Broward County Sheriff DIDN’T Respond to 39 Calls Regarding School Shooter — There Were MORE
It was a talking point issued by the Broward County Sheriff for days: stop saying that we made contact 39 times with the Parkland school shooter. It’s JUST NOT TRUE, they said:
— Broward Sheriff (@browardsheriff) February 25, 2018
The clear implication is that they were called (and responded) only 23 times.
Well, it turns out that they responded to more than 23 calls. They also responded to more than 39. Records show that sheriff’s deputies responded to at least 45 calls about the shooter before the shooting. BuzzFeed (of all places) has the story:
Broward County sheriff’s officials said in a statement late Saturday that they responded only to 23 calls involving suspected Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz or his family over the years, but records obtained by BuzzFeed News show at least 45 responses since 2008.
The number of calls made over the years involving Cruz or his family, according to the call records, are nearly twice the number publicly disclosed by the department.
Remember, as Jennifer Van Laar told us, that the sheriff had specifically disputed Dana Loesch at the CNN town hall when she said there had been 39 visits:
DANA LOESCH: And he had already taken bullets and knives to school. He had already assaulted people. He assaulted his parent. He assaulted other students. Thirty-nine visits. And this was known to the intelligence and law enforcement community. Now I’m not, look, I’m not saying that you can be everywhere at once. But this is what I’m talking about. We have to follow up on these red flags. Doesn’t that not meet the standard?
SHERIFF ISRAEL: You’re absolutely not the litmus test for how law enforcement should follow up. You’re wrong. There weren’t 39 visits. Some of them were GOA [Gone on Arrival], some of them called from other states…
I guess Sheriff Israel will try to parse language: “call” vs. “response” vs. “visit.” Is his “defense” going to be that they got 45 calls but made contact with him in just slightly over half of those calls? Is that going to be his position — that almost half the time they got calls, they just never followed up to make contact? Hopefully it is easy to see that such a “defense” is only a further indictment of the failures here — not to mention a game of numbers-playing that is anything but forthright and honest with the public.
The sheriff could do with a less haughty attitude and a little more openness.
He might also consider offering his resignation.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
He comes in claiming to be a lion, make him go out like a lamb.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:48 pmThis was back when the bureau had a laser focus:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/25/sheriff-scott-israel-past-handling-mass-shooting/?utm_source=site-share
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:51 pmAnd the lamb lies down on
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:52 pmBroadwayDutyI am dismayed that you go to clickbait when pressing matters of greater magnitude bound. You are Gang Prosecutor for Shabbats sake ! And to answer your first question, Yes! I am calling you out for half measures which auger bought but traffic..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:55 pmBeggars cannot be choosy but an edit button would be nice.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:57 pmThis was my congressman for 5 years
http://freebeacon.com/politics/deutch-doesnt-say-if-he-agrees-sheriff-has-provided-amazing-leadership-to-broward-county
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:59 pmThe respected-by-our-host-Jake Tapper grilled Israel in an extended Q&A on CNN’s SOTU Sunday and the sheriff didn’t come off looking any better.
Neither does Sheriff Israel’s peculiar association with GOP dirty trickster Roger Stone– who helped get the sheriff elected. Such is the stink of local Florida politics.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-roger-stone-sheriff-israel-20140809-story.html
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/25/2018 @ 3:01 pmThe school district and the police were involved in a program to severely limit the number of arrests (especially of minority miscreants) in Parkland, since an arrest record hinders prospects for future success. Obama was all in favor of the program and spoke highly of it.
Rather than make arrests, the police were directed to refer youthful law breakers for community based interventions. No arrest – no record.
That’s why so many notifications to the police about the dangers Cruz so clearly represented went unheeded: the police were instructed to ignore complaints against local high school students except in cases of significant physical injury.
ropelight (2715b3) — 2/25/2018 @ 3:15 pmASPCA has a “thing” for Roger Stone…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/25/2018 @ 3:23 pmDeutch wasn’t quite so mouthy today…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/25/2018 @ 3:24 pmYes Hes mostly plunge:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 3:48 pmhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/923856/Jeremy-Corbyn-spy-Labour-Left-Liam-Fox-Cold-War-Soviet-Union-Andrew-Marr-show?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
@9.=Haiku!= Gesundheit!
