POLITICO: Those Damned Republicans Are “Seizing on” the Issue of the Coward County Sheriff
It happens every time there is a legitimate news story that could arguably benefit conservatives in some way: Big Media ignores the story, except to complain about how Republicans “seized” on it. I described this trend on my own blog waaaaaay back in August 2004, more than thirteen years ago, and my comments still hold true today:
[W]henever one candidate criticizes another, there are two ways to characterize what’s happening [if you’re a member of Big Media]. If you think the criticism may be valid, you will refer to the criticism passively, and discuss the “mounting criticism” of the candidate being criticized. But if you don’t like the criticism, then you will refer to the criticism as an “attack.” You will consistently phrase the description of the criticism in the active voice, as in: “Cheney attacked Kerry over the issue of . . .” Rather than saying that the parties voicing the criticism have “pointed out” their opponent’s misstatements, you will say they “seized on” those misstatements.
The same is true, not just of candidate criticism, but of any story Big Media hates. The “Republicans seized on” narrative has become very well known since I first described it so many years ago; by now, it’s something of a running joke among conservatives.
And there’s nothing Big Media hates these days more than a story that distracts attention from how (they believe) guns and guns alone are solely responsible for the Florida school shooting. I give credit to John Sexton on Twitter (in this thread) for observing this phenomenon in full flower at POLITICO yesterday, as they complained about Republicans seizing on the failures of law enforcement — in particular those of the loudmouth Democrat Scott Israel, the Sheriff of Broward Coward County.
The POLITICO story (cached link; no links for bullies) is titled When the Broward County Sheriff Upstaged the Parkland Kids, with a deck headline: “How Scott Israel became the NRA’s perfect foil.” The theme: those damned Republicans are seizing on his failures!!
Israel, a career cop who has served as an undercover narcotics officer and a SWAT commander, stepped right into a nasty partisan fight: He has become a shiny ball used by Republicans to distract the public and change a politically awkward subject—in this case, the debate over gun restrictions after the tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High. A Fox News headline neatly summarized: “Sheriff Scott Israel Battling Calls to Resign As Blame Shifts in Wake of Florida School Shooting.”
This kind of misdirection has become a familiar pattern under master blame-shifter President Donald Trump: Antifa after Charlottesville, Black Lives Matter after Ferguson, and Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama after just about every new development in the Russia investigation. But this time, Israel really does seem to deserve some blame, and really has displayed ineptitude and arrogance in public. He’s the perfect foil—a mouthy, pugnacious Democrat who isn’t known for deep thinking before he starts speaking.
“The Republicans needed a shiny-ball guy to get away from assault weapons, and the sheriff was like: Hey, I’ll be your shiny-ball guy!” an elected Democrat from South Florida told me. “At first, it looked like the kids would be the shiny-ball guy, but everyone loved the kids. Then Scott led with his chin, and here we are.”
Funny how the Very Objective and Non-Partisan Journalist who wrote the piece, Michael Grunwald, uses the exact same metaphor — a “shiny ball” distraction — that the elected Democrat uses. It’s almost as if writer Grunwald is himself just a partisan Democrat hack using his status as a journalist to advance his anti-gun narrative . . . nah. Couldn’t be.
The best part is the acknowledgement, stated briefly and sheepishly: gee, OK, they do have something of a point . . . but never mind that and let’s get back to the narrative of how they are exploiting this! (You see it in the quote above: “But this time, Israel really does seem to deserve some blame” followed by a quick shift back to the “shiny ball” metaphor.) As Sexton puts it in his brilliant thread:
The best part of all of these 'GOP seizes' articles is when the author admits the person being criticized really is a screw up, but then adds 'But they have bad motives for saying he's a screw up!'
It's so predictable and so tiresome.
— John Sexton (@verumserum) March 3, 2018
Yup. Grunwald insists that any description of Israel’s failures is “whataboutism”:
“Scott is the NRA’s Benghazi,” says one official in his department. “The truth doesn’t matter – it’s just something else to talk about. Anything but guns.”
This is the power of whatabout.
Of course, Benghazi was an actual scandal, and so is the behavior of Israel’s department. From failing to share information with the FBI, refusing to share information with social services, and failing to go in and stop the shooter, his department has been a disaster. Again, Sexton has the perfect response:
It's not "whataboutism" to discuss law enforcement failures after a mass shooting. Because, guess what, it's law enforcement's job to prevent and respond to mass shootings.
— John Sexton (@verumserum) March 3, 2018
Grunwald’s piece is a classic bit of leftist bias hackery. It’s good to remind yourself, every so often, precisely how they do this — so you can be on the lookout for it in the future.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
the incompetent corrupt trash at the FBI helped kill those kids too not just the sheriff
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:40 pmOf course, Benghazi was an actual scandal,
Bulloney..please elucidate…or knot.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:49 pmBenghazi was where some mercenaries and some state department flunkies were prancing around Libya without adequate security and they got killed 🙁
and then Susan Rice lied a lot
and Hillary lied a lot
and then a youtube guy had to go to jail for a long time
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:51 pmHowever, we’ve known this for some time. The bipartisan Senate Intelligence report, perhaps the most comprehensive and balanced review of the attack, found that “there were no US military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend the Temporary Mission Facility and its Annex.”
Still, it was no secret that Benghazi was dangerous. In retrospect, it’s clear that the US mission there was too lightly guarded and fortified, and Stevens himself had requested more security. How did this happen?
The problem, according to an internal State Department review, was essentially bureaucratic. Two State Department bureaus, Diplomatic Security and Near Eastern Affairs, had nominal authority — but no one person or bureau had point on Benghazi security. Both Diplomatic Security and Near Eastern Affairs made piecemeal improvements to security, but neither did enough.
The mission also had a confusing legal status. It wasn’t an embassy or even an official consulate; it was so off-book that the Libyan government was never officially notified of its existence. This put the mission outside the normal State Department procedures used to allocate security funding and personnel.
https://www.vox.com/2015/10/12/9489389/benghazi-explained
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:53 pmJournolister has to journalist, we saw how quick
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:55 pmU one can become an unperson re josh meyer
If course the fog of war makes it simple for IRAQ war simpletons.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:56 pmIts also called Ben smithing of course they can’t explain why
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 1:59 pmcarvalho chose not to accept the chancellors gig in the big apple, which involves the same promise program
nk
I’ve noticed voids in your pop culture portfolio, which is no vice.
It was interesting to see The RHCP standing in the gap.
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:04 pmOne should give due credit:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:06 pmhttp://invisibleserfscollar.com/change-your-belief-change-your-behavior-change-your-life-tranzi-obe-again-at-the-forefront
Gee, I was under the impression that the ambassador who was later killed had desperately requested extra security for months and been ignored.
You claim to have better information than I do? Lay it on me, pal.
That sounds like a genuine scandal to me.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:07 pmI was in college when the original twin peaks debuted.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:08 pmYou swallow Ryan’s Flounder whole?
GOP nominee Donald Trump went so far as to say the Benghazi victims were “left helpless to die” as Clinton, then the secretary of state, “soundly slept in her bed.”
That earned a False from PolitiFact National. Congressional investigations did not find Clinton was inattentive, much less asleep. Rather, she worked into the night after the attacks occurred.
Several days after that fact check was published, the sister of Christopher Stephens, the slain ambassador, said she did not blame Clinton. But Patricia Smith, the mother of one of the other victims, has blamed Clinton.
And Clinton, in part because of her “What difference does it make?” remark on the attacks, continues to be a target.
House Speaker Paul Ryan tweeted this on Sept. 26, 2016, a couple of weeks after the fourth anniversary of the attacks:
“Repeated requests for additional security in #Benghazi were routinely denied by Secretary Clinton’s State Dept.”
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/oct/07/paul-ryan/state-department-under-hillary-clinton-refused-sec/
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:11 pmI’m a bit puzzled by your outrage. Sure, the guy is taking sides. Lots of people who write about the news – you for instance, among many others – take sides too. It’s a news analysis story communicating an opinion, clearly. People at National Review, Weekly Standard, Hot Air, and even Patterico’s Pontifications, all write pieces in the same conspiratorial vein with some frequency.
I’m not saying I agree with the guy (I don’t really care about the subject enough to even read the piece). You mockingly describe him as a “Very Objective and Non-Partisan Journalist”. That story was posted under the “Politico Magazine” rubric, which the publishers describe as
“Provovative argument and first-person perspectives” doesn’t sound guaranteed to be non-partisan or objective.
Dave (445e97) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:12 pmStop the freaking alternate reality Patterico. It behooves you to stop playing both sides to the middle. Take a stand. Don’t mire in quicksand
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:14 pmThe follow up to the previous link
https://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/examining-the-effectiveness-of-the-kingpin-designation-act-in-the-western-hemisphere
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:15 pmPatterico, no one would blame you for giving Ben a “Time out.”
felipe (023cc9) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:18 pmIs Clinton hate rational ?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/27/viral-image/internet-graphic-asks-why-focus-benghazi-when-othe/
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:20 pmAnd I forget… does the “no link for bullies” policy extend to the comments? I’ve noticed one commenter in particular likes to link to them with some regularity. Did you want those links disabled?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:21 pm241 Marines die in Beirut. … Zero investigations.”
• “3,000 Americans died on 9-11. … No investigation why (President George W.) Bush ignored all CIA warnings.”
• “4,500 American soldiers die in Iraq. … No investigation why the war lasted 10 years at a cost of $6 trillion.”
• “66 Americans die at U.S. embassies (during the Bush administration). … Zero investigations.”
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:22 pmPistachio/Flippy-Dippy want commenter sanctions patterico.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:23 pmAlso, I would say your stand on Benghazi has been clear and unequivocal. Saying you play both sides is dishonest and insulting.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:23 pmBen burn,
Shhh… adults are talking. And lay off the beans.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:24 pmThose are straight-out lies. All of those were studied many times. But I expect that from you.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:26 pm17. Your link to Politifact shows that as “Mostly False” Ben. Calm down some.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:27 pmThe scandal shrinks with Republican time, Tillman.
Or are you mitigating the History of scandals?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:30 pmI tire of the false narratives making hay from short memories.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:31 pmConveniently short memories.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:32 pmThis is rich coming from you.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:32 pmPatterico, my beef with using the failings of the last mass shooting at a school is that the pro-gun faction wants to use that as an excuse to paint every mass shooting as if they also had the same problems. They didn’t. This was a special case. It’s ridiculous to pretend otherwise, and most people, including journalists, see through that scheme. I don’t blame them for pointing that out.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:32 pm25. I’n not following what you’re trying to say, Ben.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:35 pmFollow the comment road, Tillman.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:37 pmTillman,
It’s not like the progressives are denying any failures in the current system and claiming it’s that same system that makes mass shootings more likely. Wait, yes they are. Never mind.
They want to absolve the Sherriff, Deputies, FBI, and the school protection officer who hid outside (despite his claim of “establishing a perimeter”) of any wrongdoing and blame the NRA and lawful gun owners. Then, when someone points out the multiple failures on every level, they’re accused of “hating the police” or being pro-mass-shooting (I’ve seen it.)
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:38 pm32. If the failures happened today, they will happen again tomorrow. No? After all, we’re all only human, mistakes will be made.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:42 pmA variation of this is to say, “Republican so-and-so played to the base.”
AZ Bob (83e4e4) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:44 pmI’m tired of this phrase “lawful gun owners.” They’all lawful, until they’re not. The same could be said of nuclear bomb owners. “Well, he was a fine, law-abiding citizen, until he took out a city with his um, nuclear bomb. Oh well, too bad.”
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:45 pmSerious mistakes should have serious consequences, especially in their supposed area of expertise. You don’t fault a plumber for not setting a broken bone exactly right as long as he did the best he could and it was necessary. You do fault a doctor.
These were the people the system set in place to stop mass shootings. They failed. Miserably. This should be talked about, not swept under the rug. There should be serious consequences.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:48 pm*They’re all …
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:48 pmYou being tired of it doesn’t mean progressive won’t continue smearing them and conflating them with unlawful gun owners. Therefore, the distinction will continue to be made.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:49 pmAnd not all gun owners are lawful “until they’re not.” Some are unlawful from the moment they take possession of the gun. This distinction will continue to be made as well.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:51 pm36. Of course there should be consequences. Anyone trying to change the laws or rules about that? I don’t think so…
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:52 pmMaybe they’re not all lawful, but too many of them are before they go on a rampage. “Lawful gun owners.” (blows raspberry.)
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:55 pmI’m for gun ownership by the way, but we should at least have some common sense rules in place.
First, let’s try to enforce the laws and rules we already have. From the rule about immediately engaging a shooter to the law about who can own a gun. With all the calls about Cruz, including him directly pointing his gun at someone and threatening to kill them, there was sufficient cause in law to remove his gun and have him evaluated.
We don’t need new laws that affect all lawful gun owners. We need officers of the law with the courage to do their damn jobs. Not cowards. Including the “shoot first because I’m scared cowards.”
