What The NYT Tried To Hide From You About A Democrat’s Bribery Trial, And How The Internet Stopped Them
Last night there was an outcry on social media after the New York Times published an article titled Menendez Trial Set to Begin With Tensions High and Washington Watching. The article is about the first United States Senator to be tried for bribery in 36 years. Here’s how the opening of the article read when I saw it last night:
The senator paused in a corridor of the federal courthouse here last month to oblige a beckoning courtroom sketch artist.
The artist spun around her canvas and Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey looked briefly at her sketch of the courtroom, the sharp royal blues of his suit and broad charcoals of his outline a familiar form to the former lawyer, but his place in the painting a jarring shift: the defendant’s chair. His smile mixed with a grimace before he disappeared through the double wooden doors to the courtroom.
The moment underscored the unusual predicament facing Mr. Menendez, a senior senator: For the first time in 36 years, a sitting United States Senator is facing a federal bribery trial, one that comes as a bitterly divided Congress reconvenes amid the unrelenting turbulence of the Trump administration.
Since his indictment more than two years ago, Mr. Menendez has steadfastly proclaimed his innocence, and last week, he reiterated that. “I am going to be exonerated,” he said in a brief interview on Wednesday with reporters following a rally protesting President Trump’s immigration policies.
See anything missing?
What party is he from?
You could read the whole story last night, and you would see no mention of Menendez’s party.
Not one.
Gabriel Malor commented:
After years of the same criticism (why omit mention of a politician's party in a detailed bio), we must assume the omission is intentional. https://t.co/tDPdmoTPoN
— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) September 4, 2017
I agree with Gabriel Malor. Conservatives have been noting for years that there is a systemic failure on the part of Big Media to name the party of Democrats charged with corruption. (And, by the way, they tend to be Democrats, don’t they? Remember Alcee Hastings? Remember William Jefferson? Remember John Murtha?)
In 2014, I noted an AP story that noted corruption charges or convictions for Charlotte Mayor Patrick Cannon; former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin; former Trenton, N.J., Mayor Tony Mack; former San Diego Mayor Bob Filner; former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick; and former Birmingham, Ala., Mayor Larry Langford. All were Democrats. The story did not mention the political party of any of them.
This was a quite deliberate omission on the part of reporter Nick Corsaniti.
Anyway, a few people noticed this last night. And they pointed it out. The Daily Caller wrote about it, and Kellyanne Conway tweeted out their post:
In 1300-word story, NYT Fails To Mention Federal Criminal Defendant Bob Menendez Is A Democrat. https://t.co/SkpUr5lEh1
— Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) September 5, 2017
And guess what? The New York Times fixed it. According to the site NewsDiffs.com, which tracks changes in New York Times articles, the words “a Democrat” were added after Menendez’s name at 10:32 pm EDT last night. That’s more than eight hours after the previous revision, and nine and one-half hours after the original story was published.
They were forced to do this, and they did. In the old days, they would have laughed behind their hand and gotten away with it.
Now, they get called on it.
P.S. A bunch of smug, clueless leftist reporters are making fun of Conway for supposedly overlooking the words “a Democrat” added to the story late last night. As I just showed you, however, she overlooked nothing. The words were added to the story after her tweet. Not that these News Geniuses were able to figure that out. The offenders include David Wright at CNN, Jake Sherman at POLITICO, Dan Merica at CNN, and Joan Walsh. In case any of these people try to whisk away the evidence, Alex Griswold has collected screenshots in this tweet.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
Should Mr. Menendez, a Democrat, be found guilty and removed from the Senate, his replacement would be appointed by the sitting governor. NYT, 08.23, emphasis added
If Mr. Menendez, a Democrat, is convicted and then expelled from the United States Senate by early January, his replacement would be picked by Gov. Chris Christie, the Republican governor of New Jersey and an ally of President Trump. NYT, 08.17 [Para. 2], emphasis added
Speaking Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” program, the Republican governor said the 63-year-old New Jersey Democrat should have an impartial trial before a jury of his peers. NYT, 08.30 [AP story, Para. 2] , emphasis added
Um hum. I’m suitably outraged, too. Yep. Out-fricking-raged. Indeedy-deedy-doo. Again, not a helluvalot of “there” there. To say the least.
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:22 amincreasingly it takes a village of fake news propaganda sluts to write the fake news made to order
so it seems fitting it also takes a village to debunk it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:26 amNo mention of Democrat maybe because he failed to take the name of his genuine ideology. Manchin and Lieberman didn’t live up to that ‘infamy’ either.
Ben burn (7e5fb8) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:27 amThank you for this post, Patterico, and especially for naming names of the jerkoffs who accused Conway falsely and without bothering to check. If I were a search optimization genius, I’d figure some way to make this link show up on the first page of search results on each of those names.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:41 amQ!, that is the most pathetic defense I’ve seen this week.
Those other stories all mentioned Menendez’ first name, too. Would that be a good reason to omit it from all future stories, on the assumption that everyone reads and remembers and appreciates every single word in every NYT story, such that it can omit vital information necessary for context?