Rogering the sheriff merits a mulligan, eh Colonel; the Perkins Axiom.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/25/2018 @ 4:32 pmFlorida House Speaker Corcoran calls on Gov Scott to fire Israel:
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/967869470105509888
This entire fiasco is just the tip of the iceberg. There were failures by govt on so many levels. It is not reassuring moving forward.
Lenny (5ea732) — 2/25/2018 @ 4:35 pmShould say “suspend” instead of “fire”. Only suspend? This man couldn’t lead a conga line.
Lenny (5ea732) — 2/25/2018 @ 4:38 pmhttps://www.axios.com/exclusive-trump-privately-talks-up-executing-all-big-drug-dealers-1519595170-402cc386-8729-4684-a7ef-a5bf31876afa.html
Sukarno, Suharto tyrants left or right all the same. Welcome to the new boss, same as the old.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/25/2018 @ 4:38 pmFlorida leg is an undependable beast lenny
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 4:42 pm“I guess Sheriff Israel will try to parse language: “call” vs. “response” vs. “visit.” Is his “defense” going to be that they got 45 calls but made contact with him in just slightly over half of those calls? Is that going to be his position — that almost half the time they got calls, they just never followed up to make contact? Hopefully it is easy to see that such a “defense” is only a further indictment of the failures here — not to mention a game of numbers-playing that is anything but forthright and honest with the public.”
Sherriff Israel is a terrible person who should commit seppuku on air if he had any dignity, but he’s fundamentally a reflection of his voters and their local government.
Specifically, this is just what happens when so many New York stockbrokers retire to a state they never grew up in and elect a man who plays the same numbers games without regard to the social costs that they did every day. Odd stuff happening at school? THE NUMBERS ARE UP! Obvious doctoring of crime reporting to minimize statistics that make Democrats look bad? LOOK, I FOLLOWED ALL THE PROCEDURES, THEY WERE BEST PRACTICES IN THE REGION! Your little toady with a badge who was only there to push dirty paper and alter gets faced with an actual police situation that calles for actual personal courage? NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY, OBVIOUSLY IT’S THE NRA!
Tellurian (b1aac3) — 2/25/2018 @ 5:20 pmNot to mix tragedy and utter negligence with comedy and bad comedy at that, but Sheriff Israel is the peter principle outcome of Captain Mauser and Captain Harris.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/25/2018 @ 5:26 pmAgain: Israel will resign by month’s end.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/25/2018 @ 5:37 pmOoops. I mean “retire.”
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/25/2018 @ 5:37 pmI don’t know about Seppuku – rather than have some genuine samurai flown in, they’d probably ask his mosque buddies to do it…
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/25/2018 @ 5:46 pmhttps://fablesofaesop.com/the-ass-in-the-lions-skin.html
nk (dbc370) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:25 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:28 pmLike most of you, I’m sure, I’ve given a lot more thought to this than I normally would because it raises the specter of gun confiscation which is one of the several things that would actually incite me to revolution. I agree with what you said there, Tellurian except I disagree that Israel is a “reflection of his voters and their local government”. I believe he and the local government consciously hid the phony rules and such from the voters and ran on the resultant “lowered crime rate” they faked. IOW, he’s also guilty of voter fraud in that he ran on a big F’in lie that he and his leftist money grubbing cohort created.
The daily caller link, shows his interest is to prepare and do nothing, recAll the airport shooter was one man, as was this incident.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:30 pmHe was re-elected last year for a four year term. I seem to remember voting for his opponent–whose name I didn’t remember until Google told me–but simply on the principle of voting against incumbents, not for any particular malfeasance.
Israel’s association with Stone makes more sense if you know he ran as a Republican the first time he was elected.
And me being a Broward County taxpayer I wonder on whose dime he flew up to that CNN event, and how he found the time, seeing he ought to be supervising the investigation/cover-up of a fairly major event.
Kishnevi (51ad16) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:31 pmHoagie, in this case Tellurian is correct. Just remember Debbie Wasserman represents a sizeable chunk of Broward County, and you will understand.