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:56 pmInstead of clean stats, these a-holes jinked the numbers to get extra federal money. Anyone involved should be prosecuted for fraud and barred from anything involving law enforcement, including cleaning the precinct toilets.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 2:59 pmRight, the rules of engagement don’t seem any different than
columbine, eighteen year’s 8
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AMH/XX/MidEast/Lebanon-1982-1984/DOD-Report/index.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:00 pmhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/03/03/trump-escalates-trade-war-threatens-european-carmakers-with-stiff-tariffs/?utm_term=.a10eab8bc7d2
Leave us not forget conservative principles in your covert or overt support of the Blowfly.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:00 pm19. Don’t forget to challenge 9/11 dead or Iraq War dead. The actual, factual numbers work better for your positional politics.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:03 pmThis “management” of the numbers directly led to Cruz being ignored as a credible threat. I’ve mentioned my law expertise (I watched Legally Blonde… okay, more than once), but the people directly responsible for ignoring Cruz should somehow be held culpable in the mass-shooting as well.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:04 pmWho farted?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:04 pmlet’s try to enforce the laws and rules we already have
Republicans have been using that line for years, but nothing get’s better. It just gets worse. Blow that smoke elsewhere.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:04 pmAm I still a chickenhawk Ben burn? Did you ever take that back? I don’t recall, but I don’t think so. That’s in addition to your other lies and smears.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:06 pmBut its so rarely observed:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/25/sheriff-scott-israel-past-handling-mass-shooting
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:06 pmPatterico
Does Pistachio still have moderation access? Well done.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:07 pmNothing gets better because gun crimes are ignored or dropped during plea deals. Hard to say the existing laws being enforced doesn’t work when they are not being enforced.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:08 pmProvide evidence of service ‘stash. Your word is insufficient.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:08 pmBen burn,
Show one time I have misused moderator access. Just one. Another baseless smear.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:09 pm53. Yeah tell that to the thousands of people who are dead every year because of guns. I’m sure they’ll feel much better.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:09 pmBut you have current access?
I think that’s somewhat important.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:10 pmHahaha. So, proof you don’t take it back.
You really are clueless. Use the site search box above. Patterico has seen my evidence of service.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:11 pm53. That’s not going to change, you’re still blowing smoke.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:11 pmTillman:
You would be well to actively campaign for opioid resistance. The numbers are larger and more egregious.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:11 pmYes, I am a moderator. How would you suggest I prove it?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:12 pmTillman,
Call it smoke all you want. Trying to take guns from law-abiding citizens because of the actions of criminals will not go well.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:13 pm60. The dead can’t vote.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:14 pm*blows raspberry*
You’re a gun-grabber. Own it.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:15 pmYes, I am a moderator. How would you suggest I prove it?
Pattericos continuing endorsement.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:15 pmHaving access isn’t endorsement enough? It’s kind of implied with continued access, don’t you think? What? Do you want him to make a direct comment that I’m a moderator?
Let me clue you in. My status as a commenter is the same as everyone else. As a moderator, I clean up spam and bring things to Patterico’s attention if I think it warranted.
As a commenter, I say you’re an idiot, liar, and a coward. This has no effect on you beyond what any other commenter says to you. As a moderator, I haven’t seen anything where you’ve crossed the line so bad as to warrant immediate time-out or banning. At least nothing that Patterico hasn’t also seen, but he’s much nicer than I am. Your fears are not my concern.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:22 pmI’m requesting a review of fitness Pistachio. You’re nutty.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:24 pmBut feel free to email him directly and share your concerns. You can also let him know that you claimed I threatened you, that you called me a chickenhawk and refuse to take it back (even though in your heart-of-hearts you know I served,) and anything else that might scare you.
Please do.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:25 pmThe scuffle between the Trump organization and the majority owner of the Panama City Trump hotel might just change that.
The problems go back aways (I’ll lay out some of the timeline below). But the short version is that the majority owner of the property, Orestes Fintiklis, got the other owners to vote to fire the Trump Organization in October, claiming the diminished brand and (importantly) a bad sales strategy is part of why the property is at less than 30% occupancy. The Trump Organization (screaming RICO) tried to force the matter into arbitration in December. And Fintiklis has now sued in SDNY to prevent that.
Things started getting crazy a week ago Thursday, when Fintiklis tried to fire the Trump employees, then cut off power, and then got the Panamanian government to side with him and arrest a Trump employed security guard. Significantly, the two sides are fighting over the control room and Fintiklis alleges that Trump employees are shredding documents.
Two people familiar with Fintiklis’s account said that, after his arrival, hotel employees barricaded office doors with furniture, and they added that documents were shredded. The two people said Trump Organization employees — including an executive who flew down from New York City — also blocked access to a control room that houses servers and surveillance-camera monitors.
This room, the two people said, is shared by the hotel operation and the managers of the residential side of the building, which is no longer operated by the Trump Organization.
I find that interesting given the Reuters report, from last November, describing how Ivanka put a Brazilian money launderer with ties to Russian organized crime, Alexandre Ventura Nogueira, in charge of many of the advanced sales in the project.
A Reuters investigation into the financing of the Trump Ocean Club, in conjunction with the American broadcaster NBC News, found Nogueira was responsible for between one-third and one-half of advance sales for the project. It also found he did business with a Colombian who was later convicted of money laundering and is now in detention in the United States; a Russian investor in the Trump project who was jailed in Israel in the 1990s for kidnap and threats to kill; and a Ukrainian investor who was arrested for alleged people-smuggling while working with Nogueira and later convicted by a Kiev court.
Three years after getting involved in the Trump Ocean Club, Nogueira was arrested by Panamanian authorities on charges of fraud and forgery, unrelated to the Trump project. Released on $1.4 million bail, he later fled the country.
He left behind a trail of people who claim he cheated them, including over apartments in the Trump project, resulting in at least four criminal cases that eight years later have still to be judged.
[snip]
When first approached by Reuters, Nogueira declined to answer questions. Writing on October 4, he said in an email: “Anything I would say could also damage a lot of important and powerful people. I am not sure I should do that.”
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/03/02/thug-mob-rogue-trump-organizations-own-description-of-its-panama-hotel/
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:26 pmI think he follows comments, mostly.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:27 pmBen pretended to be the mother of a downed Iraq vet, in reality his family cant stand him.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:28 pmSo email him Ben burn. Make your request. I’m sure he’ll give it all the attention it deserves. Be sure to include those other items, including your doubts of my service or the worth of my word.
How I interact with you does not reflect how I interact with non-trolls. It’s a burden.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:29 pmLink narco?
ThatswhatIthought..
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:32 pmAhh, but this is serious enough to warrant a direct email, isn’t it? I mean, a moderator who is mentally ill? I would call that serious. Email him and make your request. Let him know you are scared I will misuse moderator access in the future, all without any evidence of misuse in the past (which is the best predictor of future behavior.)
Send the email Ben burn.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:32 pmAre you afeared Patterico might exchange pistachio for Ben as moderator?
Rest easy…
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:33 pmnarciso can be difficult to follow at times, but he is a long-time, respected commenter here. He’s no troll and you implying he is just speaks to your lack of character.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:34 pmThen he ridiculed the passing of two or our friends, there is a reason i call him a nazgul.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:35 pmhahaha
Yeah, that’s exactly what scares me. Wait, hold on, nope, it doesn’t. Sorry for the false alarm. Send the email Ben burn. Tell him you believe I am mentally ill. That’s serious enough to warrant an email, surely.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:36 pmNarco is often confused what links support his anti-castro spittle.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:37 pmNazgul seems appropriate.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:37 pmThe evidence has been displayed. It’s his tennis court.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:38 pmAgain, this isn’t about narciso or his links. Stop trying to deflect. You have claimed a moderator here is mentally ill. You should do something about it.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:38 pmYou’re mentally ill?
Have a nice day…
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:39 pmI have no problem keeping the comment counts up by slapping you around. Most of the other regulars are entertained and grateful. But… it is a burden. Wait again, hold on, no, it’s really rather amusing. My apologies for the error.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:40 pmDoes he comprehend the idea of a slippery slope?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/03/canadian-pm-justin-trudeau-rejects-trumps-tariffs-absolutely-unacceptable/391805002/
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:41 pmSo you’ve claimed. That’s serious and you should do something. Email Patterico so it can be addressed properly.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:41 pmBut this how Ben smiting or weigeling occurs, the point is to deflect and attack.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:44 pmBut this how Ben smiting or weigeling occurs, the point is to deflect and attack.
And your response shows how flaccid your position. Have you after all, no decent answer beside ad hom?
Natch!
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:47 pmnarciso, I know, thanks. That’s why I called him out on it and will continue to do so. He claims there is a serious problem concerning the blog, but won’t notify the blog host. Makes me wonder.
No it doesn’t. He’s a coward and a liar. Explains everything.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:48 pmBen burn complaining about ad hom? His main tool? Rich.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:49 pmYou wouldn’t spend so much time trying to discredit if I had no impact pisstash.
But it’s entertaining for me.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:51 pmLike the klondike, his wheelhouse is 19th century European anarchism, but he doesn’t get the punchline.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:53 pmYou discredit yourself. I just take a few moments here and there to point it out. So, we’re both entertained I guess. Me, by reality. You, by whatever fantasy you have going on in that warped head.
And stop creeping on me. I told you, I’m not your target demographic, which I refuse to speculate on.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:56 pmWe come to the same place from different directions:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 3:57 pmMaybe he should stick to teaching portuguese
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=108519
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:28 pmAs Stash says, enforcing existing laws would make a huge difference. Put pressure on media to discontinue wall-to-wall media coverage or publishing the perp’s name when a shooting does occur, taking away some of the incentive for copycats or efforts to outdo the last shooting (yeah, good luck with that). Take down the inviting “gun-free zone” signs. Make “This facility is patrolled by armed employees” warning signs mandatory, even if no one on site is armed (which should be voluntary).
Have local authorities/police chiefs poll each cop individually – ask them if they will go into a facility to take down a shooter, and if the answer is no, re-assign or let them go. Ensure they are properly trained, using Scott Israel as the poster boy of incompetence and cowardice.
Fire Scott Israel, the Broward County school board members, and the irresponsible FBI Agents – if there are no consequences for inaction or malfeasance, these events will continue to occur.
Government employees have a duty to protect citizens. Immunity laws are too lenient. I’m hard pressed to think of another line of work in the private sector where an employee would keep their job if their incompetence resulted in lost lives. The govt and attorneys would ensure you’d be bankrupted and/or in jail.
Lenny (5ea732) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:32 pmAs Richard Pryor said in Brewsters Millions Bizness is bizness and that bizness is about bizness.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/02/beer-institute-trumps-aluminum-tariff-will-cost-americas-beverage-industry-millions
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:41 pmLenny,
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has ruled that police and government employees have NO DUTY to protect anyone. Sorry, it’s Wikipedia. It’s been affirmed many times since then. Even though that’s the job as everyone understands it. Gotta say… wtf?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:43 pmStashiu… reading comments on this thread and your deft, methodical engagement of the Feverswamp M00nbats and merciful dispatching of same… I salute you, sir!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:47 pm@98 Stashiu3 – I really didn’t know that. I should come out from under my rock occasionally.
Lenny (5ea732) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:51 pmThanks Colonel. I have to admit to some amusement, but I do get a feeling of public service at times as well. It was hilarious when he wouldn’t rescind the chickenhawk slur because my word wasn’t good enough. He’s an idiot, a liar, and a coward. Pointing that out every time he does it (when I’m on) is helpful on a couple of levels. You already know them, so I will let him continue to sit in the dark. Alone.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:53 pmBen burn,
I said:
You replied by asking:
And then you linked to a PolitiFact piece that rated “true” Paul Ryan’s statement: “Repeated requests for additional security in Benghazi were routinely denied by Hillary Clinton’s State Department.”
Were you aware of that?
Did you bother to read the piece all the way to the end, where they gave their true rating?
I didn’t say a word about what happened on the night of the attacks; that is a strawman you rebutted. I talked about the requests for security over the course of “months.”
And even your leftist hack fact-checker says I am right about that.
Because I am.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:54 pmLenny,
I’m so sorry to be the bearer of such tidings. Honestly. I was devastated when I first found out about it. My first thought was literally, “That CAN’T be right!”
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:55 pmStashiu3 is a moderator.
Clear enough?
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:56 pmI wrote a whole series of posts about it, fool. Do your research before opening your wordhole.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 4:56 pmReading is fundamental, Ben, but if that’s too tough for you I have a picture:
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:00 pmP,
Ben burn is concerned that you have a moderator that is a mentally ill chickenhawk and should be evaluated for fitness. I had encouraged him to email you about such a serious problem concerning the blog, but for some reason he has been reluctant to do so. My word about serving is insufficient proof. Perhaps he’ll take yours?
I’m not sure who you should use to assess mental illness though. Maybe someone with 20+ years experience in the field? It’s a puzzlement. 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:01 pmRead the email Patterico.
You’re is the worst form of hypocrisy.
Denial of Error As well as Service.
You deserve the government you prefer and support: Surreptitious Democracy Covert.
Not that your narrow obsequious mind can comprehend.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:08 pmIf ifs and buts were candy and nuts, Sheriff Israel and beenburned would still be batschiff bonkers.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:12 pmHe’s trying to martyr himself and come back under another name. With imdw I spent roughly 8 hours a day, not consecutive, keeping him off. Learned a lot while doing it. P’s decision of course, Imma sit back and watch for now.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:14 pmI enjoy learning foreign languages but would nevertheless prefer that you re-state this in English.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:14 pmHe just sent me an email that is almost as incomprehensible as his quoted comment.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:17 pmLike the judean peoples front, or the popular front of judea
https://www.quora.com/Does-Warren-v-District-of-Columbia-mean-that-police-officers-dont-have-to-protect-serve-an-individual
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:17 pmAddendum..now that I have further grievance against your disingenuous proffering by highly selective process of my comments, of which you focus in the gnat of my comments while swallowing camels in the vicinity.
Perhaps it is personality clash..perhaps something else.
