not do here. Are you accusing me of doing a false post about Hope Hicks? Take it back.

    If your typically obtuse allusion is to Wolff accusing Hicks of an affair with Trump (I am reading between the lines as one must always do with you) then you’re flatly wrong. That was not Wolff’s accusation, as anyone who read the book knew, and I said in comments that the only person he could be talking about was Nikki Haley — and that I didn’t believe that, and his rumormongering did not reflect well on him.

    Days later, I was proven right. He had been referring to Haley and his accusation was irresponsible and he had to walk it back.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:03 pm

  224. He was recklessly vague, what exactly was the news value of the post. dinne

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:06 pm

  225. Question DCSCA, since Hal Turner is a holocaust denier if what he says about this topic ends up being true and correct what happens? Should we deny he is right? Does being a racist mean he’s always wrong or just what he says must be more thoroughly vetted? Just asking because I’ve read statements attributed to some people who deserve my hatred with witch I completely agree. For example I agree with Mao’s opinion here regarding a communist state:

    If Gateway Pundit ends up getting something right, does that mean he should be cited on a reputable blog like mine?

    Um no.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:06 pm

  226. It depends on the nature of the source, the times has whitewashed so many persons foreign and domestic one can’t really rely on it.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:08 pm

  227. He was recklessly vague, what exactly was the news value of the post. dinne

    Didn’t do a post, as I recall. Someone mentioned it in comments, as memory serves, saying it was Hope Hicks. I corrected them and said all allusions seemed to be to Nikki Haley, and that seemed silly.

    So the news value of my mentioning it in comments was a) to correct someone else on the allegation and b) to note that the allegation was not credible.

    So take back your false accusation please.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:08 pm

  228. @44. we can’t afford to use our joke military President Trump is wisely gonna do a coalition all up in it and leverage this (putative) chemical weapon attack to isolate Russia

    Can you still sink a $14 billion aircraft carrier w/a few Exocet missiles at $2.5 million each, Mr. Feet?

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:09 pm

  229. This is like OITNB where Piper said “The food here sucks” and old girl said “oh no she din’t” and Captain Janeway said “oh yeah she did and I’m Russian all up in it” and as far as I know Piper hasn’t eaten yet, don’t spoil it for me.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:10 pm

  230. I get it, you don’t like trump, so every third insinuation about capable women who happen to be attractive is fair game now, I think bannon did a lot of damage to the causes he expouses not merely breitbart with his vendetta seeking.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:14 pm

  231. @222. A broken wall clock is right twice a day, Hoagie. But you want to be right with the world- and on time for work– wind your watch.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:14 pm

  232. Now I have to research comments to rebut bullshit from narciso.

    Dave says in a comment on a Stormy Daniels post:

    Michael Wolff claims Dirty Donnie is currently having an affair:

    “Oh, it’s somebody he’s f*cking right now?” Maher asked.

    “Yes,” Wolff said. “You just have to read between the lines… It’s toward the end of the book, you’ll know it. Now that I’ve told you when you hit that paragraph, you’ll say bingo.”

    I reply:

    “Oh, it’s somebody he’s f*cking right now?” Maher asked.

    “Yes,” Wolff said. “You just have to read between the lines… It’s toward the end of the book, you’ll know it. Now that I’ve told you when you hit that paragraph, you’ll say bingo.”

    The only person I can see near the end of the book about whom Wolff could be hinting is Nikki Haley — and I don’t believe that for a moment.

    Dave says he thought it was Hicks and I reply: “I see no arguable hints in the book about Hicks. I do about Haley.” I add further down: “I’d like to think she’s far too smart and ambitious for that.” Several days later, near the end of the thread, after new stories hit showing that the allusion was to Haley and that she forcefully denied it, I say: “Pretty clear by now that (as I said) the smear was about Haley — and I’m glad to see her forcefully refuting them, since (as I said) I never bought it to begin with.”

    Retract your false claim about me, narciso. Now. It pisses me off. A lot.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:15 pm

  233. I get it, you don’t like trump, so every third insinuation about capable women who happen to be attractive is fair game now

    I get it, you don’t like criticism of Trump, so you think you get to make false accusations against me. You don’t. I just proved you got it badly badly wrong.