Kishnevi (51ad16) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:35 pmOh yes for a time clay Shaw represented a portion, but that hack pat Murphy does. Rooney who is retiring held the northern corner.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:38 pm@26 Kishnevi, I read you. I tried to give the benefit to the voters that they were deliberately fooled. Once you threw Wasserman into the conversation they became coconspirators. Thanks for enlightening me.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:46 pmI am dismayed that you go to clickbait when pressing matters of greater magnitude bound. You are Gang Prosecutor for Shabbats sake ! And to answer your first question, Yes! I am calling you out for half measures which auger bought but traffic..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/25/2018 @ 2:55 pm
Why did you take the bait, Ill Grillo?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/25/2018 @ 6:47 pmThe NRA was probably intercepting the calls.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/25/2018 @ 7:21 pmDolore
Uh oh
Andaro’
Whoa oh oh oh oh
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/25/2018 @ 7:22 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/967180482998751232
narciso (d1f714) — 2/25/2018 @ 7:25 pmHe took the bait and checked in to the rip lip lodge!
mg (29dc60) — 2/25/2018 @ 8:05 pmKevin M:
Oops, you mean retire early with full pension just before the courts and discipline bodies act.
Fred Z (05d938) — 2/25/2018 @ 8:26 pmSteven Metz
@steven_metz
I’m a Second Amendment fundamentalist: I believe everyone who is part of a well regulated militia has a constitutional right to own and bear a flintlock rifle, musket, or pistol.
__
Randy Barnett
@RandyEBarnett
Now do the Freedom of the Press.
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Steven Kutz
@sjkz
Now do the 4th Amd – your papers are private, but your digital records are subject to govt seizure and review at any time, for any reason. Fun game to play.
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Dennis Peek
harkin (8256c3) — 2/25/2018 @ 8:57 pm@DennisP220
Replying to @steven_metz
Why did you not write this on parchment with a quill pen and dispatch it by a post rider?
So cannon, rockets and punt guns as well, eh Steven? And I can wear a saber when I go see my congressman?
Pinandpuller (5eef23) — 2/26/2018 @ 12:28 amI think the answer is tragicAlly yes:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/02/26/was_cowardly_fla_deputy_told_to_wait_for_backup_136368.html
narciso (e75429) — 2/26/2018 @ 6:52 ami can’t believe we’re still talking about this how bout everybody drink em up a frosty mug of ob-la-di
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/26/2018 @ 7:25 amPlease look at the 2016 review of a self-defense product sold on Amazon and consider the advantages, and problems, of having these available to adults in our classrooms.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RXG0TQ8WO9HDG/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01DBR53FU
pouncer (915d55) — 2/26/2018 @ 9:38 amWhy did you take the bait, Ill Grillo?
That barbed hook in your cheek made me empathetic.
Ben burn (a5ae42) — 2/26/2018 @ 9:41 am39, that might help on a lone assailant but you best hope their is a critical mass of brave and big in the classroom and within shouting distance that are not too chicken-spit to subdue and bind.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/26/2018 @ 9:50 amWhat species of Libertarian is this a$$hole?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter-thiel-got-his-revenge-on-gawker-he-may-yet-regret-it
Ben burn (a5ae42) — 2/26/2018 @ 9:51 amBack at the ranch:
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/375557-3-questions-inspector-general-must-answer-regarding-investigation-of-fbi?amp&__twitter_impression=true
narciso (d1f714) — 2/26/2018 @ 10:34 amhttps://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/your_feelings_have_nothing_to_do_with_the_second_amendment.html
narciso (d1f714) — 2/26/2018 @ 10:41 amOne might say this counts for both threads
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/25/new-york-dreamer-arrested-threatened-school-shooting
narciso (d1f714) — 2/26/2018 @ 10:53 amIn 2013, Scot Petersen and anotehr person were named PArkland employees of the year.
https://www.cityofparkland.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1178
That was on grounds of handling issues with tact and judgment.
He later on got a statewide award and Broward County got something from the Obama Administration in 2016.
Scot Petersen now claims he thought the shooter was outside the school.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/26/2018 @ 1:59 pmAmerican Spelunker goes to lengths to avoid a discussion about why the citizenry needs ar15 for defense.
Ben burn (39368b) — 2/26/2018 @ 2:10 pm…North Hollywood shoot out showed le as woefully outgunned. Now, most of us are caught in that middle ground of helpless delendency…relying on cops more concerned with doughnuts.
Dependency….ffs.
Ben burn (39368b) — 2/26/2018 @ 2:10 pmRe: Comment at #8.
It was called the PROMISE Program. Too many arrests and suspensions of minority students (largely male) compared to Whites and Asians didn’t fit the preferred narrative (a disproportionate inclination to crime and violence by either Blacks, Muslims, or latinos, specially illegal alien latinos, must unquestionably be defined as clear unequivocal evidence of racial bias, otherwise a simple open-eyed examination of one blazingly obvious competing conclusion might reveal the inconvenient truth that may not speak its name.)
