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10/7/2017

Attorney Lisa Bloom No Longer Advising Harvey Weinstein (UPDATE ADDED)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:34 am



[guest post by Dana]

Lisa Bloom, attorney advising sexual predator Harvey Weinstein, has had a change of mind:

The high-profile attorney Lisa Bloom is stepping down from her role as an adviser to Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein, who has been accused by numerous women of sexual harassment, Bloom told HuffPost on Saturday.

Bloom has been under fire since the news broke that she was part of Weinstein’s legal team. The feminist lawyer is known for representing women against high-profile harassers, such as Bill O’Reilly and Bill Cosby, and many of her supporters saw her work with Weinstein as a betrayal of her values.

As I wrote, upon reading that Weinstein was developing Bloom’s book (about Trayvon Martin) into a six-episode production for the screen, her decision to be an adviser to him was a painfully obvious self-serving one which diminished her credibility, and certainly tarnished the cause of feminism:

Oh, for godsake. Just stop it. Bloom is defending a powerful mogul who is working to… bring her book to the screen?? This gives her credibility? Does she believe Women everywhere are collectively shaking their heads in understanding, Ah, well, that makes sense. How else are you going to get your book made into a movie? Irony doesn’t bite much more than Lisa Bloom herself selling her soul for the part.

The lesson [as demonstrated by Bloom] must be that if a Democrat who has been accused of “decades of sexual harassment,” has backed up their political persuasion with sizable donations to the candidate of choice, and promises to make her movie, then Bloom’s decision to tarnish the cause of feminism and show her hypocritical underpants is justified. She has no qualms about defending this powerful, wealthy “old dinosaur,” even if it has been feminists on the left who have been the targets of his harassment.

Ultimately, Bloom’s sellout was a slap in the face of the victims who have come forward, and those who have yet to do so.

Maybe Bloom’s decision to part ways with Weinstein was due to the criticism she received. Maybe Weinstein masturbating into a potted plant tipped the scales for her. Or maybe she just didn’t want to risk facing her own mother, Gloria Allred, in court:

Allred said she could not account or speak for her daughter’s actions, but warned that she would not be afraid to face her in court, representing Weinstein’s accusers.

“While I would not represent Mr. Weinstein, I would consider representing anyone who accused Mr. Weinstein of sexual harassment, even if it meant that my daughter was the opposing counsel,” said Allred.

Even if this decision was just self-serving damage control, which I believe it to be, it is still a good decision. Unfortunately for Bloom, it will not erase the fact that she jumped on board as an adviser who was willing to make patently pathetic excuses for Weinstein’s inappropriate, intimidating and illegal behavior. The choices she made will always be a reminder of just how easily Lisa Bloom sacrificed her alleged principles.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

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228 Responses to “Attorney Lisa Bloom No Longer Advising Harvey Weinstein (UPDATE ADDED)”

  1. The intoxicating draw of fame and fortune, the kind that compels individuals to betray their own principles, sell their souls and give up what they hold dear, should always be a constant reminder of the immense frailty of man and the extraordinary fall from grace we have all made. Treasures here does not equate to treasures there.

    Dana (023079)

  2. Deviant behavior apologist Lanny Davis also appears to be backing away from close association with Weinstein’s crisis management team. I can’t imagine a stink so horrible it would cause Lanny Davis to distance himself.

    Rick Ballard (259013)

  3. “Lisa Bloom, the daughter of Gloria Allred, who is thought to have been born with horns and cloven hooves…”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. No kudos from me. What it looks like to me is that the slimy shyster b!tch got herself in the news by agreeing to represent Weinstein then she made herself look like a heroine by dumping him. All at the expense of her client. Weinstein should file a complaint with whatever disciplinary body regulates lawyers in California.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Its that question of price, like churchurchill said to lady astir, reportedly

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. I like when the Left eats one of its own.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  7. OT: Iowa State. Woooooooh.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  8. BTW, is the plant dead?

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  9. nk,

    Don’t think that I am congratulating her for her decision to drop him. It’s clearly damage control, and a decision driven purely by self-interest and promotion. She is a clever woman who knows how to effectively play those around her.

    Dana (023079)

  10. “The lesson [as demonstrated by Bloom] must be that if a Democrat…”

    ???

    “…politicizing this only makes it hurt more…” Sound familiar? “today is not the day for that – it only makes the hurt worse.” Sound familiar, too?

    Will take a knee for Vegas victims, bump stocks, jerkoffs, Tillerson’s self-respect, four dead Americans in Niger and Tom Petty during the anthem this Sunday. Whadda week.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. @9. Dana, suspect it may be more a conflict of interest thing. Bloom’s mother, Gloria Allred, is likely going to try to represent victims in any legal proceedings against Weinstein.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. At Norman, Biggie. Wow.

    DRJ (15874d)

  13. @ DCSCA,

    Dana, suspect it may be more a conflict of interest thing. Bloom’s mother, Gloria Allred, is likely going to try to represent victims in any legal proceedings against Weinstein.

    I think it’s Bloom trying to scramble and restore her tarnished brand. And I think she’s afraid of facing her mom in court.

    Dana (023079)

  14. 7-PB
    1st. time in 27 years in Okl.

    mg (31009b)

  15. Is Woody Allen a lawyer?

    mg (31009b)

  16. @13. That’s likely part of it as well; double-edged sword, but given both their propensity for publicity, what a camera magnet for Court TV and lawyer-talking-head-segments on the cablers that would be.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. Rob Reiner’s pathetically weak statement on Harvey Weinstein after being asked about him during a Q&A following a screening of his new film, LBJ:

    “What can my community do? Listen, this is happening in every work place in America. I mean, you have Fox News. I mean, this is – you talk about sexual harassment. That goes on and it’s disgusting. It’s disgusting. I mean, the thing to do about it is to – how about this? Harvey Weinstein funded this movie “The Hunting Ground”. How do you do that? I mean, you know.

    That’s something we all have to – you know, we have to create these safe atmospheres where women can come forward and say what they need to say in order to get these things – but this kind of stuff is going on in every industry.

    It’s not just Hollywood. He’s one schmuck who did what he did but you know there’s a lot of great people in Hollywood that don’t do that kind of stuff

    The Hunting Ground is a film that tackles the issue of sexual assault on college campuses.

    Dana (023079)

  18. many of her supporters saw her work with Weinstein as a betrayal of her values.