    Take it back. Now.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:16 pm

  234. There are countermeasures since then, disco, but how would you deal with maritime defenses which we might have to breach in the future.

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:16 pm

  235. narciso pretends that I floated a false post about Hope Hicks. I prove that I did no such post, that what I did was rebut a similar rumor about Nikki Haley, and I want a retraction from narciso.

    I’m done with people lying about me here.

    Got it? DONE.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:18 pm

  236. Stop ignoring me and retract your claim or I will mute you until you do.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:19 pm

  237. I posted a link to the original blurb about Wolff’s comment, and since I hadn’t read the book I said I had no idea who he could be referring to. Patrick said the only one that seemed to fit Wolff’s hint was Haley, and said flat-out that he didn’t believe it.

    I think the subject came up in the comments again a few days later after Haley denied it.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:19 pm

  238. Narciso, the Times has lied, whitewashed, edited in, edited out so many things since Walter Duranty I don’t consider it media. I consider it disinformation. I think the problem with the MSM is they all begin with the same source and they all have the same agenda, the same narrative and almost always use the very same words. Who can believe that?

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:19 pm

  239. A broken military clock is right only once a day mr DCSCA.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:20 pm

  240. (Obv I posted my recollect before seeing Patrick’s quote, but it pretty much says the same…)

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:20 pm

  241. The Ukraine News Agency may be the source of the report that 77000 Russian troops are massed at the border as Hal Thomas claims. Maybe it’s because of Syria but my guess it’s because the Trump Administration authorized the release of sniper weapon systems to Ukraine — weapons authorized in 2015 pursuant to legislation by McCain and Portman. Portman was in Ukraine last week and said he saw “firsthand evidence of Russian aggression on Eastern Border.”

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:21 pm

  242. Yes, Dave recounts what happened and I want narciso to take back his false accusation.

    If I see one more comment from him that fails to address this, I’m muting him until he takes it back.

    I’m sick of this. You can whine and bitch and moan that you hate it when I criticize your freaking cult leader but do NOT lie about what I say on the Web site.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:22 pm

  243. @222. Mao was a great little capitalist, Hoagie. His ‘little red book’ sold for just 25 cents at Speakers’ Corner in London’s Hyde Park. A Pepsi cost much more!

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:22 pm

  244. Bill Maher is generally what I scrape from the bottom of my shoe, but I’ll admit you were posting this in good faith, my friends at the other blog wonder why I tarry here, and I sometimes do ad well, the real work you do is valuable, the information you have provided in the past is as well. But you do understand your enemy is not us, but the jackals who committed so many crimes yet gamed the system, there seemingly is no accountability for him, that I can see. State and federal authorities are out of his reach appatently

    narciso (d1f714) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:23 pm

  245. 235.narciso pretends that I floated a false post about Hope Hicks. I prove that I did no such post, that what I did was rebut a similar rumor about Nikki Haley, and I want a retraction from narciso.

    You might want to suggest it is in Earth English, too. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:26 pm

  246. Bill Maher is generally what I scrape from the bottom of my shoe, but I’ll admit you were posting this in good faith, my friends at the other blog wonder why I tarry here, and I sometimes do ad well, the real work you do is valuable, the information you have provided in the past is as well. But you do understand your enemy is not us, but the jackals who committed so many crimes yet gamed the system, there seemingly is no accountability for him, that I can see. State and federal authorities are out of his reach appatently

    What the f[vowel deleted]ck does “posting this in good faith” mean? I DIDN’T POST IT. I responded to an inaccurate comment from Dave about the target of the false rumor, and said I didn’t believe it. NOTHING I DID THERE IS WRONG AND I WANT YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

    I don’t give a crap what your friends from the other blog think. You’re being deliberately obtuse about the nature of what I did, and you continue to suggest that I “posted” a false rumor about either Hope Hicks or Nikki Haley. I did neither. The next comment of yours to appear will acknowledge that. You’re muted until I see a clear acknowledgment on your part that you were wrong to suggest that I posted any kind of false rumor — other than to correct another commenter as to who the focus of the rumor was, and state that I disagreed.

