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3/17/2018

Wow: DOJ May Release (Redacted) Carter Page FISA Application

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 4:30 pm



All those Very Confident Statements about what was contained in the Carter Page FISA application may be put to the test sometime soon. USA Today reports that DOJ may release parts of the Carter Page FISA application that so far has been only described in the Devin Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo and the Adam Schiff response:

In dueling memos released last month, Republican members — led by California Rep. Devin Nunes — alleged that Justice and FBI officials abused their authority in targeting the former campaign adviser by improperly relying on an unsubstantiated dossier prepared by a former British spy. Democrats — led by California Rep. Adam Schiff —argued that the dossier was only part of the justification for the order, indicating that Page had been deemed an “agent of the Russian government” prior to the FBI receiving the dossier.

The release of both memos, Justice lawyers wrote Friday, requires “the government to carefully review FISA materials related to Carter Page to determine what information contained in them has been declassified and whether any such declassified information can be released to the plaintiff in response to its (freedom of information) request.

“That review is ongoing,” Justice lawyers said, asking the court to approve a July 20 deadline for Justice’s National Security Division and the FBI to complete the examination. “The government does not make this request lightly.”

The one thing we know is that everyone will claim they were Right All Along, even if they were wrong all along. Now would be a good time for people to review the two memos and all the punditry that claimed to “know” what is contained in the FISA application, to hold accountable those who told us lies or claimed to know things they couldn’t.

This is a welcome development for those of us who rejected #TheMemo and #TheCounterMemo as partisan exercises that shed only minimal light on what was contained in the FISA application. We called on Trump to #ReleaseTheDocumentation, and it looks like his DOJ is being forced to do exactly that. Let’s hope DOJ releases as much as they can, within the constraints of the need to protect sources.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

35 Responses to “Wow: DOJ May Release (Redacted) Carter Page FISA Application”

  1. under President Trump Americans are finally getting the transparent and ethical governance they deserve (thank you President Trump)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. to be clear is this just the initial application?

    we know Attorney General Rod Rosytwat put together a renewal application so they could keep on spying on Mr. Page

    (but even though he was part of the corrupt FISA court shenanigans he never recused himself)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. looks like it’s applications plural… from the usat link:

    If documents related to the FISA applications along with orders issued by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court are identified for release, Justice lawyers said that it may be necessary to ask the secret court for an order to formally unseal the documents for public release.

    so it’s up to the corrupt FISA court whether or not they release the evidence of how corrupt the FISA court is?

    sounds like a plan

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Note all the weaselwords from crowdstrikes publicist.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. The real reason general flynn was targeted:
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/967294811530293248.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. to hold accountable those who told us lies or claimed to know things they couldn’t.

    Or those who doubted and ridiculed as “hyperpartisan” a position that ended up being the truth.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  7. I’m watching Celtic Women St. Patrick’s concert. Man these women are talented.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  8. Power and brennan and rice, were critical in turning north and africa and west africa (remember Niger) into more bloody battlegrounds. Then they blocked the security clearances of persons like colonel townley to preclude him serving on the NSC, our loss not his. An abject lesson no talented and motivated persons need apply. They also unmasked the Sam’s of trump staffers, and then went after fmr staffers like William Ellis and Cohen ratnick who tried to get to the bottom of the matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. As I recall the democratic memo, redacted info that was already in the public record, including the names of ambassador downer and the same of steeles employer.

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. @6

    The real reason Flynn was targeted was because he and his son were part of a plot to black bag a political refugee for Turkey in return for $15 million.

    Davethulhu (081885)

  11. Anything important will be redacted.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  12. The problem with this piecemeal releaing of information is that each release has so much extrapolation, speculation and interpretation built on top of it that, as things progress, it becomes really hard to separate the facts from the fancy.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  13. i’m not having any trouble

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. 14.i’m not having any trouble


    I love ya, happyfeet but let’s be honest. Sometimes I think you believe the fancy are the facts.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  15. Wow, you’re not kidding, rev.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. And politico is big in the shovel, I mean pillow brigade.