Could this be the moment of truth for your bona fides? Can you handle some genuine debate? Or would you rather languish in arrogance without foundation:argument without fair hearing?
Well? Defend yourself from these scurrilous allegations or get rid of me and gild the lily of your self-concept.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:21 pmP,
He’s at the spittle-flicking stage right now. He can talk normal for brief periods, it’s the truth he has trouble with then. Ask him if you can share the email, lol. I’m dying here! 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:22 pmNo its like calling in an alpha strike, you have to be willing to engage, Benn.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:23 pmYes. Claim ignorance . Very Trumpian. Not sure it’s an actual defense strategy, but…..Trump!
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:23 pmHe gives himself away in trying to be erudite. He openly admits the allegations are scurrilous. As I said, idiot/liar/coward. Who wants to be banned so he can act the martyr.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:24 pmTurn yourself in, beenburned. There are trained professionals who will help you get well.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:24 pmHe’ll soon move to the John cheese cheese shop rampage, I read altered carbon, heck about a decade ago.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:25 pmI haven’t seen him debate in good faith yet. Came close on the gun stuff, but no kewpie doll.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:26 pmShall I copy the email and have a kangaroo court on it’s clarity?
Btw..
Your response time is slow. Is the analysis of simple declarative sentences requiring legal inquiry?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:26 pm“Defend yourself from these scurrilous allegations or get rid of me and gild the lily of your self-concept.”
Gild his lily and then get rid of him!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:28 pmBen burn,
Feel free to forward a copy to me at stashiu3 at g mail dot com. I would absolutely LOVE to read it.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:29 pmGild it with extreme prejudice!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:29 pmSo it appears its not a particularized defense but a general one, otherwise law enforcement would be subject to multiple lawsuits on that base.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:29 pmAnd the host doesn’t work to your whistle. You’re too old to be this impatient.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:30 pmGild that lily until he can barely sit down!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:30 pmPatterico is seething. Expect my departure as he is not one for self deprecation or inward journeys. He’s as phony as a $3 bill.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:32 pmAdios, motherfather!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:35 pmI asked him if I might copy his slanderous persona via the easily understood email.
What shall the reputable icon of free speech do? It is a quandary.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:37 pmYou clearly have no insight at all…. into Patterico, me, or most importantly, yourself. Patterico doesn’t like to ban, period. They are rare. Unless you’re trying to psych him out into letting you stay… hmmm… no, I don’t think so. I think you want to be banned and will try to come back under another name. You want to be a blogosphere martyr.
Newsflash: Nobody will care if you get banned. It won’t be proof of anything except that you’re a big enough asshole to get banned at one of the most tolerant sites around. Nobody will come to your cause. You’ll be even more alone than you already are.
I would pity you if you didn’t bring things on all by yourself. And if you weren’t a liar, an idiot, and a coward. Whether you’re here or not makes little difference to anyone, which is a sad testament all in itself.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:39 pmI’ll tell you all something right now. I wouldn’t do what Ben Burn does unless I was paid to do it. And paid well.
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:39 pmRIP David Ogden Stiers
urbanleftbehind (e1b96a) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:40 pmNah, strike that. I wouldn’t do it even if I were paid.
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:41 pm“Well” is relative. It’s write his drivel or hit teh street with his shinebox.
beenburned is a turd, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:42 pmnk,
Most normal people would think the same way. So why put yourself out of a paycheck? I don’t think he’s paid. He’s a self-important a-hole who drives almost everyone who could care about him away. As a matter of fact, I’m concerned that he was so supportive of guns and possesses at least one. Except for his age, he likely fits several points common to mass shooters.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:43 pmGot to go for a bit. I’ll catch up when I return. Be well my friends… and Ben burn.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:46 pmPistachio is a moderator but he appears to threaten with a protective order: involuntary commitment. Taking a pic of that.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:47 pmurbanleftbehind,
Thanks for the info, and yes, RIP. Prayers for his family, loved ones, friends, and fans.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:48 pmDelusional. Yeah, go ahead and show that. Have your Sheriff contact me by email (if he’s willing) and I will gladly discuss it with him. You know they have this process called screencap, right? Easier than taking a picture. Or just direct them to the blog, it won’t be taken down or changed by me.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:51 pmReally got to go now. Laterz.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:51 pmThey are mostly useless:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/florida-senate-approves-ar-15-ban-then-shoots-it-down-15-minutes-later/article/2650632
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:55 pmor changed by me.
[closes barn door after horse exits right]
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:59 pmLOL
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:00 pmPublish whatever you want from your bizarre email or my responses.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:01 pmHere you are, unabashed at the temerity you display. Is that due to a so- called friendly audience or are you dismissive of their coerced approval?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:04 pmIs this where I submit to an officer of Pattericos Court…a guy as stoopid as Pistachio? Is that a part of your email confusion? Wow!
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:06 pmEven stashiu3 knew I was referring to hisonner..
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:07 pmIs any of this making sense to anyone?
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:14 pmTo pretend ignorance of email contents for not fly as every question considered in email can be found in this thread, but with Ben’s comments, Pattericos glass is always empty and unconsidered except for those typos he can hang his hat on.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:15 pmPatterico sucks…
Testing
Anybody there?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:16 pmOne is reminded of dangerfield on kinison, the letters long rant on back to school, or Lewis black whose neurosis was somewhat entertaining.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:17 pmI think I am starting to remember why Semanticleo got banned. This manic and insulting behavior is amusing and self-beclowning but it’s also a waste of good people’s time.
So far the amusement factor is winning though. Every time he questions Stash’s service the level of self-beclowning rises. It’s quite a spectacle and I don’t want to deprive the audience — those in the know — of such sweet yuks.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:18 pmProsecutors like to keep you talking so they can more easily frame your conviction
It’s all on the Record Counsellor.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:19 pmWas 152 clear? I don’t think it can be further reduced.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:20 pmOh, you wish not only to be able to spread your flatulence into my comments section but alsthe to be taken seriously! oK then, start by behaving seriously. Your first challenge: admit that my statement about Benghazi was both accurate and a valid concern, and that your own link confirms this. Go.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:21 pmI am trying to be clear. Have I failed?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:21 pmYou are succeeding at being a laughingstock. Should you wish to succeed at something else, re-read 157 and follow the directions therein.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:23 pmHes like venkman of the ghost busters, the Benghazi coverup did succeed to some degree, the mixed sentence re Abe khatallah is part of that
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:23 pmRight now you are rushing headlong into a one-week timeout, minimum. Just continue with contentless insults and you’ll earn it.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:24 pmHow can I address that vague and inciting question when you can’t understand the simple statement that pistachio..exsqueeze me Stashi3 may not truly represent your proper persona..
Now that I understand his firm stance does indeed mirror your principles I now understand your confusion on that rather simple matter.
Now, what were you on about?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:26 pm“Grunwald’s piece is a classic bit of leftist bias hackery. It’s good to remind yourself, every so often, precisely how they do this — so you can be on the lookout for it in the future.”
It’s easier to look out for news stories from the MSM which aren’t leftist bias hackery.
harkin (4aa570) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:27 pmYour instructions are vague you being so literalist and inflexible.
Yoga is good.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:28 pmAnd this is why nobody takes you seriously.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:30 pmThey don’t speak of fight club:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:34 pmhttps://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/journolist-inside-the-echo-chamber-020086
Stashiu3 does not speak for me with his every statement, and indeed we have each expressed polite and respectful disagreements on various topics both recently and over the years. I do trust him implicitly, however, as he has earned that trust over several years. We do share a view of Ben Burn as having nothing much to offer by way of constructive diaalgue.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:35 pmFWIW, GOP dirty trickster Roger Stone had a role in helping Sheriff Israel get elected so there’s a lot of local Florida political stink from several points on the compass that merits getting aired out.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-roger-stone-sheriff-israel-20140809-story.html
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:35 pmHis intellectually dishonest refusal to confront how he beclowned himself on the Benghazi issue in this very thread is Exhibit A for why Been Burned adds nothing.
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:36 pmYes previously he supported Al lamberti, which I thought wee adequate for the job.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:37 pmNobody being your commentators…maybe
You’re forgetting lurkers.
I’m not here to be FB pals as I need none outside my circle. If someone is here for companionship that’s a rotten shame but my intent is to inform and my contribution is research. If I’ve failed in some grand manner I apologize but I could tolerate a little less criticism but it is not essential. I expect pariah treatment but also credit for at least some points made but again..its not a need…more of a like.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:39 pmWas I right about Benghazi according to your link?
Patterico (6467ac) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:44 pmBen burnt must look like a fried blue tip match stick
mg (cded48) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:55 pmHow many times have I called your b.s.?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/3/2018 @ 6:57 pm5-10 times? But you only come out under a Full Moon. Take whatever you want from me on Benghazi and stop lying in wait like a predator. Next time I expect a response on a subject I approve.. I hope that’s crystal clear.
Reading it now. But reading Stashiu’s destruction of the manic troll is far more entertaining.
NJRob (7329fa) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:28 pmbeenburned makes as much sense today as he ever does. It’s a load of cryptic crap.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:31 pmWell its like shooting womprats with t 16 back home.
Brit science fiction writers are certifiable Morgan. Griswold who did this renaissance fantasy series, which revisits othello, set in Venice,
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:31 pmIt is, Rob, isn’t it?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:32 pmThen there is this cat:
https://themillions.com/2016/02/good-news-china-mieville-has-written-a-bad-book.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:34 pmWay the F OT…and perhaps of interest to only Happyfeet and nk…my old church’s music director was the “tran” in the Jeanne Ives commercial (and he got compensated quite well …he is not one in real life.
urbanleftbehind (e1b96a) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:41 pmHe was born in Malta, and grew up on a ship
http://www.j-cg.co.uk/blog/assassini-reviews-to-date.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 7:42 pmThis is epic. Thank you Stash.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:03 pmYes iota like fishing with dynamite, but sometime yes. “Needs must’
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:05 pmAnd Madigan is laughing. Wossamatta wit dat puta?
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:06 pmYou’re a gun-grabber. Own it.
So you think someone – just about anyone of age – should be able to waltz into Walmart and buy a machine gun or even a bazooka? If not, then you could also be called a “gun grabber” just the same.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:08 pmAnd even your leftist hack fact-checker says I am right about that.
Is that what you think I am Patterico? Just a “leftist hack”? Or maybe you were talking about someone else.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:11 pmNk,Maddy’s Garcia (an intentional spelling error) Ridge neighbor and good friend Lipinski might get primaried by a prog metoo, and distraught Mt Greenwood brats will put the Nahsee over the top in November.
urbanleftbehind (e1b96a) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:16 pmWas I right about Benghazi according to your link?
Still no answer. Just mendoucheous evasion.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:26 pmPolitiFact. That’s what Bennie linked, and his link verified that I was right.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:27 pmI like where this is leading.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:34 pmIllinois nazis, where have we heard this before?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:46 pmR.I.P. David Ogden Stiers
Icy (c1144d) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:49 pmTillman – that was cute how you set up a scenario exactly zero people are advocating for.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 8:50 pmIt’s like shooting fish in a barrel, isn’t it.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:00 pmJD, I don’t know what you mean by that. After Reagan was shot, there were some stricter laws on guns that even Republicans supported. But it didn’t last long for whatever reason.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:04 pmIf you’re implying that I changed something, we’re going to have issues. Be that as it may, you are sick. I did not threaten involuntary commitment and have never threatened you, but cowards see threats everywhere. You might consider a voluntary commitment however. Get some kind of help.
I have no idea what you’re talking about here. You aren’t making sense. I don’t speak for Patterico and he doesn’t speak for me. We agree more than we disagree, but we do disagree… sometimes on things very serious to both of us. It affects our friendship exactly as much as you have courage. None.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:06 pmI see Patterico. Thanks for the clarification.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:06 pmIs that what the current laws that we wish to be enforced say? Don’t put words in my mouth. I said exactly what I meant, no more… no less. We have “sensible laws” in place already. Once those are enforced, THAT will be a time for further discussion. Advocating for more laws makes you a gun-grabber. Period. It will only affect law-abiding gun owners and criminals will be unswayed. So what you are proposing will only affect us. No way.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:10 pmTilly has been in the still
https://babalublog.com/2018/03/03/cuban-american-in-line-for-key-white-house-post/#comments
narciso (d1f714) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:14 pmThey should have locked her in the basement with the Tedster instead of the Understudy (from a 1995 Seinfeld episode).
urbanleftbehind (e1b96a) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:20 pmStashiu3 I don’t think that people need guns like AR-15’s. But we already draw the line somewhere, and that’s where I draw it. You don’t have to agree with it or like it.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:23 pmBut trying to say that I’m a “gun-grabber” is a distortion since I’m not advocating banning all guns, just a certain kind. An AR-15 grabber maybe, but a gun-grabber in general? No, not really. See the difference?
There is no difference Tillman. You want to grab AR-15’s. Thank you for admitting it. Others want to grab all semi-automatics. What about the line being drawn there? Grabbing legal guns is gun-grabbing. No way.