    You’re going to have to shelve your trademark obtuseness for a single comment, to make it clear that you take it back.

    Until you do, your comments do not get published. People don’t get to lie about me any more. Period. It stops now.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:28 pm

  247. I am sorry to see these comments, Patterico, but I am glad to see you get involved. IMO it has become a common occurrence.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:28 pm

  248. Mr DCSCA

    I’m glad to know that the famous American Flag on the moon (As seen on MTV) had a rod in it to hold it out. That makes sense now.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:29 pm

  249. 239.A broken military clock is right only once a day mr DCSCA.

    $700 billion buys you an hour, eh. That sounds about right for the Pentagon, PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:30 pm

  250. Would you believe that narciso has a comment in moderation that is gobbeldygook but that does not acknowledge and apologize for his false accusation?

    Believe it.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:32 pm

  251. I fear that asking this guy to say anything clearly might be the death knell for his comments here.

    But he’s not dumb. My request is clearly worded and it’s fair.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:34 pm

  252. On those rare occasions where I can understand him, I usually disagree with narciso, but that one outburst really seems out of character for him, so I hope things will be put right…

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:35 pm

  253. As DCSCSDSCSA said, narciso, it has to be in something resembling English. Cut and paste this if it helps:

    “I’m sorry that I accused you of spreading a rumor about Hope Hicks in a post. I see now that I made a mistake and that my accusation was unfair. I am sorry.”

    Cut and paste that and indicate you agree with it, and all is forgiven.

    I wrote the English for you. I can’t make it any easier than that.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:35 pm

  254. @251. A complete and coherent sentence would be a victory unto itself, P. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:38 pm

  255. Latest comment in moderation: “You are an honorable man, so you were earnestly seeking the truth, it you do t grant others the same presumption, do whatever you want.”

    Still implies I posted a false rumor about Hope Hicks. Not good enough. I didn’t. I corrected someone else’s, said the rumor had to be about Haley, and said it had to be wrong.

    I have written you a roadmap on how to apologize. I don’t want to moderate you, but this is a red line. It’s wasting all kinds of my time and irritating me. Cut and paste what I wrote for you if it’s too hard to put it in your own English.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:38 pm

  256. narciso can communicate more effectively when he is pressed and/or when he really wants us to understand, but it impairs his stream of consciousness schtick and limits his multitude of off-topic links.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:38 pm

  257. A complete and coherent sentence would be a victory unto itself, P.

    I wrote it for him. “I’m sorry that I accused you of spreading a rumor about Hope Hicks in a post. I see now that I made a mistake and that my accusation was unfair. I am sorry.”

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:39 pm

  258. He has no choice but to communicate this effectively.

    The Bas must be thrilled with the sideshow he helped create.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:40 pm

  259. @248. One was broken, PP. You have a one in six chance to guess which.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:40 pm

  260. @257. Nicely inked; fair and balanced.

    ___

    @258. The Bas must be thrilled with the sideshow he helped create.

    That’s likely how Hal and Alex feel at the end of each broadcast, too. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:44 pm

  261. Actually, I am sure the Bas is not happy to have his white supremacist, anti-Semitic “sources” exposes and ridiculed.

    Leviticus (f1078c) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:45 pm

  262. “Yup, and said that it was not trustworthy but that parts were obviously true. And guess what? Parts were.”

    And I characterized the link I posted as a rumour, and said I don’t know who Turner was. And 241 found a second source that possibly means parts were true

    But I’m not interested in getting into a pissing match with you. Ill stipulate you are a paragon of virtue while I am but a weak shadow amongst the gloom next to your bright light of righteousness.

    the Bas (93c406) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:46 pm

  263. @241. Yes, DRJ, but that number waxes and wanes w/everything from winter to weather over the years. They’ve had troop playing around there for long time now– sometimes playing in the other fellas backyard. The Big Eyes in the Sky are watching them.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:49 pm

  264. Quality and clarity of apologies matter. A lot.

    Otherwise, Jimmy Kimmel would not have gone to such lengths in his “apology” earlier today and narciso would have admitted his error and moved on.

    Great on Pat for insisting on direct and honest communication.