    Hunh? He had money. Valuable money.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  19. I wonder if the Weinstein company would dare cancel the Trayvon project now.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. Harvey Weinstein funded this movie “The Hunting Ground”. How do you do that? I mean, you know

    I wonder if Woody Allen donates to orphanages.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  21. Sounds like it’s Happy Hunting in Hollywood, Meathead.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. @20. Several other execs resigned along w/the top jerkoff’s leave. The company’s in trouble as holiday movie time approaches and awards season nears. Their TV projects aren’t wowing either.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. Did he actually direct princess bride and spinal tap, although he seems to have lost his touch, with the story of us.

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. I wonder if she was worried about being censured by the bar in some way. She certainly would not be worried about being censured by other liberals in Hollywood!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  25. Well, even werewolves deserve legal counsel, and I don’t think it is fair to assume that because a lawyer is agreeing to represent a client, that they identify with the client or agree with the client or believe the client not to be guilty of whatever it is.

    Frederick (63491b)

  26. Lisa Bloom‏Verified account @LisaBloom Oct 2
    More
    Women standing with women and against slut shaming: OH YEAH.

    mg (31009b)

  27. Well that didn’t paste

    mg (31009b)

  28. 27

    What are you, pro democracy or somethin’?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  29. That’s way too lenient unless they serve at a Federal SUPERMAX hellhole.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/uc-student-who-stole-maga-hat-in-viral-video-could-face-felony-charges.htm

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  30. That’s what democracy means:

    Arbitrary and capricious punishments by the power brokers.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  31. I’ve updated the post with Lisa Bloom’s tweet regarding her stepping down as Weinstein’s adviser:

    I have resigned as an advisory to Mr. Weinstein. My understanding is that Mr. Weinstein and his board are moving toward an agreement.

    Dana (023079)

  32. According to the LAT, Bloom was under pressure to quit. No details about where that pressure was coming from. Further, they are reporting that “Bloom has also stated that she has advised Weinstein in the last year on matters of gender and power relations in the workplace.”

    Apparently, it didn’t take.

    Dana (023079)

  33. Lisa can retire her blue dress

    mg (31009b)

  34. Shut-up. Just shut the f*** up:

    “I’ve known Harvey Weinstein for a long time,” Mr. Trump told reporters before boarding Marine One for a GOP fundraiser in North Carolina. “I’m not at all surprised to see it.”

    Mr. Trump on Saturday was asked how the allegations against Weinstein differ from his own comments made public one year ago in the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape. In that 2005 video, Mr. Trump was caught boasting about grabbing, kissing and trying to have sex with women.

    “That’s locker room. That’s locker room,” Mr. Trump said on Saturday.

    Dana (023079)

  35. Speaking of STFU, I’m talking about the photobombing former late night host: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-unveil-peyton-manning-statue-letterman-shows-up-goodell-gets-booed/

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  36. Somebody on another thread said “When you run out of cash they take you out of the game.” If Harvey was still flush and rolling out the hits this story would still be buried. Because he’d still be paying hush money to an army of Democrats.

    Bang Gunley (5a4596)

  37. For someone who supposed didn’t have to pick his targets:
    archive.is/rynEr#selection-2091.10-2109.246

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. I thought lawyers had a principle that every person is entitled to a lawyer, and being a lawyer for someone didn’t mean approving the actions a person was accuse of doing. Maybe not so? Or is there a feminist exception of some sort?

    It’s not Lisa Boom that’s hypocritical – it’s the entire legal profession that is.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  39. @38. Said The Moron of Jerkoff: “I’ve known Harvey Weinstein for a long time… I’m not at all surprised to see it.”

    Translation: How can I make this about me…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. how the allegations against Weinstein differ from his own comments made public one year ago in the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape.

    The dfference was that Donald Trump was claiming to have done things, but Harvey Weinstein actually did it (and didn’t claim that he did)

    Of course (probably) the Clinton campaign (while leaving no fingerprints and probably doing this whole thing off the books) produced a number of false witneeses against Donald Trump, one of whom was called a liar by Melania Trump – that is Melania denied she met her in the street etc.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  41. There already were eight legal cases filed against Weinstein. (And settled, on condition of secrecy.)

    That’s a bad thing that should be made invalid and declared to be against the public interest: Settlements, where the defendant pays money and the plaintiff then agrees not to disparage the defendant, and if the plaintiff does, they forfeit the money coming to them. Or there at least has to be a short time limit during which that applies.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  42. 50. They weren’t worried about slave revolts before Haiti.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  43. 45 — Sandy IMO that principle applies to a person facing criminal charges and looking at having their liberty taken away by the state.

    It does not apply to a “scumbag for a human” and his “right” to pay for a high profile mouthpiece to shill for him.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  44. You know what I find hypocritical??

    Someone like Winona Judd who had a soapbox upon which to out Weinstein two decades ago, but instead allowed him to buy her silence with a settlement and non-disclosure clause.

    So, if there was enough money involved she was willing to be quiet about what he did to her, even though she had to have heard stories that he went on doing it for two more decades.

    What price would she have paid to step forward and violated her non-disclosure? Maybe pay back the money? Sheet, I’m betting what he paid her in the mid-90s before she was a star is a fraction of what she makes now, and she wouldn’t miss the money a bit.

    No, she kept quiet because she feared it would hurt her career.

    Fook all those other girls that Harvey is assaulting and maybe raping.

    Now that is hypocritical — especially when you pull the little number she pulled at the Women’s March.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  45. I guess that should have been Ashley Judd — not her sister.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  46. Sammy @ 45. Just saw your comment and shipwreckedcrew’s response. You’re right about Lisa Bloom for the wrong reasons. Lawyers do have rules about taking on a client and then dumping him in a way which harms his interests without a better reason than that it’s making the lawyer look bad to her milieu.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. 55… Dammit, even with Fat Harvey, that was almost sounding hot, but you ruined it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. nk @ 56 — how has she harmed his interests?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  49. Public perception, if nothing else. People draw adverse inferences when a lawyer withdraws from representation even if it’s not during a trial, and in this instance the implication that she decided that he’s guilty of the accusations and that she could not in good conscience (snicker) defend him is strong.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. I would suggest that such “harm” is not the kind of harm recognized in the ethics rules.

    “Harm” is when you attempt to withdraw shortly before trial, or when you withdraw while making derogatory comments about your client.