Tell me the difference between an AR-15 and a Ruger mini-14. And why I get to keep my mini-14 and not an AR-15. I am already certain you can’t do it without Googling or such, or you wouldn’t have singled out the AR-15. I’ll wait.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:28 pmTillman – you are responding to a caricature of an AR-15. They are not uniquely deadly. Not uniquely dangerous. Powerful. Anything. And the 2nd Amendment doesn’t mention “need”.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:33 pmHe just knows it is scary, black, and talked badly about in the media. Not much else.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:35 pmTo be clear, I’m talking about AR-15’s, not Justice Clarence Thomas.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:36 pmStashiu3, let’s try to put this into perspective. If I advocated a stricter law on elderly people driving, you’d think it would be fair, if you were politically motivated against my proposal, to call me a Driver’s License grabber. That’s wouldn’t really be true in a broad sense. And see how dumb it sounds?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:38 pmStash – it is amazing some of the things I have read that the AR15 is capable of. .223 most lethal round ever made. One round can cut a person in half. One round in FL was a thru-and-thru, not 1, not 2, but 3 thru and thru’s With one round. AR15 designed for the military. The list is endless. High capacity rapid fire magazines.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:38 pmTillman – the way to do that for guns is to change the 2nd Amendment.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:39 pmTillman – the way to do that for guns is to change the 2nd Amendment. And driving is a privilege. Guns are a Right. A capital R Right. Not some made up one.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:40 pmOkay, times up. The standard mini-14 looks like a traditional rifle, does not have a picatinny rail so it won’t hold a lot of attachments. It will however, support a scope.
Fires 5.56 ammo, just like an AR-15.
Uses the same magazines as an AR-15, so just as many rounds.
Similar rates of fire since both are semi-automatic.
Can be modified to have a picatinny rail, so a little work will let you add all the scary bells and whistles.
Stock can be swapped out so it is shorter, more tactical (and scary) very easily.
Can add a pistol grip behind the magazine so it looks even scarier.
I’m sure there is more that can be done, but you get the point, right? Your driver’s license analogy is a complete fail since we don’t have a right to one built into the Constitution. You clearly haven’t thought this through and rely on media propaganda.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:46 pmStashiu3, you’re not worth talking to and I’ll treat you accordingly. You are lacking in higher brain functioning or just a hack. Yes, the analogy does apply, regardless.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:50 pmBut you are not interested in a debate. You are going by your feelings, not facts. You don’t like AR-15’s (for whatever reasons), so you think they should be banned. You realize how many progressives FEEL nobody should have a gun. I assume you do. If you get your way, why shouldn’t they get theirs?
You are an admitted gun-grabber, albeit without using logic or reason. There are many more like you, but more extreme. You want a line? We say, “No more.”
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:51 pmJust more non-sense Stashiu3.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:52 pmYou don’t like AR-15’s (for whatever reasons)
Jeez Louise
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:54 pmReally? I’m the one not worth talking to? I’m the one bringing facts, not feels. Look in the mirror hack. The analogy clearly doesn’t apply and it is rather amazing you don’t see that. Show me driver’s license eligibility in the Constitution. Actually, it’s not so amazing. You get your ass handed to you and suddenly I’M not the one worth talking to. Yeah, that’s not transparent at all.
Just come on back if you ever want to try again, ‘cuz I told you once… the rest is an exercise for the student.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:57 pmAnd Stashiu3 pats himself hard on the back, like Captain Chaos.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:00 pmIf you were really concerned about AR-15’s, you would be just as concerned about mini-14’s (a very popular hunting rifle.) But, if you were, that would put the lie to only wanting to grab AR-15’s. You really should stay away from this topic because you are incredibly uninformed and inconsistent.
Or just straight-out lying.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:00 pmStash – they should ban the Colt Sportster.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:03 pmAnd the slingshot. David and Goliath, remember? “I think” and “feel” does not an argument make. I think and feel differently, have the Constitution on my side, and use facts to support my ideas and arguments. I’d say my thinking and feelings should count more than his. He doesn’t like it? Too bad. Change the Constitution. Or try to force me.
I said earlier. Cold.dead.hands.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:08 pmIn a different thread, not this one. But earlier. 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:09 pmJust remember what the government said about their belief that they can force you to eat broccoli.
Just wait till they try and ban driving (due to self-driving cars) and limiting your freedom of movement… all in the name of safety.
They don’t want you to have an ounce of freedom. You might get ideas.
NJRob (b00189) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:19 pmIt does bother me that we think of the Bill of Rights as positive rights that the left can somehow take away from us. They are God given rights that are not under the dominion of government. They are what the government cannot do to us. Period.
NJRob (b00189) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:21 pmI think seat belts are a better analogy than drivers licenses. Only police cars should have seat belts. Because sometimes police have to drive fast. Every law abiding citizen should just be a slow and cautious driver and rely on the police to protect them from collisions with those who are not.
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:25 pmTilman, I encourage you to fill the gaps in your knowledge that your comments reveal. Many, many people believe that the term “AR-15” is a meaningful one that can be used to distinguish among guns of one level of dangerousness and guns of some different level. Your comment puts you in company with all those folks, and you’re every single one of you completely mistaken.
(I’ll probably misstate some minor detail in this attempted public service announcement, but I invite those more knowledgeable to correct me if so.)
AR isn’t for assault rifle, it’s for ArmaLite Rifle, which was the first company to manufacture the M-16 (selectable) fully-automatic rifle for the U.S. military. The “AR” prefix isn’t unique, though, to rifles manufactured by ArmaLite, but rather now, “AR” describes a whole general style of rifle that typically features the same general look, and many of the same practical features, as the M-16 — except that all ARs are going to be semi-automatic, meaning only one round per pull of the trigger.
You can buy an AR-style rifle, including some that are also marketed as “AR-15s” (but many aren’t), made by many different companies from many different countries and — here’s the important part — in many different calibers. You can buy them in a .22LR caliber, a tiny and very cheap round that’s also used for pistols, which is fun for target practice but not much useful otherwise; and you can buy them all the way up to a .50 caliber round that would be useful in stopping a charging rhino or a suicide truck bomber. At a glance, they all look pretty much like an M-16, but that’s only superficial.
The most popular caliber, .223 — which is what the Parkland shooter used — corresponds closely (but not quite exactly) to the 5.56mm NATO-standard round used in the M-16. And yes, a supersonic rifle round in that caliber can be very deadly, especially as compared to subsonic rounds (like from a handgun), because they do cavitation (shock-wave) tissue damage in addition to direct wound damage. But as rifle rounds go, however, that’s a pretty small one — meaning it’s not only smaller around, punching a smaller hole, but less massive. Compared to larger calibers, a .223 round is going to be less accurate, especially at longer distances, and more affected by things like wind or brush.
While a .223 semi-automatic rifle, whether in an AR-style configuration or a more conventional one (that you’d probably identify as looking like a “hunting rifle,” rather than like a military M-16), is a fine rifle for some types of hunting (coyotes, wild pigs, large varmints), many ethical hunters don’t want to use them for deer or larger game precisely because they are insufficiently likely to provide a one-shot humane kill.
That’s why, as a boy, I hunted deer with semi-automatic rifles in larger calibers — .308 or .30-06 — which were more deadly to large mammals, more accurate, with greater range. So your average deer hunter’s semi-automatic rifle is likely to be much more powerful, much more deadly, and able to fire at essentially the same rate as an AR-style rifle. And indeed, the .30-06 closely corresponds with the round used by not just the U.S., but many other militaries, through and including WW2. And yes, by the way, you can buy extended magazines even for non-AR-style semi-automatic rifles — although most deer hunters don’t want that sticking out while they’re in trees and don’t need the additional capacity.
So when someone says they want to ban “AR-15s,” they literally do not know what they’re talking about, and more to the point, neither can anyone else. It’s exactly as meaningful as the term, “scary-looking rifle.” If you want to ban scary-looking rifles, I respectfully suggest that no rational case can be made for that, which is why Congress permitted the Clinton-era “assault rifle ban” to lapse.
Typically, when someone finally forces pro-gun control folks to admit these basic ballistic facts, they’ll abandon their insistence that we ban “assault rifles” and simply demand instead that we ban all semi-automatic rifles, or semi-automatic weapons (which include handguns and shotguns), or simply all guns. CNN organized a two-minutes-of-hate festival with cheers for exactly that in Florida just last week, and in the latest polls, 82% of Democrats either agree or strongly agree that all semi-automatic weapons should be banned. Most of those people don’t know or care about any of these details, and they no longer pay even lip service to the idea that they don’t want to ban guns outright. But if you’re not in that group — and you say you’re not, so I take that on faith — you might want to be more careful in the future in describing what kind of sensible gun control laws you support.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:25 pmThe reality is that the progressives have used the courts to take about our rights already. Just a few examples off the top of my head. Not meant to be comprehensive.
The first as far as free exercise of religion (being forced to bake a cake with a message you are against for religious reasons), freedom of speech (hate speech, which has ended up being any speech the progressives disagree with, however mild), and petitioning of government for redress of grievances (almost impossible if they decide against it.)
The second… under attack and already eroded far more than it should.
The fourth… civil asset forfeiture. How the hell is this legitimate? Also, and this goes along with the fifth I believe, searching of phones without consent. They say your fingerprint can be used against your will to open your phone/tablet and probably computer, although I don’t know if that’s been contested yet. I believe it’s an illegal search according to the plain language of the Constitution, and also compulsory testimony against yourself because of all the information we keep on our devices. You can say don’t do that then, but that’s not practical these days.
The sixth… Title IX hearing at colleges.
Look at the 9th and 10th Amendments. Now essentially meaningless for all practical purposes.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:38 pmHe’s at the spittle-flicking stage right now. He can talk normal for brief periods, it’s the truth he has trouble with then. Ask him if you can share the email, lol. I’m dying here! 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:22 pm
Some folks might call him a suppressive person.
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:45 pmWell said Beldar. Minor quibbles, but not substantive enough to even mention. I’m sure if redc1c4 were around, we’d see a paragraph explaining further, but it’s not really needed. As I said above, we already have sensible gun control laws which need to be enforced. We also have a lot of gun control laws which are not sensible (why are silencers Class III? makes no sense). These should be removed.
You are kinder than I am. I think he demonstrated clearly that he IS in that group, but I’ll do me and you do you. When he said that I’m lacking in higher brain functioning or just a hack, he made his views as clear as could be.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:47 pm’m concerned that he was so supportive of guns and possesses at least one. Except for his age, he likely fits several points common to mass shooters.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 5:43 pm
He has a self described arsenal and as characterized by me, arrested development.
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:49 pmtake *away
Title IX *hearings
Getting tired. Probably going to leave soon.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:50 pmIt would help, in general, for those that want to take away or diminish other people Tight, to learn the basics about that which you want to ban.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:54 pmPinandpuller,
He’s certainly not very stable. I would really love to see the email he sent Patterico, but not without Ben burn’s permission, which P wouldn’t do anyway. I’d bet that showing it to a psychiatrist and a judge would be fun. (No Ben burn, that is not a threat either. But “take a picture” anyway. It just shows more delusional thinking.)
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:54 pmActually, it would help, in general, for those that want to take away or diminish rights to self-deport and learn what that’s actually like in other countries. Just sayin’
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:56 pmFew quibbles that would simply distract from the larger point, Belfast. Well said. Very well said.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:59 pmHe did seem to lose the last vestige of coherency around that time. Now, why would that in particular trigger him? No pun intended. Okay, a small one intended.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:06 pmI’m out for the night I hope. Be well my friends… and Ben burn. At least, that’s my intent. I reserve the right to lurk or pop back in for any length of time due to insomnia (honest translation: insomnia = renewed and growing obsession with slapping down trolls and other idiots.)
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:15 pmNot likely that you will see him around. I saw him on Twitter boasting to someone that he stopped paying attention to me because he didn’t like my attitude on Trump. Here, wait a second while I look for the tweet.
*searches*
Ah, here it is.
I blocked him after that.
By the way, I never once used the #NeverTrump hashtag or called myself a “NeverTrumper.” But whatever.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:44 pmTillman – you are responding to a caricature of an AR-15. They are not uniquely deadly. Not uniquely dangerous. Powerful. Anything. And the 2nd Amendment doesn’t mention “need”.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:33 pm
Talk show host Phil Valentine was using this as an illustration:
Your car may look like a NASCAR but if it only tops out at 120 MPH it ain’t a NASCAR.
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:47 pm@211. Tillman- A close friend had a cousin who was one of the victims killed in the Aurora theater massacre in 2012. The ballistics and autopsy reports indicated a single round, which ripped through multiple theatre seats w/ease, came from a S&W M&P15 sport semi-automatic rifle, S&W’s design of an AR-15. The fatal chest wound was about the size of a fist. But the hole left in their family was much larger and the damage deeper, lasting a lifetime. It’s not pleasant to revisit.
There’s little point debating this topic on a blog, w/advocates from both sides firing off bursts of copy at each other in a running word battle. It generates more heat than light. But clearly there’s a problem that responsible, intelligent people using common sense can solve. Hope this kind of tragedy never touches the life of anyone here– or anyone in their circle of friends. Because the when world moves on, the hurt remains. But the stats are easy to look up: 76 shots were fired in the Aurora theater: 6 from a shotgun, 65 from the S&W M&P15– with a 100-round drum magazine (that eventually jammed) and 5 from a .40-caliber handgun. 12 people were killed, 70 others were injured, 58 of them from gunfire.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:52 pmlet’s try to put this into perspective. If I advocated a stricter law on elderly people driving, you’d think it would be fair, if you were politically motivated against my proposal, to call me a Driver’s License grabber. That’s wouldn’t really be true in a broad sense. And see how dumb it sounds?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:38 pm
You’re what I would call a selective hander-outer. Like may issue as opposed to shall issue.
How do you feel about free speech zones? I don’t support them. How would you like to take a test and pay a fee to get a license to qualify for an IP address?
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:53 pmTillman – the way to do that for guns is to change the 2nd Amendment.
