Anonymous Sources: Hillary, DNC Paid for Infamous Trump Dossier
The #FAKENEWSBEZOSPOST reports:
The Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund research that resulted in a now-famous dossier containing allegations about President Trump’s connections to Russia and possible coordination between his campaign and the Kremlin, people familiar with the matter said.
Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.
After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
If you are someone who often cautions against crediting stories that hurt Trump and are based on anonymous sources, I recommend that you ignore all qualms and triumphantly accept this story as 100% true. This time anonymous sources are credible because insert your rationale here.
Whether true or not, the story is interesting and will no doubt lead to much discussion.
UPDATE: This line is also worth discussion:
Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS’s research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.
Hmmmmm.
[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]
More CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome). — Mike K
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/24/2017 @ 7:45 pmOnce again our host cites a story from a liberal rag. Here is a long block quote from Ace. — Colonel Haiku
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/24/2017 @ 7:46 pmdrivel drivel I love Trump drivel drivel — happyfeet
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/24/2017 @ 7:47 pmLBJ and Lee Atwater, wherever they are, must be shaking their heads at the feebleness.
nk (dbc370) — 10/24/2017 @ 7:50 pmApropos of nothing while I was looking up the ware spy ring, I came across a large tract of Whitaker chambers testimony, he noted that they weren’t actually stealing info, but mire seeded in got for certain purposes and he went down the list, alger hiss was an oversight, but harry Dexter white and Lawrence duggan did come up in the conversation.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/24/2017 @ 7:53 pmIf true, as big an indictment of the media as it is the Obama admin.
No wonder the Fusion folks took the fifth…..
And what’s with no name-calling? Oh yeah, it’s not an anti-Trump post.
The first three comments make up for it though, so pure.
harkin (cf32fb) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:04 pmI knew you could do it!
it should be interesting to see where ALL of this leads.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:05 pmHaberman seems ready to toss the plate of rizzotto, at someone. But its as well sources as the Seychelles meeting by prince, or the comey memo, if we say it often enough like invoking bloody Mary.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:07 pmThere’s actually a bit more than simply anonymous quotes, although “people familiar with the matter” is about as blind as you can be.
Later in the article it states:
So its not purported to simply be an anonymous source who says “I know who paid Fusion GPS”, its based on a law firm letter to Fusion GPS releasing them from any privilege to withhold the identity of the client.
But, IMO, that authorization could only come from the actual client of Perkins Coie, not the law firm.
And the clients would have been the Clinton Campaign and the DNC.
So Perkins Coie had to be authorized by the Clinton Campaign and the DNC to do what it did.
This is an acknowledgement that stonewalling on the origins of the dossier was not going to work in the long run, and they might as well get it out and over with, and move on.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:18 pmThis should be interesting, the posts that is.
AZ Bob (f60c80) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:21 pmI wonder if Andrew C. McCarthy still thinks there might be something to some of the dossier’s allegations.
After all, the fact that info is obtained as part of partisan oppo research does not automatically make all the info false.
Will be interesting to get his reaction. I don’t see one under his name at NRO yet.
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:25 pmAnd Tom Perez at the DNC basically confirms the report by saying “Current leadership at the DNC was not responsible”.
Hangs it around Debbie W-S neck.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:30 pmHe still pat Fitzgerald, who as a name partner in skadden, would be part of the anti magnet sax key alliance. Is an honorable man, maybe he meant it like mark anthon
narciso (d1f714) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:34 pm@Patterico:does not automatically make all the info false.
Mixing true with false information is a pretty standard tactic of deception; the false information makes the true information look worse than it is, and the true information makes the false information look more true.
If liars always told the exact opposite of the truth lies would be pretty easy to spot, and not very effective. They always mix false and true. Doesn’t make them not liars, and doesn’t mean they are not trying to deceive.
Frederick (cd593c) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:34 pmIf the WaPo has a story that helps Trump, you had better believe they did EVERYTHING possible to debunk it first.
Kevin M (752a26) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:39 pmWhat exactly wee the truth, the rosneft deal went to a consortium headed by mark riches old firm glencore, obvious Cohen was never in plague, did manafort do business in the Ukraine, that’s whatvhe was known fir, but deruspasha was very near beer.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:41 pmAfter all, the fact that info is obtained as part of partisan oppo research does not automatically make all the info false.
No, but things are included more for their salaciousness than their veracity.
Kevin M (752a26) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:43 pmNobody has to actually read the dossier to know it’s full of mud to sling.
Kevin M (752a26) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:45 pmFeeble. All everybody remembers is the [rhymes with door] pee-pee, and nobody believes it. The only reason to think that it might actually be true, is that Trump denied it rationally and coherently once and then dropped it. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:47 pmR.I.P. Paul J. Weitz – Skylab and space shuttle astronaut.
Ad Astra.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:47 pmOne needn’t be a hypocrite or even prefer Trump to Hillary to say that this anonymously sourced article is more credible because it’s damaging to Hillary, helpful to Trump, and in the Washington Post, which despises Trump. Likewise, an anonymously sourced article damaging to Republicans is more credible in National Review than in any liberal source.
David Pittelli (c51465) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:52 pmWapo/Bezos better have gotten some key concessions on Amazon-targeted regulation.
urbanleftbehind (b843ef) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:59 pmUPDATE: This line is also worth discussion:
Hmmmmm.
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/24/2017 @ 9:28 pmand when the court rules the Fusion GPS bank records released to the investigating committees we’ll likely learn who that is.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/24/2017 @ 9:38 pmWe also don’t know at what point Fusion GPS paid Steele for his dossier. It’s unclear whether it was before or after the Clinton/DNC linked up with Fusion GPS on the Trump oppo effort. The bank records should shed some light on that I would think.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/24/2017 @ 9:48 pm23 — it has been reported previously that the GOP “client” was not necessarily a GOP member or campaign, but rather someone who has contributed to GOP causes in the past.
It was also reported several months ago that it was Jeb Bush’s campaign — way back when he was the presumptive front-runner, had the GOP establishment beginning to coalesce behind him, and had tens of millions to spend — was the GOP client that hired Fusion GPS. Mike Murphy ran his SuperPac, and Murphy had no shortage of contacts in Washington media that might have led him to former WSJ writer Glenn Simpson.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/24/2017 @ 9:53 pmI think that the modified limited hangout like when they conflated wide receiver with fast and furious,,when Lois learner prespun the IRS horrors red queen and her yoga tapes.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/24/2017 @ 9:58 pm23. “Or to put it differently, Democrats agreed to fund continued research into Russia possibly owning Donald Trump after Republicans decided they didn’t care anymore.” – TPM
Tillman (a95660) — 10/24/2017 @ 10:52 pmhttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-big-wapo-story-why-everyone-needs-to-thank-marc-elias
I am distressed to see the Trump Administration withhold information about Obama and Clinton’s actions during Benghazi. I accept that there are national security issues involved, but at this point I suspect Russia knows what’s in these emails. Why shouldn’t Americans know, too?