    Ed from SFV (1752e1) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:49 pm

  265. Patterico, you are a stand up guy, a man of honor, and truthful. It’s why I hang out here, even though you might wish I didn’t. For whatever it’s worth….

    random viking (6a54c2) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:49 pm

  266. @222. Mao was a great little capitalist, Hoagie. His ‘little red book’ sold for just 25 cents at Speakers’ Corner in London’s Hyde Park. A Pepsi cost much more!

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:22 pm

    It’s a Cookbook:

    How to Feed 30 Million People (You Don’t)

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:50 pm

  267. I like having narciso around, which is why I am trying to help him so much. But I can’t have people just falsely accuse me of trying to spread outrageous rumors and then not clearly apologize when I show beyond question that the accusation is unfair.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:51 pm

  268. Jimmy bent the knee?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:52 pm

  269. This is something like an hour I have spent on this. It’s highly annoying.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:52 pm

  270. I liked how theBas’ link to the Federal Reserve “expose'” listed a bunch of obviously Jewish names as the “owners” of the Federal Reserve Banks, as if it were proof the secret international Jewish conspiracy:

    b. Below is the list of the owners of the 12 Central Banks:
    – Rothschild Bank of London
    – Rothschild Bank of Berlin
    – Lazard Brothers of Paris
    – Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    – Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
    – Warburg Bank of Hamburg
    – Lehman Brothers of New York
    – Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    – Goldman, Sachs of New York
    – Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

    In fact, as Wikipedia explains:

    Nationally chartered commercial banks are required to hold stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of their region, which entitles them to elect some of their board members.

    So every major bank in the United States must be “an owner” of central banks, by law.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:55 pm

  271. @266.It’s a Cookbook: How to Feed 30 Million People (You Don’t)

    You do, PP: it was printed on rice paper.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:57 pm

  272. I think narciso’s latest post is trying to be conciliatory. But he doesn’t take back the key accusation he made.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:57 pm

  273. I think Israel Moses was Jerry Reed’s banker.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:01 pm

  274. 269.This is something like an hour I have spent on this. It’s highly annoying.

    Exactly how I feel when I have to spend an hour responding to a letter arriving on a Monday from the HOA telling me to cut the grass when I cut it on Sunday.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:02 pm

  275. So every major bank in the United States must be “an owner” of central banks, by law.

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:55 pm

    So it’s more like a Jewish Conspiracy FCU?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:04 pm

  276. Can the ‘stache save us?

    (Q: Who thought that red and orange chair in the background matched the decor of the room?!)

    Dave (445e97) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:05 pm

  277. Ok, say what you want about Alex Jones, but that Bohemian Grove is some creepy sh*t.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:09 pm

  278. You can get anything you want

    At John Podesta’s restaurant

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:12 pm

  279. Who is Hal?

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:15 pm

  280. 277.Ok, say what you want about Alex Jones, but that Bohemian Grove is some creepy sh*t.

    D’oh! ‘Who keeps Atlantis off the maps; who keeps the Martians under wraps…’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSpOjj4YD8c

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:19 pm

  281. 263, true. Russian troops have made repeated incursions into Ukraine, especially since 2013. Hal Turner makes it sound like it means the world is on the brink of war. Maybe we are but I think he’s counting on his audience being unfamiliar with Russian-Ukrainian relations.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:25 pm

  282. Did you get cited by your HOA for wearing black knee high socks, Mr DCSCA, or were you grandfathered in?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:29 pm

  283. It’s encouraging that Trump has opted for airstrikes by a small coalition instead of going it alone. Does America now have military interests in Syria or is this a limited humanitarian gesture?

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:31 pm

  284. Who is Hal?

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:15 pm

    “I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.”

    HAL

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:31 pm

  285. Where do you live? Up here, everybody wears dark socks with shorts and sneakers. For several years now. It’s the fashion. And by everybody, I mean from kids to middle-aged joggers.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:34 pm

  286. @281. Seems so.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:34 pm

  287. Patterico seems to be exactly right about no Congressional authorization but it sounds like Trump is doing airstrikes as McCain and Graham recommended.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:35 pm

  288. I’m kind of worried though, if being called a white nationalist is the criteria for expulsion, that tends to be the beginning point of conversation on the net.