JD (ec3581) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:39 pm
Someone was just pointing out most states have similar guarantees in their constitutions.
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/3/2018 @ 11:56 pmShow me driver’s license eligibility in the Constitution.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 9:57 pm
Blackmun and Kennedy and Roberts and a whole slew of others need to get in line ahead of Tillman for Show and Tell.
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:05 amHe’s certainly not very stable. I would really love to see the email he sent Patterico, but not without Ben burn’s permission, which P wouldn’t do anyway. I’d bet that showing it to a psychiatrist and a judge would be fun. (No Ben burn, that is not a threat either. But “take a picture” anyway. It just shows more delusional thinking.)
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/3/2018 @ 10:54 pm
Do you think he donated a buck to Mr Patterico for lawyer/client privilege?
Pinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:13 amI did say I was #NeverTrump. I didn’t vote for him. A reality-TV star? No way was I going down that road. I didn’t vote for Hillary though either. I’ve never bought into the “binary choice” argument. My “Zombie Reagan” didn’t make it though, so I’m glad at how things turned out. I have been amazed at how conservative President Trump has been.
Don’t listen to what he says. Look at what he eventually does. Even on guns, I think what he’s done is make the GOPe gun-grabbers declare themselves. Now he knows who to ignore. We’ll see, but I don’t expect him to change. Despite fierce opposition from progressives and the GOPe, he’s gotten a lot done and is positioned to get even more accomplished.
President Obama is a low bar for reference, but Hillary would have gone lower. No doubt in my mind. Sorry to hear about red though. More talk is better than less. I would have thought he’d know that.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:33 amI always make a point to see the autopsies of the cousins of my close friends. Where did you see this? A .223/5.56 round does not leave a fist-sized hole though. Must have been one of those exploding rounds from Last Action Hero.
It’s this type of propaganda that leaves gun-grabbers misinformed.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:38 amI’m pretty sure Patterico would have to accept it for that purpose for privilege to apply (yes, I know you were joking.) 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:55 amYes and if the authorities at the university has apprised law enfircemt, there would have been a dozen less dead at that theatre, same for Tucson sutherland, Richmond that town in oregon
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:00 amDo you think he donated a buck to Mr Patterico for lawyer/client privilege?
felipe (023cc9) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:20 amPinandpuller (91b17b) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:13 am
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I’m pretty sure Patterico would have to accept it for that purpose for privilege to apply (yes, I know you were joking.) 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:55 am
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He may have given P a “rat’s @ss.” Would that count? Anyway, “It’s aul Good man!”
He has a self described arsenal and as characterized by me, arrested development.
But that would mean you have character, and cognitive ability.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:29 amSomeday we can return to this subject with cool recognition of what truly constitutes a Scandal like wars cobbled from lies (Iraq) and all those good people who failed at everything except killing thousands more Americans than Hillary ever did.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:40 amApparently sleeping it off didn’t help Ben sober up.
JD (f104dd) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:45 amInternational Man of Parody – no .223 round is capable of that. Period. Full stop.
JD (f104dd) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:47 am“The ballistics and autopsy reports indicated a single round, which ripped through multiple theatre seats w/ease…”
There was nothing easy about it. It took years of discipline, training and a diet heavy on protein and light on carbs.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:05 amThe key is to follow what is done, not what is said. Lefty nitwits and #NeverTrump haven’t learned that lesson and continue to chase the red laser dot.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:09 amTillman is no Gun Grabber to anyone but the most obtuse.
Personally, if cops have full auto we should have it as well to be a proper Militia. AR15 is under fire because it looks scary and you don’t hunt Bambi with them. Some people use semi auto 12 gauge to hunt deer. That’s scary.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:18 amThere is nothing wrong with hunting with an AR, Ben. It was originally designed for just that purpose.
JD (ec3581) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:39 amAnd hunting deer with slugs is very common. Why on earth would it coming from a semi-automatic instead of a pump-action make any difference at all? Apparently, you have guns, but don’t know guns.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:42 amAnd we can have full auto. It’s a paperwork drill and you have to pay an extra tax, but Class III weapons are readily available.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:43 amIf we’re talking about exit wounds as opposed to entrance wounds, I’m not so sure that a .223 caliber bullet couldn’t cause an exit wound the size of a fist. The amount of tumbling the bullet does in the body, not just the size of the bullet, is what determines the size of the exit wound.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:44 amI know who DCSCA’s friend is, and if the family were filing a lawsuit (which they probably are), it would not at all surprise me that they would have access to (and discuss) the contents of autopsy reports.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:46 amsome states do not allow you to use .223 to hunt game as it is not as likely to kill as a more powerful round.
kaf (bd613c) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:46 amJD: .223 is ok for hunting but the narrative frames it as only for killing people, as though hunting is what the 2nd Amendment is about. It isn’t, as you know.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:47 amPatterico – I’d love to see the report that claims that a .223 can do that. The fist thing, by itself, under specific conditions, might be possible. But not passing through 3 theatre chairs and then swing a person in half.
JD (ec3581) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:53 amHas anyone seen wounds from a rifled 12 gauge slug?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:58 amArmy studies that I’ve seen (and I have worked trauma in the past, took the Trauma Nurse Corps Course, was an instructor for Basic Trauma Life Support, and worked with patients injured by .223 caliber rounds) say that the .223 does not typically leave a large exit wound. A .30 cal or .50 cal does, but the .223 does not.
This may be one of the exceptions, but DCSCA does not get the benefit of the doubt with me. He just recently told a provable lie to me. I even joked that the more things change, the more they stay the same. He used to lie to me with regularity. YMMV.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:59 amYes. Grew up in Michigan, lots of deer hunting there.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:00 amHeh. I see someone used license to drive laws as comparative..has anyone ever wondered how one needs to prove ones innocence in Traffic Court? See Common Law versus Admiralty Law
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:04 amRight there. Right there was an opportunity to make a point clearly and without snark. You passed it by. Why?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:07 amIt’s not my point. It’s the Framers who chose Common Law as foundational rather than pure Greek democracy. Admiralty Law purloins their intent because…lawyers.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:12 amI understand the point, I just don’t understand why you just didn’t make it clearly and tried to have people who didn’t understand do research to figure out what you meant. You could have just said it and left it to stand on its own.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:14 amWell I could give you a fish, or I could teach you how to fish.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:18 amI already know how to fish, Michigan, remember? You really believe you’re superior to everyone here, don’t you? Sad.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:25 amNot superior, but every bit your equal.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:26 amBut your “teaching moment” was to everyone, as if they are all your students. That’s how you see yourself, right? Bringing knowledge to the heathens (I’m paraphrasing statements you’ve made before on why you are here.)
As far as being my equal… hahaha.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:30 amWe now at the feet of the omniscient Ben, our moral and intellectual superior. May we all grow as a result of his Boone’s Farm fueled megalomania.
JD (ec3581) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:55 amBoone’s Farm… a Blast from teh Past!
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:11 amI see the porcine need to be more equal
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:12 amLawyers run from common law. They’d be out of bizness except for Commercial law abd its necessary complexity.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:14 amBoone’s Farm, yes. As some of you know, I’m not much of a drinker. Nothing against it, just never got into it. Two or three beers during the Super Bowl (although not this year of course, watched no NFL after the second game when they got so ridiculous) and a total of about 12 drinks a year.
Decided to try some wine. Went into Kroger and asked the guy working there (really seems to know wines) for a good red for someone who doesn’t drink much and knows nothing about wine. Red, because that’s what my Mom and Aunt usually drank at parties and such. Really didn’t like what he sold me much, but he had said come back if I didn’t like it and he would try to help me until I did find something.
Went back and told him it was too bitter for me, not enjoyable to drink. Then, I mentioned that as a young man (a kid really) I used to enjoy Boone’s Farm Strawberry Hill with my friends when we could sneak it. His face got that “Ah-hah” look and he said that I should get a white wine. He sold me Castello Del Poggio Moscoto (spelling?) which he said was the top seller at Olive Garden for less than half the price they charge. Nailed it.
So, if you’re like me and don’t know diddly about wine but just want something you like, try it. This ends the public service announcement/commercial.
Disclaimer: I do not own stock in, or receive any benefit from whatever (or any) company that sells this. I think they’re in Italy anyway.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:24 amNot a need to be more equal, just the fact that I am better than you. And I’m not really that good. You’re just such a low bar. Animal Farm references are trite anymore btw.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:27 amPermission for Patterico to forward your email from last night to me? You keep ignoring it, but it’s a simple yes or no.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:28 amYou’re a Legend in your own hind
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:28 amI don’t do requests especially for hecklers in the Pit.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:30 amBut you seemed so proud of it. Please give permission to share.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:31 amWhat if I request you keep breathing? Will you hold your breath? (No, that’s not a threat of any kind, jeez!)
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:32 amEven Tories see it.
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-tells-donald-trump-of-deep-concern-over-us-trade-tariffs-11276237
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:34 amRecommended reading
https://m.barnesandnoble.com/p/how-to-think-alan-jacobs/1125530281/2678270042815?st=PLA&sid=BNB_DRS_Core+Catch-All,+Low_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP79700&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiqzI4KzT2QIVUVp-Ch1BEA5YEAQYBCABEgKxAvD_BwE
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:59 amLearn to link for goodness sake. It’s not that hard.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:02 amI like people to see where they’re going, not ambush them. Now,.. narciso needs to be taught how to fish.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:06 amIt’s easy to see where you are going. Just long-press (since you’re on a mobile device) and you will see the link without having to go to it. On a computer, just hover the mouse and the link shows at the bottom. If you need a tutorial, there’s no shame in that. We all had to learn how to be polite and not spam the comments with blue.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:22 amSpañada… I remember back in my college days people getting sick after drinking that at a party. I was recently reminiscing with old friends where I’d learned that some dolt had spiked it with mescaline.
D’OH!
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:25 amspam the comments with blue
But your verbosity is a blessing..
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:30 amWhy thank you.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:47 amDisclaimer: I do not own stock in, or receive any benefit from whatever (or any) company that sells this. I think they’re in Italy anyway.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:24 am
Last year my wife returned from a visit with her mom with a newfound enjoyment of Liberty Creek sweet red. But if you like screw cap wine, and I think you do, Aldi has this Moisses Pink or Red Moscato that’s cheap and easy.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:52 amIt seems like the media has totally missed that the sheriff of Broward Countyy was put into office by Roger Stone and seems to have rewarded him with patronage, after a precvious election which he lost in which Roger Stone opposed him.
This Roger Stone.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:54 amhttp://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-roger-stone-sheriff-israel-20140809-story.html
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:54 amI think I meant Moiselle’s. I can’t say if it’s Kosher or not. Not an issue for me.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:56 amNot sure I’ve ever had corked wine Pin. Strawberry Hill still brings back fond memories, so that pretty much sums up my taste (or lack thereof.) 😉
I will take a look for your suggestions and let you know how they were if I find them. You’re probably right.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 11:56 amAll of these laws in the South against buying wine on Sundays have to be 100% against any church that’s not Southern Baptist right?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:01 pmI have no idea about blue laws. I know when I was at Fort Knox it was a dry county. We had to go to a bar called “The County Line” (yes, right across the county line) for drinks and dancing if we didn’t want to go on post.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:03 pmCan you imagine Ben Burn at that bar? All country, filled with active duty and retired military, mostly Army, who were there to blow off steam and party?
hahaha
Disclaimer: That was not, in any way, shape, or form any kind of threat. Just sayin’
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:06 pmMaybe they observing some of these verses :
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:10 pmhttp://biblereasons.com/drinking-wine
narciso,
I know that we were warned that buying beer (or any alcohol) on post and drinking it on your front porch would get you a ticket. Warned strongly.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:12 pmVery interesting link, thanks.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:17 pmYour welcome, now one notes one of the problems lither and Calvin on down was they took it as a blanket prohibition, now we’ve goner the other way round.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:21 pmIndiana lifted it’s Sunday prohibition today…liquor sales started at noon and of course a 3rd of Facebook feed is aspiring drunks either in checkout with a few cases or in the liquor aisle
urbanleftbehind (b60adc) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:31 pmI was just over at Kroger and got some Chameleon Cold Brew but I don’t think that’s what Tommy Shaw was talking about.
But Ben sitting on a bar stool talking like a damn fool…spot on.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:48 pmI’m not sure how long Ben burn would be sitting, on a bar stool or anywhere, if he dared to open his mouth. Blowing off steam often meant behaviors just shy of needing to call for MP’s. Dragging someone who was being a jerk outside for corrective training was known to happen and was unlikely to bring the cops.
Disclaimer: That was not, in any way, shape, or form any kind of threat. Just sayin’
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:53 pmbuying beer (or any alcohol) on post and drinking it on your front porch would get you a ticket. Warned strongly.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:12 pm
You can buy beer 12-12 on Sunday and 6AM-12 any other day. I didn’t even see your post before my reference.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:57 pmLuther loved beer narciso.
“Whoever drinks beer, he is quick to sleep; whoever sleeps long, does not sin; whoever does not sin, enters Heaven! Thus, let us drink beer!”
― Martin Luther
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:01 pmDragging someone who was being a jerk outside for corrective training was known to happen and was unlikely to bring the cops.
Disclaimer: That was not, in any way, shape, or form any kind of threat. Just sayin’
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 12:53 pm
I think Ben was just praising Common Law which is sort of a continuation of Natural Law which is the law you find at bars.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:03 pmWell that’s one interpretation, that isn’t the first contemplated use for alcohol is it?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:04 pmPin,
I believe you’re right. Hahaha.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:07 pmDisclaimer: That was not, in any way, shape, or form any kind of threat. Just sayin’
ASSumptions make you more arse than heady.