DRJ (0280d9) — 10/24/2017 @ 11:13 pmif there were anything to this dossier the republican trash what sponsored it would proudly take credit
not remain in hiding like a coward (peekaboo John McCain i see you)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/24/2017 @ 11:43 pmBut the State Department said it made a mistake by not originally marking the emails as classified.
so it’s corrupt slovenly Rexy Tillerboob’s sleazy State Department what’s blocking access to the Benghazi information
you think he’s named his man-boobs or does he just call them “the boys”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/24/2017 @ 11:46 pmHeather Lind got Taylor Swift-boated by George H W Bush?
Pinandpuller (5ba32d) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:22 amHow about some sorbet?
La Campanella
Pinandpuller (5ba32d) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:29 amugh he’s so nasty
bushes have huge entitlement issues especially the trashy self-styled “war hero” ones like pappy bush
but honestly this is a known issue and has been for some time
if Heather parked her ass where pappy could grab it, well, what did she think was gonna happen?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:30 ambookmarked the piano chick
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:34 amTina S is only 17 Mr President, hands off
Moonlight Sonata Third Movement
Pinandpuller (5ba32d) — 10/25/2017 @ 2:30 amMy name is Paul, and I’d like to talk to you about Sympathetic Resonance
Pinandpuller (5ba32d) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:08 amIs Patterico trying to become the host of a new Comedy Central Daily Show style show?
Laugh track
Woooooooo!
*Clap clap clap*
Dejectedhead (691738) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:53 amUnknown Republican? Didn’t McCain have the Dossier originally?
jcurtis (5f5c4f) — 10/25/2017 @ 5:57 amEveryone knew what Donald Trump is: he’s an adulterer, a cheat, a manipulator, and a liar. The Democrats already had the “grab ’em by the pussy” tape, and were just waiting for the right moment to use it. Why, then, would an honest campaign pay for a Russian dossier of dirt on Mr Trump? What more was there to know about him that wasn’t already out there?
The Dana asking the obvious question (0c82d7) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:09 amOn the other hand… http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/25/find-democrats-really-care-russian-interference/#.WfB5bIjpfnY.twitter
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:14 amI saw that story, too, Pinandpuller. The wannabe Bond girl has now deleted her accusation off her Instagram account. A 93-year old man, in a wheelchair, in full view of dozens of people, with his wife standing right there, sexually harassed her. Honey, if this is the best sexual harassment you can get, you’ve got problems.
I knew this was going to happen with the #Metoo campaign. Heck, even Claire McCaskill said she was sexually harassed. Can you believe it? Claire McCaskill.
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:17 amAnd Libya begat the latest round of bloodletting
http://taskandpurpose.com/lindsey-graham-niger-troops/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tp-today&utm_content=button
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:37 amWhat seems to be true now, based on this report, is that once the Democrats started paying Fusion GPS’ freight the dirt-digging stopped being about things Trump actually may have done and started being about things they could make the Democrat media report about Trump.
True ‘dat…
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:42 amDNC Head Denies Involvement In Trump-Russia Dossier, But There’s One Thing He’s Not Saying.
DWS should look twice before crossing. The bus is coming…
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:55 amTrump has only submitted 71 names for State Department positions, and only 41 have been confirmed. At this point in Bush’s first term, he had nominated 140 to State and confirmed 105 — double what Trump has done. And Bush had to deal with 9/11, too.
So Trump has done half of what Bush did at this point in his first term, and the people who are deciding what should be released are probably Obama appointees.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:56 amSo why are barely half of nominees confirmed drj recall it took till after September 11th to get the hold on negroponte released, this was because the dems had long memories about the contrast.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:00 amSo to sum up, we have been chasing this girnisch dossier, which pretending not to see this brushfire in resource rich west Africa, while Islamic state was being routed not with the pitiful band that we spent 500 million, but the peshmergas that tillerson and mcmaster betrayed, to the Iranian proxies, the miniaturized warheads from Russian or Ukrainian boosters that ended up in the
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:08 amaddendum.
Kill the Messenger
I don’t give a carp who paid for it I just want everything out in the open.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:10 amI don’t know if this is what’s happening but how do you cut a bloated politicized bureaucracy? Do you replace the political appointees and try to manage the resistors and burrowed-in holdovers or do you let the resistors expose themselves as acting fill-ins for the vacant political appointees? A former multinational CEO like Tillerson might do something like the latter because it leaves the resisting civil servants no where to hide and without having to fight the civil service bureaucracy arguing for their reinstatement. OTOH they may just be incompetent and inexperienced in picking from the plum book.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:14 amYou tell me. Trump is a Republican and the GOP controls the Senate. The Democrats can’t filibuster appointments. Maybe Trump should stop alienating the Republicans in the Senate since he needs Senators to be an effective President … unless he wants to fight instead of govern.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:17 amThe problem is tillerson and peterlin, are forming a bottleneck blocking trumps
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:19 amappointees, you might think this a good thing, but it wasnt what was voted for.
So the peshmergha don’t haves any allies anywhere in the bureaucracy, more business as usual, similar to the (Edgar) montagnards that aided moh winner Gary rose, who were almost entirely wiped ouy
Uranium? No, Steel(e).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/under-trump-made-in-america-is-losing-out-to-russian-steel
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:20 amIn addition, my guess is that Trump is unhappy with some things Tillerson has done as Secretary of State, and so Trump is not working with Tillerson well. Trump may be using his veto power to keep Tillerson from bringing in people at State that aren’t sufficiently full of Trump fever. If so, he’s cutting off his nose to spite his face.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:20 amWho is Trump hurting, narciso, Tillerson or his own Administration? Hint: It’s not Tillerson.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:21 amAnd maybe members of Congress should slow on lining their own pockets and nest feathering and do what they were elected to do.
They ALL – Trump included – need to put their big-boy pants on and get ‘er done!