Pathetic, near boot-licking levels. You’re going to have to up your game if you want to compete in the troll competition on this blog, dude.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:43 amThe Daily Caller has some Gall chastising “The Gray Lady” for not mentioning that the mendacious Menendez is a Democrat when in fact TDC did the exact same thing in their 9/1 article:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/01/judge-rejects-menendezs-request-to-delay-his-corruption-trial-because-hes-a-senator/
jon halsey (1f246b) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:48 amdoes the Daily Caller fancy itself to be the “paper of record” no it doesn’t
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:58 am@5 Be outraged, my dear Bel. You’re welcome to it. I know alot of attorneys that project that, and sometimes it’s even convincing.
And by the bye, dear, I suspect that the vast majority of people who might be interested in the story, already know that Melendez is a Dem. I mean, apart from “the reveal” in the referenced stories in the NYT, this is a “NYC regional” story. And Melendez is one of two senators from New Jersey. New Jersey is right next door to New York. You can google it.
But, by all means, show high dudgeon and raise your triumphant banner of victory and righteousness.
What an absurdly ridiculous exercise and posturing.
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:03 am“What an absurdly ridiculous exercise and posturing”
Let them have the pyrrhic victory on political identity. It’s almost Halloween. Wal-Mart told me with Xmas decorations.
Ben burn (7e5fb8) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:18 amAnd by the bye (on the issue of accuracy vel non, etc.)–
OP 1: P.S. A bunch of smug, clueless leftist reporters are making fun of Conway for supposedly overlooking the words “a Democrat” added to the story late last night. As I just showed you, however, she overlooked nothing. The words were added to the story after her tweet.
OP 2 [three paras. before “OP 1”]: … in New York Times articles, the words “a Democrat” were added after Menendez’s name at 10:32 pm EDT last night [Sept 4].
OP 3: [slightly before, still]: Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) September 5, 2017
So pardon me if I’m being particularly dense this afternoon, but on my PC, the Conway quote shows up as having issued on September 5, at 6:47 a.m. While the NYT “addition” occurred 8 hours earlier on Sept. 4. That being so, I do not understand how the OP can possibly be accurate when it states that she overlooked nothing. The words were added to the story after her tweet. In my dialect of English, “after” means “subsequent to” in contexts such as this.
Again, apologies if I’m missing something. And if I am, I blame it on lack of caffeine.
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:31 amYou follow up your pathetic defense with one that is even more pathetic. Nice going! It is clear that you’ve missed the point about this post.
In any story about an elected official, the people who would care most about the story would be the people he represents. That would apply to both Democrats and Republicans. But whenever there is an adverse story about a Republican, The Times is sure to mention his party affiliation, often in the first paragraph. So, why would The Times not mention the party affiliation about a Democrat on trial for bribery?
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:32 amThe tone of the story identifies with his struggle:
“His smile mixed with a grimace….”
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:47 amWhen they went after Ted Stevens, with a bogus indictment and a deeply compromised witness, who himself had a house of cards type twist with his bureau handler, well cricketd
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:52 am@1./@8./@9. Q! & Ben:
Man bites dog; nuts chase squirrel.
BTW, Tammy Faye Conway, has the NYT omitted talk of Russia deals today?
“Day ain’t over yet.” – Curly Washburn [Jack Palance] ‘City Slickers’ 1991
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:54 amRemind me disco duck, did anyone care when Harrison Williams missed votes.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:56 amThe issue, Q~ — I’m not going to give you an exclamation point anymore, I don’t think, because you haven’t earned that — is not how many people know who Menendez is or already know that he’s a Democrat. Public opinion surveys do regularly and reliably confirm that huge numbers of people can’t name both of their own state’s U.S. Senators, much less their party affiliation, but put that aside.
The issue is reflexive, deliberate, and pernicious bias in news reporting. The New York Times should know, and in fact its reporters do know, that Menendez is a Democrat, and yet they decided to omit that when writing this story.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:56 amThe flaccid flack increases as one is over the target…
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:59 ampencils lost their points
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:02 amDem coyotes howl in pain
mince dance eludes them
“Again, apologies if I’m missing something.” You’re missing everything, and I think you’re being as disingenuous in this apology as the NYT is in omitting the party affiliation. The NYT has a regular pattern established over decades, but you’re certainly doing a good job of establishing such a pattern yourself.
You fault Conway for not going online before speaking to the public to make sure that the NYT hadn’t made a correction. Okay, what’s her grace period before you’ll excuse her from her failure to ensure that the NYT hadn’t already corrected itself? Ten minutes? Ten seconds?
How about holding the NYT to minimal standards of journalistic integrity instead? How about expecting them to include a short parenthetical like “(D-NJ)” or “(R-TX)” every time they first reference a U.S. Senator, as was done back in the days when the NYT and other journalists seemed to have, or at least more convincingly pretended to have, journalistic efforts? That’s just six characters, only 16% of a Tweet, for Pete’s sake, in a medium subject to no such arbitrary space limitations.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:03 amBy the way, this was a despicable “stealth edit,” instead of an acknowledged omission and the apology that sometimes accompanies corrections, and that in this case certainly ought to.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:05 amAnd of course, in the “on dead trees” version of the NYT — the greatest abuse of wood pulp in the 21st Century — no correction can be made. For every copy of the NYT printed with this article, Ms. Conway’s observation remains emphatically, unquestionably true.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:09 amQuimby!!!