What makes you think a bar is your backyard? Stomping often accompanies lawyers without sense as a correction, of sorts.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:09 pmWhen he drinks like this, it’s as if he runs the original sentence through Google-translate several times before coming back to English. I’m not going to bother trying to figure out what he’s trying to say. He can sober up first.
Out for a while. Be well my friends… and Ben burn.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:13 pmWhen you consider some of the later passages as well as the introduction of the lotus cadet burn is so fond of.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:13 pmOh, before I go… am I still a chickenhawk? I’ll look for your answer when I get back.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:14 pmI don’t know if this counts as a Life Pro Tip but here goes:
I thought the actuator or whatever releases my trunk wasn’t working because my trunk wouldn’t open. I looked at the fuses under the hood but no dice. I went to look for another fuse box in my glove box and noticed a switch on the left hand side and viola! It disables the trunk release. I must have flipped it getting CD’s in and out.
Now I need to get a valet key so I can lock the glove box if I go through a 4th Amendment dead zone.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:15 pmDid you see combat? Or was your ads safe in the rear, with the gear?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:16 pmDid you even deploy to a combat zone?
Did you volunteer at least?
[Documentation required
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:18 pmEvery hip craft brewery today peddling expensive hoppy beers owes a debt of gratitude to Luther and his followers for promoting the use of hops as an act of rebellion against the Catholic Church. But why did Protestants decide to embrace this pretty flower, and what did it have to do with religious rebellion?
Therein foams a bitter pint of history.
In the 16th century, the Catholic Church had a stranglehold on beer production, since it held the monopoly on gruit — the mixture of herbs and botanicals (sweet gale, mug wort, yarrow, ground ivy, heather, rosemary, juniper berries, ginger, cinnamon) used to flavor and preserve beer. Hops, however, were not taxed. Considered undesirable weeds, they grew plentifully and vigorously — their invasive nature captured by their melodic Latin name, Humulus lupulus (which the music-loving Luther would have loved), which means “climbing wolf.
“The church didn’t like hops,” says William Bostwick, the beer critic for The Wall Street Journal and author of The Brewer’s Tale: A History of the World According to Beer. “One reason was that the 12th century German mystic and abbess Hildegard had pronounced that hops were not very good for you, because they ‘make the soul of a man sad and weigh down his inner organs.’ So, if you were a Protestant brewer and wanted to thumb your nose at Catholicism, you used hops instead of herbs.”
The Other Reformation
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:19 pmThat was quick. Okay, I can take a few minutes.
What if I didn’t deploy? Does that make me a chickenhawk?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:19 pmI’m not much for sports but that looks a lot like moving the goalposts Ben.
It’s not a sin to spin out. It is a sin to spin out and act like you’re still on the road.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:22 pmWell I’m a fan of the non alcoholic hops as well, hard to find, commonly known as Malta, available at marianos
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:22 pmBen burn
Have you done PT at 6 am?
EPWJ (4dc563) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:24 pmStashiu3, did you personally kill Ho Chi Min? Did you even take a shot at him? Have you ever shot a gun vaguely in the direction of Vietnam?
Ben Burn, official Planned Parenthood of Kentucky spokesperson.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:27 pmPT is a luxury. I do what I can.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:27 pmDocumentation? Really? You want me outed in public, on this particular blog? You are truly an idiot. There is no excuse for not searching the site history after I specifically told you to for more information. Patterico even told you yesterday he had done a series of articles about me. You are willfully ignorant and dangerous.
Yes, I deployed and every time I volunteered. Now, you want to put me and my family at risk? You are despicable.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:30 pmExactly prescribing the problems I have for your recently endorsed role as being indistinguishable from our host, which I find quite disturbing.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:32 pmYou are a bald faced liar. Patterico and I have both explained that neither of us represents the other, so that position has only been endorsed by you. You are disturbed, this is true.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:34 pm294. 295 (cf 168 170)
I meant to cite this article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-stones-secret-messages-with-wikileaks/554432
You could tier Scott Israel to Trump that way! Maybe. Because who knows on what side Roger Stone really was. Or is.
Also to Obama, where, encouraged by the federal government, he seems to have done some de-policing.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:35 pmI just planted some hops for fun, it’s supposed to be an attractive plant. Stevia is hardy here. I am going to try to cut some for my wife to see if it infuses well in sun tea. Along with Lemon Balm, but that smells too much like Lemon Pledge for me.
When I was doing the propane delivery thing I filled a backyard tank for a Vietnam Vet. He had gone back to visit and brought some bamboo home that was growing tall in his yard. Hopefully he wasn’t a reenactor.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:38 pmPin,
Rambo was just a movie character bro, honest. Lol.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:39 pmPisser for Trump:
https://patterico.com/2018/03/03/politico-those-damned-republicans-are-seizing-on-the-issue-of-the-coward-county-sheriff/#comment-2094747
Knee-cap suckers suck..
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:40 pmNotice he didn’t retract the chickenhawk slur? Coward.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:40 pmThis asshat Ben is something else.
JD (ec3581) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:41 pm“We agree more than we disagree, but we do disagree… sometimes on things very serious to both of us.”
You’re a widget without autonomy. You suck as does the disingenuous debater of record
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:43 pmTry to change the subject with another link. Really going to go for now. I’m sure Ben burn will continue his nonsense and slurs. I consider what he just did an attempt to dox me, if only a clumsy one. Still, serious.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:44 pmWhat was your MOS?
Fry cook?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:44 pmJD stands for Jerkydick?
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:45 pmMy intuition is China got proactive decades ago.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/15/exocet-missile-how-sinking-hms-sheffield-made-famous
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:11 pmYes, I deployed and every time I volunteered. Now, you want to put me and my family at risk? You are despicable.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 1:30 pm
So I wasn’t supposed to tell him that Pamela Gellar is your third cousin? My bad.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:14 pmQuestions no one was asking:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:18 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/969939225180364805
Ben Burn
MOS DEAF
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:18 pmHyperInflation
a. German Economy 1930’s
b. BB’s ego 1060’s
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:20 pm*1960’s
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:21 pmYes, cuz anonymity is about ego…PUTZ
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:22 pmIt’s more about politics and Hunter S. Thompson defined it best:
The art of controlling your environment
Obviously I’m a novice.
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:24 pmNow what detail did they leave out:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/03/more-mueller-madness.php
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:32 pmDon’t forget the second x Stashiu3:
Doxology passed into English from Medieval Latin doxologia, which in turn comes from the Greek term doxa, meaning “opinion” or “glory,” and the suffix -logia, which refers to oral or written expression. It’s logical enough, therefore, that “doxology” has referred to an oral expression of praise and glorification since it first appeared in English around 1645. The word ultimately derives from the Greek verb dokein, meaning “to seem” or “to seem good.” Two cousins of “doxology” via “dokein” are “dogma” and “paradox.” More distant relatives include “decent” and “synecdoche.” The Gloria in Excelsis and the Gloria Patri are two of the best-known and most often sung doxologies in contemporary Christianity.
I Am Kin to Merriam If You Hope to Doxx Me
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:46 pmThe only thing worse than a tragedy is it’s exploitation.
https://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/story/news/2018/03/04/mother-arrested-after-boy-shoots-4-year-old-sister-ashland-county/393353002/
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:51 pmForcing another more expensive debacle than the Pentagonal Bradley death capsule…F-35
Ben burn (636263) — 3/4/2018 @ 2:57 pmhttps://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2018/03/03/ben-and-jerrys-ben-cohen-arrested-during-f-35-protest-noise-burlington/391987002/
Jorge Pay Boosh you’re the greaaatest!!!
Though he has far more campaign cash than his rivals and has reportedly spent $2m in the past month, Bush has run an anaemic – one might say low-energy – campaign, with scant media availability and no events listed on his website. He is still the favourite, but if he fails to get above 50% of the vote on 6 March – when Texas holds the country’s first primaries ahead of the 2018 midterms – he will face a potentially dangerous runoff.
“It’s quite possible that the Bush political dynasty, at least for this generation, could end in the spring of 2018 because if George P Bush fails to win the GOP nomination for land commissioner it’s tough to see him coming back from that any time soon,” said Mark Jones, a political scientist at Rice University. The dynasty began with Prescott Bush – George P’s great-grandfather – becoming senator for Connecticut in 1952.
Come on, I’m sure throwing money at an election will work this time…
The last stand of Bush’s political career could be the Alamo. His predecessor and main rival, Jerry Patterson – a history buff who used to carry guns in his cowboy boots and cultivated a relationship with the pop star and leading Alamo artefact[sic] collector, Phil Collins –has made Bush’s supposed failure as a steward of the historical battlefield site into a key campaign issue. Bush has also drawn criticism for the slow pace of disaster recovery efforts following Hurricane Harvey.
Wait, what???!!!
pop star and leading Alamo artefact[sic] collector, Phil Collins
The Guardian
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:04 pmGeorge P Bush wanted to move the Cenotaph and somehow managed to one-up Ozzy Osborne at The Alamo.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:12 pmBilly did you lose my number?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 3:35 pmEnjoy your one-week vacation. It’s not for that alone. It has built up all thread. See you next Sunday night.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/4/2018 @ 5:25 pmGuns in his boots? Did no one ever tell him about holsters?
Kishnevi (22ac03) — 3/4/2018 @ 5:35 pmHey Ben, if you leave right now you can make it to Celebrate Recovery on time. You’ve got nothing else to do.
Remind me in one week…
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 5:40 pmHere’s something from Reddit that sounds just about right:
In Chicago.
I missed a small claims hearing because I got shot on the way there, and I have medical records to show it. Default judgement was entered against me. Is there anything I can do?
Link
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 5:52 pmHire a lawyer.
nk (dbc370) — 3/4/2018 @ 5:54 pmI’m back. What I miss?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 6:46 pmBen earned a time-out.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/4/2018 @ 6:47 pmJust caught up. Let me check the moderation filter.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 6:48 pmlol, he basically says that it was for no reason, just because Patterico wanted to. To quote a gentleman and a scholar… PUTZ!
Wait, not gentleman and scholar… I meant liar, idiot, and coward. Well-earned time out.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 6:54 pmHire a lawyer.
nk (dbc370) — 3/4/2018 @ 5:54 pm
Getting shot could be the best thing that happened to him that day. Or maybe leave a little earlier.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 6:57 pmDo you think Jimmy Carter is getting a screener for 7 Days in Entebbe?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 6:58 pmI wonder if he shot himself to avoid court. It’s Chicago after all.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:00 pmI told you about the twist in that one, it’s nuanced in favor of the baader and the pflp
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:04 pmIt’s a Reddit post, guys. Fantasy.
nk (dbc370) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:04 pmnk,
I thought fantasy stories always started with, “I was on a night drive back to school when I noticed the bus full of cheerleaders had broken down…”
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:07 pmKids make up these stories and post them. This is pretty mundane stuff compare to the “When I grow up I want to be like mommy” meme.
nk (dbc370) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:08 pmNo people pretend to be a intersected building and scaly dragon
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/03/04/youtube-9-11-truther/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:10 pmIf you hire a lawyer to represent you in a lawsuit and he gets shot heading in it’s at least a win/lose situation. Do you get your money back?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:18 pmWere you the one who shot him in that scenario?
Disclaimer: No lawyers were harmed in the construction of this comment.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:21 pm“I was on a night drive back to school when I noticed the bus full of cheerleaders had broken down…”
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:07 pm
When I was a sophomore my buddy who had a truck with a camper shell and I picked up some drunk 9th grade cheerleaders and dropped them off unmolested. We were on our way to youth group. Not everything ends up on SVU.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:22 pmI’ve almost decided to write a book with the above as its first sentence. Sort of in the Jack Reacher style. That’s a darn good opening sentence to just let die.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:24 pmIt’s hard to top after that:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/04/senior-police-repeatedly-warned-bosses-iraq-inquiry-witch-hunt/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:26 pmI need some sleep my friends (and Ben burn who I’m sure is lurking). Be well.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:29 pmMy dad was in the middle of a lawsuit and one night he woke both he and my mom up laughing. Mom asked about his dream:
I was in a deposition. The opposition’s lawyer pulled out a gun and started shooting. I remained seated and pushed the barrel of the gun away so he couldn’t shoot me, until the gun was empty. When someone asked me why I didn’t disarm him I replied,”He wasn’t my lawyer,” and I woke up laughing.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:30 pmDid you know that “crystal” when referring to high quality glassware is a misnomer? What gives glass its unique properties is that it is an amorphous substance, in a state between liquid and solid (some say a super-cooled liquid while other say that’s only when it’s at just below its melting point but still too hot to touch), which does not have a crystalline structure.
nk (dbc370) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:32 pmThat is interesting but perhaps a case of when marketing gets ahead of science. Now Bone China is not a misnomer, correct?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:47 pm224. So when someone says they want to ban “AR-15s,” they literally do not know what they’re talking about…
Please Beldar, spare me, I was using AR-15 as shorthand for those type killing machines. I knew I’d get some kind of lecture about that.
While I’m no expert, I’ve shot a lot of guns. A friend of mine probably owns a hundred of them. We used to go shooting when I was a teenager and older. My favorite was the 22-250. It’s no elephant gun, but I liked the idea of precision at a distance.
One day, we shot a compressor with muzzle-loader and the bullet came rolling back to us, all flattened out.