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:23 amhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/wapo-dnc-clinton-campaign-financed-infamous-trump-dossier
Fusion GPS’s work researching Trump began during the Republican presidential primaries when an unidentified GOP donor reportedly hired the firm to dig into Trump’s background. The Republicans who were involved in the early stages of Fusion’s efforts have not yet been identified. Fusion GPS did not start off looking at Trump’s Russia ties, but quickly realized that those relationships would be a fruitful place to start, WaPo reported.
Romney?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:26 amBack in the Reagan administration, the point person on Latin America, was Thomas endears one of kissingers men, this made aid to antisoviet forces rather difficult, this was when the soviet’s had a large footprint in the region. On the western European front, you had Richard Burt a detentist new York times reporter who was against Perle and wolfowitz who wanted to challenge the bear there, of course the fmr and nitze were the ones who has the ear of the likes of strobe talbott (who got his big break because of a kgb fixer victor Louise, and Robert scheer this wee also the era when panetta was on the other side with the ups fellow travelers.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:29 amThe grifter is their job, as they understand it, coronello, so we have to pretend that both razorback were not in the banya with putin, who is a much bigger player to the revolutionary guard.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:32 amWhen you’ve lost CNN, well… http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/obama-era-uranium-deal/index.html
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:34 amNow an interesting tidbit, flake grew up in Namibia which along with south Africa, is a major source of what resource, uranium, what the late CEO of trans logistics, Rodney fisk was an expert
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:36 amThose same GOO Senators got Gorsuch confirmed without help from Trump. He nominated Gorsuch but they confirmed him. If that was enough to justify electing Trump, it should be enough to give them some credit.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:39 amThe record of shipments from said if rm, suddenly disappeared. Hencevthe investigation into tenez went no further than mikerin. And Mueller and weissman and rosrnstein moved on, to find another pigeon.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:40 amRIP – Fats Domino
harkin (10a18c) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:43 amWe want to. Give galapagos Mitch for following through on one nominee, that’s fine, how about the other 39?
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:44 amAnd maybe members of Congress should slow on lining their own pockets and nest feathering and do what they were elected to do.
Yup. Senators will spend maybe one hour a day doing what Article I says they’re supposed to do. It’s well documented, that they spend four hours a day fundraising — for their re-election or for their party (I just found out that committee memberships are parceled out in accordance with how much money they raise for or give to their party). Add constituent service, photo-ops, press interviews, speechifying to an empty chamber, long lunches, five o’clock cocktails, molesting the interns ….
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:53 amTrue the r talosian was involved in the fitting of police departments with comfy chairs. During his tenure as head of the civil rights division.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:55 am“We’ve had these document requests with the administration, the FBI in particular, for a long time, and they’ve been stonewalling,” Ryan said in an interview with Reuters. “The FBI and the Justice Department need to give Congress the documents it has been requesting, and they need to do so immediately.”
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:57 amAnd they raise thevmoney to spend money with the state run media, the rizzotto press, we the chamber of commerce is not putting bills in their (whatever)
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:57 am“Fusion resisted Nunes’ subpoenas partly on the grounds that he had “recused” himself from the investigation (Nunes says he never did) and that therefore the subpoenas were not valid. Other lawmakers believe Nunes’ weakness is also part of the FBI’s calculation in resisting a dossier-related subpoena from the House committee.
Nunes subpoenaed the FBI for information on the dossier on August 24. So far the bureau has not provided any information.
That is why Ryan’s support is critical. For a House committee’s subpoena to have maximum effect, it must have the power of the House of Representatives, in the person of the Speaker of the House, behind it.
Which is what Ryan did Wednesday morning. “We’ve had these document requests with the administration, the FBI in particular, for a long time, and they’ve been stonewalling,” Ryan said in an interview with Reuters. “The FBI and the Justice Department need to give Congress the documents it has been requesting, and they need to do so immediately.””
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-speaker-ryan-backs-house-subpoena-on-trump-dossier-slams-fbi-stonewalling/article/2638560
H/t Instapundit
harkin (cf32fb) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:57 amPerhaps the 17th Amendment should be repealed.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:59 amDOJ demands Twitter account info following discussion of an agent
Maybe the FBI could spend their time better than to abuse their power chasing online chatter(ers) they don’t like.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:03 amSo like lundbergs consultants asked ‘s ‘what is it you do here’
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:04 amPerhaps the 17th Amendment should be repealed.
You just revealed one of my fantasies, Hoagie. A Constitutional Amendment that repeals the 17th Amendment; allows States to select their Senators as they may provide by law; and further allows the States to recall both Senators and Representatives and replace them likewise as they may provide by law.
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:06 amI know, I know. I’ve had better fantasies. But I’m not nineteen anymore.
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:07 amSo one would get better senators than Durbin or Duckworth or worse.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:09 amGood by me. I’m tired of Rhode Island having having their finger on the scale in the Senate. Two for them is two much and California should have 50 by itself.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:11 amMcCain and Flake would have been recalled already, I think. And what other safety valve is there for Roy Moore?
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:13 amFor all the complaining they do about fundraising they never complain about the benefits fundraisers lavish on their friends and family or post Congressional service opportunities their well-connected friends offer.
I’m with Hoagie and nk – Repeal 17
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:15 amR.I.P. Fats Domino
Icy (022a9e) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:19 amYou do realize it pertains to Senators, comrade Ben!. It still means two per state as much as the collective would love to stuff every ballot box. You need to brush up on the Constitution you’re trying to erase.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:27 amGuess which firm also represented crowdstrike, the other part of the hrishenko squirrel, yes Perkins and coie
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:27 amThe distraction/diversion begins.
“Trump Data Guru: I Tried to Team Up With Julian Assange”
https://amp.thedailybeast.com/trump-data-guru-i-tried-to-team-up-with-julian-assange
harkin (cf32fb) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:29 amYes Pauline kael:
http://amp.nationalreview.com/corner/453092/scandals-collide-dossier-dnc-server-perkins-coie?utm_source=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_medium=PANTHEON_STRIPPED
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:30 amThe WAPO is only running the story to do damage control on something bigger.
AZ Bob (f60c80) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:32 amCalif would have 13 Senators, Texas 7 and so on. For every three million residents each state would get one Senator but even Rhode Island, Wyoming etc would get one. It works out to 93 so states that get clise to the next 3 million could get a bump.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:32 amYes I know Hoagie. I went to public school in California…not New Yawk so Civics was on the menu.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:34 am85… now there’s a thought, AZBob!