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:10 amErrata #19: That ought have read, “… as was done back in the days when the NYT and other journalists seemed to have, or at least more convincingly pretended to have, journalistic ethics?”
Apparently my subconscious rebels at typing the acronym “NYT” and the phrase “journalistic ethics” in the same sentence.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:12 am@ jon halsey, who wrote (#6):
The Sep. 1 article you reference is indeed guilty of sloppy journalism, and ought to have referenced party affiliation in its first reference.
When the Daily Caller makes this same error in a one-sided manner even one-tenth as often as the NYT, we can begin to wonder whether it’s an unintentional shortfall in journalistic competence or a despicable exercise of political bias contrary to journalistic ethics. I encourage you to keep score over the next few years and get back to us when you’ve got enough data to discern trends from which motivations may fairly be inferred.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:19 am@16 The New York Times should know, and in fact its reporters do know, that Menendez is a Democrat, and yet they decided to omit that when writing this story[2d bold = emphasis added]
Oh Beldar, Thou Valient Truth-Seeker and Knower of Intentions Small and Large, Hidden and Humongous, thou hast convinced me not with thy finely crafted argument and proofs precise and pointed.
I grant that from “good journalistic” standards, the story should have included “Democrat”, but I see no evidence that this omission was anything but somewhat careless writing/editing. Of course Corasaniti knows Melendez is a Dem – as his Aug. 23 article shows (which I have also pointed out earlier.)
I have no reason to believe that the omission was anything but carelessness, and pretty inconsequential at that.
If you want to make a big deal about something – what about your post at @4?:
Are you a jerkoff, too, for failing to check / appreciate that Conway was not in fact falsely accused, as Mr. P recounted/declaimed in the OP’s final para.?
Or are you a jerkoff simply for not fessing up to having made an error?
Human beings err frequently – and as far as I can tell you no less than others, though your lack of self-accountability/-respect may be more pronounced than most.
And your post @19 (in part)
You fault Conway for not going online before speaking to the public to make sure that the NYT hadn’t made a correction. Okay, what’s her grace period before you’ll excuse her from her failure to ensure that the NYT hadn’t already corrected itself? Ten minutes? Ten seconds?
You simply can’t be serious, or if you are, you can’t be taken seriously. Obviously Conway did not check at all before she tweeted. God, man, the “corrected” version was up for 8 (eight) hours prior to her tweet! And you talk of Ten minutes? Ten seconds?
How absurd. How fact free (but happily so, I wager!) you run your life (or at least your mouth).
That said. Cheers. I grow bored (but, surely – continue thither and yon, as thou wilst, Brave Knight; as thou wilst).
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:26 amNot in the entire story?
It’s been in oth4r stories, I think, because the timing of a verdict can affect the political balance in the Senate.
If Menendez is convicted, or enters into a plea bargain and resigns, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie gets to appoint a replacement (who will undoubtably be some kind of Republican) for the remainder of this Congress. If he leaves after January 17, the new Governor, almost certainly a Democrat, will appoint his replacement.
Previous New York Times articles that did mention his party:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/nyregion/senator-robert-menendez-trial.html
And this one is by Nick Corasaniti:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/nyregion/robert-menendez-trial-senate-votes.html
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:29 amSo none of those reporters named are smart enough to read a timeline. They are in excellent company, Rachel Maddow can’t do it either.
Bang Gunley (5a4596) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:30 am26, let’s see if Christie can avoid the Blagojevich temptation
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:36 amMenendez is guilty it’s so obvious
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:52 amThe New York Daily News was just sold yesterday. It’s been owned by Mortimer Zuckerman since 1993 and at times has been very highly partisan, or maybe just pro-Clinton or pro-Democratc talking points. Mortimer Zuckerman has been trying to sell it for a year.
It was bought by Tronc, formerly Tribune Publishing (the name stands for TRibune ONline Content) They claim they have a “pixels to Pulitzers” strategy. But one thing, why is a Pulitzer Prize worth money? That sounds like a business strategy that might last for about a year. It might be something somebody wants for status, but it’s not a financial inducement.
The new publishers also bought the Los Angeles Times, and they’ve collected abunch of other newspapers too. Maybe they want local content and they think they can sell reports.
The New York Daily News used to be owned by the Chicago Tribune and had extremely conservative editorials until the day after Nixon resigned. Then it got more mainstream.
It was sold after the Tribune Companmy tried to break a newspaper strike (in 1991) to Robert Maxwell. He probably committed suicide because of financial problems which involved in part fraud. I
In 1993, Abe Hirschfeld was involved in the attempted takeover of the New York Post and as for why, he gave an explanation that when you die owning the New York Post you become God, and I wrote a joke, that Hirchfield dies and he asks: Why I am being judged? And the punchline is:
Unfortunately, the joke was lost in a crash of the Aardvark BBS, where I had posted it. If anyone has it, I’d appreciate it.
—————————————————————————————————
Anyway, after that the News was in bankruptcy court and was bought by Mort Zuckerman.
The Chicago Tribune company also went bankrupt and publishing was spun off.