Too many arrests and suspensions just isn’t politically correct, something had to be done. Enter the PROMISE Program: dont arrest or suspend minorities, look the other way. Problem solved.
So, with the political and financial backing of the Obama Administration, school officials, and the County Sheriff’s office initated a program to make sure young crooks, especially repeat offenders, would get away with their crimes: in many ways it was a license to steal.
The arrest and suspension numbers would quickly show dramatic improvement. School officials and the Sheriff could honor each other with glowing newspaper accounts of their apparent achievements, and high school crooks and thugs would quickly realize that so long as they stayed in school the cops wouldn’t be a deterrent to their misbehaviour. It was a big win, win, win – if you don’t count the victims.
ropelight (61cfe4) — 2/26/2018 @ 2:57 pmIts striking what is left out:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RMConservative/status/968269917073149952?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 2/26/2018 @ 4:37 pmOdd how the coral springs officers were not so inhibited:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/26/2018 @ 4:41 pmhttp://therightscoop.com/broward-deputy-said-he-was-not-a-coward-explains-why-he-was-hiding-outside
If we didn’t know before that Sheriff Israel was a serial liar we know now. And we know the FBI really couldn’t find Mr Cruz last September. Because they didn’t look for him.
Thud Muffle (5a4596) — 2/26/2018 @ 4:48 pmIt’s fault of many people but I hate his haughty attitude.
net worth (a70b4b) — 2/27/2018 @ 1:13 amEverything is choreographed
http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/60429?__twitter_impression=true
narciso (d1f714) — 2/27/2018 @ 6:36 amUnderreporting right-wringers with bombs and sh’t.
Ironically, while Islamist and extreme rightwing ideologies may appear to be at opposing ends of the argument it is evident that they both have a great deal in common,” he said.
Rowley said both groups have a common goal of “increasing tensions and divisions in communities”. He said both reach into communities through sophisticated propaganda, as well as create intolerance and isolation by exploiting grievances. He added both also reinforce a sense of isolation by generating distrust of the state and offer “warped parallel alternatives” that undermine values of tolerance and diversity
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/26/four-far-right-plots-thwarted-last-year-says-counter-terrorism-chief-mark-rowley
Ben burn (39368b) — 2/27/2018 @ 7:17 amThrough Sunday in the 15 Texas counties with the most registered voters, 135,070 people had voted in the Republican primary and 151,236 in the Democratic. Compared to the first six days of early voting in 2014, Democratic turnout increased 69 percent, while Republicans saw a 20 percent increase.
The Democrats even surpassed their early voting totals from the 2016 primary — a presidential election year.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/02/26/texas-democrats-early-voting-totals-shock-every-conservative-core-abbott-email-says
Ben burn (39368b) — 2/27/2018 @ 7:31 amA sinister pattern has come into focus. Nearly every time some apparently inexplicable tragedy occurs, and/or is rendered exponentially worse by the actions (or inactions) of official agencies and authorities, we eventually come to uncover the Obama Administration’s fingerprints concealed under a tangled web of official obfuscation, outright media deceit and misdirection, and the enivetable well-coordinated Democrat Party campaign to prevent, delay, obstruct, and denounce Congressional oversight investigations – complete with vicious organized smear campaigns, against leading investigators and any potentiality damaging witness, taken verbatim straight out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
ropelight (af28c5) — 2/27/2018 @ 8:30 amDems tend to shoot their wad in early voting due to paranoia. The key exception was how the younger black voters came to Obama’s rescue in actual Nov. 2012 election day turnout (older, mobility-challenged black voters were very dilligent to go to early voting, which led many observers to fear that the black vote had been maximized at too early a date, and that Romney would ride a wave of election day turnout). One also wonders if there’s a movement afoot by otherwise R primary voters to stick the D’s with the weirdo Valdez at the top of the ticket.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/27/2018 @ 8:37 amRopelight;
Whattabout Chappiquiddick?
Ben burn (39368b) — 2/27/2018 @ 8:39 amYou really don’t need to type every tediously mundane thought that crosses what passes for a mind, beenburned. Your desperate cries for attention gain no traction around here, boy.
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 2/27/2018 @ 8:56 amPraise from Kernel Klink!