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:37 amThey’re setting up the “old news” “mistakes were made” “everybody does it” “no charges filed” we’ve seen repeated over and over again for the past 25yrs of modified limited hangouts.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:49 amhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/four-americans-killed-in-niger-battle-had-limited-combat-experience-1508877459
This seems odd..no prior deployments?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:49 amIt goes against the bias of the Washington Post. And it has not been denied by anyone.
9. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:18 pm
That almost certainly explains that.
That’s what they hope.
In fact, probably it is a limited hang out, and the truth is worse, or illegal.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:49 am@87 I figured you was funnin’ wit me, Ben!.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:50 am85. AZ Bob (f60c80) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:32 am
Some very simple questions.
Notice that the money has been traced only to the law firm, and the clients are still anonymous, (but are said to be the Hillary Clinton campaign AND the DNC)
No payments to the law firm by private persons mentioned, and the law firm also doesn’t claim that funded the opposition research on its own without consulting anyone in the campaign.
This raises the issue of the existence of what could be determined to be illegal campaign contributions above the campaign contribution limits.
Q. Did any money come from other sources than the Hillary Clinton campaign or the DNC?
If so:
Q. Was there was co-ordination with the Clinton campaign, either
1) to arrange for someone else to pay the law firm, or
2) to consult with the law firm when they were getting paid by someone else..
And by the way the only reason for the DNC to be involved would be that their contribution limits are higher than to a candidate.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:51 amDid any money come from other sources than the Hillary Clinton campaign or the DNC?
Why are you so selective in your reads, hoagie?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:53 amSorry..not hoagie…Sammy.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:54 amHoagie, Ben burn is funny, but not funny ha-ha, if you know what I mean.
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:56 amSo it was a wild squirrel chase, a little like angletons reputed mole hunt, although his late deputy Bagley would tell you different.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:57 amTwo of us paid him attention. We just made his day.
nk (dbc370) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:57 amDon’t flatter yourself nk. I’ve seen your humour.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 8:59 amGrassley now calling for DOJ to appoint a special prosecutor to look into Mikerin investigation and why it was not brought to attention of various agencies involved in approving Uranium One purchase by Rosatom.
Humorous that he specifically says “anyone with authority who isn’t recused” should make appointment. I think that might be a shot at Rosenstein since he can’t make the appointment re that matter because he will be one of the DOJ officials being looked at.
There is now another allegation in the CNN article that the FBI agents working with the informant who is Victoria Toensing’s client, told him during the investigation that the case was so sensitive and important that Obama was being briefed on it personally. That would have come through Mueller. Keep in mind that the information was supposedly telling the FBI about things the Russians were saying to him about their efforts to influence the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation through contributions.
Now just because the agents said Obama was briefed, that doesn’t mean it was true. But it would be explosive if it was true — Obama had real time actual knowledge of information that the Russians were actively seeking to influence Clinton’s decision making on Russia in 2010, and let the Uranium One deal go through even while knowing of ongoing corruption involving the company that would be running Uranium One for the Russians.
Session should take this and run with it. Sessions should appoint a special prosecutor to look into the approval of the Uranium One deal, and all aspects of the DOJ work on the Mikerin case — including who was briefed on the case, what they were told, and whether the FBI/DOJ were given any instructions from outside DOJ on how to proceed.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:01 amYes you went off reservation Hoagie. NO and other timid players tend to look bad when you talk to me. Take it under advisement: this is like a high school clique.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:01 amNO = nk.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:02 am25. crazy (d99a88) — 10/24/2017 @ 9:48 pm
After. It has previously been reported that Christopher Steele was hired in June, and now the link with the law firm has been pushed back to April.
Now it could be that at first there was illegal co-ordination and then, as the expense of this investigation rose, the Clinton campaign or the DNC began paying money directly to the law firm.
One important point: Christopher Steele probably never dropped a hint to the Russians that he was working for any Americans.
That will get you nothing. Law firms can do any kind of crazy accounting of who is paying them and for what that they want, as long as the total is correct for the IRS. They already admitted paying Fusion GPS since April, 2016.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:04 amHe used to say the same thing about ken a decade ago
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59efd44b04917c59412e4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:07 amIs this a “long-play” on the part of the new DNC power structure and the progressives????
Is this the Obama/Sanders/Warren wing of the party trying to rid themselves of the Clintons, and hang all the dirt of the past 5 years around their necks far enough ahead of 2020 that its all blown over by then?
Interesting that The Hill stories appeared around the same time the DNC/Clinton campaign involvement in Dossier gets comfirmed.
Also, it follows just a few weeks after Hillary’s book which blames everything on everyone else.
This could very well be the start of a blood-letting within the DNC meant to purge the current party of all the Clintonistas, and end up with Obama back as the power behind the party, shaping its run towards a 2020 battle.
I need to go to Costco for another 48 count package of microwave popcorn.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:11 am103. Yep, but they’re shaking the right tree and bad apples are falling out.
105. That’s exactly what it’s starting to look like but a lot hinges on whether Mueller is an investigator or a cleaner.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:17 amThey’ve gone to teh mattresses…
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:22 amFake intel led to early morning SWAT raids. Sounds familiar.
AZ Bob (1f5e3a) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:24 amSWC, reality check:
You can beat your chest all you want. But, like Trump, bluff is all you got. Who knows? Maybe you’ll even get Hillary impeached!
Tillman (a95660) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:34 amhttps://www.usnews.com/news/ken-walshs-washington/articles/2017-10-24/poll-finds-president-donald-trump-loses-ground-on-puerto-rico-response
19. nk (dbc370) — 10/24/2017 @ 8:47 pm
That would be a reason to believe it isn’t true (because Trump doesn’t think there’s any reason for anyone else to believe it) He actually did mention it more than once, but not defensively..
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:37 am109 – GIGO.
If I recall correctly, Trump as polling 4-6 points behind Clinton on Election Day.
Shipwreckedcrew (cb99de) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:39 amThey are still publishing?
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:40 amPeople lie.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/25/2017 @ 9:43 amWill be interesting to get his reaction. I don’t see one under his name at NRO yet.
He has more.
“The most significant pressing question about the so-called Trump Dossier is whether it was used by the FBI and the Obama Justice Department to get a warrant from the FISA court to conduct national-security surveillance on people connected to the Trump campaign. As I have previously pointed out, this would not be as scandalous as it sounds if (a) the Justice Department had a good faith basis to believe the people the Bureau wanted to surveil were acting as agents of Russia, and (b) the FBI first corroborated whatever information it took from the dossier before presenting it to the FISA court. But it certainly is interesting that we are once again, in a case involving alleged Russian espionage, reviewing a situation in which the FBI relied on a contractor retained by the DNC’s and the Clinton campaign’s lawyers at Perkins Coie.”