    Like for instance over at the Hill a guy called me comrade, while he was paradoxically advocating for more government via the EPA, implying derisively that I were a Russian agent.

    How does one prove a negative? Like in court. “are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party/”

    Well. There was that one time I voted for Gore. But I voted for Dan Lungren down ticket.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:35 pm

  289. Patterico seems to be exactly right about no Congressional authorization but it sounds like Trump is doing airstrikes as McCain and Graham recommended.

    As far as I can tell, the Pentagon has denied air strikes so far. IDF took credit for the ones I read about.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:39 pm

  290. 279.Who is Hal?

    A brainiac from Urbana, Illinois

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIQpnQVe5c

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:43 pm

  291. papertiger,

    Above, the Bas linked a website by someone named Hal Turner about Russia, Ukraine, and “rumours of war.” Turner’s Wikipedia page labels him a white supremacist and he has also apparently served time for threatening judges.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:44 pm

  292. My sister used to play the Hal game with me when we were little (well when I was little).

    “Open the pod bay door, Sharon. It’s raining out here. Open the pod bay door!”

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:46 pm

  293. Trump and Macron announced a joint response this evening, but maybe the airstrike report is something else.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:47 pm

  294. Say what you want about Obama, he got Putin into a border war with the Ukraine (when he overthrew his puppet) and into a civil war in Syria. It’s hard on the Ukrainians and Syrians, but it helps balance out Iraq and Afghanistan.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:53 pm

  295. @293. Interesting he didn’t call the Brits or perhaps he did and they were noncommittal ’til the UN meets Monday. But a ‘coordinated response’ w/France? Mon Dieu. One launches a parade, the other launches a parade of missiles, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:54 pm

  296. This news website seems to think it was the Israelis, too.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:54 pm

  297. … he has also apparently served time for threatening judges.

    Well I was tossed off the blog for that. Lucky I have friends, so no hoosecow time.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:55 pm

  298. I wonder. Is that why Putin preferred Trump to Hillary? He thought Trump would be more isolationist?

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:55 pm

  299. France has long history with Syria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Syria_relations

    The French arm the Syrian rebels that Assad was putting the chemicals to.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:01 pm

  300. 298.I wonder. Is that why Putin preferred Trump to Hillary? He thought Trump would be more isolationist?

    Could be Putin has that video and Trump looks better in a dress.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:04 pm

  301. I have no idea if this is reliable but, if so, the British may be involved in security/logistics:

    This comes amid reports in Turkish media last week that the US was bolstering its military presence in Syria’s Manbij, setting up two new facilities in the region and deploying 300 troops, armored vehicles and construction units in the area.

    Kurdish commanders speaking to Sputnik have confirmed that the US, France and the UK were beefing up their presence in Manbij, adding that this seemed to indicate that the US and Turkey had not reached a deal on each other’s ongoing operations in the region.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:05 pm

  302. An ISIS attack carried out at the same time? Maybe, plus some speculation why the Israelis might be involved. Everything is wildly speculative.

    DRJ (15874d) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:15 pm

  303. @301. DRJ, our Captain is at 3D chess again: when chemical bombs land in Syria move troops to the Mexican border. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:17 pm

  304. our Captain is at 3D chess again: when chemical bombs land in Syria move troops to the Mexican border. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) —

    The Capitan should make you campaign manager.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 10:22 pm

  305. Where do you live? Up here, everybody wears dark socks with shorts and sneakers. For several years now. It’s the fashion. And by everybody, I mean from kids to middle-aged joggers.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:34 pm

    Middle Tennessee. If you hold your Bible Belt up to the camera I can show you.

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:16 am

  306. You do, PP: it was printed on rice paper.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/8/2018 @ 8:57 pm

    Does the rice paper ever jamb in your soy sauce jet printer?

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:19 am

  307. How does one prove a negative? Like in court. “are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party/”

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 9:35 pm

    If you have an 88 tattoo you better be a die hard Dale Jr fan.

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:22 am

  308. If people in Chicago want to wear black socks with shorts and ban guns I say God bless them. I probably won’t visit and I sure won’t go to jail as a method of “protest” and get stuck carrying a bow everywhere.