The biggest thing the New York Daily News owns is its printing plant but Mort Zuckerman did not want to sell it separately. On WOR 710 Mark Simone said the New York Post is reported to lose 430 million a year but it really doesn’t because he said it also owns a printing plant that orints coupons for Sunday newspapers. But he thought the Daily News was really losing money, and said it has lost circulation..
And I suppose also you can’t distribute coupons very well without newspapers. The NEw York Tiomes doesn’t really go in for coupons, although its Saturday/Sunday edition does have some. They’re more upscale, or think they are. Do they think their readers would have contempt for them, or do the coupon distributors think they are too rich?
Mark Simone also said Zuckerman’s been ill and has been pretty put of things for a while. I don’t know if that’s true.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:56 amIntroducing Ferret, Media for teh Mouseketeers… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371416.php
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:59 am28. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:36 am
Blagojevic was running for re-election, but Christie is heading out of politics. He has extremely low popularity in New Jersey right now, He might apoint himself to the senate, if he s interested. But Democrats probably don’t want to gove him hee oppportunity. If Menendez can hold out or drag things out past january 17, the power of appointment will probably go to Philip D. Murphy. The Lt Gov has nothing to go for her besides being Lt Gov to Christie.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:00 pmLet’s be very precise, Q~, because precision blows your argument to shreds and exposes your troll nature.
Using the NewsDiffs service that Patterico linked to take us back through all previous revisions, it asserts that the earliest version of the NYT story was archived “September 04, 2017 at 1:56pm EDT,” which is consistent with it appearing in the on-dead-trees morning edition of the NYT.
There was different version archived at 4:26pm EDT with only a trivial change, changing a colon after “Mr. Menendez, a senior senator” to a period and capitalizing the first word of the resulting new sentence.
A new version of the story was archived at 10:32pm EDT, in which the phrase “a Democrat” was inserted between commas as a contextual aside. That’s the version which Patterico linked and discusses.
The DC article has a time indicator of 10:28pm. If we assume that to be EDT as well, then that article appeared four minutes before the new version with the party identification was archived by NewsDiffs. That is consistent with the Daily Caller’s article, i.e., the article would make no sense whatsoever, and the quotes would be wildly inaccurate, if the NYT had already made the stealth edit before the DC published.
Ms. Conway’s tweet was this morning, September 5. At worst, then, all that she may be faulted for is failing to independently verify that at the time she tweeted, the online version of the NYT hadn’t been stealthily corrected since the DC article was published the previous night. In other words, she appears to have taken the DC article at face value. Another possibility is that she did double-check the DC article, but against an on-dead-trees copy of the NYT; but since she linked the DC article, it’s reasonable to presume that she had handy the online link to the NYT that it contained.
Regardless, Conway tweeted this morning to link a story from the Daily Caller that was true and accurate when the DC article published. Do you dispute that? Please answer this “yes or no” question directly if you ever expect me to take you seriously enough to engage you in discussion here again.
Stealth editing — a correction made without acknowledgement of the original error, much less an apology for it — is a technique also regularly employed by the NYT, the WaPo, the AP, and most other mainstream media outlets. It certainly has the primary effect of hiding mistakes, but it has a secondary effect of leading trolls and jerkoffs like the ones Patterico named into making factual assertions that are incorrect.
You have no such excuse. Patterico gave you the tools and information that you could have used to be precise, instead of repeating, and then doubling down, and then tripling down, on the error that the trolls and jerkoffs Patterico listed had already made.
This makes me think relatively less well of you than them, but you, we know, read the comments of this blog, and therefore it’s only you from whom we might expect an acknowledgement of your errors. May we have it, or are you going to sink further into mock Olde English to try to change the subject?
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:13 pmOne clarification: I haven’t checked, nor do I intend to check, what the on-dead-trees version or versions of this NYT article read. Rather, I’ve been assuming that the unedited version was in today’s on-dead-trees NYT. Perhaps someone who actually pays for, or has easy access to a free copy, can confirm that for us.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:22 pmBeldar speaks with great authority and condescension with his judgemental tone of superiority. Is he an Evangelical?
Ben burn (7e5fb8) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:22 pmSimpler explanation: everybody knows that any senator from New Jersey is a Democrat.
The last Republican elected senator from New Jersey left office in 1979…
Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:22 pmThe words “a Democrat” are included in the article on page A10 of the print edition of the New York Times I got this morning.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:31 pmAfter taht, there was an appointed Republican United States Senator from New Jersey for awhile: Nick Brady.
Wikipedia:
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:34 pmIn fact there have since been two appointed Republicans (the other was Jeffrey Chiesa), who each served for several months until another Democrat was duly elected to fill the respective vacancies. That’s why I said “elected”…
Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:44 pm“After taht, there was an appointed Republican United States Senator from New Jersey for awhile: Nick Brady.”
This was just before Brady accepted his position at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow.