I know nuffing
Ben burn (39368b) — 2/27/2018 @ 8:59 amIsn’t amusing how sarah rumpf, dismisses what others have spent five years researching on, and now like Athena rising from Zeus’s head, says aha,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/27/2018 @ 9:00 amExhibit 2,987,013…
Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 2/27/2018 @ 9:00 amHe can’t be less haughty. He’s a narcissist.
SarahW (3164f0) — 2/27/2018 @ 10:49 am49. ropelight (61cfe4) — 2/26/2018 @ 2:57 pm
But they didn’t or couldn;t discriminate racially. What they actually did was limit arrests (or a police record) for anyone.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:18 amFrom the South Florida Sun Sentinal / August 16, 2014, 6:14 PM
Broward sheriff, ‘dirty trickster’ forge unlikely tie
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:26 amTheer’s more.
This is all interesting.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:29 amFrom Reason.com:
When Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel Was Accused of Corruption, He Responded: ‘Lions Don’t Care About the Opinions of Sheep’
It quotes the Sun Sentinel:
The sheriff responded to the allegations (that he’d built apolicitical machine?) by saying:
“What have I done differently than Don Shula or Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Gandhi?”
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:40 amWhat about all those very expensive Shovel Ready Jobs that actually funneled billions in taxpayer’s cash to payback Obama’s financial contributors under the guise of environmental friendly technology, like Solendra which quickly went belly up right after the checks cleared.
Or, Fast ‘nd Furious, which revealed that Obama and then Attorney General, Eric Holder, SecState Hillary Clinton, The DoJ and FBI were allowing hundreds of ‘assault weapons’ to be sold in the US , against existing US law, to known career crooks and arms traffickers in the full expectation those arms would ‘walk’ across our Southern border and be used by Drug Cartel thugs to commit heinous crimes in Mexico and America and that later those very guns would be tracked back to US origns.
And, the plan for all this phony (and grossly illegal) manufactured evidence was for the purpose of convincing the American public (and giving Obama cause to act) that US gun laws were demonstrably so lax that strong and immediate presidential action was imperative to protect the innocent in both nations.
Thus would Obama conveniently have ’cause’ to alter the US Constitution to limit the 2nd amendment rights of Americans without all the fuss and bother of an officially stipulated, but dangerously years long and drawn out, process involving 3/4ths of state legislatures and the contrary convictions of the great majority of recalcitrant citizens busy bitterly clinging to their guns and bibles.
Or, Benghazi. Or, the Dirty Dossier. Or Hillary selling 20% of US Uranium to the Ruaaians. All this and so much more. The shoe fits.
ropelight (af28c5) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:43 amhttp://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/375579-when-did-scott-israel-know-the-truth-about-his-cowardly-deputy
He probably didn’t want toi fire him, but in the end, it could not be covered up, and he had to launch an investigatin and suspend him.
The sheriff claimed Scot Peterson had “resigned” but actually he retired.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:48 amhttps://www.local10.com/news/bob-norman/sheriff-scott-israel-accused-of-misusing-office-for-political-campaign
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/27/2018 @ 11:56 amBroward county is presently crowing about catchin’ a kid making dire threats in a gaming forum (called in by a tipster, pinpointing his location, busting and and discovering a pipe bomb and “other weapons.”
Since they seem to want very much to be patted on the back for this, well, with all eyes on you at the moment, hey guys, good going doing your actual jobs.
Except now I am so cynical, and skeptical, (as BC seems to be some kind of presently very desperate and worried center of the universe for DNC machinations) I wouldn’t even be surprised if they made it all up. If the kid remains anonymous, hidden behind juvenile court protections for all time, I will feel bad for falling into the pit, but I won’t believe its real.
SarahW (3164f0) — 2/27/2018 @ 3:12 pmThis is today’s catch: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/pompano-beach/fl-sb-pompano-teen-20180227-story.html
SarahW (3164f0) — 2/27/2018 @ 3:13 pm@66/67. No kidding, Sammy.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/27/2018 @ 3:14 pm66. 67. 74.
All of thsi still does not get into what, if anything, was wrong with the policing, and with the whole approach of Broward County, which is probbly also very interesting.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/28/2018 @ 12:41 pmSammy, look into the NYC Broken Windows program. Compare the underlying conceptional framework with the concepts behind Broward’s PROMISE Program.
ropelight (072508) — 3/1/2018 @ 6:55 amThe point is to be proactive Sammy like open windows that guiliani implementented in new york, like the demographic division re terrorism
narciso (d1f714) — 3/1/2018 @ 6:58 am