    I’m not sure she was ever actually “representing” him. She’s not the lawyer who threatened to sue the NYT. She was “advising” him as a PR flack might advise him, based on her familiarity with the subject matter.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  51. perhaps Mr. P be all too hasty when he banned the “whore” word just sayin

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  52. Here’s the Illinois Rule. It’s a little bit stricter than that.

    In her favor, lawyers are held in such disrepute, witness Sammy above, that when they seem to turn against their client it is just as likely to reflect favorably on the client. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  53. “Lisa Bloom, the daughter of Gloria Allred, who is thought to have been born with horns and cloven hooves…”
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/7/2017 @ 11:58 am

    For five generations we’ve been suing the ‘reds.

    Spring-heeled Jack

    Pinandpuller (8377b0)

  54. Weinstein should file a complaint with whatever disciplinary body regulates lawyers in California.
    nk (dbc370) — 10/7/2017 @ 12:09 pm

    SAG or AFTRA.

    Pinandpuller (8377b0)

  55. I wonder if the Weinstein company would dare cancel the Trayvon project now.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 10/7/2017 @ 2:45 pm

    Is that anything like the Laramie Project?

    “I am persuaded by The Book of Matt that we will learn more that is more valuable if we demand the facts, and not a case that is cut to fit a particular agenda… We need a Steve Jimenez to take up the [Trayvon Martin case, to which the book is compared] and devote to it the energy and attention that he devoted to the Shepard murder, to enrich us with the truth.” — Marci A. Hamilton, Justia

    The Book of Matt

    Pinandpuller (8377b0)

  56. Weinstein tried to convince Bloom to get in the shower in case there were listening devices.

    Pinandpuller (8377b0)

  57. To know if she was his lawyer, you also have to specify: For what?

    The answers can be quite odd. If she gave him legal advice upon which he reasonably relied to his detriment (e.g., by signing a badly drafted contract whose ambiguities and errors worked against him), and he thought she was his lawyer, and she had created that impression, or should have dispelled it but didn’t, then for purposes of his legal malpractice lawsuit against her, it may not matter at all that they had no written agreement, nor even that they never discussed in so many words whether he was retaining her and on what terms.

    But assume the same fact pattern, except this time it’s her suing him, trying to collect for unpaid fees she claims to be owed for her legal work on his behalf. No written agreement, no meeting of the minds, may mean she was not his lawyer for purposes of that lawsuit.

    There’s also a distinction between being someone’s “attorney of record” in litigation or other informal adversary proceedings and merely being someone who has given private advice, or who has been an advocate in pre-suit negotiations, for example. If you’re the former, you often need a judge’s permission to get off the hook and out of the case, and sometimes (like on the brink of trial) judges get horsey about that sort of stuff and might deny your motion to withdraw. If you’re the latter, you just say to your client (and if you have a clue, document it in writing): “I quit, I’m no longer your lawyer.”

    Among attorneys-of-record, there’s also a distinction as to who’s the “attorney-in-charge,” and who’s merely co-counsel or perhaps “of counsel.” And sometimes there’s a slightly different distinction between who’s “first chair” or “second chair” or “co-first chair.”

    All that said: I doubt that Lisa Bloom was ever Harvey Weinstein’s lawyer in any of these senses. I think she was his co-star, or perhaps supporting actress.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  58. I suppose we could ask his gardener how often they have to replace those potted plants, use that as an indirect metric ….

    Beldar (fa637a)

  59. Someone like Winona [Ashley] Judd who had a soapbox upon which to out Weinstein two decades ago, but instead allowed him to buy her silence with a settlement and non-disclosure clause.
    shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/7/2017 @ 8:18 pm

    She called it a development deal. Then she developed into a nasty woman. She’s as Kentucky as the Cincinnati Airport.

    Pinandpuller (8377b0)

  60. Among attorneys-of-record, there’s also a distinction as to who’s the “attorney-in-charge,” and who’s merely co-counsel or perhaps “of counsel.” And sometimes there’s a slightly different distinction between who’s “first chair” or “second chair” or “co-first chair.
    Beldar (fa637a) — 10/7/2017 @ 11:39 pm

    Wasn’t it Ollie North’s attorney who asserted he wasn’t a potted plant?

    Pinandpuller (8377b0)

  61. Yes. Brandon Sullivan uttered that immortal line, which I’ve heard more lawyers than I can count quote since when being scolded for making too many or too tenuous objections.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  62. I have no problem with what Trump is saying on North Korea. Bad cop.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  63. I think she was his co-star, or perhaps supporting actress.

    His “beard” for the feminists, trying to convince them he’d make amends in the political arena. Teddy Kennedy used the same ploy, but it worked for him in a way it couldn’t work for Bob Packwood.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  64. “Shill” will also work.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  65. 61- this is the only one I see that even possibly applies:

    Except as stated in paragraph (c), a lawyer may withdraw from representing a client if:
    (1) withdrawal can be accomplished without material adverse effect on the interests of the client;

    IMO, that’s a reference to some actual demonstrable harm, not something abstract like reputational harm.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  66. weinstein needs a robot and a plastic plant

    mg (31009b)

  67. He was also Ted Stevens fatty, twenty some years later, and he really did feel like a potted plant, in the bureau and the us attys conspiracy against him.

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. Fatty, what is the defense against lawfare, again:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/10/take_back_your_brains.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. Funny how that works, but what is that line about wounding a king?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4959716/SNL-stays-SILENT-sexual-abuse-allegations.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. When your son asks why he has to study, show him a picture of Harvey Weinstein and Georgina Chapman.
    When your daughter asks why she has to study, just show her a picture of Harvey Weinstein.

    Original meme.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. narciso @ 79. SNL was going to but Melissa McCarthy was busy on another job.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. What great talent did this meshugenah (I think that’s the right term) possess,
    http://pagesix.com/2017/10/08/new-york-magazine-fumbled-its-own-harvey-weinstein-expose

    Why the reservations when they put coz and ailes not to mention o’reilly on a spit.

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Coz, Ailes and O’Reilly aren’t Democrat bundlers, radical leftists or fundraising money makers. I’m trying to figure out what talent this guy has that’s given hi a net worth over $200 million dollars.