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:36 am

  309. I know things have gone off the rails already but I was listening to a little Coast to Coast AM on the way home. This guy named Ali Siaditan was on talking about the Altar of Zeus, which is interesting. I knew nothing about it.

    The Altar of Zeus wasn’t in Raiders was it? It seems like a pretty good bookend to The Ark. Stolen from Turkey and taken to Berlin and used in Nazi pageantry. One thing Ali said is that the SS lightning bolts came from Zeus, IDK.

    This guy could be all A Beautiful Mind or he’s really connecting dots but here is Jonathan Cahn breaking it down Not the keyboard player for Journey

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:19 am

  310. I’m interested in your Greek knowledge mr nk. Or knowledge of Greek if you prefer. At about 10:26 Mr Cahn seems to be saying the Greek name for The Altar of Zeus is caustos which means burnt and whole or complete relating to burnt which is holos or holos caustos. What do you make of that?

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:26 am

  311. According to this guy, Auschwitz means The Holy Place.

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:33 am

  312. @304. The Capitan should make you campaign manager.

    Here’s to Hoping for a Hickey.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:46 am

  313. @306. Does the rice paper ever jamb in your soy sauce jet printer?

    No, but the chops stick.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:48 am

  314. I guess any altar would be called a holoscaustos from The Septuagint. I’d love to know a little more about what you might call a false cognate between Hebrew Nissan and Japanese Nissan. I’m sure it’s a coincidence.

    I really shouldn’t watch stuff like this before bed.

    Pinandpuller (a57aea) — 4/9/2018 @ 2:20 am

  315. in what whirl would dirty dirty Amazon open a headquarters in a ghetto state like Maryland

    not this one

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 4:04 am

  316. Yes, that is the original meaning of “holocaust”. Total burn. Conflagration. I think it was used for funeral pyres as well as sacrifices. Maybe more. The more common term for sacrifices to the gods was “hecatombe”, literally “100 cows”, even if 100 cows were not actually slaughtered.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/9/2018 @ 5:33 am

  317. that’s a lot of fajitas

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 5:34 am

  318. that’s a lot of fajitas

    Yes, yes, it is, and it was the people who got to eat them, under the contract Prometheus had made with the gods. The people got the meat; the gods got the skin, bones, fat and offal. Prometheus was a shrewd negotiator.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/9/2018 @ 5:40 am

  319. And that, happyfeets, is where Gyros come from.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/9/2018 @ 6:01 am

  320. i miss gyros next time i start back on carbs I’m a hit up budacki’s

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 6:30 am

  321. i always feel bad for Mr. Prometheus and how his liver kept getting eated all the time

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 6:32 am

  322. There’s more than one parallel to Steve Jobs there.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/9/2018 @ 6:45 am

  323. I’m really trying to figure out whose side McCain is on:

    In a statement Sunday afternoon, McCain indirectly blamed Trump for the chemical weapons attack in Syria, suggesting Trump’s recent comments about leaving Syria “very soon” and his non-interventionist approach have “emboldened” Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    “President Trump last week signaled to the world that the United States would prematurely withdraw from Syria,” McCain said. “Bashar Assad and his Russian and Iranian backers have heard him, and emboldened by American inaction, Assad has reportedly launched another chemical attack against innocent men, women and children, this time in Douma.”


    From the Wash. Times. Unvetted by me.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/9/2018 @ 6:50 am

  324. cowardly disgrace-to-the-uniform john mccain serves daddy soros

    he’s spent his whole life on his knees

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 6:53 am

  325. “The more common term for sacrifices to the gods was “hecatombe”, literally “100 cows”, even if 100 cows were not actually slaughtered.“

    Hence teh old colloquialism, “all hat, no hecatombe”…

    Colonel Haiku (8c2b3a) — 4/9/2018 @ 7:05 am

  326. Gyros are once a year food for me, meant to be eaten when solitude is assured in the subsequent 24 hours.

    urbanleftbehind (6279b7) — 4/9/2018 @ 7:07 am

  327. “Obama empowered ISIS and Iran next door to Syria. Then he empowered Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda militias in Syria. And then he finally empowered Iran, Assad and Russia in Syria.
    If he had set out to cause as much death and devastation as possible in Syria, he couldn’t have done any more damage without dropping nuclear bombs or his campaign propaganda on its major cities.