Frederick (49c849) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:03 am“It was an astonishing turn: the nation’s top federal law enforcement agency agreeing to fund an ongoing opposition research project being conducted by one of the candidates in the midst of a presidential election. “The idea that the FBI and associates of the Clinton campaign would pay Mr. Steele to investigate the Republican nominee for president in the run-up to the election raises further questions about the FBI’s independence from politics, as well as the Obama administration’s use of law enforcement and intelligence agencies for political ends,” wrote Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Charles Grassley.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-after-trump-dossier-revelation-fbi-is-next/article/2638540?platform=hootsuite
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:09 amI think the FBI wanted to pay him after the election. But his name became public, so they never did.
Rush Limbaugh apparently thinks that the contents of the dossier were completely made up by Christopher Steele, and so much so, that he doesn’t even state that ckearly. ‘
I think it was genuine Russian disinformation aimed at the U.K.
Another thing Limbaugh noted: The computer hacking firm that investigated the DNC hack, Crowdstrike, was also a client of the same law firm (so they’d keep secret any embarrassing thing they found, unlike maybe FBI agents)
Not sure about that, but someone from Perkins was on the DNC committee that dealt with the hack:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:26 amnarciso @112. Newsweek, too, and Newsweek even went back to having a print edition.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:28 amDebbie Poodleman Schultz in teh crosshairs?
Revenge is best served cold… on wheat bread, with mustard, mayo, and slices of tomato and Swiss cheese.
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:31 amhttp://www.dailywire.com/news/22710/report-hillary-clintons-campaign-dnc-funded-trump-ryan-saavedra
Or was that maybe only $9.1 million? http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453092/scandals-collide-dossier-dnc-server-perkins-coie
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:39 amWhat’s this about giving the total back to June, 2015? Because the amount paid after April, 2016 would not cover the cost of handling Fusion GPS plus all the other things they did? Don’t campaign finance reports have to be filed quarterly?
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/25/2017 @ 10:42 amRe the FBI wanting to pay Steele.
I’m not 100% sure this is being accurately reported, or if the reporter understands the internal processes of the FBI.
I’m 100% sure that whoever from the FBI made contact with Steele wanted to sign him up as “source.” This is reference to Bureau-Speak. Part of an Agent’s annual evaluation is their effectiveness at signing up sources, and the quality of information those sources supply. The first part is strictly a numbers game — each agent and each office is expected to “open” a specific number of sources every 90 days. Agents have “file reviews” with their supervisors every 90 days, and that file review includes a review of “open” sources. If the source is producing information, the source remains “open”. If the source has quit providing information, the source is “closed”.
Some agents are extraordinarily good at this, and others suck at it. Agents that suck usually have sources opened by others assigned to them to manage.
Sources get validated as reliable when information they provide is independently verified. A sourced deemed reliable doesn’t have to have their information validated to the same degree.
Some sources go on the payroll — they actually get paid for information they provide. Others get paid for expenses they incur in tracking down information.
Sources can be as varied as a scientist working for defense contractor who has regular contact with Chinese nationals in the same field of scientific endeavors, or a valet at a hotel who is in a position to provide information on the comings and goings of someone of interest to the FBI.
My guess would be that the FBI signed Steele up as a source so they could use him to tap information from Russia — whether about Trump or anything else.
They certainly agreed to cover his expenses in any such efforts, and they might have agreed to compensate him in the same manner clients compensated him for similar work.
None of that would be unusual from the standpoint of agents working sources.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/25/2017 @ 11:08 am“Those same GOO Senators got Gorsuch confirmed without help from Trump“
You mean other than sending him up for confirmation?
harkin (cf32fb) — 10/25/2017 @ 11:10 amSo, which Republican candidate/financial backer initially paid Fusion GPS to compile the anti-Trump Dossier?
I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Jeb Bush’s fingerprints are found all over the scene of the crime. I’m prepared to apologize if it turns out to be someone else, but today, right now, that’s my guess, and I have absolutely zero evidence.
ropelight (bbe920) — 10/25/2017 @ 11:30 amJust speculating, but it was probably somebody like Sheldon Adelson who was against Trump before he was for him.
crazy (d99a88) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:01 pmwhy was piggy-pie torture-turd John McCain entitled to a free copy
did he get the GroupOn?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:09 pmso it turns out
the nubile young women making gouts of pee pee splash on a bed barack and michelle slept in slept in slept in
turns out this was a fantasy of Hillary’s
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:12 pmLook! It’s Halley’s Comet!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:15 pmhttp://www.nationalreview.com/morning-jolt/453091/donald-trump-dossier-funded-hillary-clinton-dnc
One who was really secretly allied with the Clitnons for a long time.
A Republican In Name Only – for real.
Someone who would be perceived as aClinton Republican – and tghat would lead to otehr things.
What Fusion GPS would probably tell you, though, is that ethics constrains them from revealing the names of clients without their consent.
I think it is possible that this information is stil covered by the subpoena – this way they can fight the subpoena but still not reveal all, and hope tghe Republicans don’t press it.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:21 pmNice segue Sammy..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:23 pmHuman beans are fascinating
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 12:25 pmIt’s not the 17th Amendment which needs to be repealed, but the 16th!
The Sixteenth Amendment, allowing the imposition of an income tax, is the worst thing ever imposed on a (supposedly) free people; it allows the government to tax different people differently.
The economist Dana (0c82d7) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:17 pmthank god it’s not part of the actual constitution
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:24 pmWhen jockeying for position in a social structure, conservative in nature, it’s important to understand the tonality of succor versus suck
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 1:32 pmSegue from what?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 10/25/2017 @ 2:38 pmMcCain.
AZ Bob (1f5e3a) — 10/25/2017 @ 2:46 pmAnd yet too many have:
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:31 pmhttp://dailycaller.com/2017/10/23/tom-cotton-you-cant-give-any-credibility-to-the-trump-dossier-video
hoax is turned around
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:38 pm“treason”…”collusion”… “jail”
they done flipped teh script
true that beenburned sucks
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:42 pmhe can’t help it all he’s got
there is no there there
Since the other thread is Norwegian blue
http:babalublog.com/2017/10/24/sen-jeff-fake-castros-top-champion-on-capitol-hill-wimps-out-will-not-seek-re-election
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:44 pmProfound vindication today. The Clinton campaign, the DNC and the Democrat media operatives with bylines should feel much shame and embarrassment, but lefties do NOT embarrass easy.