    Is it me or has anyone else noticed the “people’s party” has become the party of the super rich with celebs, sports figures, media types and even some business folks worth tens or hundreds of millions and in cases like Zuckerberg, gates, Bloomberg and Buffett billions?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  74. It’s obvious. Weinstein is part of the tribe. This horsesh!t by some twit on Twitter that it isn’t funny didn’t stop any jokes when O’Reilly offered to bathe the Greek girl with falafel. One of them did a skit with him talking to O’Reilly on the phone and a vibrator being heard on the background.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. I’m trying to figure out what talent this guy has that’s given hi[m] a net worth over $200 million dollars.

    Business talent, Hoagie. Do you need to be a four-star chef to run a four-star restaurant? He puts people with talent to work for him and he gets a percentage of the proceeds of their work. Capitalism, I think they call it.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. So dud Boise do the tom Hogan, then and why didn’t it work now?

    narciso (d1f714)

  77. I understand, nk. It’s just that like most entertainment related business it seems to be highly overpaid for what they actually do. I mean, a good surgeon makes a few million a year but he save s lives. This fat, ugly blob is worth $200 million and destroys them. I guess there’s no accounting for taste.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  78. Did Nostrodamus predict the man-child?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/votevets/status/916762241289957376

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  79. Heh.

    “It’s about as plausible and fact-based as anything else in this week’s dubious tabloids. “The false trumpet concealing madness will cause Byzantium to change its laws,” wrote the ancient prognosticator. “The false trumpet is an obvious reference to America’s president,” Nostradamus analyst Louis Lefrevre tells Globe. Wait a second – the Trump-loving Globe is calling the President a “false trumpet”? Sure, he makes a lot of noise and blows a lot of hot air, but then who is the true trumpet? Hillary? Bernie?

    The ancient writings continue: “The trumpet shakes with great discord. An agreement broken . . .”

    Lefrevre explains: “The broken agreement is Kim’s refusal to stop nuclear testing despite his former promises.” Well, that seems obvious once you explain it.

    So, what comes next?

    “The next war,” says Lefrevre, pointing to this Nostradamus verse: “Pestilences extinguished, the world becomes smaller, for a long time the lands will be inhabited peacefully.” What could be clearer than that? And should I be surprised that a Google search for what the Globe terms “University of Paris expert Louis Lefrevre” turns up zero matches?
    https://boingboing.net/2017/09/20/sexbots-nostradamus-and-donal.html

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  80. Why does he need a lawyer? Does he need a criminal defense attorney? Is there any chance of a criminal prosecution?

    It looks like he hired a woman to do a little public relations for him in the media. Smart move to hire a woman when the story is about his abuse of women.

    AZ Bob (f60c80)

  81. Gloria Allred “accounting for it”-how big the check payable to Bloom was along with getting her crappy Trayvon movie made in one column, with the social cost of whoring oneself out to a complete animal like Weinstein in the other column. And with Weinstein’s money troubles, the check may not have been that big or didn’t clear or never came at all, and the movie was never going to get made anyway. Very rich that again in weighing things, Weinstein is very much admitting these acts bordering on criminal sex abuse and forcible sodomy in New York and California(and still in some instances within the statute of limitations) at least yet is suing the Times for…what? Reporting crimes he is admitting to now? There’s no doubt that what ever you think of the Times, they did not publish this until they were sure Weinstein would have no shot in a libel and slander lawsuit against them.

    Bugg (08921e)

  82. Great that he is citing Jay Z as his moral exemplar. What drew him to such a man-his drug dealing, his shooting his teen brother, his infidelity, his hisotyr of violence, his embrace of loony toon prison nutballs the 5 percenters, or his having a recording career with no singing ability? Heck, even Jay Z is probably distancing himself mostly because he’s scared associating with Weinstein will make a rapper with a criminal past look bad. Or ask him for a loan.

    Bugg (08921e)

  83. Greetings:

    I heard Rachel Dolzeal is looking for work.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  84. It baffles me when the clintons and obamas want to lecture women on voting conservative. Considering all the slutty people these two families seem close with. Mighty perverted, but thats what the left is about. 100%.

    mg (31009b)

  85. Trump would rather deal with his nemesis of competing interests than some dumb American priority…
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354419-trump-on-health-care-block-grants-i-would-rather-focus-on-iran-north

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  86. shipwreckedcrew:

    Harm” is when you attempt to withdraw shortly before trial, or when you withdraw while making derogatory comments about your client.

    So, “harm” is either causing actual trouble simply in filing court briefs, or in speaking or making motions in court – leaving the clieent without lawyer or it’s prejudicing an already picked jury – maybe something less, but without public comment it’s only creating practical difficulties.

    I recall there was a lawyer who withdrew early as O.J. Simpson’s lawyer without making much comment.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  87. Should be called Trump effect.

    “Now there is some evidence of a “reverse Flynn effect”—I.Q. leveling off or declining in some countries. This is based on tests of large numbers of British school children age 11-12 and 13-14 in selected years, of military conscripts in Denmark, Norway and Finland, of students in Estonia, of adults in France and the Netherlands.

    It is hard for me to think of any reason why this would be so in those countries that would not apply in greater measure to the United States.

    Then again, an increase in the ability to generalize and reason abstractly is not necessarily a good thing if it comes at the cost of the ability to notice the particular and the concrete.”
    https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2017/10/03/are-we-still-getting-smarter-maybe-not/#more-77723

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  88. Ben, this post is about Harvey Weinstein, not Donald Trump. I know all you think about is Trump 24/7 but give it a damn rest. Don’t make me block you.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  89. Mattis likes how the Iran deal is going and Tillerson wants to talk to NorKs.

    Thank God Trump was stupid enough to appoint.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  90. Hoagie: I don’t care who blocks themselves..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  91. on – off

    mg (31009b)

  92. 92. AZ Bob (f60c80) — 10/8/2017 @ 7:24 am >blovkquote> It looks like he hired a woman to do a little public relations for him in the media. Smart move to hire a woman when the story is about his abuse of women. It was public relations, and career advice, which included drafting false and misleading statements, but it was also giving advice on and/or negotiating and drafting legal settlements.

    She said she’s withdrawing now that other people seem to be taking care of that.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  93. Re the ethics rules here: There is zero chance, given that Weinstein hasn’t been charged with a crime, isn’t currently being sued, and hasn’t yet sued anyone else, that the termination of a legal relationship between him and Bloom creates any “undue harm” ethical problems. What’s implicated instead, if there was indeed an attorney-client relationship (which for this purpose, everyone including Bloom ought presume to have been the case), is the lawyer’s continuing duties to her former client to keep the client’s confidential information, typically imparted to the lawyer under cloak of attorney-client privilege. By making press statements now, the former lawyer could arguably be raising implications about what she learned from him, during the representation under cloak of privilege, and how inculpatory that information was.