    Every major terror player in Syria was empowered by Obama’s terrible decisions.”

    —- Daniel Greenfield

    Colonel Haiku (8c2b3a) — 4/9/2018 @ 7:08 am

  328. https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269828/three-ways-obama-caused-syrian-disaster-daniel-greenfield

    Colonel Haiku (8c2b3a) — 4/9/2018 @ 7:17 am

  329. Should anybody really care whether the Caliphate takes over Germany?

    nk (dbc370) — 4/9/2018 @ 7:35 am

  330. They should donate Chico to CAIR.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/9/2018 @ 7:37 am

  331. That inspires me to revisit my whole pit bull pogrom program which could be an illusory example to miscreant “peoples”.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 4/9/2018 @ 8:08 am

  332. Boom, roasted. I’m going back to sleep.

    Pinandpuller (ec7a2c) — 4/9/2018 @ 8:11 am

  333. the butt-ugly cow David Apol’s married to was an environmental official in the food stamp administration

    she was heavily invested in the Paris Agreement Mr. Scott Pruitt opposes

    and now her scummy husband’s abusing his office to go after Mr. Pruitt

    not cute

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 8:52 am

  334. AHA – the chemical attack in Syria is Trump’s fault ! Thanks for clearing that up. The formerly sane John McCain made the same point this morning. Cancer is eating away his reasoning faculties… Trump Derangement Syndrome obviously has the same effect on Deputy D.A.’s. Sad

    Bill Saracino (78f41f) — 4/9/2018 @ 9:50 am

  335. john mccain hasn’t been sane in a legitimate sense for many many moons

    they did something to his brain, you see

    they twisted it

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/9/2018 @ 10:36 am

  336. 133. papertiger (c8116c) — 4/8/2018 @ 3:02 pm

    Nash [the Skirpal cat] was a survivor, supposedly of a nerve agent, but far more likely of being locked in a house without food and water for a month, [Smething less than that, but what you say makes sense] so the first thing you do, instead of giving the kitty a bowl of milk, is go ahead and finish him off with a rock or whatever?

    In what universe does that make sense?

    In the world of a typical animal control “kill shelter”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254729/RSPCA-destroys-HALF-animals-rescues–thousands-completely-healthy.html

    It probably hapepned before anybody at a higher level of authority could step in because it was probably not good for Mr. Skirpal to kill his cat. The animal could probably have been brought back to good health, or they could have tried.

    The cat would not have been killed with a rock but by a more technical means, like a decompression chamber, or at least shooting.

    The UK is looking for atghird country now to take both Skirpals, maybe the United States where they will live under a false identity.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/9/2018 @ 11:36 am

  337. Put them in witness protection. Or with the fishes.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:06 pm

  338. It’s sad that former double agents are so undercover that their neighbors don’t know they are hospitalized and mind their pets. Is it weird that so called authorities didn’t notice? They’ve found animals after earthquakes in worse shape but there’s no England now.

    Never mind the bullocks-it’s the Eid Festivals

    Pinandpuller (ec7a2c) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:37 pm

  339. @326 urbanleftbehind

    So a pre colonoscopy ritual?

    Pinandpuller (ec7a2c) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:41 pm

  340. indeed

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 4/9/2018 @ 12:46 pm

  341. Bing

    Pinandpuller (ec7a2c) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:03 pm

  342. OT- Stormy weather: FBI raids office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen. Records seized.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/9/2018 @ 1:07 pm

  343. But has it occurred to him that Assad and Putin have been emboldened by the recent stories that Trump has been pushing for a quick withdrawal from Syria?

    Probably. But he would also know from regular security briefings that Assad has used chemical weapons on a variety of occasions after the US strikes on Shayrat. This is simply a more egregious example that has caught more public attention, and Trump, for all his flaws, may – to his eternal credit – be gearing up to punish Assad’s forces.

    It remains to be seen what that punishment will be or whether it will take.

    JP (699888) — 4/10/2018 @ 1:14 pm


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