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:51 pmIts as if everything we were told waswrong:
dailycaller.com/2017/10/22/exclusive-podestas-green-company-forced-to-close-because-hillary-lost-the-election
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 3:58 pmChris Cilizza at CNN last week (sounds like someone we know):
“But even by Trump standards, this morning’s tweet is somewhat remarkable. He is suggesting that a dossier prepared by a former member of British intelligence has not only been totally discredited (it hasn’t — more on that in a minute) but that it might have been funded by some combination of Russia, the Democratic Party and, wait for it, the FBI!
Think he might want to take a mulligan?
harkin (cf32fb) — 10/25/2017 @ 4:23 pmpremature ejaculatories
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/25/2017 @ 4:30 pmMaybe sasse would have about this:
http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2017/10/implosion-of-opposition-alliance-mud.html
narciso (d1f714) — 10/25/2017 @ 4:54 pm“Chris Cilizza, call the county coroner… he’d like you to come in and identify your body of lies…”
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 5:31 pmhttps://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/25/fec-complaint-filed-clinton-campaign-dnc-dossier-funding/
ColoComment (13c772) — 10/25/2017 @ 6:25 pmThe money gets funneled through a lawyer because attorney-client privilege.
AZ Bob (f60c80) — 10/25/2017 @ 7:33 pmThe Sixteenth Amendment, allowing the imposition of an income tax, is the worst thing ever imposed on a (supposedly) free people; it allows the government to tax different people differently.
It also intrudes on privacy about as much as anything could. Even a warrant would have to be more specific.
Kevin M (752a26) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:30 amIt was also reported several months ago that it was Jeb Bush’s campaign
After all he had to be spending all that money on *something* and it sure wasn’t getting votes.
Kevin M (752a26) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:31 amHappy birthday, Mrs. Non President.
mg (31009b) — 10/26/2017 @ 4:07 amColonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/25/2017 @ 5:31 pm
LOL.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 10/26/2017 @ 6:06 am123. ropelight (bbe920) — 10/25/2017 @ 11:30 am
Probably somebody who pretended to be a supporter of Marco Rubio, maybe earlier Jeb Bush. The support was cut off in March. That’s when Fusion GPS went to Perkins Coie, and they stated paying them in April. I don’t think it was a real Republican – Fusion GPS has Democratic Party ties. Political consultants and also this sort of thing tend to work almost exclusively for members of one political party, especially on the national level.
This is all became public because Fusion GPS is fighting a subpoena for bank records. They obtained a no-doubt very carefully drafted letter sent to them sent to them by a lawyer from Perkins, Coie, dated Tuesday, October 24, 2017, and submitted it to the court the same day. The news articles I read didn’t explain how this fits into their legal strategy for fighting the subpoena.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 6:19 amThey are, of course, doing this (revealing they were hired by official Democrats) because they are protecting some other secrets, and the most obvious ones would be the identity of the unknown Republican who hired them earlier (he, she or it, has probable Clinton ties, and that opens a whole can of worms) and anything that would tend to implicate anyone as being in violation of campaign finance laws.
In fact there’s already a lawsuit about that by something called Campaign Legal Center:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/complaint-claims-clinton-dnc-broke-the-law-by-hiding-dossier-payments/
The fact that they would admit to it probably means that he real campaign finance law violations are worse. Here the most likely consequences are fines, several years from now. * They’ll claim it was inadvertent, or legal because it still constitutes legal representation. This firm was responsible for making sure that the campaign finance reports were all in order.
They originally had probably had a fallback position earlier that the money wasn’t coming from the Clinton campaign or the DNC at all. A law firm can do any kind of crazy accounting it wants as long as the totals add up right and there’s no fraud. Who pays for what is considered to be attorney-client privilege – strictly a matter between the attorney and his clients. Of couyrse sometimes that can be penetrated.
* (If nothing else comes out, of course.)
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 6:22 amAnd now, Cambridge Analytica — the data firm paid for by far right wing oligarch Bob Mercer that played a big role in getting Trump elected — is involved in it.
The DailyBeast reports that Congressional investigators have found an email from CA head Alexander Nix to some unnamed person (Trump’s digital director Brad Parscale was interviewed by HPSCI yesterday) saying he offered to help Assange with the project.
Nix, who heads Cambridge Analytica, told a third party that he reached out to Assange about his firm somehow helping the WikiLeaks editor release Clinton’s missing emails, according to two sources familiar with a congressional investigation into interactions between Trump associates and the Kremlin. Those sources also relayed that, according to Nix’s email, Assange told the Cambridge Analytica CEO that he didn’t want his help, and preferred to do the work on his own.
Assange, who insists he never says anything to compromise sources, released his own statement saying he rejected the help.
After publication, Assange provided this statement to The Daily Beast: ”We can confirm an approach by Cambridge Analytica and can confirm that it was rejected by WikiLeaks.”
https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/25/camdbridge-analytica-and-the-hillary-emails/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:09 amNunes says we’re just seeing “the tip of the iceberg”… http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/devin-nunes-news-that-clinton-campaign-paid-for-trump-dossier-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:13 amNunes is just prepping that fig leave in exchange for something his Central Valley Portos usually end up going soft on.
urbanleftbehind (b843ef) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:16 amNunes and Rohrabacher are up to their necks in effluent…dog paddling for breathable air.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:20 amAssuange doesnt need access, he provides the access,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:21 am.
Is it True?
There have certainly been plenty of vehement denials. Trump has on multiple occasions ridiculed both the dossier’s findings and its author, who the president called a “failed spy.” Cohen sent a letter to Congress in August strongly denying the allegations made against him, although he did not mention the personal claims made against the president. And this week three Russians named in the dossier filed a lawsuit in Washington claiming their reputations had been ruined by the claims.
But there is growing evidence that investigators are taking the dossier far more seriously than was initially believed. Although the particular claim that saw the report nicknamed the “golden shower,” or “pee tape,” dossier has not been verified, the intelligence community has corroborated the broad assertion about Russia’s attempts to interfere in the election, CNN has reported. Officials have also agreed that the communication between non-Americans contained in the report did in fact take place. What Trump has called “fake news” would appear to be, at least in part, far more real.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:30 amhttp://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-golden-shower-dossier-679973
Since nisenko will likely be lionized
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/rocca.htm
This is the grand daddy of dezinforma, one might say the protocols were the okrana version.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:44 amJust so its clear — someone probably mentioned this above, and Sammy hit on it tangentially — whoever the GOP client was, that person/campaign dropped the funding of Fusion GPS in March or April, 2016, and we now know that the DNC and Clinton campaign took over the funding of the opposition research on Trump at that point.