    If she were ethical, she should shut up, period. But of course, that’s a counterfactual premise, and hence nonsense.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  94. To EXAUSPICATE is to do something lucklessly or with little good fortune.

    Usage: ‘Ette Jane D’oh had to go to a holiday dinner with all of her with Trumpet relatives and quickly became exauspicated.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  95. As for why Harvey Weinstein made so much money – I think there are elements of monopoly or oligopoly involved here. A lot of money needs to be raised up front, and contacts )so that the moview wil get distrubution etc) are important.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  96. Many say there are Aliens walking amongst us. What evidence?

    Pence: alien hybrid

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/30/mike-pence-campaign-push-trump-gop-238921

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  97. Where’s them pussyhats? whoa whoa whoa oh
    Where’s them pussyhats? whoa whoa whoa oh whoa
    Pussyhats, pussyhats, Harvey showers
    He’s got the power to break you big
    So go and put on your cute little pink pussyhat
    Pussyhat, pussyhat, you’re so cute
    You and your pussyhat pose
    Where’s them pussyhats? whoa whoa whoa oh
    Where’s them pussyhats? whoa whoa whoa oh oh
    Pussyhat, pussyhat, you’re so willing
    To do his shilling, now, on your knees
    So go and shut up while Fat Harvey tells his lies
    Pussyhat, pussyhat, they love you yes they do
    You and your pussyhat friends
    Where’s them pussyhats? whoa whoa whoa
    Where’s them pussyhats? whoa whoa whoa oh oh
    Pussyhat, pussyhat, it’s delicious
    And if his wishes could all come true
    You’d soon be kissing his 10 karat big diamond ring
    Pussyhat, pussyhat, they love you yes they do
    You and your pussyhat lies (whoa whoa)
    You and your pussyhat pose

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. Was she Weinstein’s attorney or just an “adviser”?

    But Bloom’s decision to break off her association with Weinstein is a big deal.

    Bloom, an attorney and television personality, is nationally known for her women’s rights advocacy. She has represented many victims of sexual harassment and assault, including women who lodged allegations against Bill Cosby and Bill O’Reilly.

    That’s why there was so much curiosity — and mockery — of her decision to work with Weinstein.

    Even Bloom’s mother, the attorney Gloria Allred, came out publicly and said she would have declined the chance to represent Weinstein.

    “But that is not a statement of criticism of my daughter. That is just a statement of whom my law firm is. She has a separate law firm,” Allred said on “CNN Tonight” Friday.

    Allred added: “Weinstein is very fortunate to have her as his lawyer and adviser.”

    During the 48 hours she publicly represented Weinstein, Bloom went to great pains to say that she wasn’t serving as Weinstein’s legal counsel.

    But in TV appearances and on Twitter, she said she was one of his advisers, acting as a sort of counselor about workplace behavior.

    “He has demons that he needs to slay, and I’m working with him on that,” Bloom told CNNMoney’s Richard Quest on Thursday.

    legal adviser, spokesperson, and demon-slaying therapist, too? That’s a full service law firm.

    Entertainers and politicians often use lawyers as their spokesmen. Their status as lawyers can give their statements more validity. (Or it used to. I doubt that is true anymore.) IMO there isn’t such a thing as an attorney who gives legal advice without representing someone.

    DRJ (15874d)

  99. IMO there isn’t such a thing as an attorney who gives legal advice without representing someone.

    Is that your legal opinion?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  100. Who and when did he hire, thinking back i was considering tbe wretchednesd of such Miramax product of dogma,

    narciso (bf7766)

  101. …this post is about Harvey Weinstein, not Donald Trump.

    This post is about Kellogg’s Raisin Bran, not Post Raisin Bran.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. Heh. Good point, Hoagie. Lawyers talk about all sorts of legal things here but, to me, that isn’t advice and it isn’t based on a relationship with a specific person. But not everyone sees it that way, especially laymen. That’s why it’s a good time to say that I am no longer a practicing attorney, and my opinions are just that — opinions.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. The framework and the Rhodes road show were the same kind of travisnockasham, presided over by Wendy sherman
    Miramax got it’s initial start with the secret policemans for amnesty international, which had amusing revamp of the dead parrot sketch.

    narciso (bf7766)

  104. OT: Bob Corker reminds me of John Cornyn. Both seem like nice men, educated, accomplished, well-spoken, and seemingly good family men with good values … but both drive me crazy with their willingness to throw all that out the window to play GOPe politics.

    That’s probably why I (kind of) enjoyed seeing Corker sink to Trump’s level today. Is there anyone Trump can’t corrupt? He seems to have a pathological need to lie and tear people down to his flawed level.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. 111 –
    ouch

    mg (31009b)

  106. DCSCA’s Raisin Bran comment made me think of that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  107. “Mr Presidunce, what did you mean by ‘calm before the storm’?

    “Thank you very much for making it about ME again..”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  108. He is corrupt sic ways from Sunday, he may probably even be indicted for his insidervdeals, Haslam has some other troublesome connections as well.

    narciso (bf7766)

  109. Harvey Weinstein IS the “Bad Fat Lieutenant”

    “… such a beautiful girl like you,
    l could give you a warning.
    You want a warning?
    Well, here’s the warning.
    You do something for me,
    and l’ll do something for you.
    What do you say about that?
    You do something for me,
    and you’ll get the part
    You got a boyfriend?
    -You got a boyfriend?
    -No?
    You don’t?
    l’ll tell you something right now.
    Now listen
    Are you listening to me?
    Show me how you suck a…
    Just turn around.
    Show me how you suck a guy’s ______
    l’m fu*king serious.
    Show me how you suck a guy’s ______
    lt’s the last time l’m going to ask you
    or you won’t get that movie… you hear me?
    Show me how you suck a guy’s _______
    Show me with your mouth.
    Show me with your mouth.
    Come on. Spit that gum out.
    Gimme the gum.
    Gimme the fu*king gum.
    Show me how you suck a guy’s _______
    Come on. Show me. Show me.
    Show me. Open your mouth.
    Open your mouth and show me.
    Show me. Open your mouth.
    Open your mouth. That’s it.
    Show me, like that. Like that.
    Come on, you little fu*k
    Come on, you little fu*k
    Show me. That’s it.
    You close your eyes…”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. LIAR!!!