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:47 pm@35. Nah, just a Cruz supporter. Same difference. Ben, we may gather Beldar does not subscribe to the New York Times. But he’s clean. Perhaps over-caffeinated, today. Or just has a lot of time on his hands what with all that power, water, cable TV and internet up and running to play with; not much else going on in Houston of late– you can’t believe what that NYT ‘fake news’ has been reporting, anyway. Or perhaps there’s just a wiff of miff as Irma bumps Harvey below the fold and off the front pages.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:53 pm@33 Beldar, my Sweet Prince. You bore me to my very soles, but I am weak. Wherefore –
Regardless, Conway tweeted this morning to link a story from the Daily Caller that was true and accurate when the DC article published. Do you dispute that? Please answer this “yes or no” question directly if you ever expect me to take you seriously enough to engage you in discussion here again. Emphasis added.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: I never suggested otherwise. (Nor do I vouch for its accuracy, btb)
Longer answer: While I admit that I got chills and goosebumps at the prospect of you never taking [me] seriously enough to engage you in discussion here again , I can honestly say that that possibility did not influence or prompt any response herein.
Longer answer, yet: Of course, that is irrelevant to any point I made, and irrelevant to the outstanding undisputed fact as to the inaccuracy of the OP’s final para., and irrelevant to the outstanding undisputed fact that you similarly “erred” @4 above, and – in simple modern English – you aren’t man enough to cop to it. Oh Flaccid Knight! Oh Truth’s Own Dubious Paladin!(Chills, I tell you!)
Cheers. (And this time, I mean it . . . but I am so very weak, My Prince . . . )
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:00 pm@41…
“Don’t knock masturbation. It’s sex with someone I love.” — Woody Allen, Annie Hall
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:01 pm@42… 👀
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:03 pmGreetings:
Me, I’m thinking “Do people not laugh up their sleeves anymore ???”.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:04 pmWhoops. Here’s an error for you:
@42 … [me] seriously enough to engage you in discussion here again should read: [me] seriously enough to engage [me] in discussion here again
My most sincere apologies. My Prince. (And others.)
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:06 pmCisco duck is having those Ted striker type flashbacks,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:09 pmClinton interns stole all the D buttons off the NYT’s keyboards.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:40 pmhttp://nypost.com/2017/09/05/tropical-storm-jose-forms-behind-hurricane-irma/
Meh. More fake news.
“You’re on your way, Jose.” – Deke Slayton, NASA astronaut, May 5, 1961
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:49 pmULB
Isn’t The Blagojevich Temptation Dan Brown’s latest smash hit?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:53 pm49, in England or some parts of Latin America, the same people who wrap a topless THOT around a crossword puzzle on page 3 of a tabloid could have really done that NY Post tagline justice.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:56 pmThat’s effing golden, Pin!
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:57 pm52
Wasn’t that Trumps exact words when he window-dressed the WH?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:00 pm39. Details: Jeffrey Scott “Jeff” Chiesa was Attorney General of New Jersey from January 10, 2012 till June 2013 and was sworn in as a Senator on June 10, 2013 for the seat that was vacated by the death of Democratic Senator Frank Lautenberg. He did not run in the special election, which was won by Cory Booker on October 16, 2013. (who since was elected to a 6-year term in 2014)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:27 pm******The New York Times******
nk (9651fb) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:51 pm“All The News That Fits The Narrative”
@ Q~ (#46): Editing errors are easy to forgive, and I certainly make plenty. Being a jerk, less so. However, thanks for your frank admission that “Conway tweeted this morning to link a story from the Daily Caller that was true and accurate when the DC article published.” Every single other word you’ve written on this thread has been a waste of your, my, and everyone’s time, in my opinion.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:54 pmYou see some utility of purpose in our instruction? There must be an explanation for your slumming with the challenged.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:58 pmYou’re the uninvited guest here, Bun burn.
nk (9651fb) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:08 pmWhat r u nk?
The redundant and unnecessary invited guest? (Rhetorical question)
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:12 pmThe aggressive panhandler mentality is a leftist hallmark. Entitlement to someone else’s space, in this case Patterico’s comment threads.
nk (9651fb) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:18 pmConservative to panhandler..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:22 pm“I have change but none to spare “
nk is family… benburned is uninvited party squatter in a 🤡 clownsuit
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:22 pmInbreeding is not a thing you talk about in polite society, pfc.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:24 pmAnyway this TOWN HALL is public, not private, Club members.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:25 pmTurdBurn On The Run (apologies to the Glimmer Twins)Grabbed hold of your coat tail but it come off in my hand,
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:36 pmI reached for your lapel but it weren’t sewn on so grand.
Begged, promised anything if only you would go,
Well, I lost a lot of time readin’ you.
Fell down on my knees and I said a little prayer
But you just kept on typin’ but there just ain’t no there there
Di’mond rings, Vaseline, you give ’em all disease,
Well, we lost a lot of time readin’ you.
Well you mincin’ when you writin’, typin’ in the dark
Tie you hands, tie you feet, throw you to the sharks.
Make you sweat, make you scream, make you wish you’d never been,
Could lose a lot of brain cells readin’ you.
Re #59 above, speaking as a long-time reader & commenter going back to the earliest days of this blog:
nk is my friend, though we’ve never met. We’ve corresponded in the comments of this blog hundreds of times going back many years. I respect him enormously, and I like him enormously, and I take everything he writes here seriously. We agree more often than we disagree, but when we disagree, we do so respectfully. He’s earned that.
I actively look for nk’s comments. I do my best to ignore yours, Ben burn. And you’ve earned that.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:53 pmAlso, re Ben burn’s assertion that “this TOWN HALL is public, not private, Club members.”