Steele, the dossier author, was not hired until June, 2016.
So everything that came from Steele was as a result of DNC and Clinton campaign funding, and his work was for their benefit as the clients.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/26/2017 @ 8:45 amEveryone relax, the same people who assured us the Dems had nothing to do with the dossier now assure that Hillary had no knowledge of it until Buzzfeed released it.
/sarc
“Hillary Clinton only learned about the now-infamous “Trump dossier” after BuzzFeed News posted it, despite the fact that the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund it, a source confirmed to CBS News.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-learned-of-trump-dossier-after-buzzfeed-posted-it/
Is there anyone on earth who might believe this?
harkin (9803a7) — 10/26/2017 @ 9:31 ambtw the comments from the usually very liberal CBS News commenters are pretty good……even they are sick of her lies.
harkin (9803a7) — 10/26/2017 @ 9:33 amClick this! Trust me, you’ll like it.
nk (dbc370) — 10/26/2017 @ 9:41 amharken @162. She’s just like her husband, Bill Clinton, and maybe Obama. She only learns about things when she reads about them in the newspapers (updated for 2017)
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:23 amBen Burn @159. That Newsweek article is some two weeks old. I am not sure anyone wants to go around saying that now. And yet there may be some half truths buried in it.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:26 am155. Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:13 am
I told you.
This is the first shoe. (relatively speaking, anyway)
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:29 amYes, but why bring up Hillary’s sexuality?
nk (dbc370) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:32 amfound my cell phone. it was in the kitchen.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:38 amHave you ever noticed, that when you’re looking for something, you always find it in the last place you look? Always!
nk (dbc370) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:40 amI liked it.
mg (31009b) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:45 amDue for a purge
https://mobile.twitter.com/omriceren/status/923597855234953216
narciso (d1f714) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:52 amnk (dbc370) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:40 am
Not necessarily.
Sometimes you find it when you are looking for something else. You don’t find what you are looking for, at least not so fast, but you find what you have looked for before. Maybe days before.
And sometimes you even find it before you realize you lost it. Like the way I found a dwbit card today on the floor near a telephone. That’s the best way to find something.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 12:45 pm165 Sammy – “She’s just like her husband, Bill Clinton, and maybe Obama. She only learns about things when she reads about them in the newspapers.”
You have to wonder if she dictated this line in the NYTimes “What To Know About The Dossier Of Trump Research And Who Paid For It” bit of PR fluff:
“The lead Perkins Coie lawyer representing both the campaign and the D.N.C., Marc Elias, pushed back earlier this year when asked whether his firm was the client for the dossier whether he possessed it before the election and whether he was involved in efforts to encourage media outlets to write about its contents….”
“Pushed back”??? LOL – Why not just say denied?
And here’s the firm’s follow-up:
“On Tuesday, the veteran Democratic consultant Anita Dunn, who is working with Perkins Coie, explained Mr. Elias’s earlier response. “Obviously, he was not at liberty to confirm Perkins Coie as the client at that point, and should perhaps have ‘no commented’ more artfully,”.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html
Anyways I guess it’s useful to know that if use a law firm to do your dirty work, have someone create fake intelligence reports, leak them to friendly media members and launder the funds you supply as being for “legal work”, you have an extra barrier of deniability behind the attorney client privilege.
harkin (fcaff0) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:10 pmPushed back”??? LOL – Why not just say denied? It may not have been a flat denial.
And there’s this (quoted in National Review’s Morning Jolt)
I can see why they would say that, but i can see no resason to beleive it is the truth. tghey are sayinbg taht to avoid legal lkiability for violating campaign finance laws.
But I wonder what is the “out” for the law firm?
It was all a misunderstanding??
They were given $6 million (Trump is using that figure) as a result of confusion in the Democratic campaign?
That a person discussed something with her is the way a minion will repeat a lie.
Translation: She’s caiming to believe it. She’s still taking the position (indirectly, not through a direct quote) that she beleives it, and/or that the contents of the dossier are largely true, or at least that it should have been out in the open, to rebut or confirm.
Actually, some of it was alluded to by Harry Reid and published by Mother Jones.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump/
`Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:30 pmWell, you see taht’s teh question>
Was this fake, or was this genuine Russian disinformation?
It’s not like Christopher Steele would have told Russians he was working for the Hillary Clinton campaign, given Vladimir Pution’s feelings about the election and Trump.
`Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:32 pm“pushed back” explained:
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/922955410327425027
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:42 pmComplaint filed with FEC:
http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/document/fec-complaint-hillary-america-dnc-failure-disclose
PDF file:
http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/sites/default/files/10-25-17%20CLC%20DNC%20Clinton%20%28Filed%29.pdf
I think the Clinton campaign and the DNC are going to point fingers at each othe and at third persons.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:46 pm“I told you.
This is the first shoe. (relatively speaking, anyway)”
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/26/2017 @ 10:29 am
Yes, if a game changer can be described as a “first shoe”, you got me dead to rights, Sammy.
But we may have us an Imelda Marcos situation here… teh real 💩
Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/26/2017 @ 1:53 pm“Was this fake, or was this genuine Russian disinformation?
Sadly, this hardly matters any more. Look at the smears thrown by the Dems and msm at everyone from Sarah Palin to Scott Walker to Officer Darren Wilson. They don’t even care about the truth, they just want whatever will stick thru the next news cycle. If it’s wrong, so what, the damage has been done and mission accomplished.
It’s like the tweet about Trump not wearing facility-provided headphones during a speech in Europe, implying he has no interest in even listening to an ally. That tweet was re-tweeted by the thousands. The tweet correcting that earlier one and explaining he was using a much harder-to-see earbud? Re-tweeted about 40 Times.
harkin (10a18c) — 10/26/2017 @ 2:57 pmYou never go full from:
narciso (d1f714) — 10/26/2017 @ 3:02 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/MelCowznofski/status/923505464666570755
I’m betting the Republican who first hired Fusion was Jeb.
Brad (cc95c2) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:37 pmThe problem, is sammeh, steel acvitding to the records tomlinson, the rogue mi 6 agent as opposed tie shaylwr from mi 5, steel had been in Moscow only in the early 80s. Kind of like Howard hunts expertise on Mexico.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/26/2017 @ 7:53 pmIt’s been remarked by some, including Rush Limbaugh, that Donald Trump doesn’t seem to be too disturbed about this whole thing.