    “Trump tweets that Corker “begged” for a presidential endorsement for re-election. Trump says he said “no” and then Corker decided not to run. But The Associated Press has reported that Trump and Corker met privately at the White House last month, and Trump urged Corker to run.”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  111. Trump proxies his anger at Mattis over Iran through Corker..coward and liar.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  112. Hard to accept Sanctum Santorum could be right about anything. The U.S. is a violent culture..
    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-santorum-on-gun-control-debate-why-arent-we-going-after-violent-video-games-and-films/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. “We’re a war-like people. Can’t do health insurance but we can bomb the fu>k out of your country”
    https://youtu.be/UaS2bRGS86c

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  114. Jeez mg…weinstein was as bad as Roger Ailes.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  115. #123, who ya gonna believe, the President or the AP? I take it you’re accustomed to swollowin’ swill from Fake News outlets if it supports your hate campaign against the man who crushed Crooked Hillary. Me, I’m goin’ with The Donald.

    ropelight (d782cb)

  116. You’re putting your bet on the swayback nag of prevarication?

    He’s halfway to the glue factory on a road paved with his lies. The only way he could speak a truthhood is by confessing he can’t tell the truth.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  117. Check out Corker’s latest tweet before he deletes it. He’s gonna regret that one for a long time. He can’t run and he can’t hide.

    ropelight (d782cb)

  118. One of Ben’s affiliates. Resist!

    https://youtu.be/UHY3MhUp9DI

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  119. 31. Will Trump get David Duke to primary in Tennessee?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  120. BTW, when doing that always look down the barrel to make sure it’s clear of obstructions. Resist!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  121. Trump inspires the best of us to seek office…

    Eric Prince, Kid Schlock and Ted Nugent!!

    Just imagine adding Duke…huzzahhh..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  122. Patrick, you sure have attracted a lot of lefty trolls.

    It looks like one of them posts about half the comments.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  123. About half would be 22?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  124. 133.31. Will Trump get David Duke to primary in Tennessee?
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/8/2017 @ 10:56 am

    When you make a stupid and infantile comment like that just for the sake of hearing yourself type I wonder if you might be the next nut job in a clock tower with a 30.30 picking off civilians while cursing Trump under your breath.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  125. LOL! “My brokeback mountain poster! My Ma’s….”

    felipe (023cc9)

  126. Ya gotta admit felipe, the dude’s funny. Resist!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  127. Hoagie! Imagine the Trumpenfuhrers rage when he gets the boot. I think your concern for nutbags is biased.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  128. Yep this one is like lazlo without the self awareness.

    narciso (d1f714)

  129. Check out Corker’s latest tweet before he deletes it. He’s gonna regret that one for a long time. He can’t run and he can’t hide.

    He’s a counterpuncher!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  130. It’s on Hollywood!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNMZo31LziM

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. @ DRJ: My standard disclaimer — on my website, on my blog, on comments I leave on the Avvo.com Q&A forum, and elsewhere — begins this way:

    “I’m A lawyer, but not YOUR lawyer….”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  132. #I’mconcernedforBeenBurned

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. When you make a stupid and infantile comment like that just for the sake of hearing yourself type I wonder if you might be the next nut job in a clock tower with a 30.30 picking off civilians while cursing Trump under your breath.

    Just mute him with the script. That’s what I do.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  134. To legitinate the iran deal, after the failure of the framework is the definition of insanity.

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. Another poison dwarf, a little sharper than Perry before the senility took root, but more angry and wallowing in self-destructive hatred. Reminds me of a rabid dog, chained up and howling at his fate, seeking relief, one by one chewing off his own paws

    ropelight (d782cb)

  136. Free lance anarchist expert, who doesn’t know the first rule of fight club, anarchists get crushed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. The only surprise is they didn’t Jacobson who ‘humanized’ frank Lucas,

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/right-wing-tries-to-paint-weinstein-as-democratic-problem.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. @nk:In her favor, lawyers are held in such disrepute, witness Sammy above, that when they seem to turn against their client it is just as likely to reflect favorably on the client.

    I wouldn’t put it like this. I would put it as, lawyers are hired guns. It would be lovely if we had a society that didn’t need them, but we don’t. It’s a fallen world.

    Plenty of lawyers comment here. They do so, as I see it, “off the clock”. If it should turn out that one of them was saying things publicly, on behalf of a client, that was at odds with what they say here I would not hold it against them. I would assume they were “on the clock”.

    Frederick (63491b)

  139. Its more a question of how long bloom has been informally lobbying for him, quid pro quo

    narciso (d1f714)

  140. 119 Two Scoops!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. What would Elwood P. Dowd say?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfXvW2wsuQ

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. “Weinstein – the producer of such hit movies as “Pulp Friction” and “Good Will Cvnting” – is accused of… “

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. Hoagie:

    I wonder if you might be the next nut job in a clock tower with a 30.30 picking off civilians while cursing Trump under your breath.

    I doubt Charles Whitman was cursing a 20-year-old New Yorker named Donald Trump, so what in the world are you talking about?

    DRJ (15874d)

  144. mg’s link at 126 provides a worthwhile read for all, but ASPCA in particular.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  145. DRJ, I didn’t mention Charles Whitman, did I? I don’t know what Whitman was saying under his breath, if anything. I don’t even know what type or caliber of rifle he used. I was painting a nut-case scenario, that’s all. What’s your problem?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  146. TDS!

    ropelight (d782cb)

  147. Apparently a lot of people here have TDS, ropelight.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  148. Clock tower, Hoagie.

    DRJ (15874d)

  149. D’OH!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. Your words, not mine.

    DRJ (15874d)

  151. But it could be you heard someone say it and don’t know where that came from. Ignorance is an excuse in this case. Is that what happened?

    DRJ (15874d)

  152. The similarities are striking.

    DRJ (15874d)

  153. nobody even uses clock towers any more cause the time’s right there on their phone

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. Thanks Drj. Hadn’t seen WP.

    http://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/former-fbi-profiler-vegas-gunman-likely-studied-texas-tower-shooting/65-480575012

    A car salesman who talked with Paddock 2 weeks ago said Paddock was without humor and admitted he was severely depressed.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  155. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277754/

    “O, sweet Saint of San Andreas, hear my prayer.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  156. The NYT could have written a story on Weinstein’s exercise of the progressive droit de gros chocon at any time during the past twenty years. The withdrawal of Bloom and especially Lanny Davis from the pig advisory team indicates the defenestration as being an act pour encourageur les autres (pardon my French) among the bundlers in the entertainment wing of progressive propagandists.