This is “public” in the sense that anyone can read these comments, but commenting is definitely a private privilege, not any sort of right, and the privilege exists solely because our host created this blog, maintains it, and pays for the bandwidth needed to keep it online. He can restrict those privileges, deny them altogether, or turn off the key and close the blog at his whim. Instead, he willingly suffers a lot of grief as the price for promoting a vibrant dialog, and while I have far less patience than he does (and never showed one one-hundredth as much when my own blog regularly attracted commenters), I admire him for that. He’s earned that.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 3:58 pmThat was implicit in my comment. But there are no ‘invited’ guests and so the protocols you advertise apply to your own self.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:01 pm@52 ULB
What’s this country coming to when a man can get convicted of lying to the FBI?
I sort of like Blago in that Sean Astin stand-in kind of way.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:01 pmAnd when was the last comment from a reader on your blog?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:01 pmLikewise, Beldar.
nk (9651fb) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:02 pmMea Culpa! (Heh) 8 comments
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2017/09/harvey-will-and-should-affect-future-individual-and-political-decision-making-on-the-gulf-coast-but-.html#comments
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:05 pm56 Beldar, My Beldar … editing errors are easy to forgive, and I certainly make plenty. You place a sad grin on my face, My Prince, but a stone on my heart.
The invited inference is that you (admit you) made only an “editing error”. What that editing mis-step may be, however, I have no clue at all. (Cf., #10, #25, #42)
Assuming that English is your native language, I see clearly now that you are one of those attorneys. Good to know.
Cheers. And Good Night.
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:06 pmWould you OCCUPY a foxhole with nk, beldar?
How good a friend is he?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:07 pm@58 nk
Did you mean Bun-bun?
He is rude to all the other members of the group, shows no concern for their feelings, and has made it clear on numerous occasions that he has no interest in helping them, even when their lives were at risk, unless helping them coincides with some selfish personal interest (greed, or often, revenge, as the individual or group threatening them often does something to annoy him.) He denigrates the other members of the group and exploits his relationships with them for personal gain. Yet, despite his constantly expressed contempt for the others, after every one of his adventures, he always seems to gravitate back to the group—possibly because they are the only people willing to put up with his constant abuse. He has helped them on several occasions, though, as previously noted, he usually stood to gain in some way. The only times when Bun-bun displays actual sympathy and compassion towards others are when he has drunk massive amounts of rum, which he usually does around New Year’s Eve.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:09 pmI guess I can forget about commenting without swift reprisal. I have been duly notified of Beldars relatively impatient cognitive skills.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:11 pmFeelings, nothing more than feelings,
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:15 pmTrying to forget my feelings of love.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
Trying to forget my feelings of love.
Feelings, for all my life I’ll feel it.
I wish I’ve never met you, girl; you’ll never come again.
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
Wo-o-o, feel you again in my arms.
Feelings, feelings like I’ve never lost you
And feelings like I’ve never have you again in my heart.
Feelings, for all my life I’ll feel it.
I wish I’ve never met you, girl; you’ll never come again.
Feelings, feelings like I’ve never lost you
And feelings like I’ve never have you again in my life.
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
Wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms.
Feelings
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
Wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms.
Feelings…
@76. And he’s clean. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:16 pm@74. Misery seeks company.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:17 pmSunuvagun can’t even pick a decent song to rip off…
Colonel Haiku (28a3f0) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:21 pmDC: Are you receiving the El Supremo arrogance of these people on your TV as I am? Intercept has a great piece on NK in the eyes of an escapes.
Apparently the true Cult government shares many perception characteristics of Trumpets. Worth a read for sure.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:26 pmSome new lefty trolls, I see.
They seem to be breaking out all over, like chicken pox.
Mike K (b3dd19) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:27 pmhttps://theintercept.com/2017/09/04/undercover-in-north-korea-all-paths-lead-to-catastrophe/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:27 pmNo Ben is a known quantity like anthrax or hemorrhagic fever, throwing scat whoever.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:34 pmYes Dr. Mike.
felipe (023cc9) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:36 pmYou are generous in your estimation, narciso; I like that about you.
felipe (023cc9) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:37 pmI hereby declare Trumpism…..A Cult of Imagined Personality.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:38 pm@76. Ben, see #33:
“Let’s be very precise, Q~… [wall-o-text] … change the subject? Ah, but the strawberries, that’s, that’s where I had them, they laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the ward room icebox did exist, and I’ve had produced that key if they hadn’t pulled the Caine out of action. I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer… Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory. If I left anything out, why, just ask me specific questions and I’ll be glad to answer them… one by one…”
“No further questions.” – Lt. Barney Greenwald -[Jose Ferrer] ‘The Caine Mutiny’ 1954
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:51 pm88
Don’t you love those Perry Mason moments when the culprit confesses in open court?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:54 pmBen burn, is anyone in your family coherent?
SPQR (a3a747) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:54 pm‘Precise’ as swallowing a camel whilst winnowing out the gnat!
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:56 pmThere was a brother, but they sent him out to grab some groceries and he never made it back.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:57 pmSorry to muck up my words and failing to write to your range. Sorry I use metaphors. Mea culpa. Sorry to challenge your cognitive skills.