I think Donald Trump seems to think the Clinton people and the DNC were sold a bill of goods, and since it was never used in the campaign (not in a way that came to his attention) it doesn’t matter so much. I think also he’s hired private detectives, but the difference, he feels, is that when they came back with nonsense, he cut them off.
Now this was actually used to try (mostly unsuccessfully) to get rumors and mostly implausible falsehoods started, and to try to start an investigation, or keep it going and intensify it.
But the investigation was largely kept secret, except by some hints dropped by Harry Reid at the very end of the campaign, and Trump was told by Comey in early January that he was not a target of a counter-intelligence investigation, so he thinks nothing happened, except that it cost the Clinton campaign a great deal of wasted money. (I think Comey chose his words carefully, and it is significant that he didn’t tell Trump that he had never been a target of an investigation)
Trump thinks the dossier only started to create some problems for him after the election.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/27/2017 @ 3:01 am“Was this fake, or was this genuine Russian disinformation?
180. harkin (10a18c) — 10/26/2017 @ 2:57 pm
It matters in a whole bunch of ways.
It goes to how this happened, and how easy it was, and who was involved.. I just don’t think it worked like that, and the Dems were actually looking for something they could use, or misuse (but even something you mis-use you have to to start off with something)
No, it make a difference whether and how soon an allegation disappears or not. Democrats might not care about truth, but they do care about plausibility, and a totally made up one risks being undermined and is not so plausible. True, they use both kinds of accusations, as long as they were somewhat remotely plausible, but they prefer plausible ones They don’t get knocked down so fast and have a longer lifespan.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/27/2017 @ 3:19 amToo many people are thinking that the the dossier was EITHER entirely made up, OR that Putin’s aim was to pit Americans against each other.
Somehow not realizing that Putin probably had no idea that Christopher Steele was working for any Americans!
We know that now, but that wasn’t obvious and was probably something that the Democrats and Fusion GPS wanted to keep deeply hidden. They would have had every reason to ide that, given Putin’s evident favoritism toward Trump.
Christopher Steele, possibly pretending to be still working for MI-6, or otherwise for British conservatives, probed his Russian sources as to what was the REAL reason Putin was so in favor of Trump.
So they told him lies.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/27/2017 @ 7:55 amRight saameh, the last administration did the reset despite the litvinenko poisoning it 2as patty to the uranium one deal, it served up Ukraine on latter, what else’s didn’t they get for putin.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:00 amOh, come on, Sammy. Are clients going to continue to pay you big bucks when they hire you to do “oppo research and you give them bupkes? A clean bill of health on their opponent? You’ll soon be out of business. Steele could not deliver the real goods, so he put together some fiction. If he relied on any “sources”, they were “sources” he knew could be relied on to lie about Trump.
nk (dbc370) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:03 amCue: our man in havana with Alec Guinness, mi 6’s reporting was only slightly more competent on the island.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:06 amFlynn and this guy never really bothered me. (GORKA!!!! uttered seinfeld-character style)
urbanleftbehind (f2041d) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:13 amnk (dbc370) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:03 am
Steele might have had to name his sources to some people. His clients might want too hire somebody else to. Money could be a motivation for working hard, but it’s kind of dangerous (for your reputation) to just make things up.
I go for it being real Russian sources who lied to him. Different kinds of lies – Russia had “compromat” on Trump so he would do what they want…no, he had deep financial links to Russia and was making lots of money from Russia.
Steele actually seems to have believed it because he tried to circulate this on his own, telling everybody he trusted about it.
If he thought it to be a lie, he would know the more people he told the greater the chance of exposure and loss of future business. If he knew it was false he’d also know the story would blow up in his face and he wouldn’t try to overuse it.
He was telling people he could not expect as future clients. Senator McCain wasn’t going to hire him (although he might have been forced to give a copy to a man Mccain sent by the fact that a former British Ambassador had told McCain – but that ambassador was not a potential client)
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:16 amNunes jumping the shark to navigate through Russian estuaries. Methinks he fiddles through the flames.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:24 amDoes the expression “hoisted on her own petard” seem to suggest itself?
ropelight (e67740) — 10/27/2017 @ 5:15 pmI was wrong about the Clinton Republican:
I wrote (correcting typos now) at 128:
What happens is that we tend to believe some lies, and then come up with a more complicated explanation than the truth.
Two Wall Street Journal columnists wrote that reporters were lied to. The key lie may have been this:
That first they were funded by a Republican, and then they went looking for another client, and they got some Democrat to take over.
Now, if you paid careful attention it was clear that Christopher Steele was not hired when a Republican was involved, but you could miss that. I didn’t.
But there still was a BIG LIE.
The two investigations overlapped!!
One was not a substitute for the other. And they had nothing to do with each other.
The “Washington Free Beacon” commissioned Fusion GPS to collect information from public records. They did not hire any private detectives.
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/29/2017 @ 7:07 amThey brought in the idea of a Republican just to say that both parties hired them (while, without saying so, hoping that some people would get confused about who hired Christopher Steele.)
The time frame when the Democrats took over varied eventually, but they always told this lie, whatever the time frame they got. They always said they only got hired by the Democrat(s) after the Republican quit.
This indeed made it look to me like the “Republican” and the Clintons were in cahoots, and that they were protecting some Republican, which only made sense if the Republican was acting on behalf of the Clintons, which was perhaps a secret worth keeping even if you revealed the payments by the Clinton campaign.
In reality, they were hired by the Democrats in March, and started getting paid in April, while the Republican source continued until May, 2016.
In reality, there was no “previous Republican” in any sense of the word.
This is a lie.
Now also, the “Republican” turned out to be the publication, the well known “Washington Free Beacon” which is not exactly a Republican, and isn’t just one person, even though they are chiefly supported by a man named Paul Singer, who was an anti-Trump Republican, who has since reconciled with Trump. The New York Times, in its print headline on Saturday, October 28, doesn’t call them “Republicans: but “Conservatives.”
The “Washington Free Beacon” told the House Intelligence Committee this late on Friday. (Possibly at the request of Fusion GOS which was still trying to protect their bank records. They’ve now caved in on that, or some of that. They might be afraid their whole list of clients and what other things they were hired to do might be revealed))
Sammy Finkelman (20d02d) — 10/29/2017 @ 7:09 am