    There’s nothing like seeing a slightly more equal pig laying on the table with an apple in his mouth to assure open check books among the rest of the swine.

    Rick Ballard (ada478)

  157. O ye of little understanding..

    Most California HIV criminalization laws were passed in 1988, with limited medical understanding of HIV and tremendous fear surrounding the disease. Little was known about the virus, there were no effective treatments, and stigmatizing people living with HIV was politically expedient.

    In the years since, societal and medical understanding of HIV/AIDS has greatly improved. There are now effective medications that greatly lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV—treatment that also nearly eliminates the possibility of transmission. In addition, HIV-negative individuals can take similar medications to prevent acquisition of HIV. California law should reflect the current landscape of HIV prevention, care and treatment.

    Current law hurts more than it helps. Research indicates that HIV-specific laws do not influence people’s behaviors or reduce the number of new infections. Criminalization serves only to fuel continued stigma and discrimination against people living with HIV.

    These laws work against public health. They provide an incentive not to know your HIV status because you can only be prosecuted if you know you are HIV-positive. They create mistrust of public health professionals, making people who have tested HIV-positive less likely to cooperate with partner notification, treatment adherence and prevention programs. And they place HIV-negative people in harm’s way by making them believe they can engage in risky behaviors without the risk.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  158. Its more like tasajo, rick, kicking a dead Horse and all.

    What lower order nazgul sill fill the gap. Don corzione, steer, gillam?

    narciso (d1f714)

  159. Mr. Weinstein did a lot of contribution all up in it and his support for independent film-making ushered in a golden age of cinema his legacy is much much more than a contrived basket of bimbo eruptions

    unfortunately his politics have always been stunted and that legacy included crap like Fahrenheit 9/11 and a lot of other hateful and puerile crap (foreshadowing the antics of the NFL pedophile league)

    now at the end of his career it would seem both he and his legacy have shriveled to that of a one-dimensional political slutboy

    he’s a lot like david letterman in the way he lurvs to slurp him up some fascism while diddle-molesting cheap and sleazy hollywood pop tarts

    tale as old as time song as old as rhyme beauty and the beast

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  160. “Current law hurts more than it helps. Research indicates that HIV-specific laws do not influence people’s behaviors or reduce the number of new infections. Criminalization serves only to fuel continued stigma and discrimination against people living with HIV.”

    What a crock.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. I know..huh Haiku?

    Science…..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  162. aidsers don’t put people at risk people put themselves at risk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. #167, DRJ, casting about for a motive and looking for past similarities is a worthy effort. But ask yourself if it was a Hip Hop concert would the motive be in doubt or would the reason for the shooting be as settled as the science supporting global warming? (Not an original observation, but one worth exploring nevertheless.

    ropelight (d782cb)

  164. and they’re putting themselves at risk of a lot more than just aids (cornucopia of disease)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  165. tale as old as time song as old as rhyme beauty and the beast

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  166. Snopes… ye gods

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. Right lie keeping the bath houses, sidnt serve as a vector for the disease, and the same jackalope, silverman, who made that decision, ended up the head of amfar

    narciso (d1f714)

  168. What’s faulkner got to with it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. Hoagie, DRJ’s comment was directed at the troll who compared you to Whitman.

    felipe (023cc9)

  170. So help me understand… you are really contending reducing penalties for HIV-people who knowingly donate blood is a step in the right direction?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  171. What a tool…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  172. OK, disregard my comment. I thought she was quoting a troll, but those were your words, Hoagie. I’ll butt out now.

    felipe (023cc9)

  173. 166.But it could be you heard someone say it and don’t know where that came from. Ignorance is an excuse in this case. Is that what happened?
    DRJ (15874d) — 10/8/2017 @ 12:23 pm

    So is that your back up plan, DRJ? You’ll infer I’m using “ignorance as an excuse” simply because I plucked the words “clock tower” out of thin air to use as a hypothetical. I could have said “gay nightclub” or “black church” or “Mandalay Bay” but I chose clock tower so I’m now ignorant!? What is it exactly about what I said that offends you so deeply you feel the need to insult me about a comment which had nothing to do with you?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  174. We know Whitman had a brain tumor, ropelight, and my feeling is that Paddock was mentally ill but it doesn’t matter what I think. At this point, we don’t know what motivated the Vegas shooter and we certainly don’t know if it had anything to do with politics or Trump. And I don’t think that would change if his target had been a hip hop concert instead of a country music festival. We just don’t know yet.

    DRJ (15874d)

  175. I was giving you an out, Hoagie. How many people know that the 1966 mass shooting was at a clock tower?

    But I guess it is a striking coincidence that you would pick that venue if you didn’t know a mass shooting had occurred at a clock tower and you randomly picked it for your comment. So what was your point?

    DRJ (15874d)

  176. Two things you should carefully say on the internet:

    1) clock tower
    2) cleaning woman.

    felipe (023cc9)

  177. Because you did use the venue of a clock tower and you combined that with a politucally-motivated shooter. Those two things don’t go together to me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  178. I simply don’t understand where your comment is coming from, Hoagie. Charles Whitman shot from a clock tower and had no political motivation. He had a brain tumor.

    This isn’t about offending you. If you see similarities between Whitman and Paddock, that’s fine. So do I, and it’s equally fine if you don’t and see a political motivation. But there wasn’t a political component to the Whitman clock tower shooting, so it doesn’t make sense to me to use that as an example of a Trump-inspired shooting.

    DRJ (15874d)

  179. Nice take in the credits of the movie that were rolling when I turned the TV on…

    “Filmed, against all odds, in the rapidly decaying movie making capitol of the world, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  180. “Hoagie, DRJ’s comment was directed at the troll who compared you to Whitman.”

    What are you saying? Whatever it is seems to make no sense.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  181. The kernel awash in confidence sneers at science…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  182. Steve Wynn describes Paddock as a rational man with an irrational plan. That resonated with me because many years ago I was appointed to represent a person the court thought might be mentally ill. I spent a lot of time with my client and doctors for my client, and what I learned is that some mentally ill people can act perfectly normal. They can process information like a normal person and do normal things.