He used to load his own bullets and one day he blew up the cylinder on his gun. I’m glad I was standing behind him. (He was fine too, but I know it shook him up some.)
Anyway, it’s crazy how if you’re not a gung-ho NRA guy, the assumption is that anyone else is totally ignorant about them. It’s presumptuous.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/4/2018 @ 7:55 pmAre you talking like a shoot drywall texture compressor or a car wash heavy industrial compressor?
Mercedes Benz also makes a Kompressor.
My dad and a friend and I went shooting. The friend shot a .38 at the door of an old junk car and I shot the same with a wrist rocket and .50 muzzle loader bullets and I did more damage.
The friend was an airline pilot who bit the end of a guy’s thumb off in an apartment complex parking lot dispute.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:01 pmso are bolt actions okay with you?
are lever actions okay with you?
are shotguns okay with you?
are semi-auto pistols okay?
are revolvers okay with you?
are semi-auto rifles that are not .223 AR-15s okay with you?
are muskets okay with you?
if so, explain why they are different (in some meaningful way) from AR-15s.
because every gun ever made is one of “those type killing machines”.
kaf (bd613c) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:06 pmReferring to a tool as a killing machine tends to get you mocked.
JD (ec3581) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:11 pm239. How do you feel about free speech zones?
My general reaction is that I don’t like them either, but I don’t know enough about them to have an informed opinion. But I’m certainly not going to get all fighting mad about it.
But that’s kind of my point about us not getting all worked up about setting some limits to rights we hold dear, if we can agree that they make sense (which I know is a big hurdle).
Tillman (a95660) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:12 pm384. Um JD, that’s what they’re for. “Protection.”
Tillman (a95660) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:15 pmYou don’t send the army out with daisies, do you? No, you give them the baddest gun they can reasonably carry. ‘Cause they’re good for killing people.
Honestly he makes Billy Madison seem profound.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:21 pmNews from the future:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430?SThisFB
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:55 pm“The friend was an airline pilot who bit the end of a guy’s thumb off in an apartment complex parking lot dispute.”
Years of airline food undoubtedly prepared him for this snack.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:27 pmStashiu3
Here’s an idea a la Enemy at the Gates:
Let’s pretend Comrade Ben is stuck holding off a German army in Stalingrad. A couple of times a day you, Joseph Fiennes, check the spam filter and print up an account of his heroic exploits to help build moral.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:39 pmReferring to a tool as a killing machine tends to get you mocked.
JD (ec3581) — 3/4/2018 @ 8:11 pm
That’s what I used to do to this guy called Woodie Guthrie’s Guitar over on Politico.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:41 pmWoodie Guthrie learned how to start campfires from an old Buddhist monk.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:44 pmNo i’m guessing more like squat tony Stephens of arnim Zola (Who was a Swiss nazi)
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:46 pmIs Ben Burn going to break the news to his wife about his time out or is he going to The Girl on the Train it to the nearest bar tomorrow?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/4/2018 @ 9:49 pmJust laugh at the silly people:
http://gcaptain.com/antarctic-sea-ice-forces-research-ship-to-turn-back/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/4/2018 @ 10:08 pmHey Ben. I was just thinking this would be a good time to see if The Prisoner was on Netflix…
If you want we could play spam filter chess but first you’re going to have to get a hold of a small rock hammer…
Pinandpuller (49c20e) — 3/5/2018 @ 12:31 am
Rev.Hoagie (66ef0d) — 3/5/2018 @ 5:26 amSince the ink dried on the Constitution men have gone about “setting some limits to the rights we hold dear”. I think there exists somewhere between 6k and 20k gun laws in this country. At what point have we set enough “some limits” and at what point do those rights we “hold dear” become memories?
They did a unsatisfactory reinaging with Jim caveizel some years back
How are you doing hoagie.
narciso (68348f) — 3/5/2018 @ 6:36 am382. P&P, it was a compressor for a water fountain we found out in the woods (of course the woods used to be one gigantic garbage can back then). I used to work on window unit A/Cs, so I know a little about compressors. Back in the 70s, they built those things like tanks – really heavy. Anyway, the bullet just put a dent in it.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 7:08 amI finally got home last evening. I still need antibiotics to knock out a tad of pneumonia in my left lung but the tube is out, lung inflated to normal and I can finally take a shower and wash my damn hair. I won’t be running around but at least I’m in my own habitat. Thanks to all you guys for your prayers and wishes. It really does mean a lot when one is down to be noticed as MIA.
Rev.Hoagie (66ef0d) — 3/5/2018 @ 7:23 amGlad to hear you’re able to move around a bit and are home safely. Be well Reverend.
NJRob (b00189) — 3/5/2018 @ 7:31 amMy impression is that was for the capital Tripoli, not Benghazi.
There were two facilities in Benghazi. One, used by the CIA, and called sometimes the CIA annex, was supposed to be secret (it may not have been so secret, but at least initially, the people in Washington pretended it was and that people who came to the public site must have been followed back.)
The Ambassador did not use the more secure facility when he went to Benghazi because supposedly, his going to the more protected facility would give the location away, or show the United States was associated with it. To maintain security, he stayed at the known facility.
There are plenty of questions about Benghazi including why he was sent there that day (probably to try to persuade Turkey not to accept a shipment of arms meant for Syrian rebels the U.S. did not support or did not support arming. This has been twisted around to almost the exact opposite. The ship had already left, but the weapons were impounded in Turkey. They may have been used much later.)
The Libyans in charge of security for the known U.S. facility were probably associated with terrorists. It was a surprise attack – but not to the attackers, who knew what they were doing.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:07 amOne hero teacher apparently actually endangered his students.
http://www.newser.com/story/256131/student-coward-parkland-teacher-left-students-in-hall.html
It is protocol, maybe bad protocol.
I read about another (female that’s all I remember) ) teacher who recognized the fire drill as phony because there had already been a fire drill that day, and there wouldn’t be two in the same day, and locked the doors.
When police eventually came around she wouldn’t open the door and said they should either use a key or break the door down, so they broke the door down.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:12 am@ Tilman, who wrote (#381):
Okay, if you already knew what I was trying to convey and found it presumptuous, tell us:
What is it, exactly, that you want to ban?
All rifles that look scary like military rifles? All rifles above a certain caliber? All semi-automatic rifles, or semi-automatic weapons? Tell us what you want to ban, in meaningful terms that can in fact be applied to distinguish between one weapon and another with legal precision, and then we can talk about whether that’s a good idea or not. Until then, while you continue using language that you say you know is imprecise, you should expect to continue to be lectured by those who want to use more precise language, sir.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:27 amI repeat, Tilman: My daddy’s .30-06 semi-automatic deer rifle is considerably more powerful than the rifle the Parkland shooter used — in terms of range, power, and wound damage — and it can be fitted with a 10-round magazine just like the one the Parkland shooter used. Are you planning to ban it? Because unless you explain what you actually do propose to ban, I’m going to assume you’ll grab that gun along with the AR-15 style semi-automatic rifles (regardless of their calibers).
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:30 amNot appropriate and would bolster his claim that I misuse moderator privileges. Now, I remember Patterico doing that with a banned commenter before, but never someone on a timeout.
Noticed you said “can wash” and not “did wash” but I’m not judging. 😉
Good to have you back Rev. I think I’ll wash my hair today in your honor. 😉 😉
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:31 amAlmost identical to the point I was making about the mini-14 Beldar, except mine was even closer to the AR-15. He called it nonsense and stated that I wasn’t worth talking to. If he truly knows guns as he is now claiming, he was being dishonest then. If he doesn’t know guns as well as he now claims, he is being dishonest now.
He is a gun-grabber who would do it by increments.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:37 amThings seem so much more pleasant today. Our crack investigative team is currently analyzing the trend…
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:48 amThis just in… the team is on crack, so they’re pretty useless.
Call me crazy, but we’re missing the hitch in our giddy-up…
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:53 am@ Stashiu3: When I read your earlier comment, I wasn’t already familiar with the Ruger Mini-14, but I googled it and now I 100% agree that it’s an excellent product for proving this exact point.
Thanks, too, for your general feedback at #227 above, and thanks to JD (#233), whose auto-correct converted me to “Belfast.” (That’s in Ireland; everyone except auto-correct knows that Coneheads like me are from Remulak, in France.) Actually, though, I’d genuinely welcome more specifics with both your and JD’s “quibbles” with my long comment at #224, so that I can be as accurate as possible in my future discussions (and a better-educated consumer should I choose to add to my own modest arsenal in the future).
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:56 amI keep getting the same question about what what type of guns would I ban. I know it’s a trap since it is a hard one to answer. I would need to do hours of research to do it justice, because for one thing, there can easily be loopholes and other issues. My simple answer is this: machine guns are illegal, aren’t they? So it can be done and apparently is somewhat effective since we don’t often hear of murders involving machine guns. I’m tempted to say lets ban assault rifles, but I know I’d get all kinds of questions asking me to define exactly what makes an assault rifle and assault rifle. I have neither the time nor the inclination to figure all that out right now. If we do ban them, those details will have to be left to someone more knowledgeable than I am currently.
Allow me to ask a tough question Beldar, and others:
At what point would you say we need more gun control laws? If 20,000 people were murdered a year with firearms? 30,000? Half a million? Where do you draw the line on that?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 8:57 amExcuse my types, it was done sort of in a rush…
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:00 amCan you handle a cap gun, Tillman?
mg (26b367) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:02 am“I know it’s a trap since it is a hard one to answer.”
Is this a desperate cry to dumb it down?
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:03 amThey disarmed him after he shot a playmate with his Daisy Cub bb-gun, mg.
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:04 am@Tillman, meet Ken White of Popehat. You are having exactly the conversation he describes below, and those you are discussing it with are reacting to you just as he predicts:
Me: I don’t want to take away dog owners’ rights. But we need to do something about Rottweilers.
You: So what do you propose?
Me: I just think that there should be some sort of training or restrictions on owning an attack dog.
You: Wait. What’s an “attack dog?”
Me: You know what I mean. Like military dogs.
You: Huh? Rottweilers aren’t military dogs. In fact “military dogs” isn’t a thing. You mean like German Shepherds?
Me: Don’t be ridiculous. Nobody’s trying to take away your German Shepherds. But civilians shouldn’t own fighting dogs.
You: I have no idea what dogs you’re talking about now.
Me: You’re being both picky and obtuse. You know I mean hounds.
You: What the f-ck.
Me: OK, maybe not actually ::air quotes:: hounds ::air quotes::. Maybe I have the terminology wrong. I’m not obsessed with vicious dogs like you. But we can identify kinds of dogs that civilians just don’t need to own.
You: Can we?
Because I’m just talking out of my ass, the impression I convey is that I want to ban some arbitrary, uninformed category of dogs that I can’t articulate. Are you comfortable that my rule is going to be drawn in a principled, informed, narrow way?
So. If you’d like to persuade people to accept some sort of restrictions on guns, consider educating yourself so you understand the terminology that you’re using. And if you’re reacting to someone suggesting gun restrictions, and they seem to suggest something nonsensical, consider a polite question of clarification about terminology.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:05 amTillman and his ilk will have a hard time getting my grandfathers 300 Savage out of my hands.
mg (26b367) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:05 amSemi-automatic Daisy Cub, that is…
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:06 amLol, Col.
mg (26b367) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:07 amFrederick, you think you’re so smart, what would be your proposal then?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:09 amFirecrackers will soon be illegal because they sound like Tillmans cap gun.
mg (26b367) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:09 am@Tillman:Frederick, you think you’re so smart, what would be your proposal then?
My proposal for what? What is it you believe that I want to see done?
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:10 amYou know, if Gun Control is THE story, why does Sheriff Israel not matter? Wouldn’t gun control be enforced by the government, especially the sheriff? And hasn’t the sheriff manifestly shown himself to be utterly incompetent? Ergo, would gun control be utterly incompetent as well?
George Orwell's Ghost (a815b9) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:11 amExactly, in other words, no matter what solution I came up with, you would find a reason to object to it. No, put yourself in my position, wanting to save lives, and tell me what would be a reasonable proposal? As I said, banning machine guns seems to work fine. So we know that laws can help. What else could we do?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:13 amAs I already stated, machine guns (automatic weapons) are not illegal. It’s a mildly annoying paperwork drill and an extra $200 tax last time I checked. Nothing more.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:14 am@George Orwell’s Ghost:Wouldn’t gun control be enforced by the government, especially the sheriff?
Sheriff Israel believed in training and arming Muslims to defend their mosques, which was reported back in 2015. He seemed to think guns in civilian hands protected good people from bad people back then.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:16 am@Tillman:As I said, banning machine guns seems to work fine
But they aren’t banned. See, you don’t even know what the actual laws are.
So we know that laws can help. What else could we do?
Ban school shootings. Actually, we should make all murder illegal. That should take care of it. Laws help.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:18 amStashiu3, depends on the state I think.
But all the more reason! They’re not even technically illegal (at least in some states) and they’re not used to murder as often. Just a little hurdle is preventing it.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:19 amThe truth seems to be that Tillman does not understand guns as well as he implied, so that’s the time he was being dishonest. Good to know.
If the laws on the books had been enforced, Cruz would not have been able to buy any gun at all. His domestic violence encounter using a gun should have been documented and entered into the database. Therefore, no new law would have prevented the mass shooting.
We don’t need new laws. We need less Tillmans (gun-grabbers).
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:20 am“At what point would you say we need more gun control laws? If 20,000 people were murdered a year with firearms? 30,000? Half a million? Where do you draw the line on that?’