Anything else spqr?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 4:59 pmDid anyone (spqr) read the Intercept piece? Is that why you’re flailing at the air in frustration?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:03 pmJim Jones had a cult but the membership was in denial.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:05 pmCaption contest!
“No Senator Franken, you’re supposed to eat it…”
https://mobile.twitter.com/alfranken/status/895019992504250369/photo/1
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:08 pmVery revealing pfc.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:09 pm“I think it’s probably anatomically impossible, Senator, but I got 20 bucks that says you can do it… give it a shot!”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:12 pmShocker, just like Fidel couldn’t stand to be outshown by cienfuegos and pais, Orwell relaters this Stalinist bug in the story of Jones, rutherfird and aaronson:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10739324/Rival-to-Kims-regime-among-200-on-verge-of-being-purged.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:18 pmThe Torygraph is a well- known spook outlet, narciso. This is bs because they don’t have true sources as you know.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:24 pmBurned steps up for NK Whoa Phat. Shocker.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:33 pmThat pure staLinism, in anarchist calf measures, I investigated some of the claims of the lead kin dynAsty apologists, Bruce cummings and I found then incomplete
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:42 pm@ Ben burn (#70): The last comment on my blog was actually from DRJ at 10:37:08 a.m. this morning, as it happens.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:02 pmshe’s so awesome
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:22 pm” A bunch of smug, clueless leftist reporters are making fun of Conway for supposedly overlooking the words “a Democrat” added to the story late last night.
They don’t even care that they’re lying out their backsides. They post KAC’s tweet, show the updated version, claim it’s the original and that she has reading trouble, and laugh all the way to hell.
They really don’t care if she was right, the lie is more important – and social media metastacizes it.
harkin (90be6e) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:27 pmmaking fun of Mrs. Conway right there
that’s disqualifying
i don’t care if you some fancy CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda slut
you still gots to rise above
can i get an AMEN my patterico brothers and sisters
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:30 pmok y’all suck
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:39 pmYou are correct good sir. They don’t care. They are truly shameless. It’s why they use 1984 as a blueprint instead of a warning.
NJRob (7f4bec) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:40 pm@94. Did anyone… read the Intercept piece?
Yes. Enlightening. And frightening; who knew North Korean students had so much in common w/Texas high schoolers: “They didn’t recognize pictures of the Taj Mahal or Egyptian pyramids.”
But look on the bright side: any plans for an ‘oil embargo’ of a militant, aggressive, Far Eastern nation can only work out well for the world in the end…
“Climb Mount Niitaka…” – ‘Tora! Tora! Tora!’, 1970
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:44 pm1984’s a novel where these bitey rats eat everyone’s face
Bret Easton Ellis took it to the next level for sure
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:45 pmi’m really starting to hate this bezos p.o.s.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:48 pm@80 Colonel Haiku
Ben Burn Three
Arrested in Chicago or
Anthony Newley Cover Band?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:55 pmFasting and a ketogenic diet are actually being recognized as ways to treat viral infections and cancer so maybe some commenters should count as empty carbs.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:02 pmIn other news:
https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:04 pmI was actually curious enough about what the on-dead-trees version of the NYT said about this that while running errands this afternoon, I checked five different stores that sell, among other things, newspapers. Not a single one carries the NYT, however.
Someone who actually subscribes to the damned thing could log in and use the “Today’s Paper” link (just below the name at the top) to see a .pdf version of the on-dead-trees versions. Surely some of our progressive commenters subscribe, either online or to the print version and could satisfy our curiosity. It wasn’t distributed in my hometown, but I subscribed to it from roughly 1975, when I started college, through sometime in the mid-1990s, when even the Sunday magazine couldn’t offset my disgust at the rest of the “newspaper.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:11 pmWhy would you ever want to give him the ability to spy in your house 24/7?
What is the possible utility of an Echo that you cannot easily do on your own?
NJRob (7f4bec) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:16 pmHow is this not a story, rhetorical
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/09/05/nation/former-fbi-special-agent-challenges-new-fbi-director-to-investigate-whistleblower-claims-of-management-abuse-at-the-bureau
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:29 pm113… PandP…
Ben Takes 5 with speshul guest ASPCA…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:45 pmAt first I thought the Amazon Echo was competition of the Google Home which to me seems like a glorified Clapper.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:48 pmWhat is the possible utility of an Echo that you cannot easily do on your own?
lol my personal favorite thing is using it as a timer
for cooking and laundry mostly
but my nephew’s having a bad week so i wanted to get him one
i had to get a refurbished because?
amazon is having fulfillment and distribution issues?
in all honesty there’s nothing to spy on here
i ain’t no sleazy jimmy comey with the sub rosa and the secret handshake
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:53 pm@115 For those with reading disabilities, My Prince, I repeat here #37, from . . . many hours back:
The words “a Democrat” are included in the article on page A10 of the print edition of the New York Times I got this morning.
Q! (267694) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:00 pmBeldar
I read the NYT’s today at work but I wrapped it in a Playboy.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:05 pmI think you mean,” Your Grace.”