    But where they are different is in their initial premise. They can start with an incorrect premise — such as thinking they need to avenge a perceived “wrong” that didn’t happen — and they build on that premise in an entirely normal way. The ability to act normal makes it harder to identify and stop them because they aren’t raving mad … and in fact can be very calm and competent.

    DRJ (15874d)

  183. DRJ

    Goes to show, if the security measures were extant, that you can’t stop a determined perp.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  184. Here is a sermon (click the audio file) that connects us all to Paddock.

    felipe (023cc9)

  185. Frederick @152. I am a lawyer, and I love lawyer jokes … when I’m the one making them.

    nk (dbc370)

  186. Paddocks life seemed empty. No kids, friends..family remote and detached.

    He was reportedly depressed but does not seem to have used anti- depressants.

    Several reports of ‘unfriendly.

    Unsatisfied with wealth and it’s trappings, video poker was a zero-sum game for him.

    The only motive remotely understandable is Fame.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  187. Actually, what it shows is that friends/family/coworkers who know the person is almost always aware of the delusion(s), but they often convince themselves that “he must be okay because he is functioning.” It isn’t about controlling every variable because we have no clue they are delusional, it’s that we think if someone can function every day then very real, serious delusions don’t matter.

    DRJ (15874d)

  188. 204. But who had regular contact with him, the barmaid? Casino employees should be interviewed several times by LE because they are trained to overlook idiosyncratic rollers.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  189. Wynn Spin.

    Damage control. He’s got a business to protect in a resort town facing a horrid PR problem for the immediate future. Can’t have conventions and families cancelling out. Plenty of other places to celebrate New Year’s beside Vegas, eh Stevie? You see everybody gets plenty of towels…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Tn0NXMikI

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  190. Whitman reached out for help. He even told a psychiatrist about his tower shooting fantasy. I think Paddock reached out for help, too, because he had a Valium prescription. But professionals can’t spot these problems alone. Others have to speak up, but there may not be anyone who cared or who knew him well enough to care.

    DRJ (15874d)

  191. The girlfriend and his mother and brothers are all I know, Benjoy burn. The girlfriend seems too submissive to risk reporting a problem, and the family is estranged. But even estranged family can help. The Unabomber was a hermit but ultimately it was his brother who spotted something and turned him in. Not every bad actor can be stopped before they act, unless we want to live in a police state. Sometimes all we can do is find them afterwards.

    DRJ (15874d)

  192. Yeah. I thought the valium was weird. Prescribing valium for depression? Maybe 35 years ago..

    As to awareness and being alert to emotional issues, that’s a slippery slope easily abused.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  193. Autocorrect calls you Benjoy burn!

    DRJ (15874d)

  194. I absolutely agree about that slippery slooe.

    DRJ (15874d)

  195. Slippery slope. I’m a typing klutz today.

    DRJ (15874d)

  196. I’d love to meet a captcha code writer. 🙂

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  197. Autocorrect not captcha or are they heads on the same Hydra?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  198. They do both seem to fall under the category of “Things that Think They are Smarter than Humans.”

    DRJ (15874d)

  199. That is dark magic like windows vista.

    narciso (d1f714)

  200. But is that difficult?

    I looked up one word it gave and it didn’t even exist in the Crossword Dictionary…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  201. I’ve noticed it diesnt like foreign names

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. You are on the right track, though. Mental illness is a big issue in connection with firearms. I’m just very sensitive in my aged circumstances about someone else (even a professional) determining my fitness.

    It’s the easiest thing to game.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  203. Your Lawyer jokes happen to be funny, nk.

    mg (31009b)

  204. @221. Ka-ching! And the cost to taxpayers was… $200,000 for starters.

    And Trump is taking credit for it; tweets he told Veep to flee if players took knee.

    How much did Mike Pence’s NFL walkout cost taxpayers? – MarketWatch

    http:// http://www.marketwatch.com › Economy & Politics

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  205. 208. DRJ (15874d) — 10/8/2017 @ 2:53 pm

    The Unabomber was a hermit but ultimately it was his brother who spotted something

    he didn’t spot anything on his own, and he didn’t suspect.

    The Unabomber wrote amanifesto and sort of demanded it be published. People said they shouldn’t give in to this but others said somebody could recognize the writing. It was published by the New York Times and the Washington Post and this is exactly what happened. His brother David Kaczynski recognized that that stuff sounded like it came from him. He didn’t necessarily think he was the bomber – he could have been someone who wrote it for some other people. He also thought he turned him in on condition his brother did not get the death penalty, but that promise, if made, was broken – however Ted Kaczynski pleaded guilty.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/19/us/times-and-the-washington-post-grant-mail-bomber-s-demand.html?pagewanted=all

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-publishing-a-35000-word-manifesto-led-to-the-unabomber/2015/09/18/e55229e0-5cac-11e5-9757-e49273f05f65_story.html?utm_term=.07eab0dbed61

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwiYmtT5S70

    So, for David Kaczynski to know something his brother first had to leave a clue. In spite if this recedent I am not sure authrities are anxious to publish the writings of (amomymous) killers – but they should. Most people are not going to be converted, but someone might identify who it is. Or make other deductionss. They really should publicize the writings of ISIS and al Qaeda more.

    But I agree people can know. And what I have propsoed that every time somebody buys a firearm, 10 people get notified, at least 3 of whom must be of the opposite sex.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  206. The thought his brother might be the Unabomber crossed the mind of David Kacynski’s wife, before the manifesto, at the point where the manifesto had not yet been published, but had been described:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201601/my-brother-the-unabomber

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  207. Yes, Sammy, the family read the manifesto and recognized it as similar to the brother/brother-in-law’s. They spotted something and turned him in, which is why they received a $1M reward (that they reportedly gave to the victims). My point was that no one else made the connection, and that’s why it often falls to the close friends and family to do something.

    DRJ (15874d)

  208. @117. He needs attention, DRJ.

    He’s had a lousy week; Mother Nature stole his spotlight; then towel tosses and Vegas losses. So a ‘wait and see’ tease, a few trashy tweets, a ‘Statue of Liberty’ play by his Veep and voila, it’s “all about me” again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  209. Corner, yes he doesn’t like his precious taken away from him,,he was counting on the Christmas card from Boeing this uear.

    narciso (d1f714)


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