Depends on the circumstances of those deaths, now wouldn’t it? And what specific actions might be taken to reduce that number. And how those actions impact people. I mean, instead of banning guns, we could simply put everyone into solitary confinement in prison. That would work. or cut off everyone’s trigger finger. You see, we can’t have a logical conversation about guns until YOU bother to educate yourself. Then we can talk about what measures might be taken that would generate the most benefit at the least cost to society. In other words, Tillman, when you start caring enough about the issue to bother leaning anything about it, then we can start talking.
Also, last I checked, cars kill 1.3 million a year. Do we ban cars? Or do we learn all we can about cars and accidents and try and put measures in place where we can have both cars and fewer accidents?
George Orwell's Ghost (a815b9) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:21 am@Tillman:Exactly, in other words, no matter what solution I came up with
Because everything you come up with is either a) redundant to a law already on the books or b) amounts to huge impact on a constitutional right and millions of law-abiding people because you don’t know what kinds of guns are legal now.
Either you are lying, because you really are a gun grabber, or you are grossly uninformed and operating on feelz.
I’m sorry that the law-abiding among us will not allow you to circumscribe everyone’s rights because you think guns too icky and scary to learn anything about–actually I am not srry.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:21 amThey’re not used to murder at all. Name one time a legal automatic weapon was used in a crime in the last 40 years.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:22 am@GOG:Also, last I checked, cars kill 1.3 million a year.
No, they don’t. 18,680 for first half of 2017, so about 40K per year.
Well above the thresholds Tillman mentioned for guns. He should be at least as hysterical and uninformed about car deaths but for SOME MYSTERIOUS REASON isn’t.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:24 amYou know, the “Submit Comment” button is not a substitute for the MSU (Make Stuff Up) button. You can look for that one if you like.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:25 am@Tillman:they’re not used to murder as often.
Can you just stop lying? Even for half a sentence? They’re not used to murder at all!
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:26 amFine. People are getting to the point where they’re afraid to send their kids to school, go to the movies or a concert. It’s nuts. If you choose to do nothing, voters will do something. And you’re not going to like it.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:30 am@Tillman: voters will do something. And you’re not going to like it.
So you proved it. Feelz!
1) Someone must do something!
2) This is something!
People are getting to the point where they’re afraid to send their kids to school, go to the movies or a concert. It’s nuts
Apply your logic to 9/11. I’ll wait.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:31 am@ Tilman, who wrote (#411, boldface mine):
Unlike you, I’m definitely not interested in trusting someone more knowledgeable than you, or than me, to sort out these details on their own. Who exactly do you have in mind, that you wish to give discretionary power over our fundamental constitutional rights?
Right after the Las Vegas shooting, in comments on several posts here (including this one), I and others discussed bump stocks and whether they can, and should, be deemed by the BATFE to be a “conversion kit” that, under 28 U.S.C. § 5845(b), may be deemed to be a “part [or combination of parts] designed and intended solely and exclusively … for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,” aka a “conversion kit.”
The commenters on those posts include those like me who believe that, consistently with the Second Amendment as interpreted by Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), bump stocks can indeed be regulated (which is not quite the same as banning) as “machineguns” — either by a new statute or, as I argued, just by an internal BATFE re-classification decision under the existing one (as Akins v. United States, No. 08-15640 (11th Cir. Feb. 4, 2009)(per curiam & unpublished), confirmed that the BATFE has power to do). But there were indeed other well-spoken and entirely rational commenters here (such as my friend SPQR) who have serious and good-faith doubts about the constitutionality of that statute (which Heller didn’t decide, but which both Justice Scalia’s majority opinion and Justice Breyer’s dissent presumed to be constitutional for purposes of passing on the restrictions at issue in Heller. I comment those comments, and the many links there, to you for purposes of improving your knowledge both as to gun technology and gun laws; I learned a whole lot from that discussion, and from legal research I did as part of it.
But until you have “the time [and] the inclination” to figure out the details, perhaps you might consider moderating your calls for a ban. And if you do indeed intend to out-source your decision to “someone more knowledgeable than [you are] currently,” I respectfully suggest that you owe us — if you wish to be taken serious — an indication as to whom you have in mind.
You further asked:
I reject the premise of the question, which is that our fundamental constitutional rigths under the Second Amendment (and presumably the rest of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution) depend on last year’s crime statistics. I put the primary responsibility for those crimes, whether they’re 10, 100, 10,000, or 100,000, on the criminals, not the tools they use to commit crimes. Were I to follow your methodology, I’d first ban cars and trucks, which kill tens of thousands of Americans year-in and year-out.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:35 am@Tillman: Except when the topic is grabbing guns, this is what you would agree with:
It seems that what the data shows is that despite decreasing murder rates and decreasing attention (at least in some newspapers), the public still believes crime is rampant. This indicates that the public still hasn’t recovered from the years of the crime surge, or, perhaps more accurately, that the sensationalist coverage of isolated crimes has contributed to the public misperception that crime is increasing.
As with the Gallup polls data, the narrative of violent crime — at least in the popular press — doesn’t have much to do with the crime reality. Crime across the nation is at an all-time low. We need to recognize that and embrace effective policies to keep it even lower. Just as with the case of airplane crashes, the public may see the extraordinary event as representative of the norm when it is not.
Banning guns is something you have always wanted to do, essentially out of emotion, since you have abundantly made clear that you are determined to learn nothing about guns or gun laws.
It is VERY clear that you are seizing on a crisis because you think in a time of fear and reaction people will be more likely to go along with what you propose, which you have made so vague by mixing truths, half-truths, and out-and-out lies that they won’t realize what they are giving up.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:36 amTo Frederick, getting murdered = Feelz. This is not really a feeling type of thing. It’s deadly.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:37 amErrata #438: Ought to have read “I commend those comments ….”
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:40 amDon’t put words in peoples mouths Tillman. Frederick said what he meant.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:42 am@Tillman:To Frederick, getting murdered = Feelz.
Liar. That’s my only response to you now. You have lied repeatedly, been caught, and just go on lying.
It’s deadly.
People are murdered in lots of ways. What you are proposing is large-scale punishment of innocents. You are saying, trade our liberty for security.
Why did Sheriff Israel train Muslims in his county in firearms if he thought it was wrong for people to have guns to protect themselves.
You won’t answer, except to lie again. The machine-gun lie “not used to murder as often” is a huge neon sign declaring your bad faith.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:42 amAck … further errata (#438): I also should have written 26 U.S.C., not 28 U.S.C. But the link is correct.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:43 amHonestly, until you learn more, you come across as a hysterical loon. I’m sure it sounds good to your friends, family, and fellow travelers. It doesn’t fly here.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:43 amIt is not based on feeling and you know it. Stop being ridiculous. You squeal when I call you out on it, but tough.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:45 amIt’s certainly not based on knowledge or facts, what else is there?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:46 amStashiu3 The murder rate from guns are not facts? Sell crazy somewhere else.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:47 amWhich is not what he called you out on. Quit moving the goalposts.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:49 amHow dishonest are you going to insist on being?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:49 amHow dense are you going to be?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:50 amDense enough to continue taking you to school.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:53 amSchool, you say? Exactly how much education do you have Stashy?
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:54 amI graduated High School.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:57 amWell, I did graduate High School. Why is that important? I clearly know more about guns than you. I will continue trying to school you, in both senses. Giving you knowledge, and calling out your BS.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:02 am“No, put yourself in my position…”
Not on your life! There are still laws on teh books in several states against that.
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:03 amI like Patterico’s site here since often, there can be spirited debate without personal attacks. You’re kind of screwing that up. People should be able to respectfully disagree. I think Patterico likes debate, but not so much the personal attacks. He can correct me if that’s incorrect.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:04 amBut are they enforced?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:04 amI just checked PACER, and there is still no ruling on the pending cross-motions for summary judgment on the “Electronic Reset Assist Device” — a bumpstock-like accessory — in Freedom Ordinance Manufacturing, Inc. v. Brandon, Director of BATFE, No. 3:16-cv-243 in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Indiana, Evansville Division. I suspect the judge is waiting to see what, if anything, BATFE does in response to Trump’s public promises to regulate bumpstocks as a matter of executive department rule-making or -interpretation. But until then, I continue to commend both sides’ briefing on these motions, which is quite good. (Just keep in mind that the BATFE is doing a tap-dance around its previous irreconcilable classification decisions, rather than quite admitting that any of them were wrong.)
* FOMI’s brief in support of its motion for summary judgment;
* BATFE’s brief in support of its cross-motion for summary judgment;
* FOMI’s response/reply brief; and
* BATFE’s response/reply brief.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:06 am458… D’OH!… point taken.
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:07 amI did respectfully disagree. Scroll up. I pointed out why I disagreed. You said it was nonsense and I was not worth talking to. Then, you started lying and presenting feelings as facts instead of bringing out your own facts or discussing the facts on the table.
Go back to respectfully disagreeing, which includes consideration of your own opinions, and we’re good. Keep going the way you are, I’ll keep calling you out on it. Calling someone who wants to grab guns based on feelings a gun-grabber is not a personal attack. It’s a definition.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:08 amIn other words, you outright stated that you wanted to grab AR-15’s, but still can’t articulate exactly why those and not others. Your desire is not based on facts because you don’t have any to present. It’s based on your feeling that people shouldn’t have guns you don’t want them to have (since you can’t define AR-15 in any meaningful way either.)
I just recognized it before most of the others.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:11 amSchool is out for a bit. Something to do.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:12 amSo if people are dying from a flood because a dam breaks, I can’t comment about it or say something needs to be done about it until I’m a dam expert. Got it.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:13 amI think it is insane that my oldest daughter is a teacher and cannot carry a gun to protect her students or herself. These gun grabbing commies need to shut the blank up. If my daughter is harmed some dolt is going to regret it.
mg (26b367) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:14 amI always pause a moment before leaving for just this reason.
If you start making assertions about the specifications of the dam without knowing a damn (pun intended) thing about engineering, expect to be called out on it by people who do know engineering. Own what you are (a gun-grabber) and stick with what you know. Be honest about what you don’t. In other words, don’t be so sure of your own knowledge since you can’t seem to differentiate them from your feelings.
Got it?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:19 amI told you what needs to be done. Enforce the laws already in place. Hold people in positions responsible for enforcing those laws accountable when they choose not to or are too incompetent to.
You dismissed that out of hand, without consideration. How is that respectful discussion?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:21 amBut no assertions were made about the specifications of the dam – that is exactly why I was criticized.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:21 amWe should ban that deadly dihydrogen monoxide to prevent all those flood deaths IMHO.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:23 amYou specified AR-15’s. THAT’S why you were criticized. You can’t be honest at all, even with yourself, can you?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:24 amThere’s no middle ground with hoplophobes. They know what they know and what they know is that guns are killing machines. They cannot be reasoned with; they can only be outvoted or voted out.
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:25 amBeldar,
Yep… believe it or not, I’ve heard that it’s even gotten into our AIR!!!! Whatever can we do?!?!?
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:25 amNo Stashiu3, read up further, repeatedly people complained that I had no specific solution. So they wanted me to just shut up basically.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:26 amEssential facts about Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO). Ban it!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:26 amnk,
I was going to make two other completely different replies and backspaced both before submitting. Suffice to say, there are more choices available.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:29 amRacists! For your information, I am two-thirds dihydrogen monoxide! All my family and friends are two-thirds dihydrogen monoxide! Man, you think you know people and then they show their true molecules!
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:30 amI denounce myself.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:31 amBut you don’t have a specific solution, do you? And you won’t discuss what we believe would really work. So maybe shutting up and gaining some knowledge would be an appropriate choice? Or even, heaven forbid, asking questions about our positions that aren’t loaded with your own propaganda?
How about considering what would clearly work? How about learning what you’re talking about somewhere else, then coming back to discuss it rationally rather than emotionally? Recognizing when you’re speaking from emotion and not facts?
Failing all that, people telling you to shut up seems pretty mild for the internet. On this issue, you have descended to troll level and don’t even see it. Sad.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:35 amClearly, we have to ban nk. I’ll call about setting up the internment camp.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:36 amSchool is truly out, I’m running late now. Back later to see if I have to reopen the classroom.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:38 amDam!
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:38 amISWYDT, lol. Well-played.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:40 am474. Don’t forget: Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is the number one greenhouse gas.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:48 amBen burn’s ban is now permanent, due to a bizarre email he sent me this morning which shows that he is taking this comment section far, far too personally. I have no choice but to disengage when someone gets this wound up about comments. I wish Ben burn good luck — far, far away from this blog.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/5/2018 @ 6:29 pmSo if people are dying from a flood because a dam breaks, I can’t comment about it or say something needs to be done about it until I’m a dam expert. Got it.
Tillman (a95660) — 3/5/2018 @ 10:13 am
Pistols are used to kill more people than long guns. Maybe you should educate yourself on the difference between a dam and a levee.
Pinandpuller (d8aedb) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:05 pmBan all assault levees. Do it now. For the children.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:14 pm“On the left: self-serious, self-righteous, angry-faced harridans who want to destroy you for disagreeing with them. They call you names, they shout you down, they riot if you try to speak, they try to get you fired or run you out of business. On the right, we laugh a lot and argue constantly.
Brooks says progressives are winning because they have managed to silence dissenting opinion. In his speech at CPAC, Shapiro declared the right is winning precisely because: “The era of political correctness is over.”
Suppression of opinion, or free discussion? Which way forward do you think Americans will ultimately choose?”
https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/two-op-eds-draw-stark-portrait-left-vs-right/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/5/2018 @ 9:27 pm