You forget yourself, sir.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:08 pmThey do see 1984 as a how to guide
https://mobile.twitter.com/commiegirl1/status/905198293482782721?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:10 pm@ pin (#122): That’s kinda funny! Credit where due, sir.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:12 pmThis falls into man biters dog
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:16 pmhttps://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/erik-soderstrom/2017/09/05/nbcs-night-shift-turns-narrative-spotlight-violent-antifa
Brendan Fehr has a work ethic what’s off the charts really
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:22 pmThe guy from riswell, I don’t really follow.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:24 pmhe just hasn’t stopped since
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:25 pmhe’s a regular on your night shift show linked above
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:25 pmI’m growin’ bored with Conservative views
Know where I am
I got nothin’ to lose
I riled up your Rendezvous
I got a Q attitude
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:30 pmI use mine pretty extensively. It manages all the different brands of smart lights in my home (each brand has their own app and interface, but the Echo just processes what I tell it and handles it, letting me light up my home however I want, waking up with light as well).
It’s a great alarm clock and a great audio system. I recall on the Starship Enterprise, they just ask the computer to play whatever music they are thinking of. I can do that without even opening my eyes in bed. I can perform a Wikipedia inquiry about anything I think of, or even just ask the Echo to tell me random facts, do math and conversions, check my investment account balances, pay bills, order a pizza, turn on my window unit in my office (so my wife and I can be at different temperatures).
Just being able to dim the lights for ambience is nice too. I find that I make these changes to the music and lighting much more often than I did when I had to walk around the home to flip switches. As a result, there’s always music playing, the mood in the room is always nice, and I’m just more comfortable.
Glorified Clapper is largely correct. But that doesn’t mean the thing isn’t worth the money, at least to me. The information security concerns are reasonable, but we already carry around phones that listen to us and track our movements.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:33 pm37. 121.
* Correction. Actually the story is on page A15. I don’t know why I typed A10. I had a hard time finding it, but as I guessed, it was with the New York news. It may not appear in any printed edition outside the New York metropolitan area,
Page A10 has a totally different (and bigger) story, about a man arrested in Ferguson, Missouri in 2012, before the reforms, and charged with all kinds of minor offenses related to his car and arguing with a policeman, by a bad cop and his friends, whose case the prosecutor doesn’t seem to want to drop but doesn’t seem to want to prosecute either. (They are probably trying
Sammy Finkelman (035e74) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:33 pmto avoid a lawsuit.)
Beldar
My paternal grandpa was a practical joker. He came across some hardback books of the racy variety. My dad said he tore the covers off and when he would go to parties he would slip one over the spine of a book in his friend’s library.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:34 pm121… dude must be channeling Quentin Crisp…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:42 pmDAE remember back in , say, 1981 when you would look forward to going to Pizza Hut with your parents after church. You would beg your mom from some quarters from her purse. Now was your chance to play some songs on the jukebox.
Hey, guess what? Some jacka$$ just played Jesse’s Girl 20 times in a row and you probably have to wait till next week to play a song you really want to hear.
Jesse’s Girl is a pretty good song. The guy who really liked it probably wasn’t a serial killer or rapist.
It’s a public place. It’s not illegal. But 20 times in a row.
Really?
I’m not even touching on the guy who lined up 20 quarters on Asteroids.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:53 pmThe Clapper lies to congress for you but if you clap too loud it wakes up McCain.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 8:59 pmQ!!!
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/db/e2/c3/dbe2c3acc2bf7ee38b19de8ecd6f3348–quentin-crisp-gay-pride.jpg
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:07 pmMr. Finkelman, I’m sorry I missed your comment at #37, which did indeed anticipate and answer the question I asked at #115.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:09 pmI’m still glad I did my late afternoon survey of my neighborhood newsstands to confirm that none of them bother to carry the NYT anymore, though.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:11 pmstarbucks still has nyt fake news all up in it
plus more than their fair share of trannies
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:15 pmI may have to amend my song choice for the older guys. How about “Too Much Time on My Hands”?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:15 pmEEUyears rick infield WA a , most recently he played the devil on supernatural, well a rock star possede by same.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:20 pmLike this? On the real though, I could see a maximum age amendment for the office of President, considering Trump has had about 4 DACA positions in a 20 hour span.Those damn brain calamities have cost us
urbanleftbehind (3c62b6) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:21 pmYes obit, who probably actually ran bespin, while lando was wheeling and dealing, was an undeveloped character.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:28 pm139. Except I wrote the wrong page.
10:30 pm is definitely before the print deadline. I have the “Laate Edition” but I think they’re all the late edition.
Sammy Finkelman (52e488) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:02 pm145, thats how Pence relative to Trump was envisioned
urbanleftbehind (3c62b6) — 9/6/2017 @ 3:30 amThey throw that undef the bus:
narciso (d1f714) — 9/6/2017 @ 5:39 amhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/06/wired-it-emails-suggest-clinton-aide-stage-managed-benghazi-hearing-questions.html
This always bothers me too, (sorry if someone already mentioned it) emphasis mine:
a sitting United States Senator is facing a federal bribery trial, one that comes as a bitterly divided Congress reconvenes amid the unrelenting turbulence of the Trump administration.
AND
“I am going to be exonerated,” he said in a brief interview on Wednesday with reporters following a rally protesting President Trump’s immigration policies.
They always find a way to get those unrelated digs in there, oh, I mean only when its disparaging the right. Has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.
Dave (df376c) — 9/6/2017 @ 10:03 am