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. i’m disappointed that you feel that way Mr. Reverend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. There are facts, and then there are new and improved Kellyanne Conway Alternative Facts(tm), right Mr. Feet?

    Dave (445e97)

  19. Kellyanne facts are way more better than CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda slut facts period full stop underline underline underline

    This is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. Like conflating wide receiver(which had tracking) with fast and furious that didn’t:
    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/03/17/uh-oh.-james-comey-andrew-mccabe-calling-liars/

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. There is zero conflict between the testimony of Comey and McCabe cited in that link.

    Dave (445e97)

  22. fbi suckboys like Comey and McCabe, they lie and lie and lie

    and when they get caught they cry like little girls

    this points to not one but several character defects

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. ConDave has it sussed. He learned how to suss when he was in the all-gurl band in Doncaster.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. If it wasnt for leaks from Mccabe, rybicki baker page strzok laufman, the post and the times would look like the blank pages in they live?

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. Ain’t it the truth!!! https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/291576/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. when dirty fbi suckboys try to approximate the communication style of real americans they tend to overdo it and come across like pouty arrogant drama queens

    see also cowardpig war hero john mccain

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. Well when Mueller and comey start speaking of honor, I check my
    pockets, when the former made a mistake it cost the tax payers a 5.5 million dollar award to Stephen hatfill.

    As Patrick Poole has pointed out, when the Chapman ring (the inspiration for red sparrow) was revealed. They expedited them out of the country? Whiththe one carter page was involved with, they jailed one and expelled the other, why was that?

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. I’m watching Celtic Women St. Patrick’s concert. Man these women are talented.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/17/2018 @ 5:40 pm

    Allow me to share a new discovery with you:

    JS Bach Polonaise and Badinerie by Japanese LADY! a capella group Aura

    Pinandpuller (c13eee)

  29. My reason for skepticism:

    http;//thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robert-mueller-botching-investigations-since-anthrax-attacks/#disqus_thread

    Fir all we know the anthrax mailer could still be out there after 17 yeats

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. Where is the evidence of such filings

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. Meanwhile…..

    Meet Hillary Clinton’s Other, Much More Powerful and Shadowy Oppo Research Firm

    https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/meet-hillary-clintons-other-more-powerful-shadowy-oppo-research-firm/

    harkin (df3a15)

  32. Now would be a good time for people to review the two memos and all the punditry that claimed to “know” what is contained in the FISA application, to hold accountable those who told us lies or claimed to know things they couldn’t.

    Could somebody link them?

    I recall that aYahoo news story was referred to in the FISa warrant application, supposedly just to prove that Carter PAge had denied something. (it also, if that is the right story noted taht Harry reid was putting pressure on the FBI)

    Trump meanwhile still claims his campaign was spied upon. * The FBI was probably very careful not to do that. Carter Page was no longer affiliated with his campaign at the time teh FISa warrant was granted. (what we don;’t have are any earlier denied FISA applications)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  33. *

    Donald J. Trump‏
    @realDonaldTrump

    The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!

    5:12 PM – 17 Mar 2018

    Trump has a reasonably good case, but he has to spoil it with these inaccuarate comments.

    His campaign was never surveilled

    Now what looks good is this:

    Trump argues this:

    Donald J. Trump‏
    @realDonaldTrump

    Wow, watch Comey lie under oath to Senator G when asked “have you ever been an anonymous source…or known someone else to be an anonymous source…?” He said strongly “never, no.” He lied as shown clearly on @foxandfriends.

    I don’t know if Fox and Friends proves that but that’s clearly not true. I mean he leaked his memoes through someone he had to know was anonymous, (not published)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  34. Why McCabe is not worried about his pension (and made no mention of it)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/17/andrew-mccabe-was-just-offered-a-job-by-a-congressman-so-he-can-get-his-full-retirement-and-it-just-might-work/?utm_term=.6958244724b1

    The rule as top time on the job applied to ANY KIND of work for teh federal government.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)


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